NSW National Parks are no longer safe

[gibbo301]

On the political comments, I never feel comfort when we are governed by minorities or so called mandates, it all went down hill when the Democrates imploded, we need someone to keep the bastards honest.
Grizzly

That will never happen 

[macca]

Hey Chesapeake, does your forum name come from Chesapeake Bay in New York or from the dog breed, best bloody gun dog I have ever had was a Chesa, geez they are tough, brillant on ducks not so good on Koalas though  . if your into Chesa's then you would  know my brother John for sure
sorry to hijack, interesting reading, seems quite a few dont seem know that we have been there for years just a bit hard to spot I guess

macca

[biggles1024]

Right decision, wrong reason.

You'd think our native wildlife and livestock were just expendable commodities the way politicians, the media and the usual suspects treat them...

[Jason B]

Right decision, wrong reason.

You'd think our native wildlife and livestock were just expendable commodities the way politicians, the media and the usual suspects treat them...

Mate you are right. And they are expenable commodities, the greens have been trading on them for years, look at all the extra marine parks etc in place now. The tide looks like it has turned and we are back to a shade of brown in Government. Just saw on the news an extra 200 speed cameras comming in for NSW, another backflip after the big song and dance about removing 26 or something when they came to power.

They all appear to have great intentions before they come to power and they realise that the rules of the game are not what they thought and that they are only a puppet with the party pulling the strings.

Regards


Jas

[rooscoota]

hunt with a bow..... you dont have the worry of a bullet going miles

thats also on the agenda, unsupervised children as young as 12 allowed to hunt with bows n arrows, coming soon to a park/forest near you.

[Jason B]

that's also on the agenda, unsupervised children as young as 12 allowed to hunt with bows n arrows, coming soon to a park/forest near you.

They are also pushing to (Fish) hunt Carp with a bow and arrow. Imagine sitting on the side of a stream and some pecker shoots an arrow that ricochet's of a rock on the river bed and ends up in the side of someones head...................Nice. They have put a lot of thought into that one. Also it will be Carp only but who can positively identify a fish in dirty water from any distance??

It doesn't make much sense to me as its illegal to shoot a fire arm at or in water because of the dangers but it appears acceptable for a bow.

I enjoy recreational hunting (Gun and bow) but there has to be some commonsense.


Regards


Jas

[maverick_sr71]

There's a greater statistical probability that you will be killed in a vehicle accident on the way to the National Park than being shot by a hunter in that National Park your heading to.

Likewise there's a far greater statistical probability you'll win lotto before you'll be shot in a National Park.

So I fail to see why being in a National Park where hunters may or may not be would generate such a strong reaction when there is a lot more risk simply driving to the National Park in the first place.

[TOY80ST]

a point that seems to be missed by a few is the amount of checks and balances that are required by Parks to shoot, they should also apply to others if this goes ahead in some form ,that will sort out the chaff from the hay.

I deeply hope this is the way it goes. Otherwise I have done a lot of training for nothing. I never missed that point by the way. I am hoping it is a selection process which includes an actual target test like I had to do. 100 shots 100 hits from 50 meters to 200 meters and 100% stike rate with a shot gun from a moving object.

[Hoyks]

They are also pushing to (Fish) hunt Carp with a bow and arrow. Imagine sitting on the side of a stream and some pecker shoots an arrow that ricochet's of a rock on the river bed and ends up in the side of someones head...................Nice. They have put a lot of thought into that one. Also it will be Carp only but who can positively identify a fish in dirty water from any distance??

It doesn't make much sense to me as its illegal to shoot a fire arm at or in water because of the dangers but it appears acceptable for a bow.

Bow fishing arrows cost around $20-$50 each, so we don't go shooting them off willy-nilly. They are also quite heavy so they carry the energy through the water, but will rapidly fall out of the sky as although they have kinetic energy, the velocity is quite low.

The main reason you won't get hit with a stray shaft is because they are attached to a bow mounted fishing reel with heavy line so you don't lose the arrow or the fish. Carp are quite easy to spot, they have large scales and often come to the surface.


You have all been made  paranoid by the media.

If you educated yourselves and got over the emotive side of the argument, you would find that the chances of accidental death by shooting are extremely low (most gun deaths are suicide), even homicide using a firearm is low compared to other methods, but we aren't locking up the kitchen knives? http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/current%20series/tandi/261-280/tandi269/view%20paper.aspx

Driving to your favorite camping spot it fraught with risk, but we do it every day so what is the problem http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/2012/files/RDA_Summary_2011.pdf. You have more of a 100 times more chance of pegging out due to catching a cold.

[Blinky Bill]

The bastards are going to sell off more of our assets.
Governments of both political persuasions are addicted to our $$$$$..... a pox on both their houses.....
What they get from the sale of the electricity generators will be just wasted and they will need to increase taxes to cover the profit they used to get from producing and selling electricity.

Cheers
Parry
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I've never understood what it is about political parties that makes them think it's okay to sell off our assets. Did they actually state this when they were vying for office? Mind you, in the case of the Libs they didn't need to say much at all to roll the useless Labor mob. As they say 'you get the Government you deserve'.

But just thinking about it, past generations (our Mothers & Fathers, Grandparents & Great Grandparents) paid for these assets and now here we are with many more people paying taxes and yet we still can't manage to retain, maintain & run things as a service to NSW residents? I don't get that at all!

If the asset is so damn bad & unprofitable, then how is it that it will be purchased by private enterprise? The people will more than likely see little for the sale and feel it in their hip pocket soon enough when the new owners start charging what they can as a profit to their shareholders. The world has gone nuts!

[briann532]

The world has gone nuts!

Amen to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kalebjarrod]

They are also pushing to (Fish) hunt Carp with a bow and arrow. Imagine sitting on the side of a stream and some pecker shoots an arrow that ricochet's of a rock on the river bed and ends up in the side of someones head...................Nice. They have put a lot of thought into that one. Also it will be Carp only but who can positively identify a fish in dirty water from any distance??

Wrong, i shoot carp with my bow every week, I am not a pecker, I can identify the pest easily, and the heavy fiberglass arrows don't travel far

[Jason B]

Not in NSW I hope! 

[Chesapeake]

Hey Chesapeake, does your forum name come from Chesapeake Bay in New York or from the dog breed, best bloody gun dog I have ever had was a Chesa, geez they are tough, brillant on ducks not so good on Koalas though  . if your into Chesa's then you would  know my brother John for sure
sorry to hijack, interesting reading, seems quite a few dont seem know that we have been there for years just a bit hard to spot I guess

macca

Yep Macca,Comes from the dog breed,and John has used my dog over his bitch.Small world

[macca]

Yep Macca,Comes from the dog breed,and John has used my dog over his bitch.Small world

Going up to his place tomorrow to work on my ski boat I'll say gday, tis a small world

[rooscoota]

bit of an update, the laws were passed through parliament last night, green light for shooters, cant wait for the stray bullets to whistle past camp.

http://www.news.com.au/national/laws-pass-to-allow-hunting-in-nsw-national-parks/story-e6frfkvr-1226404781447#ixzz1yQWBkYPe

something to think about,

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4268336/Hunter-thought-woman-was-an-animal

[christofurry]

I didnt bother to read all the posts.

But I hunt, and I support the idea.

Its about time.

[RosLed]

Grizzly et al,
As both a land owner that borders a NP and a recreational hunter I will be up front and say that I support the idea of shooting in NPs. I understand that this is an emotional issue and why some people have concerns but given the benefits I see no reason to be against this. I am also a scout leader and have 2 girls in scouts right now.

As an example, I have a culling licence for the plague of Kangaroos that inhabit "my land". If they jump my fence then they are not a plague any more but a protected species that just happens to eat all my pasture improved fodder. (now I understand some people don't support a cull either but we can argue that another time.)
The multitude of (very smart) pigs, deer, goats etc that no longer inhabit my land but wander down to eat my nice feed are also protected once they cross the fence despite being introduced ferals.
Lambing season is a constant patrol of shooting foxes, feral cats and dogs to stop huge stock loss. I know I have some foxes (and maybe cats) but the majority are in the NP.

I have seen the replies that suggest that controlled trapping and shooting is that answer but I guarantee from personal experience they barely touch the remote areas and don't dent the surface of the feral problem. The damage these animals do to the environment is incredible. I have seen new growth areas decimated by deer and goats and creek lines and water courses turned into bogs by pigs. To save this from happening is reason enough for me to support it let alone my own financial benefits of more productive farming. The displacement of native animals and impact of predators I cannot vouch for personally but believe the old guys who say that there aren't as many small natives any more.

As to controls; to shoot in a State Forest you must apply for specific permits from the game council (as per previous posts). I would suggest that NPs will have similar controls and they will be restricted to feral animals. They are also discussing animal recognition courses as per Victoria which I fully support. As a hunter I will also state that if there are people around; the target species is generally not. You usually have to track pretty hard and away from the "recreational noises" to get anywhere.

Either way it has happened now and we need to make sure that nobody is unduly impacted by these new rules. I guess we won't know until it has been in place for a while.
Ross

[just startin]

I agree grizzly with what you say, I posted about the same subject soon as it was past and got the same replies ie- shooters don't mis and its only 10% of NP. after weeks of talking to peoplethat shoot they have no idea about being permited and said it's open slather in NP's as far as their concerned and they are (RICH respected people in the community) NOT campers also say it been along time coming. Not mention the cost to the public of the sale of the Elec. generators!!!!   you wait in 5yrs bills will be 500% more - if not taxes must rise to cover the lost income.

[Draggin]

Thanks RosLed for a balanced view. Farmers are too often forgotten in the battle to produce the stuff that keeps most of us from having to hunt and gather food like "hooman beans" in the past.

Too much -    Hunting is always going to get emotions warmed up.

Keep yours shirts on and I suspect that unless you are there to hunt, you won't even notice hunters in "your" NP's.

[barneys]

if you look on ivew look up landline theydid a show a while back on this subjut but in Vic with goats , i was againest it until i saw the show and how much damage the goats do and it show there results for the best , now i have changed my view

[Jason B]

Farmers are too often forgotten in the battle to produce the stuff that keeps most of us from having to hunt and gather food like "hooman beans" in the past.

If you want a balanced view farming has changed exponentially in the last 50 years and your comments no longer ring true. Farmers farm and produce whatever pays the best. Could be Lucine, hay, crops for bio fuel, cotton etc etc. This long held notion that they are feeding the nation for the good of all is crap.

$$$ make the world go round and this is how it should be, they struggle to scratch a living and business is business.

I know some people with 3000 acres that borders the Kosciusko National Park. There is no doubting that despite the best efforts of of the NPWS, the park is a breeding ground for feral species. However the NPWS does spend a considerable amount of money trapping and baiting along his boundaries. It will be intersting to see how these changes are managed.

OK ducking for cover now.


Regards

Jas

[GeeTee]

A great day for our NPs. Hopefully disciplined and responsible hunters will assist in measurably reducing the incredible damage done by pest and feral species such as goats, pigs, dogs, cats and foxes

[gronk]

A great day for our NPs. Hopefully disciplined and responsible hunters will assist in measurably reducing the incredible damage done by pest and feral species such as goats, pigs, dogs, cats and foxes

All nice and good, but if you look at the stats.....hunting in state parks netted approx 1% of the feral population....as opposed to a kill rate of 50% needed to have any significant impact on numbers..

In reality....hunting in parks ( state and nat ) will have little impact on numbers of ferals.....in other words...the pollies have got the support of the shooters, knowing that they will kill bugger all ferals.....but on the other hand, have got a lot of people up in arms over a few trigger happy shooters roaming around taking pot shots at fresh air  !!

[Jason B]

All nice and good, but if you look at the stats.....hunting in state parks netted approx 1% of the feral population....as opposed to a kill rate of 50% needed to have any significant impact on numbers..

In reality....hunting in parks ( state and nat ) will have little impact on numbers of ferals.....in other words...the pollies have got the support of the shooters, knowing that they will kill bugger all ferals.....but on the other hand, have got a lot of people up in arms over a few trigger happy shooters roaming around taking pot shots at fresh air  !!

Don't for get the main reason of this "to pave the way to sell off our power assets". It sgot nothing to do with shooters or ferral animals in reality and you are kidding yourself if oyu think otherwise.

Regards


jas