Camel Campers bought by MDC

[gronk]

And that there is a big % of the problem.  But you forgot, sick days , parental leave , careers leave and double time on sundays and public hold, oh yeah, you all want public hold, and be paid for them!!


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Took us 50 yrs to get all those "perks".. And a lot of hard work by unions that everyone loves to hate....

China is already dealing with workers who now want more pay and better conditions. Even some companies are leaving China and moving offshore to Bangladesh where the workers and conditions are exactly like they were in China 5 yrs ago..

[oldmate]

Just saying!!


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[tryagain]

All still achievable with appropriate tariffs. Tariffs were removed by back room sweetheart deals and the result of this trend that started with the Button plan is an entire country who no longer is smart enough to build anything.

Kids choices these days, go to uni, or be a barista.

The manufacturing that is easily outsourced is usually low skill/smart, that's the majority of what is lost, the harder stuff to manufacture that actually requires being "smart" is the type that is surviving as it's not easily replicated.

There are plenty of choices for kid's these day's but they should ask themselves how easily a job can be offshored before they start a career, people often bemoan the loss of manufacturing jobs but don't seem to acknowledge the immense growth there has been in the services sector which people are now able to afford as they aren't overpaying for goods due to tariff's.

[grafy82]

And that there is a big % of the problem.  But you forgot, sick days , parental leave , careers leave and double time on sundays and public hold, oh yeah, you all want public hold, and be paid for them!!


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Anyone taken a look at the annual salaries of CEO's of big companies in Australia lately? It's not the average Joe's wages, holidays and penalty rates that are killing Australian businesses, it's the exorbitant pay packets of the big guys at the top, in the millions (sometimes tens of millions) of dollars a year, plus bonuses.

[Bird]

Anyone taken a look at the annual salaries of CEO's of big companies in Australia lately? It's not the average Joe's wages, holidays and penalty rates that are killing Australian businesses, it's the exorbitant pay packets of the big guys at the top, in the millions (sometimes tens of millions) of dollars a year, plus bonuses.

what he said..... even if they **** up they still walk away with more than I'll ever see all added up....

[Bobsan]

All still achievable with appropriate tariffs. Tariffs were removed by back room sweetheart deals and the result of this trend that started with the Button plan is an entire country who no longer is smart enough to build anything.

Kids choices these days, go to uni, or be a barista.

The Button plan was a joke, the company that I worked for in the 1990s cut the time from. 4 minutes to just over 2 minutes in production  for a product effectively making us the 2nd best in the world, we still lost our jobs as we couldn't compete with $3.10c per day labour overseas, just to rub salt into the wound the technology finished up overseas.

[The punter]

The manufacturing that is easily outsourced is usually low skill/smart, that's the majority of what is lost, the harder stuff to manufacture that actually requires being "smart" is the type that is surviving as it's not easily replicated.

There are plenty of choices for kid's these day's but they should ask themselves how easily a job can be offshored before they start a career, people often bemoan the loss of manufacturing jobs but don't seem to acknowledge the immense growth there has been in the services sector which people are now able to afford as they aren't overpaying for goods due to tariff's.

Services sector? As in being an artisanal barista you mean? ;-)

I disagree. I'm a toolmaker by trade, I saw the rot in the 90's and got out, everything was going to India then. China soon followed. The loss of the auto and whitegoods industries has seen a brain drain of a magnitude never seen before. To say that we have only lost the "not smart" skills is ill informed. Generations of knowledge has disappeared from this country in less than 20 years, it's bloody sad.

[McGirr]

Interesting comments.

Our standard of living and population will always be our downfall. We want everything but dont want to pay premium for it.

Smart businesess are surviving while others dont.

We all buy imported products yet always complain when Australian businesses fail. Lets always blame the imported competition not the poorly run Australian business that failed.

Time to get our head out of the sand but some people just cant see the that and never will.

People bought imported light bars from me yet there were better quality ones from Australian business's, but unfortunatly they were 5 times the price.

So a company who imports buys an Australian business, shock horror, its been happening for years. Its called competition. Not happy about, then dont buy from them.

Mark

[glenm64]

Interesting comments.

Our standard of living and population will always be our downfall. We want everything but dont want to pay premium for it.

Smart businesess are surviving while others dont.

We all buy imported products yet always complain when Australian businesses fail. Lets always blame the imported competition not the poorly run Australian business that failed.

Time to get our head out of the sand but some people just cant see the that and never will.

People bought imported light bars from me yet there were better quality ones from Australian business's, but unfortunatly they were 5 times the price.

So a company who imports buys an Australian business, shock horror, its been happening for years. Its called competition. Not happy about, then dont buy from them.

Mark

Nailed it in one.
They wont pull their head out of the sand, but will squeal like a stuck pig when they are affected.

Cheers Glen

[Beepa]

+2 on the warranty question, have sent MDC a message so we shall see soon.

[Mangrovematt]

Wonder how long it takes before we see Kenno, Glenno, and Roothyo scull drag one somewhere ,they will be straight on the front foot promoting now .
Gees can't wait .zzzzzzzzzzzz

[woolgoolgaoffroad]

 

[Beepa]

Ok MDC have said they will NOT honour previous warranty agreements for Camel Campers. I suppose they have enough warranty work on their Chinese Campers. Mandarin Does Camel is not looking good.

[Fizzie]

Kids choices these days, go to uni, or be a barista.

& these days, that's no guarantee of a future highly-paid career either 

Saw some figures a little while back that something like 70% of graduates get a job NOT in their field of study, so the $10s of 000s uni expenses they've paid / in debt are totally wasted.

[SimpleSi]

Ok MDC have said they will NOT honour previous warranty agreements for Camel Campers.

Bugger.  How do we find out if they are actually obliged to honour the warranty or not?  Sorry to drag the topic off grease exports and petrol refineries....

[Bird]

We all buy imported products yet always complain when Australian businesses fail.

bit hard to buy local (I wont say Australian Made) when nearly nothing is made here anymore....
The future for our kids isn't in this country sadly.

[Joff]

It's not all about manufacturing costs and being economical. Germany has increased its manufacturing exports and is competing well against low cost Asian and Chinese businesses. Germany is a highly regulated, high-wage country with a strong currency but an increasing share of the global market. But they're mostly niche businesses that avoid mass markets. They're rarely the cheapest manufacturer and  yet over 1000 German manufacturers hold the number one or two spots in their world markets or number one position in the European market. Its based on superior quality product offerings.

That is exactly the point.

[tryagain]

Services sector? As in being an artisanal barista you mean? ;-)

This article expands a bit on what the services sector is, and the demise of manufacturing, I think the narrative that it is ALL dead is overblown but I think he is mainly referring to the low-tech aspect of manufacturing. There are high-tech manufacturers like Cochlear Limited, for example, who make the bionic ear and Thales Australia who manufactures amongst other things the Bushmaster troop carrier that are doing well and I think that is where our manufacturing future is.

[Beepa]

Bugger.  How do we find out if they are actually obliged to honour the warranty or not?  Sorry to drag the topic off grease exports and petrol refineries....

After previously asking Fair Trading to look into Camel and it's warranty, MDC are not responsible for any previous warranty claim, if they did honour any previous warranty it would be of good faith more than any legal responsibility. So the "Manufacturing Defective Camel" company wins again.

[Paddler Ed]

It's not all about manufacturing costs and being economical. Germany has increased its manufacturing exports and is competing well against low cost Asian and Chinese businesses. Germany is a highly regulated, high-wage country with a strong currency but an increasing share of the global market. But they're mostly niche businesses that avoid mass markets. They're rarely the cheapest manufacturer and  yet over 1000 German manufacturers hold the number one or two spots in their world markets or number one position in the European market. Its based on superior quality product offerings.

Germany doesn't have the same strong currency that it did have when it had the Mark - the Euro is kept a bit low by the less well performing economies, and as such Germany gets a bit of an easier ride resulting from it, so from the point of view of exports to the UK, USA, and other non-Euro countries they're doing pretty well on the back of it.

Add in the strength of the STEM education and apprentice schemes, and that goes a long way to building a strong national economy.

And the last one is how many manufacturing companies based there are German owned... Yes, Ford and GMH made things here, but they were American owned....

This article expands a bit on what the services sector is, and the demise of manufacturing, I think the narrative that it is ALL dead is overblown but I think he is mainly referring to the low-tech aspect of manufacturing. There are high-tech manufacturers like Cochlear Limited, for example, who make the bionic ear and Thales Australia who manufactures amongst other things the Bushmaster troop carrier that are doing well and I think that is where our manufacturing future is.

Have a read of Dutch Disease - the mining and resources boom was probably the worst thing that happened to the Australian economy, especially when you look at how bad the rate has been for the LNG royalties... Dutch Disease refers to when currencies go up based on exports of natural resources, which makes imports cheaper, and therefore kills off the manufacturing industry...

Now, what were we talking about?

[tk421]

Germany doesn't have the same strong currency that it did have when it had the Mark - the Euro is kept a bit low by the less well performing economies, and as such Germany gets a bit of an easier ride resulting from it, so from the point of view of exports to the UK, USA, and other non-Euro countries they're doing pretty well on the back of it.

Add in the strength of the STEM education and apprentice schemes, and that goes a long way to building a strong national economy.

The Fraunhofer Society, a network of government-backed research institutes, also helps immensely by providing high-quality, short-term, affordable applied research that small and medium-size firms could not otherwise afford. This enables the small manufacturers to keep ahead of the competition.  The government provides 2/3 of its annual budget of about $2.75 billion.  So it is an example of government supporting manufacturing industry something that is lacking to an extent here. Its a better use of funds than the subsidies they paid to the car makers to produce poor quality cars, that no one wanted.

The majority of German firms are SME's or Mittelstand - which are usually family owned or have a family like corporate structure, and are generally less than 500 employees, which account for  which account for 99% of German firms (revenue below 50 million EUR).

"Most Mittelstand companies are privately held, often under 3rd–5th family generation ownership and control" - https://static1.squarespace.com/static/548ac75ce4b0a10ad41f38e7/t/55edaa22e4b03d3d6e78da4c/1441638946906/MITWMF_Folder_Venohr_Website.pdf

Now, we were talking about camels in the desert weren't we?

[tryagain]

Have a read of Dutch Disease - the mining and resources boom was probably the worst thing that happened to the Australian economy, especially when you look at how bad the rate has been for the LNG royalties... Dutch Disease refers to when currencies go up based on exports of natural resources, which makes imports cheaper, and therefore kills off the manufacturing industry...

Yes I have, but I think while the mining boom had it's negatives especially for manufacturing the fact that prior to it as a country we were running deficits and in debt and then it allowed us to pay off the debt and put some away so we then rode out the GFC relatively easily, firmly takes it out of "worst thing to happen to the Australian economy" territory. I do however think building an economy based on exporting natural resources in the long term is dangerous and more of the money coming from it should be funnelled into R&D so we can be best equipped for whatever happens next.

Now, what were we talking about?

We seem to have come a long way from camper trailer business acquisitions.

[The punter]

This article expands a bit on what the services sector is, and the demise of manufacturing, I think the narrative that it is ALL dead is overblown but I think he is mainly referring to the low-tech aspect of manufacturing. There are high-tech manufacturers like Cochlear Limited, for example, who make the bionic ear and Thales Australia who manufactures amongst other things the Bushmaster troop carrier that are doing well and I think that is where our manufacturing future is.

You present a straw man of two small scale niches.

Automotive and white goods employed tens of thousands

Those tens of thousands will now be baristas

[Joff]

You present a straw man of two small scale niches.

Automotive and white goods employed tens of thousands

Those tens of thousands will now be baristas

Shit. The sky fell down 

[The punter]

Shit. The sky fell down 

Not if you want to be a barista