Interesting read on electric cars

[prodigyrf]

Nothing to do with the EV, all to do with the cleaning requirements.

True and all our annual 1.2million cars have to come by ship nowadays-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/1000-kia-vehicles-turned-back-due-to-biosecurity-risk/ar-AA1mo2jR

Apart from live bugs that presents a problem for current lithium battery tech in large volumes that flooding with CO2 won't solve-
https://apnews.com/article/cargo-ship-fire-alaska-safety-precautions-38e7a4e5e882617d184eb73ec928814e
Houston YOU have a problem!

[Hairs]

Just a random thought.
You own a EV, you are in Mt Tamborine at the moment, or any other area that is effected by the loss of power, due to storms, or other natural disasters?
What's your back up plan?

You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[lloydus67]

Tbh, same as if you run out of fuel, all the servo's can't pump petrol or diesel until the power comes back on.


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[Hairs]

Tbh, same as if you run out of fuel, all the servo's can't pump petrol or diesel until the power comes back on.

Hmm, That might be right in big towns, cities, however our small town's general store has diesel generators as backup for when there are power failures. Has had for the 27 years I've lived here.
It Keeps the fridges/freezers,  fuel pumps operational during power outages, Whether that be network outages due upgrades or weather events.
Our emergency services in town, RFS/SES need 24 hour access to fuel.


You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[Fizzie]

It Keeps the fridges/freezers,  fuel pumps operational during power outages,

Does it also run the cash register & card reader

That's the other thing that's now showing up more & more - when an area loses power, all the various mobile phone towers only have ~8 hours battery life before they also shut down, so no phones. nbn is also reliant on power so also no internet, EFTPOS, banking etc etc etc

Welcome to teh wonders of teh cutting-edge, 21st century, Australian communications network!

[Hairs]

"Does it also run the cash register & card reader"
Yes it does mate.
The store has satellite NBN, Phone.
I figure over the years, as our town gets bigger, more people are reliant on the general store when roads are cut due to flooding and power failures.
In big floods, the pumps are removed, although the store stays open.
Milk, bread essential are brought in by boat.
Even in big floods, we are still able to get to either Grafton or Casino by road(70 odd Km's).

Re Phone towers.
Lawrence is part of the national communication network(we had wireless nbn before other towns that are bigger than us), there is a diesel generator at the tower to power it.


You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[prodigyrf]

Sales by propulsion or fuel type:

Petrol: 588,622 sales, up 6.7 per cent
Diesel: 379,512 sales, up 5.0 per cent
Hybrid: 98,439 sales, up 20.3 per cent
Electric: 87,217 sales, up 161.1 per cent
PHEV: 11,212 sales, up 8.8 per cent
https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/8477752/australias-top-selling-electric-cars-in-2023/

So hybrid sales currently match EV plus PHEV(imposter?) sales so should the shrewd investor buy Toyota or Tesla shares? Decisions....decisions...?

[Hairs]

Electric vehicle owners should only be allowed to change their vehicles from Wind, Solar & Hydro.
Otherwise it's just pretending

You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[WilSurf]

Why?

[Hairs]

Why?

I'm taken the p155 out this whole, green energy crap(imo).

Do you remember 15 years ago or so, you could purchase 'Green Power' from your power supplier?
You were charged a higher tariff for this 'Green Power' privilege.
The money from this was to fund the transition to green power, it lined the pockets of those who had their snout in the trough.
The next scheme was Solar panels on your roof.
We invested $15K in our system, which are are lucky to get 6cent a KW now.
Our house insurance was I creased because of the panels.

Seems every week, there is a new household item that needs power to operate,

We had our PM attend COP28, beside albo flying there, Australia sent over 100 public servants to tell the rest of us that we have to go green.
He's not called Airbus Albo for nothing.

Industry, is telling the goverment that there will not be enough energy in the system and to expect blackouts.
Which we seem to have most weekends.

Anyway, if people want to believe they are saving the planet by buying an electric vehicle, they have a right to believe that, and do that.






You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[Hairs]

Just to Add,
Australia sells high grade Coal, Yellow Cake to the world.
We are closing our power stations, the Greens have Australians Shit scared of Nuclear.
How farken stupid are we?
Well played Australia.

Yet you are convinced that buying an electric vehicle is going to save the planet.
Open your eyes and see what the power houses of the world are doing.
They are selling us this utopia

You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[RebsWA]

Just to Add,
Australia sells high grade Coal, Yellow Cake to the world.
We are closing our power stations, the Greens have Australians Shit scared of Nuclear.
How farken stupid are we?
Well played Australia.

Yet you are convinced that buying an electric vehicle is going to save the planet.
Open your eyes and see what the power houses of the world are doing.
They are selling us this utopia

You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

Agree wholeheartedly 

[Bird]

Just to Add,
Australia sells high grade Coal, Yellow Cake to the world.
We are closing our power stations, the Greens have Australians Shit scared of Nuclear.
How farken stupid are we?
Well played Australia.

I was watching a vid on youtube where the bloke looked at the total number of vehicles in Australia, against the total generating output of all our power stations. If everything converts to battery power in the national fleet we won't have enough electricity generation to charge them each day.

[Hairs]

And that's just the tip of the iceberg, when it comes our energy needs.

You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[monbeg]

I was watching a vid on youtube where the bloke looked at the total number of vehicles in Australia, against the total generating output of all our power stations. If everything converts to battery power in the national fleet we won't have enough electricity generation to charge them each day.

An upmarket (read expensive) apartment development here in Radelaide advertised that each car park would have an electric vehicle charge point.
After completion only 1 in 3 of the apartments had one, the reason, "the grid is not capable of supporting any more".

[Hairs]

25 odd years here,
Those that wanted to install air-conditioning submitted an application to the local energy mob.
Some had to pay for transformer upgrades, and other network upgrades before the go ahead was given.
Now, I maybe wrong, but over time I haven't seen much infrastructure upgrades in our town.
So what has changed for people to use more electricity

You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[prodigyrf]

Painful EV depreciation just got a whole lot worse as rental car companies certainly know all about cost per km-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/companies/car-rental-firm-hertz-to-sell-20-000-evs-for-gas-powered-vehicles/ar-AA1mO2TU

PS: Blame Tesla   
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/hertz-is-walking-back-a-big-bet-on-evs-here-s-what-s-really-going-on/ar-AA1mPC0R

[hainess]

France drops renewables targets, prioritises nuclear in new energy bill.

https://www.france24.com/en/france/20240109-france-drops-renewables-targets-prioritises-nuclear-in-new-energy-bill.

[Hairs]

Sorry if this has been posted.
Two cars, one petrol, the other electric.
Melbourne to Sydney.
https://youtu.be/JSGjVOkM0jU?si=l3vC2ZeSthf-lSZn

You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[Foo]

Sorry if this has been posted.
Two cars, one petrol, the other electric.
Melbourne to Sydney.
https://youtu.be/JSGjVOkM0jU?si=l3vC2ZeSthf-lSZn

You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

Can't forking watch that with the 5mins of adds before you look like getting to the test! 

Foo

[Hairs]

Can't forking watch that with the 5mins of adds before you look like getting to the test! 

Foo

Sorry mate,
When I click on the link it's
5 seconds of one ad, then I can skip to the story.


You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[jclures]

I do not get any ads,

[Bird]

dont use it for the holiday to the snow..
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dead-teslas-oak-brook

[prodigyrf]

dont use it for the holiday to the snow..
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/dead-teslas-oak-brook

It wasn't just in Chicago- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKbAnOYUigo

Experienced pro advises don't leave it unattended at home charging in the garage- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itGeAq9rBeY
Presumably you need a fire/smoke alarm monitor too in the garage to get some shuteye?
Insurance underwriters are going to call time on all this despite the politicians and their mainstream media lackeys sprinkling fairy dust.

[Fizzie]

But wait, car prices are going down!

No, hang on a minute, up!

Umm, nah, dunno, it's complicated!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-01-17/where-are-electric-and-petrol-vehicle-prices-going-in-2024/103306894

At the very least, lower battery prices may carry forward into home & camping batteries