Electronic rust protection - busted

[edz]

Bugger ... All this just when I was about to re release the latest chinese platinum upgrade of the Peter Brock Energy Polariser ...

[KingBilly]

It looks as though you already have an answer.

The silence is deafening 

KB

[GeoffA]

The silence is deafening 

KB

What??

[Fizzie]

This is something that has always got me a bit confused. I've read lots of explanations, here & on other forums / sites explaining that there is no way that these systems can possibly work, but then you read something like this from Cruiser

My 1991 80 series has a sticker on it, its documented that it has been ERP. I live within a huge stone throw of the sea and the 80 is parked outside of a night time all the time. The gutters on my home are rusted to the point that they need replacing, my 10 year old pergola is made from steel which is powder coated and its rusted.

Yet my 1991 80 Series which has a sticker to prove it has been ERP, still has no rust!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Creek to Coast on TV here talk about Couplertec's version frequently & they always carry on about his (I think?) 80 series, which is 20+ years old, has spent it's whole life driving up & down beaches & so on, but doesn't have a skerrick of rust anywhere in it

Maybe it's just the 80 series & it's all down to Toyota doing something right (wrong?  ) in the factory?

So what will this ruling mean for Couplertec, ERPS & the other versions that are out there? Are they all gone, or will they "prove" that their version is different & it's the only true religion, oooops, sorry, system that actually works?

Edit: just read Cruiser's other thread, so maybe it is all down to the 80 series after all - but no others? 

[oldmate]

This is something that has always got me a bit confused. I've read lots of explanations, here & on other forums / sites explaining that there is no way that these systems can possibly work, but then you read something like this from Cruiser

Creek to Coast on TV here talk about Couplertec's version frequently & they always carry on about his (I think?) 80 series, which is 20+ years old, has spent it's whole life driving up & down beaches & so on, but doesn't have a skerrick of rust anywhere in it

Maybe it's just the 80 series & it's all down to Toyota doing something right (wrong?  ) in the factory?

So what will this ruling mean for Couplertec, ERPS & the other versions that are out there? Are they all gone, or will they "prove" that their version is different & it's the only true religion, oooops, sorry, system that actually works?

Edit: just read Cruiser's other thread, so maybe it is all down to the 80 series after all - but no others? 

When they say it has no rust, do they mean no rust that they can see? Or has every inch of the car been checked, inside panels, outside panels, between skins, inside chassis rails and cross members?

[Snapman007]

Wel that's good news for me as I live in qld. I read the article and it seems only nsw and wa have a problem. 

[gronk]

   So all l have to believe in as real is ,,,,,   Cold VB                         

Sorry mate, but if you've been thinking all these years that VB is a real beer, you have been mislead.....

[Fizzie]

Sorry mate, but if you've been thinking all these years that VB is a real beer, you have been mislead.....

- with real beer!

[Fizzie]

When they say it has no rust, do they mean no rust that they can see? Or has every inch of the car been checked, inside panels, outside panels, between skins, inside chassis rails and cross members?

Yeah, who would know?

Certainly the outside view you see on TV (in other words, what they want to show you!) looks good, & the reporter says it in great shape, but 

[Bird]

All I can say is -

I TOLD YOU SO
That is all.

If people want to believe stuff, then no amount of "advice" from others will make a difference..

BINGO! People ask a question - 50 people try and warn them, then 1 person says *MAYBE* and they thank that 1 person, and say IM DOING IT... why bother asking the question?? If you just want someone to say YES GREAT IDEA - then ask someone to say that.. don't waste peoples time!

[Green rv]

i have the erps  system on the 2002 hilux (was installed from new by original owner)(ex dpi vehicle in gympie area)
was all good until about 3 years ago when it stopped working.
have now replaced the rusted out drivers side sill (but it was full of sand, was missing a bung from behind the sill )

do they work, no idea


Adam

[KingBilly]

BINGO! People ask a question - 50 people try and warn them, then 1 person says *MAYBE* and they thank that 1 person, and say IM DOING IT... why bother asking the question?? If you just want someone to say YES GREAT IDEA - then ask someone to say that.. don't waste peoples time!

KB

[GRANT ED]

I'm surprised people thought these things work.  Debating the chemistry is probably over the heads of most people but there is one big clue that a lot of people miss. The car manufactures themselves spend millions of dollars trying to stop the cars they make from rusting and yet they don't use these electronic rust preventers. Maybe that's a big hint that they don't work.

[KingBilly]

I'm surprised people thought these things work.  Debating the chemistry is probably over the heads of most people but there is one big clue that a lot of people miss. The car manufactures themselves spend millions of dollars trying to stop the cars they make from rusting and yet they don't use these electronic rust preventers. Maybe that's a big hint that they don't work.

Bingo 

KB

[Steffo1]

I'm surprised people thought these things work.  Debating the chemistry is probably over the heads of most people but there is one big clue that a lot of people miss. The car manufactures themselves spend millions of dollars trying to stop the cars they make from rusting and yet they don't use these electronic rust preventers. Maybe that's a big hint that they don't work.

Pardon my cynicism but wouldn't that fly in the face of "Manufacturing Obsolescence"?
Steve

[Darcy7]

When my missus got her Hyundai 4 years ago through a notated lease, we discovered one of these fitted to the car.  Wasn't an option and certainly wasn't something we asked them to fit.  I think the leasing company just fitted them as par for the course.

Issue is we probably paid for it...!

I might go back to these clowns and tell em I want the money back...!  Don't like my chances though.   

[Bird]

The car manufactures themselves spend millions of dollars trying to stop the cars they make from rusting

they do???

[Footy Shorts Shane]

they do???

No, they never have......

[scblack]

I'm surprised people thought these things work.  Debating the chemistry is probably over the heads of most people but there is one big clue that a lot of people miss. The car manufactures themselves spend millions of dollars trying to stop the cars they make from rusting and yet they don't use these electronic rust preventers. Maybe that's a big hint that they don't work.

I'm also amazed anyone ever thought they worked.

[speewa158]

Sorry mate, but if you've been thinking all these years that VB is a real beer, you have been mislead.....

That coming for you & knowing where you live  ,l feel vindicated  .So l will stick the VeryBest Beer         

[edz]

If I'm not mistaken there was a case a number of years back,  in which one of our  local beach fisherman ended up with one very rusty 79 series  type new cruiser.
From memory  he got a new toyota out of the  nationaly known electronic rust protection mob ... Seems it pays to be a poster child for them to use you for promoting their product in magazines etc ..

[scblack]

Sorry mate, but if you've been thinking all these years that VB is a real beer, you have been mislead.....

Yep, this man knows the truth!

[Symon]

Pardon my cynicism but wouldn't that fly in the face of "Manufacturing Obsolescence"?
Steve

Not really, there is a minimum amount of time that the vehicle has to last.  If you take the case of fleet vehicles this is usually 3-5 years, so there has to be at least some effort to preventing rust.  Also consider warranty periods of 5 years are more common these days.

I'm also amazed anyone ever thought they worked.

Not just thought they worked, some even mocked and belittled those who tried to explain the error in their beliefs.

[gronk]

That coming for you & knowing where you live  ,l feel vindicated  .So l will stick the VeryBest Beer         

Ha ha.....I can only feel sorry for you mexicans that drink that stuff....about the only thing good about it is it's slightly better than your other state beer.........Fosters !!!

[terravista]

At the risk of being declared a cynic, don't forget that this report is put out by the Government.
The same people who miss out on the taxes and duties for every car sold that replaces rusted out old cars. Why would they do that?
It's bit like a dentist saying "Use X brand toothpaste, it will save you from cavities". However, all it consists of is a mint smelling abrasive that wears your teeth out, so you have to go to the dentist (the same bastards that told you to use it) to get caps or false teeth. Bloody hypocrites.
Put electronic rust preventative systems on the car and never have rust again. This way all you need to do is replace the worn out parts, or in the case of Jeeps, every part, and the Government can't waste your money on brothels, interstate travel to Lesbian weddings and the like.
Next thing they will do is try and prove that Brockies early model Hyclones don't work.