Why is it that Land rover can build a Defender that...

[mrdenn1s]

...has coils all round and has a payload of over 1 tonne, yet other manufacturers either:

1) Give you a ute with 1 tonne but you get leaf suspension; or
2) Yet get coils but a reduced payload of maybe 650kg if you are lucky

That is just shizen

[Bird]

how can that be though.. 9 out of 10 landrovers ever sold are still on the road.





The other one made it home

[Black-Pig]

It also has the seating position of a truck, and feels like it when you drive one!
Although the old TD5 90 Series (short wheel base) was pretty nippy around my uncles farm in the UK...

[mrdenn1s]

*clap clap*

Question still stands though

[austastar]

Hi,
  my 130 cab chassis has a capacity of 1.7 tonne, can legally have a 3m long tray, and cost $39,000 new three years ago.


Mr T and Mr N just weren't in the race.


I'm a very happy camper.


cheers

[Spurio]

It is because ... according to today tonight ..... everyone is getting fatter and they need to transfer the weight carrying capacity from the tray to the cab 

[rodw]

...has coils all round and has a payload of over 1 tonne, yet other manufacturers either:

1) Give you a ute with 1 tonne but you get leaf suspension; or
2) Yet get coils but a reduced payload of maybe 650kg if you are lucky

That is just shizen

Cos the Landy is not made in Thailand silly!

Might sound crazy but there are huge tax breaks in Thailand for the manufacturers if they build utes with leaf springs and drum brakes! That's why they all have them! Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Ford are all made there!

[mrdenn1s]

Cos the Landy is not made in Thailand silly!

Might sound crazy but there are huge tax breaks in Thailand for the manufacturers if they build utes with leaf springs and drum brakes! That's why they all have them! Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, Ford are all made there!

Really?

Why is that?

[TheWall]

I have a slightly different take on this.

The Defender carries on from the sixties and was never meant to be car for 'town' use. It is built for a particular purpose and simply is a pig to drive as a daily driver- I used to manage a Land Rover sales yard to I feel I am able to 'defend' my position here. It also cannot comply with safety regs and is particularly poor in side impacts as the seats are actually outside any real protection.

More modern uses are designed for daily use and are much better and safer for daily application...

So, my two cents...buy what will suit your main purpose. The Triton/lux/ranger brigade are like cross trainers in shoes...not specifically awesome at anything but good enough at a wide range of activities to give offer flexibility to use both as a daily driver and adventure vehicle.

If you want a car that can carry a truck, don't expect it to be great at other uses.

Matt

[rodw]

Really?

Why is that?

Don't really know, you'd have to ask the Thai Government about the tax situation but it has been a hugely successful policy in attracting global manufacturing to their country.

There is something about the Defender. Every time I see one I want one but I think it would be a recipe for divorce! They are not renowned for comfort but are built for purpose, not to maximise sales opportunities. They really deserve to live 1000 km from the bitumen in their natural habitat. Set me free!

[mrdenn1s]

I have a slightly different take on this.

The Defender carries on from the sixties and was never meant to be car for 'town' use. It is built for a particular purpose and simply is a pig to drive as a daily driver- I used to manage a Land Rover sales yard to I feel I am able to 'defend' my position here. It also cannot comply with safety regs and is particularly poor in side impacts as the seats are actually outside any real protection.

More modern uses are designed for daily use and are much better and safer for daily application...

So, my two cents...buy what will suit your main purpose. The Triton/lux/ranger brigade are like cross trainers in shoes...not specifically awesome at anything but good enough at a wide range of activities to give offer flexibility to use both as a daily driver and adventure vehicle.

If you want a car that can carry a truck, don't expect it to be great at other uses.

Matt

Matt

I'm not defending the case for the defender (sorry)

I asking why one manufacturer can give us coil sprung 1 tonne payload wagons and everyone else seems incapable of even getting close

[Steffo1]

A mate of mine last year posed this question to a then recently retired Toyota suit & the reply was........" It's what you people have asked for!!"
I've said an another forum that if I was spending $80-$100 grand (or more) on a so called 4x4, I'd want it to perform like they're advertised, not have to throw another 10-20 grand at it to bring it up to scratch. Just look at the factory tyres. Not much different to a Camry!
It's why both my 4x4 are '90s models.
Steve

[UIZ733]

Why would the Japs (they have the monopoly) bother changing anything? Their current designs are walking out the door and the consumer seems happy.
Laughing all the way to the bank. Easy.

[Steffo1]

Laughing all the way to the bank. Easy.

As are the "After Market" brigade one would think although it may be more cut throat than I realise as I very rarely need their services. (Touch wood)

[Bird]

I asking why one manufacturer can give us coil sprung 1 tonne payload wagons and everyone else seems incapable of even getting close

The majority of Yota/Missan/Nitzabushi/etc the majority take sweety to tennis once a week...
1% of them ever see off road. So they build them to what the market asks for.


As someone else said the Dudfender is unchanged since 1860, it sells, it was built for a purpose. That's why none of them take sweety to tennis or lite soy mocca latte' with artificial sweeteners with the ladies on Thursdays.
IT doesn't sell 1000's a year, its just the offroad version of the $20,000,000 Latte' Rover.

[austastar]

Yep, the D130 has the turning circle of the Ark Royal, and it is not at home in a suburban parking lot.
Nobody, but nobody has dared to drive into it though, more than I can say for our little Corolla.


Where do you park a defender ute with a towbar on one end, steel side steps and a bull bar on the front??


Any where you want!


cheers

[Black-Pig]

Where do you park a defender ute with a towbar on one end, steel side steps and a bull bar on the front??

At the mechanics?

[Swannie]

Why is it that when I look at the defender I know its so old skool yet want one?

Swannie

[austastar]

At the mechanics?

Yep, every 10,000 km for an oil change.


cheers

[Steffo1]

Why is it that when I look at the defender I know its so old skool yet want one?

Swannie

Impeccable taste in a TRUE 4X4.
Not one with the MAMIL bike racks on the rear or "Such & Such School Rowing"
What a bunch of tools!

[corynmelnkids]

I would love to own one but the wife has clearly stated NO.

[Swannie]

I would love to own one but the wife has clearly stated NO.

I must be unique my wife is saying the defender is the one I should be buying!!

[mrdenn1s]

The way I see it, buy a Patrol or LandCruiser...

add a winch
roof racks
bull bar
fridge
people
fuel
other bits for camping....

You exceed the weight limits

Buy a defender, do what you want.

Can we have 1 tonne rating coils on the Jap cars please??

[GregS]

Would love a defender but auto isn't an option.

[Bird]

The way I see it, buy a Patrol or LandCruiser...

add a winch
roof racks
bull bar
fridge
people
fuel
other bits for camping....

You exceed the weight limits

Buy a defender, do what you want.

Can we have 1 tonne rating coils on the Jap cars please??

Get a GVM increase fitted before you buy the new 4b... Patrols can go 3500 with GVM kit. But your stuck with a Shit tiny high strung engine.