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Started by Bigfish, May 02, 2019, 06:13:50 AM

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rockrat

Quote from: krisandkev on May 16, 2019, 05:46:20 PM
Think about with the new gov (it appears everyone wants them) and their target for elect cars imagine what the value of our petrol/diesel car will be?  I don't think we will get stuff all on a trade in.  >:D  Kevin
Then again they could be a rarity that people pay more for.


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gronk

Quote from: edz on May 16, 2019, 11:39:50 AM

I do Wonder what $$ these renewable energy mobs are going to charge per Kw of power for the putting in / maintaining all these new recharge stations in out of the way areas all over  Australia, given that power is way cheaper than fuel ?? ...
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I'm sure the recharge stations will charge a LOT more than the cost of doing it at home. Although, with all this renewable energy and phasing out of "dirty" power stations, the cost of electricity for the average consumer will probably make us one of the dearest places on earth..
Everything comes at a cost.....is everyone prepared to pay for it ??
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Bird

Quote from: rockratThen again they could be a rarity that people pay more for.

Not if due to not selling any fuel the price rises to $4-5/ltr.
SIMM's metal wouldnt take them.

Then insurance would be more than your house etc.
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#jonesy

Might become garden ornaments like the old carts and buggies.
I see some neighbourhoods are already ahead of the trend
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PWE

Not fully electric, but will be interesting how they handle
I will know from June how they perform in real life

https://www.tembo4x4-elv.com/Technical-Specs
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Pete79

Quote from: PWE on May 19, 2019, 08:13:15 AM
Not fully electric, but will be interesting how they handle
I will know from June how they perform in real life

https://www.tembo4x4-elv.com/Technical-Specs

I'm pretty sure they're the same/similar to the ones BHP are already running underground at their Olympic Dam site.
They're also testing full electric heavy vehicles now with hopes to eliminate all of the toxic diesel fumes in their underground operations. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-29/bhp-biggest-miners-are-starting-to-drive-evs-deep-underground

There's plenty of electric heavy vehicles getting around already.

Right now all of the buses at Brisbane airport today are full electric. That's the whole fleet that is running around between both airports and the big car parking areas. https://newsroom.bne.com.au/new-electric-buses-at-brisbane-airport-a-winwin-for-travellers-and-the-environment/

And Casey council in Victoria has joined the many, many councils in NZ that are running fleets of full electric rubbish trucks.
How nice would that be for all of those people to no longer be woken in the early hours of the morning by a big old dirty diesel truck accelerating and braking every 10 meters up and down their streets. https://thedriven.io/2018/10/04/waste-trucks/

PWE

Correct Pete, Olympic Dam use them. We are getting the minor updates from June.
Fully charge range is only 80km to 160km, so no overlander, but great for the underground mine.
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gronk

Quote from: Pete79 on May 19, 2019, 08:24:38 AM
I'm pretty sure they're the same/similar to the ones BHP are already running underground at their Olympic Dam site.
They're also testing full electric heavy vehicles now with hopes to eliminate all of the toxic diesel fumes in their underground operations. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-29/bhp-biggest-miners-are-starting-to-drive-evs-deep-underground

There's plenty of electric heavy vehicles getting around already.

Right now all of the buses at Brisbane airport today are full electric. That's the whole fleet that is running around between both airports and the big car parking areas. https://newsroom.bne.com.au/new-electric-buses-at-brisbane-airport-a-winwin-for-travellers-and-the-environment/

And Casey council in Victoria has joined the many, many councils in NZ that are running fleets of full electric rubbish trucks.
How nice would that be for all of those people to no longer be woken in the early hours of the morning by a big old dirty diesel truck accelerating and braking every 10 meters up and down their streets. https://thedriven.io/2018/10/04/waste-trucks/

Had big battery powered loaders in underground mines 20yrs ago......they would come in for a battery pod change at least once a shift.....each pod would weigh approx 2 ton....and still remember the spiel from the supplier, a 12 inch shifter , if let fall across the terminals, would take approx 4 seconds to vaporise......so there are some serious amps to deal with.....just another side to the clean, green EV equation..
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Fizzie

Quote from: gronk on May 19, 2019, 08:36:23 AM
and still remember the spiel from the supplier, a 12 inch shifter , if let fall across the terminals, would take approx 4 seconds to vaporise.....

Remember fitting some gear in the back of an Army Land-Rover radio vehicle with 24v power supply, & dropping a shifter, which fell across the battery terminals :-[  ::)

Big flash, shifter thrown several metres away, & about a 5mm chunk of metal blown out of the handle :o

Was "somewhat" ;D more careful after that!
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AdrianLR

Have been following the Rivian for a while. Specs including range and towing are solid.

https://thedriven.io/2019/05/20/rivian-shows-off-camp-kitchen-prototype-powered-by-all-electric-ute/

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edz

Looks like they styled it of  the TGEV1  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCSNCs7bwCw  and morphed it with a series 1 > 3 landrover, Kizz ...                                                   

Guessing sailing ships will have to make a return in a modern form too " Super container / tanker sailors "  Going to need a hell of a lot of cotton or hemp for  sails once fossil fuels get the heave ho  .. New employment prospects for all the out of work oil industry people ..
Not to mention Air travel is going to be a bit reduced to go EV Green..
Wonder what theyre going to use instead of all the dirty petro chemical byproduct plastics in these new glorified green golf buggies ..  Say good bye to a lot of everyday world wide  plastic stuff used ..  better start growing more trees . ;)
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#jonesy

Quote from: kizza1 on May 20, 2019, 10:04:56 PM
Did someone say electric brick
https://bollingermotors.com/

From the site

Will the trucks have airbags?

No, air bags will not be in the final produced trucks. We are engineering the B1 and B2 to safety standards that exceed federal regulation using seat belts.

Wow this new tech is great!!
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Paddler Ed

Quote from: #jonesy on May 21, 2019, 05:23:21 AM
From the site

Will the trucks have airbags?

No, air bags will not be in the final produced trucks. We are engineering the B1 and B2 to safety standards that exceed federal regulation using seat belts.

Wow this new tech is great!!

That's because in America the airbag is used as a Supplementary Restraint System - which is why so many of the early European cars had SRS on their steering wheels or as the dashboard light. IIRC they were also bigger airbags fitted in the models that were sold on the US market as a result - the land of the free didn't make you wear a seatbelt, or if you did, they made it as easy as possible to put one on (see all the stupid looking track systems to help you...)

Fizzie

Quote from: AdrianLR on May 20, 2019, 09:36:18 PM
Have been following the Rivian for a while. Specs including range and towing are solid.

Haven't seen them before at all, but 5 tonnes towing seems a hell of a lot ???

& wading to 1m - what happens if your batteries get wet ??? Will it short them out or are they, & all the cables & so on, sealed  in some way ???
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Fizzie

Quote from: kizza1 on May 20, 2019, 10:04:56 PM
Did someone say electric brick

I'm sure my kids made that out of Lego a while back :D
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#jonesy

Quote from: Paddler Ed on May 21, 2019, 08:24:13 AM
That's because in America the airbag is used as a Supplementary Restraint System - which is why so many of the early European cars had SRS on their steering wheels or as the dashboard light. IIRC they were also bigger airbags fitted in the models that were sold on the US market as a result - the land of the free didn't make you wear a seatbelt, or if you did, they made it as easy as possible to put one on (see all the stupid looking track systems to help you...)
SRS is on all airbags in Aust. The are supplemental to seatbelts, i.e. offer extra protection.
U.S. I believe are programmed to fire at a different rate / bigger to compensate for no seatbelt.

I thought it was odd that they effectively say you don't need airbags if you have a seatbelt on.
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Ozsnowman

Quote from: tryagain on June 04, 2019, 10:22:45 AM
The tesla ute/truck https://interestingengineering.com/tesla-pickup-truck-will-cost-less-than-50k?




Not official render - just a fan job. I guess it will look far different when it is finally revealed
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Robbo

Quote from: edz on June 06, 2019, 12:11:22 PM
Victorian Police go for Tesla EV patrol cars https://www.caradvice.com.au/762581/tesla-model-x-vic-highway-patrol/
As long as you've got a full tank of gas, they will run out of power before you run out of petrol.


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Quote from: Robbo on June 06, 2019, 03:23:54 PM
As long as you've got a full tank of gas, they will run out of power before you run out of petrol.


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Quote from: Robbo on June 06, 2019, 03:23:54 PM
As long as you've got a full tank of gas, they will run out of power before you run out of petrol.


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