VeeDub solves the dirty diesel problem

[prodigyrf]

With a novel approach-
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/der_smogglewagen/
Who needs all those DPF deletes, chip mods, catch cans, EGR mods, etc when just the right app will do?
Unfortunately they've been hacked and are currently discussing this minor glitch with Ashley Madison directors   

[GeoffA]

Don't solve the problem, go around it......

[BTMNDR]

Don't solve the problem, go around it......

And risk an $18 billion US fine in the process! 

Very disappointing really,

Das Auto,
Das cheats!

[edz]

Knowing that they strive for technical execelence at everything they do, Maybe, just maybe they came to the conclusion that the limitations and targets to cut pollutants put on them were impractical to  meet and still have  usable engines ..

[prodigyrf]

Knowing that they strive for technical execelence at everything they do, Maybe, just maybe they came to the conclusion that the limitations and targets to cut pollutants put on them were impractical to  meet and still have  usable engines ..

That's the only conclusion you can come to with the helluva commercial risk they were taking here. All to avoid the added cost of Adblue additive to aid catalysing NOx emissions for new diesel owners I suspect-
http://www.shell.com.au/products-services/on-the-road/fuels/adblue.html
Added to EGR, DPF problems, etc you have to suspect the writing is on the wall for domestic diesel use now and Subaru are first cab off the rank telling it like it is to potential owners-

http://www.subaru.com.au/car-advice/benefits-of-a-diesel-engine

The money quote-
"So again it is clear that a diesel engine vehicle requires a driving style and method of use that is only suitable for longer distances and higher loads!  If this is your particular method of use and you travel high kilometres then a diesel engine vehicle is particularly suitable due to the fuel efficiency and environmental performance.  But if you normally travel short distances then a petrol engine is a better choice."

Or if mum's using it as a shopping trolley how often should you have the vac bag up the exhaust cleaned from $450 plus freight both ways after you've had it removed for cleaning?
http://www.overlandmechanicalservices.com.au/diesel_particulate_filter_cleaning?gclid=CJq6qdC7gsgCFUGUvQodbfYOHQ

[prodigyrf]

How could a firm like VW possibly believe they wouldn't be found out eventually and at what cost?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vw-scandal-how-four-students-uncovered-volkswagens-diesel-dodge/story-fni0fiyv-1227542286720
As a new car buyer you have to be really circumspect about buying any diesel now after that gobsmacking revelation.

[speewa158]

& l said to Fritz over a few  " Vot could possibly go wrong  "         

[gronk]

They reckon it could bankrupt the company !!   Even though the president that just resigned gets a 67 million dollar handshake ??

If you've got a VW that needs warranty work ( which ones don't ).....get in quick !!   

[speewa158]

This mob " They Reckon " seem well informed .l would do a runner if the package was something like that . Even a bit less would do 

[wakychapmans]

didn't I read somewhere that "Mr 4x4" himself (Pat Callinan) had switched from Nissan to VW?

[Peter8]

Without the engine issue, what of the wheels? I am still in utter disbelief that a mate pulled into my driveway with a top model Touareg (now he calls it ToeRag) and a leaking tyre. Builders nail in it so we go looking for the spare.
A FRIKKING POP UP SPACE SAVER!!!! 

Not just a space saver on a teeny rim, but it comes with a VW pump (hope it didn't pollute my air) that is needed to expand and pump the tyre up before using at low speed for short distance.
OMG.

Go out to your spare tyre today, check it is real, check the pressure, and hug it.

[edz]

didn't I read somewhere that "Mr 4x4" himself (Pat Callinan) had switched from Nissan to VW?

Yep !! some multy year deal to promote them...

[speewa158]

Hope he got paid up front      & not $ as you  go cause their Gone ,,,,,,,,

[hainess]

[time]

Without the engine issue, what of the wheels? I am still in utter disbelief that a mate pulled into my driveway with a top model Touareg (now he calls it ToeRag) and a leaking tyre. Builders nail in it so we go looking for the spare.
A FRIKKING POP UP SPACE SAVER!!!! 

...and when you change the tyre where do you put the full size flat one.  My Mrs Commodore came with the option of a can of foam and a tyre pump, a space saver or a full size alloy and tyre, we got the full size alloy for $0, they stuffed up the lease quote

[BTMNDR]

I'm stunned they're still advertising. There's no way I'd part with cash for a VW until this fiasco is resolved.  Even once it is, the stench might never go away.

[GeoffA]

........ the stench might never go away.

Time cures all.....they got over the connection with the Third Reich....

[dales133]

Realy we all break the rules seperating our rubbish, we buy cheaper fuel because it's cheaper not more efficient.... VW is being made out to be a leach on society and the banks ect never get called up.
Good on them for having a go ,bad on them for not taking pollution seriously but at least they will still keep running a car industry into the future and keeping tens of
Thousands of people in work without a lifetime of govt handouts and make quality cars unlike ford and holden that are going to just rebadge Shit from Shit companies like opel voxel and suspect American gm models.
If you condemned VW  for this you should a burned your holden when they sold you out on economics 

[prodigyrf]

Well dales, most affected owners probably won't be too concerned their VW diesel performs better than it would if it had to comply with the relevant jurisdictional NOx emission standards. Now presumably for many EU countries and US states like California that meant Adblue additive which keeps the catalytic converter to control NOx emissions clean and doing its mandated job. I was chatting to a diesel mech at the cara park and he mentioned Adblue is $1.65/L here but I forgot to ask how much diesels fitted with it consume. Anyone know as with DPF and EGR/inlet manifold clogging costs, the benefits of diesels are rapidly deteriorating for new purchasers now.

In that regard I heard an analyst on radio today saying he thought this VW scam situation had illuminated the problem of 'peak diesel' for all makers now. In Oz with around 50,000 of these cars already lawyers Maurice Blackburn have mooted a class action by consumers and the ACCC are rumbling too. He pointed out that Europe had encouraged diesels and as such European manufacturers were heavily invested in diesels whereas US in particular was more heavily invested in electric and hybrid cars. Thinking about that I'd conclude the US makers would have a strong incentive to back US EPA fines and restitution by a maker like VW in order to really strangle a global competitor, as if the regulators and greenies will need any encouragement here.

In that sense you can see that while most owners might be comfortable with their cheat cars, the regualtory authorities will demand they be brought up to standards and if that means performance suffers and/or suddenly owners are having to cop Adblue additive and they sense resale/trade-in prices will suffer then they'll naturally demand compensation from VW on top of the fines. All in all it's a disaster not just for VW owners directly affected but diesels altogether. That's where I think 'peak diesel' is a very apt descriptor here.

[GeoffA]

None of this hoo-haa with a TD42T.....

[speewa158]

An Olde but A Goodie                               

[gronk]

but at least they will still keep running a car industry into the future and keeping tens of
Thousands of people in work

If I was one of those tens of thousands, right about now I'd be worried !!   

[dales133]

True.
But they will come out of this ok,its such an iconic brand

[KingBilly]

Rumours on social media that BMW may have done something similar 

KB

[edz]

Rumours on social media that BMW may have done something similar 

KB

Bet their not the only ones either ! .