Interesting read on electric cars

[prodigyrf]

With up to 2 year waits for their hybrids and EVs beginning to bank up in showrooms Toyota San is hanging tough to the dismay of Greenies but as pointed out-

Toyota says that it takes the same amount of battery material to make one full battery electric vehicle as it does to make 90 hybrids or six plug-in hybrids, suggesting that EV adaptation at a global scale is currently not realistic.

Particularly so as renewables grid firming competes for scarce light weight lithium battery resources when it could be using alternative flow batteries.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/toyota-is-sticking-by-petrol-and-diesel-in-an-increasingly-electric-world/ar-AA1iN22w

[MDS69]

I was visiting Surfers Paradise a week or so ago flying up from Sydney. Rode the electric bus from Coolangatta to Broadbeach. The driver was nuts. Driving this thing like a go cart screaming down the median strip lane then diving across to the bus stop. Drag racing other cars off the lights. These things move. Coming back to the airport from the light rail terminus on another electric bus and this driver pulled out into the fast lane heading up the hill out of Burleigh overtaking cars. These electric buses have some torque.

[prodigyrf]

Electric motors excel at torque and why Teslas appeal to revheads as well as the virtue signallers. Why Musk kicked off with the ModelS to tap the top end of the performance market and get to where they are as dominant with EVs as Toyota are with hybrids. While Tesla shareholders can grin now the larger problem for EVs is the danger of their lithium batteries in large numbers. Whereas Toyota can easily switch back to NiMh battery tech for hybrids as their weight is not so critical.

In any case lithium battery EVs can never satisfy the mass market due to their cost and you can easily see that with driveaway pricing of the Chinese MG ZS ICE vs the MG ZSEV version. Financing the difference at 8% car loans for most or even 6% upping the home mortgage blows away any EV fuel savings. That's before any consideration of higher EV depreciation we're seeing now with more mature EV supply and demand. The climate changers' fantasy of electric transport running on unreliables simply aint gunna happen.

[prodigyrf]

So, it begins in earnest
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australian-ferry-operators-put-on-alert-for-electric-car-fires/ar-AA1j3Zlv

[Hairs]

Hmm,

"Brisbane fast-charging company Tritium will close its Brisbane factory in an effort to save cash and to try and save its business"
https://fb.watch/oceq6K3evE/?mibextid=CDWPTG



You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[Black174]

So, it begins in earnest
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australian-ferry-operators-put-on-alert-for-electric-car-fires/ar-AA1j3Zlv

Took the Tesla over to Tassie this last weekend and no mention of any of this.
Drove on and park like anyone else.

[austastar]

Hi,

Hmmmm...

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[Black174]

500km range is plenty for my Tesla 3 performance.
So car parks in Melbourne CBD have free chargers, so I manage my range so that I drive to the city on the day I need to charge my car.
Early bird ticket for the day is $17/day where my charge at a supercharger will be around $20.
Very convenient for me.

Yes everyone will have different circumstances, but it works perfectly for me.

I still prefer my LC76 over my Tesla, Tesla is my city car.

[prodigyrf]

Around 10 years ago Asia widely using butane for home cooking had a severe exploding gas can problem until Daeryuk Can Co solved the problem-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVwOrk1vl5Y
Question: What is the lithium battery EV industry doing about its similar and growing problem with threat to life limb and property?

[Black174]

I believe the lithium battery industry for EV vehicles will do the same as the tobacco industry, look the other way and count their money.

[prodigyrf]

The whole net-zero Green energy push is collapsing globally as Marc Morano points out-
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/11/13/watch-morano-on-rebel-news-the-green-energy-scam-is-starting-to-collapse-this-is-an-ideology-like-the-soviet-union/
To some extent we dodged a bullet in Oz getting out of car manufacturing altogether and rather fortuitously while we're making record income from fossil fuel exports (coal and gas). We can buy Shanghai Teslas BYDs or MGs etc until their pips squeak and keep slashing those uneconomic prices as long as they like. However fuelling them with the Green dream of solar and wind locally is where we can't avoid the collapse Morano is talking about with all that transmissioning and offshore wind etc.

Hell with the construction industry shortages and skyrocketting costs collapsing the construction industry we can't even build enough affordable housing let alone Chris Bowen's net-zero fantasy. How's SnowyII coming along cost wise Minister because the 10,000kms of transmissioning and offshore wind turbines aren't going to fare any better when the much chastened and wiser remaining suppliers put in their tenders.

[Black174]

The Greens and Labour Left have always been dreamers - Chris Bowen did not even knew the minimum wages when he was Treasurer.

[prodigyrf]

But here's the clincher. How's this for EV depreciation in an established market like the UK bearing in mind the MOT concessions and free pass to special designated areas they get- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K1Er_KVw1M

Same deal here now as a 2019 Tesla Model3 owner is now asking $39k after listing it for $49k back on June 8 and easily murdering $30k from new-
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2019-tesla-model-3-standard-range-plus-auto/SSE-AD-15251968/?Cr=0
Ordinary folks buying on finance can't afford that sort of hit when already the higher finance cost of an EV over an ICE negates any fuel cost savings. Don't get sucked into the Gummint lure of cheaper novated leasing or you'll be sorry come residual time like plenty of those Tesla leasers on Carsales are finding now.

[Bird]

I drove an electric car from Sydney to Melbourne. This is what I learned about using EVs in a country as large and unforgiving as Australia - and what you need to know before buying one

- I drove Hyundai's Ioniq 5 from Sydney to Melbourne
-  In total, I spent $210 and three-and-a-half hours 'powering up'
- The same journey costs me $140 in petrol - a $70 fuel stop each way

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-12769167/Hyundai-Ioniq-5-road-trip-Melbourne-Sydney-expensive-slow.html

[prodigyrf]

Some days as Minister for Changing Weather you should just pull the covers over your head and stay in bed-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12776829/Ray-Hadley-issues-brutal-reality-check-electric-car-owners-exposes-major-problem.html
https://thedriven.io/2023/11/22/australian-hospital-group-and-golf-club-ban-ev-charging-because-of-fire-risks/

[prodigyrf]

I drove an electric car from Sydney to Melbourne. This is what I learned about using EVs in a country as large and unforgiving as Australia - and what you need to know before buying one

No worries Bird just like congestion charging at the servo Elon has them covered 
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/tesla-s-plan-to-extract-more-cash-from-supercharger-users/ar-AA1kk2TM

[Bird]

No worries Bird just like congestion charging at the servo Elon has them covered 
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/tesla-s-plan-to-extract-more-cash-from-supercharger-users/ar-AA1kk2TM

The funny thing... theres a few ... "new australians" here at work that thought charging would be free... they got a nasty surprise.

[Bad Scott]

The funny thing... theres a few ... "new australians" here at work that thought charging would be free... they got a nasty surprise.

Screw a GPO to a tree and say it's green power 

[Bird]

Screw a GPO to a tree and say it's green power 

trickle charge... just wait it will get there eventually

[prodigyrf]

When will BEVs manage to outsell plain hybrids in Oz is the question-
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/hybrids-not-electric-cars-are-the-next-big-thing-according-to-toyota-australia-91473
And with mainly Tesla making an earn out of BEVs Toyota with their long order books aren't in any hurry to compete and lose dough.

[prodigyrf]

Well that's it for lithium battery EV owners as you and your cars become lepers-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/medical-staff-told-not-to-charge-electric-cars-due-to-fire-risk/ar-AA1ksbP8
No wonder China is working hard on safer sodium based batteries but the tradeoff is heavier lesser energy battery packs.

[Hairs]

Educate me please,
We have an energy crisis, yet power companies are having record profits posted, this includes electricity and oil companies.
I maybe a dinosaur, however I'm not believing this 'we have to go green sh1t'
There are more diesel powered shipping linersthen ever, there are more planes in to air then before, but we are told we have to cut our use of petrol/diesel powered vehicles to save the planet.
Yet our homes have more & more electrical devices.
We played Australia.

You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[prodigyrf]

I prefer to simply put fuel in the tank rather than replace the tank and the vehicle when it runs out of fuel but that's just me-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGQXYL_eHHs

[Bird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGQXYL_eHHs&t=14s

[prodigyrf]

You have to hand it to Musk as he's right up there with the great entrepreneurs of history that made a motzah out of the technical genius of Nikola Tesla 'The Man who Invented the Twentieth Century' (a great read) and died crazy poor-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQx3_aCWQsU