Local country market bans dogs on leash - interested in your thoughts

[Symon]

and join the caravaner's forum:-)

Hey hey hey, let's not go overboard here!!!

I am not a dog owner but do care for guide dogs in final training and am also an emergency boarder for working guide dogs, I never have any hesitation about taking any dogs (guide dogs) that are in my care anywhere (that I am legally allowed under the act), I hear all sorts of comments and am very rarely challenged, the hardest time I regularly have is stopping people from petting a working dog

Guide dogs are a totally different story, they are extremely well trained and will not cause an incident.  However a dog owned by Joe Average would not have anywhere near the same level of training, so cannot be trusted the same way.

[Bird]

but I am pushing the point with our council and the Scout Group that a bit more thought could have been given to every member of our community and not just a blanket ban on some.

So ban everyone else's dog but yours?
Are you saying some dogs should be allowed and others not? How do you select which dogs are ok? You cant, or --->> that bloke will complain that yours is allowed and his isn't.

Its known as firm faeces.

[Mace]

As a dog owner/lover:

I am aware that most markets have a no dogs policy.

I would never take my dog to a market anyway

I go to markets to enjoy myself and have a look around, not to keep my dog from interacting with other mutts.

[scarps]

Hi Lost, no not looking for special dispensation for just my dog, more disappointed that people with any dog (large or small, well behaved or not, cute or ugly) were being disadvantaged without any thought for our needs/desire to attend what to date has been a community event. I'm respectful of everyone's opinion, hence why I asked. Having said that, not sure your last line is necessary correct but again, I asked and welcomed your thoughts. From my perspective (and one or two others on here), what made the event a little bit special was that to date everyone could come. There was a couple of times that some locals rode their horses in, tied them safely up in one area. It was a place where once a month all members of the local community could get together.
I've accepted that a bustling market is no longer a place to bring dogs and again, thanks all for your thoughts.

[scott oz]

I must say after a bit of world travel Australia is probably one of the most unfriendly dog countries in the world.

Yes dogs, and some owners, need to be controlled. Likewise parents need to take responsibility for watching little "Johnny".  When little Johnny runs up and gives the dog a bear hug it's all the dog owners fault.

Conversely when little Johnny runs off screaming to the parent because he's seen a dog and the parent decides it's all the dog/owners fault because their child is scared of "dogs". Welcome to the real world.

Both sides have a "responsibility to each other". Unfortunately IMHO we have a media driving a vendetta against "dogs".  Usually by breed, Staffy being the current hate.

The sad fact is when there is a tragedy the majority parents usually look to blame someone else.

Unfortunately the Courts don't have the power to ban people from owning or living in a house with doges nor do the Courts seem inclined to hand out harsh penalties to irresponsible owners with the powers they have.

The tragedy in Vic where the dogs killed a young kid and the owner is being charged with manslaughter is what should happen. Sadly these individuals will/likely still be able to own or live in a house where someone else owns the dog.

Fortunately these type of events are very rare. Which is a credit to great number of dog owners and a reality check for others?

Councils are full of public servants charged with and have the ability to "control" our lives.

[dazzler]

Councils are full of public servants charged with and have the ability to "control" our lives.

Crap.

[scarps]

Thnx for the post Scott Oz, appreciate your thoughts(mostly). 
Our local council here is very supportive of animals and pets and are actually trying to help me where they can.
How many councils do swaggers know have someone checking their community FB page on the weekend? 
Mine did and replied honestly and empathetically.

[Swannie]

Lets get back to camping

[nickandbron]

Why not ban kids while they're at it? Dirty little buggers touch everything with their grubby little fingers and run around causing chaos. Only a matter of time before someone gets hurt. 

[Barry G]

Crap.

X 2.   Rates pay for us to implement the rules and regulations, usually set by state gov't, with "equity and good conscience".
We don't just 'make it up', sometimes we mightn't even agree with it.

[D4D]

X 2.   Rates pay for us to implement the rules and regulations, usually set by state gov't, with "equity and good conscience".
We don't just 'make it up', sometimes we mightn't even agree with it.

and sometimes rate payers don't agree with increased rates for fewer services but let's not go there...

[Barry G]

More than likely it for the health and hygiene perspective , under the food act animals are not permitted where food is sold.  ... I love dogs and I would never consider taking a dog into a public area full of people.

On this basis dogs would also be banned from most shopping strips where food is food is consumed at on-street tables.

[Barry G]

and sometimes rate payers don't agree with increased rates for fewer services but let's not go there...

Can' see how that actually relates to what I posted?

[scarps]

Hey all, can I suggest that if there is a need to have a new thread created where swaggers can provide views on local councils and government organisations, please do so. 

[Barry G]

From the subsequent description of Wallan Community Market it would seem to be significantly larger than Lancefield, so hopefully our will survive as is.
Hopefully you will have some success obtaining a more nuanced outcome as a long term solution at Wallan.

[scarps]

From the subsequent description of Wallan Community Market it would seem to be significantly larger than Lancefield, so hopefully our will survive as is.
Hopefully you will have some success obtaining a more nuanced outcome as a long term solution at Wallan.

Thnx B&B, you're not too far away and I haven't been to Lancefield Market many years. 
From memory, Lancefield was predominently and farmers style market, good fresh local food and wine:-)
If it's pet friendly, I'll be there.

[Barry G]

Thnx B&B, you're not too far away and I haven't been to Lancefield Market many years. 
From memory, Lancefield was predominently and farmers style market, good fresh local food and wine:-)
If it's pet friendly, I'll be there.

4th Saturday of the month.

[znelbok]

I really dislike dogs at these events simply because I have a small child whose face is at bite level and I get tired of telling dog owners to keep their dog away. Too many think its lovely for their dog to lick or jump on my kids. "He won't hurt you dear". Crap. Every dog can bite and the vast majority of dog bites our section gets are from terriers.

Do you ever tell you kids not to go near the dogs or are you just blaming the dogs for going near your kids.

In my experience, kids are the worst offenders - they dont listen, they are stupid and cruel and cry like little babies when it does not go their way (I have two kids and two GS's - I prefere the GS as they are better behaved).

Lets ban the kids from the markets as well as they are just as annoying.

Also, me experience shows that small dogs are way more aggressive but people think this is OK becasue they are small (hate small dogs as well)  I have to be careful that when a small dog approaces my large dogs, I let the owner know that they are unwelcome as they are often more agressive and if they do bite and mine bites back it will be a lot worse for them - would you let a 8 y/o kids pick on a 16 y/o adult and then blame the 16y/o when he pulverises him (apart from the fact that the 16 y/o should know better).

[bushbandit]

Whilst visiting Tassie earlier this year we went to Salamanca Markets and there was a massive argument with a guy with his two small dogs and the store holders about him not being allowed there with his dogs.Then the dog owner tried to bring the non smoking around food issue as well,as some store holders were smoking.
Made for an interesting visit to the markets. 

[tossie]

Do you ever tell you kids not to go near the dogs or are you just blaming the dogs for going near your kids.

In my experience, kids are the worst offenders - they dont listen, they are stupid and cruel and cry like little babies when it does not go their way (I have two kids and two GS's - I prefere the GS as they are better behaved).

Lets ban the kids from the markets as well as they are just as annoying.

Also, me experience shows that small dogs are way more aggressive but people think this is OK becasue they are small (hate small dogs as well)  I have to be careful that when a small dog approaces my large dogs, I let the owner know that they are unwelcome as they are often more agressive and if they do bite and mine bites back it will be a lot worse for them - would you let a 8 y/o kids pick on a 16 y/o adult and then blame the 16y/o when he pulverises him (apart from the fact that the 16 y/o should know better).

Yep there are some feral kids out there but not all of them are tarred with the same brush. Some of us can control our children and love spending time with them. As stated in my earlier post a dog can't spend money but I sure as hell know kids can.

Cheers Tossie

[znelbok]

I dont know, for those who dont have kids but have dogs instead, they can sure spend a lot on their dogs.  I know of pooches that are at doggy day care most days, have a shampoo twice a week etc and get all sorts of "gifts".

Horses for courses.

[briann532]

Why not ban kids while they're at it? Dirty little buggers touch everything with their grubby little fingers and run around causing chaos. Only a matter of time before someone gets hurt. 

Please don't be so short sighted.............

Why limit it to kids?
Can't we ban people alltogether??? 

I reckon the world would be a much better place without the damn humans.............

PS I like the way you think 

Brian ( a mere mortal and another number to the problem)

[Owie]

I don't have dogs, our life style doesn't allow for it as we like to travel and many of it in National Parks etc.. But we have friends who have pets, which was a bit of an eye opener to the issues surrounding travelling with pets.

The way I see it, as usual it's the minority who wreck it for everyone.  The responsible dog owners with well behaved and trained dogs, well, you don't see them because they blend in and do the right thing.  The ones people see are the yapping, feral mutts running around, and their owners.

I support no dogs at markets, because too often a stinky mutt comes over for a lick. Whist it may be passive I just cannot take the risk with young children.

Not to mention land mines. The biggest gripe I have with dog owners is leaving a silent fermenting mine just waiting to be stepped on.

[Big Nath]

Markets are for people not dogs.

That's is all.

[GeoffA]

Markets are for people not dogs.

That's is all.

Correction......markets are for women......