Asylum Seekers claim to have been beaten by Navy - what do you think?

[Jenko67]

The whole asylum seekers by boat thing is a scam and their supporters *won't* see through the charade, or are actively *choosing* to be part of it.

Yes, the greens and the opposition should hang their heads in shame for believing the lies told by Indonesia... Absolute disgrace..

[chookduck]

Great article in the Telegraph the other day by Jason Morrison titled "Indonesia - when we're sorry, it's not enough. When we're generous, we need to try harder".  read the full article here http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/indonesia-when-were-sorry-its-not-enough-when-were-generous-we-need-to-try-harder/story-fni0cwl5-1226806143020  but my favourite paragraphs were the last two:

"Operation Sovereign Borders is only happening because it was the will of the voters at the last election. I know democracy matters little when you're a world- renowned expert on everything, like Senator Sarah Hanson-Young. Perhaps she should be on commission from Jakarta because she's saying all the things they wouldn't dare.

Many in this country are sick and tired of the one-way street with Indonesia. There is seemingly no pleasing them unless it's everything they want and how they want it."

[briann532]

I think what a lot of people choose to forget when using the, "we were the original asylum seekers " or "we invaded here first" argument, is that we didn't exactly come here on the Love Boat. Most were convicts dragged here in chains. For those who came later as immigrants, they came here to be Australians and embrace the way of life. They worked their buts off to get ahead and make a difference in this country. Now it seems Australia is the easy way to settle in with no intention of assimilation or hard work and all the while receiving generous government handouts while trying to bring in the very culture that has caused them to want to 'escape' their own country.

Now thats well said.........
And pretty much exactly whats happening.

[briann532]

Great article in the Telegraph the other day by Jason Morrison titled "Indonesia - when we're sorry, it's not enough. When we're generous, we need to try harder".  read the full article here http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/indonesia-when-were-sorry-its-not-enough-when-were-generous-we-need-to-try-harder/story-fni0cwl5-1226806143020  but my favourite paragraphs were the last two:

"Operation Sovereign Borders is only happening because it was the will of the voters at the last election. I know democracy matters little when you're a world- renowned expert on everything, like Senator Sarah Hanson-Young. Perhaps she should be on commission from Jakarta because she's saying all the things they wouldn't dare.

Many in this country are sick and tired of the one-way street with Indonesia. There is seemingly no pleasing them unless it's everything they want and how they want it."

I am struggling to understand how they can even speak to us the way they do when they receive so much foreign aid from us.
If I  had a say in parliament, I'd say, fine then, don't like us. We'll send the money to someone who does.
How's them apples???

[muzza01]

I am struggling to understand how they can even speak to us the way they do when they receive so much foreign aid from us.
If I  had a say in parliament, I'd say, fine then, don't like us. We'll send the money to someone who does.
How's them apples???

You get my vote!

[Pog]

I am struggling to understand how they can even speak to us the way they do when they receive so much foreign aid from us.
If I  had a say in parliament, I'd say, fine then, don't like us. We'll send the money to someone who does.
How's them apples???

[achjimmy]

I am no apologist for Indonesia. Pages back you can see my thoughts on how they are playing us, but keep in mind with foriegn aid there is many ways to give it. And all though it's measured monetarily together it's different. When you are donating it to say schools in Indonesia your doing it with conditions and using it to support moderate Islamic teachings. If the US had of kept up a minimal portion of a Aid to Afghanistan after the war with Russia you may never of seen the Taliban! And we don't want Islamic crazies in our doorstep?

Military aid has other advantages. When our troops hit the ground in Timor whilst the TNi (Indonesian military) were still there. It was the officers who had worked with these guys through aid and exercises that negotiated the peaceful transfer (peaceful for our troops)

Aid for aid sake is rarely given and when it does like in a natural disaster or helping displaced in Syria we should contribute what we can afford as a nation.

[Hairs]

Really can't see our Boys harming asylum seekers, I call it BS from all those that are dealing in this FUD.
Once upon a time Australia use to kick arse, not lick it.

[BBwilly]

I am struggling to understand how they can even speak to us the way they do when they receive so much foreign aid from us.
If I  had a say in parliament, I'd say, fine then, don't like us. We'll send the money to someone who does.
How's them apples???

From what I understand they are a significant trade partner the money we give them for aid that builds schools is quite small so to lose them as a trade partner would be very costly indeed something we don't need.
When it comes to foreign affairs this government is so lacking it almost comical, anyone see his speech yesterday when he was referring to "baddies and goodies" it was embarrassing to watch.

As for the RAN, did this happen well I very much doubt it but without an investigation how do we prove to the world that it didn't at the moment all we have is Morrison saying it didn't (can trust him at all) and the head of the RAN sending out a tweet, I understand we are all new age and everything but a flapping tweet?

Why the hell we are in their waters I have no idea as well, will have to wait from my nephew to get back to get an answer on that one I think he is due back next month.   

[alnjan]

The boat people are desperate people and obviously will go to great lengths to get what they want, even holding onto a boiling pipe to get blisters

[camper48]

probably beat them up so they wont come back to australia

[Pog]

They should to to England - They cant beat anyone!

[Bird]

I am struggling to understand how they can even speak to us the way they do when they receive so much foreign aid from us.
If I  had a say in parliament, I'd say, fine then, don't like us. We'll send the money to someone who does.
How's them apples???

I'd stop all foreign aid.

probably beat them up so they wont come back to australia

Lets hope it works.


honestly who cares if the navy did it. I don't.

[muzza01]

They should to to England - They cant beat anyone!

[Benduro]

I'd stop all foreign aid.

Lets hope it works.


honestly who cares if the navy did it. I don't.

We are citizens of the world, not just Australia! As such we have responsibilities, foreign aid being one.
I'd like the confidence of knowing other countries would be willing to help us if the need arose.

[muzza01]

We are citizens of the world, not just Australia! As such we have responsibilities, foreign aid being one.
I'd like the confidence of knowing other countries would be willing to help us if the need arose.

True but Indonesia wouldn't give us the steam of their sh!t.

[ozbogwam]

The majority of illegals, very different to asylum seekers, are people overstaying their visas. These are people who fly in on a plane not risking life or limb coming by a crappy boat. Why is there no uproar about that, why haven't ACA and TT got all the mindless drones screaming at the tv about that?

[ozbogwam]

I don't care who comes to live in Australia, just leave your bu11sh1t behind.


Couldn't agree more.

Except most of the bullShit is from here not from the immigrants

[Barry G]

Except most of the bull**** is from here not from the immigrants

Exactly, those coming from Afghanistan, for example, are escaping religious persecution.
As such they would be likely to support tolerance.  It is those whom they are fleeing who are the intolerant.

[nelso]

Except most of the bull**** is from here not from the immigrants

That's gold. If we are already here we have no bu11sh1t to leave behind - what you are referring to is a reflection of our country today, therefore you are saying we are mostly bu11sh1t.

Interesting.

[ozbogwam]

That's gold. If we are already here we have no bu11sh1t to leave behind - what you are referring to is a reflection of our country today, therefore you are saying we are mostly bu11sh1t.

Interesting.

That makes no sense

[rockman]

True but Indonesia wouldn't give us the steam of their sh!t.

lol ... tell me how you really feel ?

[Bird]

True but Indonesia wouldn't give us the steam of their sh!t.

and most of the others couldn't afford to give us the paper to wipe our arses with... not that most of them seem to appreciate the money in the first place. Nor are any of them a power if it came to war.

[olddigger]

I've got a growing feeling that we might have to give these buggers a quick whack before they get too big for their foreign-aid subsidised boots.
They're talking tough, but they do not have the military organisation to support the veiled threats they've been making. They don't even have the fuel for the ship they want to use to confront us over people smugglers.
A quick pre-emptive air strike on parts of Jakarta might get the message across and show them that we mean business.

Cheers, Tony

[grafy82]

Exactly, those coming from Afghanistan, for example, are escaping religious persecution.
As such they would be likely to support tolerance.  It is those whom they are fleeing who are the intolerant.

Escaping religious persecution? Funny how they then try and bring their religion in over here and force it into our culture. And support tolerance, ha. If they come over here and want to build a mosque, we say ah yes that's OK, whatever you want to do, here's some more money to help with that. If we went over there and said we want to build a church, bang, we'd be shot dead in a heartbeat.