Where is your camper # plate?

Bird · May 25, 2015, 01:48:53 PM

FFS...
murderous offence... did the cop not get a blowy the night before or something...

Quote.. a keen caravan owner, he had towed his Crusader model around Australia and was on the way home when he was pulled over by Highway Patrol and given a ticket.

And what was his offence?

A rear licence plate sitting 30cm higher than regulations allow.

"It's one of those things – when I got the fine, I thought I'd just pay it and shut up," he said.

"And then when I got home and found there were three demerit points involved I thought, 'that's a bit harsh'."

http://www.mynrma.com.au/get-involved/advocacy/news/4caravan-owner-taken-for-a-ride-by-the-law.htm

Chesapeake · May 25, 2015, 02:12:12 PM

Just thinking,I have no idea how it works but maybe the number plate recognition setup in the patrol cars don't read that high. And yep,bit rude copping points for that.

edz · May 25, 2015, 02:47:03 PM

Sucks but It is a rego fail if the any part of the number plate is more than 1300 from the ground and not able to be veiwed from a given set of angles as per the NSW RMS Inspection bulletin [ 70 ] page 105 .. section 11 ( a ) I think it was that I looked up last night as the wife was talking to someone on face crap and querying our trailer build over it ...
http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/business-industry/examiners/vib-70-inspection-number-plates.pdf

Kangaron · May 25, 2015, 02:51:18 PM

Quote from: Bird on May 25, 2015, 01:48:53 PM
FFS...
murderous offence... did the traffic cop not get a blowy the night before or something...

Fixed it for you

Steffo1 · May 25, 2015, 03:28:40 PM

Just checked Qld regs & it's 1.3m as well but just states "to number plate" not Top, Centre or Bottom so I'm assuming it would be to the bottom of the plate as in ground clearance. Yes/No?
Steve

Jeepers Creepers · May 25, 2015, 04:56:09 PM

If I got a ticket for that, i'd also get one for offensive language as well..... I guarantee it.

dales133 · May 25, 2015, 05:05:03 PM

Quote from: Steffo1 on May 25, 2015, 03:28:40 PM
Just checked Qld regs & it's 1.3m as well but just states "to number plate" not Top, Centre or Bottom so I'm assuming it would be to the bottom of the plate as in ground clearance. Yes/No?
Steve

If it dosn't state top or bottom you could argue it in court and win

Bad Scott · May 25, 2015, 05:05:29 PM

Quote from: Jeepers Creepers on May 25, 2015, 04:56:09 PM
If I got a ticket for that, i'd also get one for offensive language as well..... I guarantee it.

x2

Bad Scott · May 25, 2015, 05:09:59 PM

Quote from: dales133 on May 25, 2015, 05:05:03 PM
If it dosn't state top or bottom you could argue it in court and win

Custom 10mtr tape measure that has 1300mm stamped beyond

lino6 · May 26, 2015, 06:35:37 PM

I always had a chuckle at the old Vic oversize info bulletin. It had a pic on the front cover of a truck with an oversize sign on the wind deflector on the roof, but inside the bulletin it said that the sign shouldn't be more than 1200mm from the ground!

fuji · May 26, 2015, 07:56:27 PM

Reminds me to secure mine before I go away

Green rv · May 27, 2015, 02:40:23 PM

i not sure now but must not be a rule in Queensland
or do i have to search harder (i would expect this )

http://www.qld.gov.au/transport/registration/numberplate/index.html#requirements

Adam

Steffo1 · May 27, 2015, 03:13:46 PM

Hey RV, Scroll down to (a) (ii) a bit confusing is it not

Why can't they put the same regs on each paper?? No wonder we government cash cows get milked!

Steve

Queensland Consolidated Regulations
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TRANSPORT OPERATIONS (ROAD USE MANAGEMENT—VEHICLE REGISTRATION) REGULATION 2010 - SECT 30
30 Position, visibility and legibility of number plate
(1) The registered operator of a vehicle must ensure that each number plate issued for a vehicle is permanently attached to the vehicle so that, if the vehicle is on level ground—

(a) the number plate is—

(i) in an upright position parallel to the vehicle's axles; and

(ii) not more than 1.3m above ground level; and

(b) unless an accessory plate is attached to the vehicle in the way required under section 37—the characters on the number plate are visible from 20m away at any point within an arc of 45&#deg; from the surface of the number plate above or to either side of the vehicle, in the way shown in figures 1 and 2 at the end of this section; and

(c) any cover on the number plate—

(i) is clear, clean, untinted and flat over its entire surface; and

(ii) has no reflective or other characteristics that would prevent—

(A) the successful operation of a photographic detection device; or

(B) the number plate from being legible; and

(d) the number plate is in a clearly legible condition, including being clearly legible from any position from which it is required to be visible.

Maximum penalty—40 penalty units.

(2) A load on the vehicle is taken to make the characters not visible contrary to subsection (1)(b) if the load—

(a) makes the characters not visible or only partly visible; or

(b) obscures the characters.

(3) The registered operator must also ensure that—

(a) if the vehicle has been issued with 2 number plates—1 number plate is attached to the front of the vehicle and the other to its rear; or

(b) if the vehicle has been issued with only 1 number plate—the number plate is attached to its rear.

Maximum penalty—12 penalty units.

(4) The registered operator does not contravene subsection (1)(a) or (b) if—

(a) it is not practicable to attach a number plate to the vehicle in the way required under subsection (1)(a) or (b) because of the vehicle's construction; and

(b) the registered operator attaches the number plate to the vehicle as nearly as practicable in the way required under subsection (1)(a) or (b).

(5) The registered operator does not contravene subsection (1)(b) if the position for the rear number plate of the vehicle (the towing vehicle) is obscured by another vehicle (the towed vehicle) being towed by the towing vehicle and any of the following applies—

(a) the towed vehicle is registered under this regulation or a corresponding law to this regulation, and displays its rear number plate in the way required under subsection (1) or under the corresponding law;

(b) the towing vehicle is a tow truck, the towed vehicle is not registered under this regulation or a corresponding law to this regulation, and the towed vehicle—

(i) displays the towing vehicle's rear number plate in a way consistent with the requirements of subsection (1); or

(ii) displays an accessory plate for the towing vehicle in the way required under section 38(5);

(c) the towing vehicle is not a tow truck, the towed vehicle is an exempt vehicle under section 4(a), (b) or (l) when being towed by the towing vehicle and the towed vehicle displays the towing vehicle's rear number plate in a way consistent with the requirements of subsection (1) or under a corresponding law to this regulation.

(6) If a vehicle's number plates are removed and confiscated under the Police Powers and Responsibilities Act 2000, section 74H, the vehicle's registered operator does not contravene subsection (1) or (3) while the number plates are confiscated.

(7) In this section—

number plate does not include an accessory plate issued under section 37.

photographic detection device see section 113 of the Act.

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rosgeog · May 27, 2015, 03:38:36 PM

I live in the NT and just checked that we have the same ruling. No higher than 1300mm from ground.
We will be picking up a new van from Melbourne in October so something to check. Thanks Ross

Green rv · May 27, 2015, 04:06:16 PM

this always pi55es me off

its drummed into us that its our responsibility to know the rules
but it dam hard to find them

it took me 38 min to find what you did Steffo
found more on how to buy personalized plates than actual regulations on the matter

i would have taken the first document i found as the rule and been happy with that until booked

arrrg
Adam

Steffo1 · May 27, 2015, 04:18:18 PM

Quote from: Steffo1 on May 25, 2015, 03:28:40 PM
Just checked Qld regs & it's 1.3m as well but just states "to number plate" not Top, Centre or Bottom so I'm assuming it would be to the bottom of the plate as in ground clearance. Yes/No?
Steve

After reading the rules again I'm thinking it would be to the top of the plate as if it was to the bottom then the plate is, in fact, over the 1.3m.
Steve

Green rv · May 27, 2015, 04:33:29 PM

might have to make a folder of most useful info found on gov web site and pull them out when ever pulled over for an offence

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Desert lover · May 27, 2015, 05:00:23 PM

Looking at the rear of a few vans over the past days and reckon that the only place to mount the number plate so that the vision of it is not obscured by spare wheels etc is perhaps a bit above the regulatory maximum height... however I wonder if the police member in question was grasping at straws for something to 'book' our driver for. The number plate offence may have been the cheapest option amongst a myriad of possibilities .... I recall having issued tickets for a legitimately (committed) offence when the original main reason for being intercepted had a hefty fine attached but the driver/s (being polite, understandable reason etc etc etc) didn't deserve to be hit so hard in the hip pocket.....

Steffo1 · May 27, 2015, 05:09:09 PM

Quote from: Desert lover on May 27, 2015, 05:00:23 PM
Looking at the rear of a few vans over the past days and reckon that the only place to mount the number plate so that the vision of it is not obscured by spare wheels etc is perhaps a bit above the regulatory maximum height... however I wonder if the police member in question was grasping at straws for something to 'book' our driver for. The number plate offence may have been the cheapest option amongst a myriad of possibilities .... I recall having issued tickets for a legitimately (committed) offence when the original main reason for being intercepted had a hefty fine attached but the driver/s (being polite, understandable reason etc etc etc) didn't deserve to be hit so hard in the hip pocket.....

Know where you're coming from & good on you but a $415 fine would be hefty to my pocket!
Steve

jclures · May 27, 2015, 05:42:07 PM

And they tell you it is not revenue raising

smartyingreen · May 27, 2015, 08:35:06 PM

On the back of my camper - well last time I checked!

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Bad Scott · May 27, 2015, 08:39:41 PM

Quote from: smartyingreen on May 27, 2015, 08:35:06 PM
On the back of my camper - well last time I checked!

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MDS69 · May 27, 2015, 09:10:59 PM

I reckon the person who received the fine was probably stopped for something else and got lippy.

I wonder what the response is if you have a bike rack plate. These would be over 1.3m.

Hotdognz · May 27, 2015, 09:24:57 PM

Really.... its the 3 demerit points that went with the fine that tick me off, I mean WTF for it wasn't as if this was a an offence that could cause harm and they take 3 years to go away, this did not deserve the demerit points.

Rumpig · May 28, 2015, 06:36:27 AM

Quote from: MDS69 on May 27, 2015, 09:10:59 PM
I reckon the person who received the fine was probably stopped for something else and got lippy.

that was my first thought also

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