This camper looks very familiar

[oldmate]

Agree with comments re chinese etc etc....

But I just can't believe how far back the wheels are.
That's a lot of weight over the front end. Pretty much all the weight.
Hope you have a good tractor to tow it.....

Cheers
Brian

Have you seen a KK or As or Cc?  Their wheels are all in about the same spot. But yes it adds to the ball weight

[gronk]

The trouble with the el cheapo ching chong campers is not the fact they are cheap, it's the poor uneducated people who are attracted by the price and all the fancy looking extras who don't know what they are getting themselves into.

If a salesman says it's an offroad trailer, 80% of people are going to believe him.

The same 80% are not going to lie on the ground and look at the most important bit...the chassis.

$25,000 is a lot of money and that same 80% are expecting to get a quality trailer, but until something breaks, they will think that's what has happened.

[Bird]

The trouble with the el cheapo ching chong campers is not the fact they are cheap, it's the poor uneducated people who are attracted by the price and all the fancy looking extras who don't know what they are getting themselves into.

If a salesman says it's an offroad trailer, 80% of people are going to believe him.

The same 80% are not going to lie on the ground and look at the most important bit...the chassis.

$25,000 is a lot of money and that same 80% are expecting to get a quality trailer, but until something breaks, they will think that's what has happened.

[muzza01]

Cool. Another OZ verses China Camper Trailer thread.  yawn

[Bird]

Cool. Another OZ verses China Camper Trailer thread.  yawn

[Banjo16]

Good point Muzza.

[gronk]

I wasn't trying to turn it back into a bashing thread, just trying to point out why this market is flourishing.......people getting sucked in by perceived quality/price and not knowing what they are getting themselves into..

People who are switched on  and know what they are paying for is all OK, but most people who don't visit a site like this and are not switched on/alert etc are the ones who get stung and it's a shame as they don't know any better..

[Banjo16]

Well sorry but it's starting to sound like it.
As has been said before his thread has been done to death before,if someone is happy to camp in there "Chinese  Cheapy " so what. I will still enjoy camping and have the same fun as the expensive guys.

[gronk]

Well sorry but it's starting to sound like it.
As has been said before his thread has been done to death before,if someone is happy to camp in there "Chinese  Cheapy " so what. I will still enjoy camping and have the same fun as the expensive guys.

And that has never been a problem, and it sounds like you know full well what you have bought......but a lot of people have bought a cheap camper....been very happy with the purchase....hit the outback in there "offroad" camper and been disappointed when it broke down on them..

This site has never been about what I've got compared to what the "poor" people have got....it's a camping forum and the chinese debate is more about the quality you get for your money, not how much money you actually spent.

[McGirr]

Facts:

people will buy what they can afford

People will buy imported products

People will complain whatever they buy

People will always be told to buy Australian from people who buy imported products 

People will criticize what people buy

People will expect more out their purchase no matter what they pay

People never understand why other people buy what they do

People will always justify what they have bought

People have to understand we are all different

People will always have opinions

Now lets get back to talking camping 

Mark

[LuckyDog]

Agree there McGirr

[discoteddy]

Facts:

people will buy what they can afford

People will buy imported products

People will complain whatever they buy

People will always be told to buy Australian from people who buy imported products 

People will criticize what people buy

People will expect more out their purchase no matter what they pay

People never understand why other people buy what they do

People will always justify what they have bought

People have to understand we are all different

People will always have opinions

Now lets get back to talking camping 

Mark

Cheers,

Disco teddy.

[Oldandslow]

Reminds me of a quote from Charles Alvey, the maker of the famous Alvey fishing reels when someone asked him about the loyal fan base his reels enjoyed. He said Australians will always support his reels until someone makes them for a dollar cheaper.

[oldmate]

Facts:

people will buy what they can afford

People will buy imported products

People will complain whatever they buy

People will always be told to buy Australian from people who buy imported products 

People will criticize what people buy

People will expect more out their purchase no matter what they pay

People never understand why other people buy what they do

People will always justify what they have bought

People have to understand we are all different

People will always have opinions

Now lets get back to talking camping 

Mark

did someone say camping?, where we going?

[Shelbyright]

I think the lastnthing the Chinese actually invented themselves was fireworks.

Should have tariffs on this kinda crap.

And we shouldnt sell the farm to them either. Biggest threat to us all i reckon.

[mickmac42]

Having started this thread, i feel compelled to weigh in on this matter. My reason for posting was to bring awareness to the fact that we have a well known Australian company who have invested a lot of money in designing and developing and manufacturing what is an icon among the camper trailer world. Then a Chinese company make a blatant copy and are able to sell it into the Australian market at a significantly reduced price. This is offensive to me and i'm astonished that it can be allowed.

There are many people who can't afford a KK but who may be able to afford the Chinese camper, and so the Chinese are not actually taking any market share away from KK because they were never potential KK customers to begin with. Frankly i have no issue with the camper being Chinese made. I don't care if the construction is rubbish, or they use cheap materials. It makes no difference if the thing falls apart in a heap on its first trip out. That's an issue for the buyer to address before they hand over any money. Where a product is manufactured is no indication of quality. There are plenty of well made products coming out of China, and there is plenty of crap being made in Australia.

What really grinds my gears is that while manufacturing and innovation in Australia is struggling we let ANY company - be it Australian or Chinese - make a blatant copy of an Australian product and sell it at a reduced price. High cost of materials and labour make us uncompetitive. We simply can't have cheap products that are also designed and made in Australia to a high standard.

Maybe there's more to the story though. Perhaps KK licenced their design to the Chinese company so that they could profit without having to deal with any quality control issues. That's just what i'd do so i could gain more market share. Just my two cents.

Mike

[Banjo16]

I was hoping this whole thing was dead & buried.

[Footy Shorts Shane]

did someone say camping?, where we going?

Inskip this weekend, coming?

[oldmate]

Inskip this weekend, coming?

i wish mate. busy already. but heading the the winch challenge at the springs in a few weeks for something different

[woolgoolgaoffroad]

lol

[fluids]

I was hoping this whole thing was dead & buried.

Sorry ... My fault ... New boy on the block .... Reading older posts. Couldn't resist! First hand experience.

Looked at this one, toured the KK factory the following day, ordered a KK.

MOVE ALONG!!! NOTHING TO SEE HERE !! 

[oldmate]

Sorry ... My fault ... New boy on the block .... Reading older posts. Couldn't resist! First hand experience.

Looked at this one, toured the KK factory the following day, ordered a KK.

MOVE ALONG!!! NOTHING TO SEE HERE !! 

Bloody newbies 

[chazer101]

lol

Hi Kev did you end up keeping yours? I looked at your blog and wondered if they are recent photos. Cheers Charlie

[woolgoolgaoffroad]

Hi Kev did you end up keeping yours? I looked at your blog and wondered if they are recent photos. Cheers Charlie

hey Charlie..
no got rid of it for those obvious reasons.... sold it for half what i paid for it and spent on it....
its been gone for about 3-4 weeks now

[Homer_Jay]

I am all for pay a bit extra and buy quality, and I preach it to the Mrs all the time.

But, many of her friends have purchase cheap Chinese horse floats over the last five or six years, and I have bagged them out (to the mrs, not the the people) for doing so, cheap this cheap that  rust here, wheels fall off there, blah blah blah. The reality is, that not one of them has had any dramas. None have fallen apart or wheels fell off or anything else for that matter. So egg on my face now!

The only thing I can say now, is resale will be crap!

Oh, and ask yourself this, what bearings are in my Australian made camper? Did they put cheap Chinese bearings in? Or did they spring an extra couple of dollars per wheel and put  quality Timken bearings in?