Superiority Complex with 4WD's

[Pog]

I don't consider myself to be a brand snob, but I look down at anyone who doesn't drive a Toyota 

[Jakster1]

No reply I see?? Cannot be that expensive to repair eh

I didn't even bother to reply that is why.
Defenders are good offroad, don't get me wrong.
Go price up some genuine parts for defender against a patrol, cruiser, hilux etc...
And also goto a euro tune up place that does factory servicing and get a few prices there too.
And then try to source some parts when they break.
Nightmare!!

Oh and I'm not brand loyal I CURRENTLY have a Nissan AND A Toyota.
I've had a hilux, rodeo, jackaroo, couple of fords, challenger, Pajero and a rocky so no I'm not brand bias, I just drive what i have proven to go the best offroad in 4WD.
Not to mention Hondas, suzukis, KTMs and Yamaha bikes.
People can drive whatever they want and good for them, what works well for one persons ideas of a good 4WD is completely different to other.
Some like rock crawling others mud slinging, some like beach runs, dunes, rocks, creeks, boulders, mountains, shopping Center car parks, schools, posing whatever.

A Mazda 6 is probably nicer, more relaxed and comfortable car  to drive down to the shops that a Lamborghini murciallago, dosent mean that is a better road car tho does it.

[Jakster1]

Jeep Rubicon
FACTORY front and rear lockers
FACTORY front and rear Dana 44 diffs
FACTORY electric swaybar disconnects
FACTORY 5 link live axle coil suspension front and rear
FACTORY 32" tyres
EPIC approach, departure, ramp over angles from the FACTORY
FACTORY 2" lift as an option
MOPAR front and rear bars and rock sliders all offered as FACTORY OPTIONS

I'd say it was "up to scratch" and "out of the box capableof constantly driving hard tracks" wouldn't you?

And all backed by FACTORY warranty

JEEP probably are backed by the best offering of aftermarket parts available to any 4WD on the market.
There is a company in the US that modifies some pretty awesome ones for sale.
http://www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/jeep/moab-2013/2-wrangler-recon.html
WHY? Because out if the box they must not be upto scratch by the enthusiasts and need modifying to make them more capable.
I actually very nearly bought a 4door jeep but the missus hated driving it on the test  and they were too small for what we wanted so that why we don't have one.

[noel_w]

I don't consider myself to be a brand snob, but I look down at anyone who doesn't drive a Toyota 

Is that because you are not game to drive it down a hill?

[Pog]

Is that because you are not game to drive it down a hill?

More like, they can't get up the hill to join me....

[gclan]

All I can say is thank God the Jeep Rubicon doesn't have more room and come in diesel, or we'd have one

[Swogjb]

Maybe in a woollies car park...try comparing it in the bush....bzzzzz...fail.....but a nice car none the less...did you also get your custom made oil tank to fit in the back....lol

Sorry just banter.


Really, they are a nice shopping trolley....oops i mean 4wd.....

Brand loyal....hmmm

I was a very happy GU Nissan Patrol 4.2L TD owner.
Time come to trade her in.  Nissan in their wisdom dropped the 4.2 and the 3L hand grenade was the only option.  WTF

Nissan got it so very wrong. I'm not into self destructing motors.
So I'll guess I will have to put up with the sound and power of the V8 200 series.
Life's tough

I never got the custom oil tank option as  I have never needed it. She doesn't use a drop.

[dazzler]

  Nissan in their wisdom dropped the 4.2 and the 3L hand grenade was the only option.  WTF

Nissan got it so very wrong. I'm not into self destructing motors.

While ever we are blinded to diesels we forget the Patrol 4800 petrol.  During the life cycle of the vehicle the extra costs are negligible and these things hammer. 

We stuff around with chips and exhausts to get our TD's to get out of their own way, worry the injectors will go spaz and dump the exxon valdez into number 3 and then quibble over more fuel use from the petrol that does it better than the lot of them.

(V8 TTD aside )

[whatsa]

Yeah...
I don't get it....
if it does what you want and you're happy that's enough.

Funny at easter in the high country Half the diesels did not start ... landies and toyos.

No one was interested in a jump start from a SsangYong as their batteries were gone after 3-4 tries.

Just shows how entrenched the mindset is I guess.

Mines been fine other than its over aggressive systems monitoring that can kick in limp mode ( a few times.)
but I get home I am not stranded broken down so....?

Hopefully the prices will drop to near US prices soon so people wont feel like a total Putz for paying that much for something not that much different in reality.

if you want a real 4x4 go get a unimog.

[Ozsnowman]

Looks at the Great Wall 4x2 in the driveway and backs away slowly 

[Marcus73]

Looks at the Great Wall 4x2 in the driveway and backs away slowly 

Lol


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[Cruiser 105Tvan]

We were so so close to ordering one but there simply wasn't enough room in the rear, my fridge wouldn't even fit, so we went with the defender instead. But would have a rubicon in a heart beat if we weren't using it for touring. Will be upgrading the wife's car in the next  12 months,  and a rubicon is high on the list, or a defender 90 
« Last Edit: May 17, 2014, 09:32:15 PM by komaterpillar »


Better get the Defender while you can then.
Not having SRS Airbags didn't do it for me.
Having to open the driver's door window, when closing the door, wasn't much help either.
No the vehicle isn't air tight like a VW Beetle.
I had to stick my elbow out the window when closing the door.
It's  either that or bump heads with the passenger as you lean in while closing the door.

[whatsa]

Yeah heard some odd things about GWalls don't know how widespread that is or just the few with problems.

The New Mahindra pikup looks interesting -lol
at least it doesn't have a DPF...
and it really needs the Mahindra bullbar to look normal.

But that's the thing I think a 23k car you will beat the shyt out of it and not think twice about it.

my 4x4 is raked to hell and a few dings too I plan on killing it and having as much fun as possible.

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

They'll be making Land Rovers in India soon, you'll see.

[weeds]

I didn't even bother to reply that is why.
Defenders are good offroad, don't get me wrong.
Go price up some genuine parts for defender against a patrol, cruiser, hilux etc...
And also goto a euro tune up place that does factory servicing and get a few prices there too.
And then try to source some parts when they break.
Nightmare!!

Oh and I'm not brand loyal I CURRENTLY have a Nissan AND A Toyota.
I've had a hilux, rodeo, jackaroo, couple of fords, challenger, Pajero and a rocky so no I'm not brand bias, I just drive what i have proven to go the best offroad in 4WD.
Not to mention Hondas, suzukis, KTMs and Yamaha bikes.
People can drive whatever they want and good for them, what works well for one persons ideas of a good 4WD is completely different to other.
Some like rock crawling others mud slinging, some like beach runs, dunes, rocks, creeks, boulders, mountains, shopping Center car parks, schools, posing whatever.

A Mazda 6 is probably nicer, more relaxed and comfortable car  to drive down to the shops that a Lamborghini murciallago, dosent mean that is a better road car tho does it.

soo you have never owned a landie.......I have never experienced any issues getting parts for mine and repair costs seem comparable with other brands I have owned.........but than again I have only owned an 82 hilux and 47 series cruiser to compare against, both gave me more grief than my current ride

agree that we all drive what we drive for our own reasons...........

[dazzler]

The funny thing about Land Rovers is the 'weirdness' of what goes wrong.

Like those bloody three amigos in the 2000 ish models.

Or the stupid bloody chime that used to go off if you hadn't had the cassette player heads 'cleaned' by a certain time on the 1998 models.

That may be part of the charm.....LOL 

At least Patrols and Prados just disintegrate their engines....

[Aaron Schubert]

At the end of the day, if it does what you want it to, you have the best 4WD!

Aaron

[komaterpillar]

Better get the Defender while you can then.
Not having SRS Airbags didn't do it for me.
Having to open the driver's door window, when closing the door, wasn't much help either.
No the vehicle isn't air tight like a VW Beetle.
I had to stick my elbow out the window when closing the door.
It's  either that or bump heads with the passenger as you lean in while closing the door.

got a brand spanker at the end of last year, had it for 5 months now and love it. I drive a 79 series cruiser ute for work and although it does every thing its supposed to and is comfortable and is "car like" to drive its just not fun and engaging.
the defender is rough, noisy, and some of its ergonomics are a little questionable, but I find it fun and a more stimulating experience altogether and that is why I like it. But in saying that if I had the extra 25k to drop on a car when we were looking I would have bought a 76series GXL 4 door troopy for sure. But at the time the Defender was $50500 drive away straight off the boat from the UK with Leather, vinyl floors and premium sound so that's the path we took.

What I don't get with cruisers is your paying 70+k for a car with no power windows, no cup holders and ac is a $2000 option - not standard. Whats with that?

I am in noway brand loyal. I could care less what badge is on the front as long as I like driving it and it does what I want it to do its all good. What I hate is blanket statements about a particular make or model from people who have no real life experience with them and some who have never even sat in one let alone owned and lived with one.

[dazzler]

But at the time the Defender was $50500 drive away straight off the boat from the UK with Leather, vinyl floors and premium sound so that's the path we took.

That is some serious value.   

[komaterpillar]

That is some serious value.   

That's what I thought. Purchase price coupled with 24 000km service intervals (yeah you read it right 24 000km, 8.5 litre sump on a 2.2 litre engine) I don't get why people go on about Defenders being expensive to purchase, maintain and repair. If you buy parts for them in Australia it can be expensive but no dearer than a Toyota/Nissan/Mitsubishi. And if you buy parts from the UK from sites like http://www.lrdirect.com/ it works out cheaper again even with freight to Oz. all you have to know is OEM part numbers and lrdirect gives you the option of Genuine, aswell as 4-5 aftermarket suppliers. Everything I've bought from the UK has been on my door step within 4 days.

example - genuine front mud flaps, local dealer wanted $180 for the pair of front ones alone with fitting kit and a week to get them in. Got a full set of 4, fronts and rears, with fitting kits from lrdirect for $210 including freight. Ordered on Tuesday morning, received on following Friday

[DaveR]

example - genuine front mud flaps, local dealer wanted $180 for the pair of front ones alone with fitting kit and a week to get them in. Got a full set of 4, fronts and rears, with fitting kits from lrdirect for $210 including freight. Ordered on Tuesday morning, received on following Friday

Looking at the way you park it, you may need a few more..... 

[swanny]

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[swanny]

What I hate is blanket statements about a particular make or model from people who have no real life experience with them and some who have never even sat in one let alone owned and lived with one.

Couldn't agree more....!!!!

[Cruiser 105Tvan]

 komaterpillar
« on: Today at 02:32:24 PM »

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"I am in no way brand loyal. I could care less what badge is on the front as long as I like driving it and it does what I want it to do its all good. What I hate is blanket statements about a particular make or model from people who have no real life experience with them and some who have never even sat in one let alone owned and lived with one."

Neither am I Ok.
It comes down to whatever floats your boat.
My experiences were owning 2 x Ser. 2A, a Ser. 3 and using a County and Defender Auto at work.
As well as Driving a Range Rover around for a couple of days.

[Team Evil]

I have an 1989 Patrol carby 4.2 with 523000 on the clock, luv it.
Just bought a 2010 V6 Turbo diesel Cruiser 76 with 68000 on the clock. luv it .

Would like the stability of the Patrol and the rear diff on the cruiser though.

But if I want to go for a cruise on the road , I move the trucks and get the BMW 528 out for a spin.

Brand snob, no.

Brand proud yes.