How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.

[NZMarkb]

6 cases from 51,000 tests aint bad....

Well within the margin of error I'd say 

[Kangaron]

Just got early mail from a former colleague [ with more Shit on his shoulders than I ever had ] that the lockdown will be extended till after Queens birthday long weekend. 

[Bird]

Just got early mail from a former colleague [ with more Shit on his shoulders than I ever had ] that the lockdown will be extended till after Queens birthday long weekend. 

my shocked look

[manchu]

Just got early mail from a former colleague [ with more Shit on his shoulders than I ever had ] that the lockdown will be extended till after Queens birthday long weekend. 

thanks for the heads up.   

I'm not surprised although I did only expect a ~1 week extension to start with.       Keeping the lockdown through the long weekend does make sense in some respects though. 

[Kangaron]

Well partially right, a 7 day extension with Melbournites unable to travel to regional vic during the Queens Birthday w/e

[manchu]

Well partially right, a 7 day extension with Melbournites unable to travel to regional vic during the Queens Birthday w/e

and extension through the long weekend "not ruled out".   

[Hairs]

This Shite isn't going to end soon.
Just my 2 bobs worth.
And No I don't have a magic bullet, This Farker keeps changing.
Ok, so we all have our Covid vaccines, it keeps mutating, we'll need a New vaccine.
Every year the Flu vaccine is different to last years, that keeps evolving.

[alnjan]

Out Daughter is into Day 4 of her Quarantine in Sydney. 
She now has a phone that works in Australia
Her Australian Visa Card works

The Hotel delivers breakfast, lunch and tea, but sometimes the food is a bit, hmm, not common.   She prefers the bland common food.
For example Breakfast this morning was "Sauteed eggs with spring onion on toasted soar dough and smoked salmon."  she said the Scrambled Eggs tasted of only onion.   

Along with Uber Eats delivering to the Hotel, see also found that Woolworths also deliver to the Hotel.  So after scrapping the eggs and salmon out she could use the styrofoam container as a bowl for her gluten free cereal.   

Today she was told they are now doing an extra COVID test on day 7 now along with Day 12.   
Not sure what difference it will make but not much choice in the matter

[Pete79]

The Hotel delivers breakfast, lunch and tea, but sometimes the food is a bit, hmm, not common.   She prefers the bland common food.

Funny, as soon as I read this I thought if she's been living in the States then she wouldn't be used to the taste of real eggs.
Then I read your next sentence...

The yanks do a lot of crap food, most of it didn't bother me too much.
But damned if I could find a decent breakfast anywhere in that country, I have no idea how they can all make a simple egg taste so bad.

Anyway, hope your daughter makes it through quarantine uninfected.
I think the 7 day test is to find cases early and make sure they isolate them properly to try and ensure no more spread inside the hotels.

[gronk]

This Shite isn't going to end soon.
Just my 2 bobs worth.
And No I don't have a magic bullet, This Farker keeps changing.
Ok, so we all have our Covid vaccines, it keeps mutating, we'll need a New vaccine.
Every year the Flu vaccine is different to last years, that keeps evolving.

I've got a magic bullet......extend the quarantine period for returned travellers. And prevent cross contamination with the people looking after them.
They've had 12 months to get this part right and they still have failures.

[Spada]

Got the 1st dose of the AstraZeneka vaccine yesterday, so far all good as far as after-effects go.

Doc explained possible side effects for an otherwise healthy person before hand and they were- (best as I recall the percentages, it was a lot to take in)
most will have some local minor irritation in the area of the injection
about 60% may suffer tiredness & mild headaches for 1 or 2 days after
about 40% may also develop a mild fever for 1 to 2 days after
about 20% may get cold shivers associated with the mild fever within 24hours (more prevalent in men)
about 1 in 1,000,000 could develop an anaphylactic reaction
about 4-6 in 1,000,000 could develop blood clotting

Don't quote me on the statistics though, that's just what I recall from the conversation before the jab. The doc asked a gazillion questions about allergies, general health, medical history, medications etc, etc, etc, all from a prepared questionnaire/tick the box checklist. Most questions seemed to focus on conditions which affect blood supply, and any yes answers changed the risk value of post vaccine side affects, and increased the amount of time you have to stay on site after the injection for observation. Here's a link to the info pack you should be given after the jab - https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/04/covid-19-vaccination-after-your-astrazeneca-vaccine-covid-19-vaccination-after-your-astrazeneca-vaccine.pdf

I'm almost at the end of the 1st 24 hours and so far all good. Left arm is a teensy bit tender from the jab (feels a bit like a mild bruise), but otherwise all good.

[Pottsy]

Both the wife and I are at the 45 hour mark since our AZ vaccinations, similar experience to Spada re questioning and the statistics discussed. Neither of us have had any side effects, injection site is slightly tender, that's about it so I think we have escaped Scott free.

[Wolfie]

22 days since ours, out of the over hyped blood clot danger zone. No side effect other the a very mildly tender arm for one or two days.

[glenm64]

Dont get me wrong, the jab is what we need to past the crazy lockdown cycles we get stuck in.
but..... theres been 1.4 million doses of AZ with 11 cases of clotting, so the maths of 1 in how ever million doesnt add up.
Im just doing the maths.

[Spada]

but..... theres been 1.4 million doses of AZ with 11 cases of clotting, so the maths of 1 in how ever million doesnt add up.
Im just doing the maths.

Yeah, you're right Glen. I was quoting from memory, not fact Just had a read of the literature they hand out and it has this-

A very rare side effect of an unusual condition involving blood clotting and low blood
platelet count may occur after of the AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine. This affects
approximately 4 to 6 out of a million people after receiving a first dose, but has not
been seen after the second dose of this vaccine.

That's a little closer to what your maths suggests? I kind of suspect that number might flatten out a bit as we move on. After all, the biggest demographic that has had a dose so far is the oldies which are more likely have a higher ratio of pre-existing health issues than the younger/fitter demographic?

[glenm64]

Ive also heard that the demographics for the AZ vaccine target group significant have blood thinner medications, which helps to reduce the clotting risk. I dont know if that is factual or not, but if it is it may mean the clotting risk is higher if your not on thinners, dont know.
The best thing any government can do to build confidence is be open and honest. Aussies are pretty good at sniffing out B.S. and then that gets people off side that would have normally been on side if they were told the truth. Getting confidence back is one of the hardest things to do.

[rags]

Ive also heard that the demographics for the AZ vaccine target group significant have blood thinner medications, which helps to reduce the clotting risk. I dont know if that is factual or not, but if it is it may mean the clotting risk is higher if your not on thinners, dont know.
The best thing any government can do to build confidence is be open and honest. Aussies are pretty good at sniffing out B.S. and then that gets people off side that would have normally been on side if they were told the truth. Getting confidence back is one of the hardest things to do.

Now I'm no Doctor but am wondering why we don't take a daily Aspirin tablet for a period of time before getting the AZ shot. Aspirin is commonly used as a blood thinner for people at risk of stroke and cardiac issues.

[D4D]

but..... theres been 1.4 million doses of AZ with 11 cases of clotting, so the maths of 1 in how ever million doesnt add up.

Further data here, not good if you're one of the 40. Whilst the probability is low the impact is very high.
https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/eight-new-cases-of-blood-clots-related-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-reported/news-story/8bde5cceea518e7b19ae3acc5fd57714

[Steffo1]

Stats?

https://www.pbi.org.au/what-is-thrombosis

[glenm64]

Further data here, not good if you're one of the 40. Whilst the probability is low the impact is very high.
https://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/eight-new-cases-of-blood-clots-related-to-astrazeneca-vaccine-reported/news-story/8bde5cceea518e7b19ae3acc5fd57714

Well that's a lot more than what I read. Does nothing for confidence in AZ.
Many people  reason (until an outbreak) that even though the risk of clotting is low, so is the risk of COVID.
Gov needs to roll out mRNA vaccines across the board for those that want it. That may well get the vaccination take up higher a lot quicker



Cheers Glen

[#jonesy]

Now I'm no Doctor but am wondering why we don't take a daily Aspirin tablet for a period of time before getting the AZ shot. Aspirin is commonly used as a blood thinner for people at risk of stroke and cardiac issues.

It is some weird sort of clotting.  Blood clots, forming in blood that is also at the same time low in platelets.  Platelets cause clotting. 

I just wish there was more public info about rate of side effects before you are sitting in the chair.  I'd still have it, I would just make sure I was ready for the side effects

[Pete79]

Up until now the government's official line on clots was 1 in 100,000.
Based on these latest 41 cases of clotting that number is now more like 1 in 34,000.

[gronk]

Now I'm no Doctor but am wondering why we don't take a daily Aspirin tablet for a period of time before getting the AZ shot. Aspirin is commonly used as a blood thinner for people at risk of stroke and cardiac issues.

Sometimes advised for all people over 55  on a daily basis. Especially as most don't know if they have underlying cardiac issues. And can save your life if you do have a little hearty !!
Aspirin alone is not advised for long term ( stomach ulcers is one reason ), but something like Cartia is better ( enteric coated aspirin ) so it breaks down lower in the gut or intestine.

[edz]

Some may find this interesting ..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJSUKDng_Ww   

[gronk]

Some may find this interesting ..  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJSUKDng_Ww

Was used in India......that went down well ??