V8 Supercar Champs

[cm4x4nut]

For 2013 will be NISSAN



Bring it on Car of the Future

[V8ute]

Yeah, cant believe Kelly racing are going in for 4 cars.   Glad i got my Jack daniels Holden jacket last year
Cheers
          V8ute

[D4D]

Yeah, cant believe Kelly racing are going in for 4 cars.

Why not? They can't make Holdens win

[Teabag]

Awesome, Nissan number one 4wd and number one on the race track. Doesn't get any better.........;-)

Was Ford supporter, now Nissan. Jumping the fence already......hehehe

[Jenko67]

at least they will be V8s and not the little turbos like before........

[Bird]

Why the excitement?  They will be controlled engines KW/Nm/gearboxes/chassis/wheels/brakes/etc...

Then when nissan start destroyin the taxi's again then they will just ban them again

[tojo100]

makes a change from the old two horse race more competition ,setting them up and getting them to run on various tracks not going to happen overnight could be interesting hope to get to Townsville and  check it out

[gronk]

Why the excitement?  They will be controlled engines KW/Nm/gearboxes/chassis/wheels/brakes/etc...

Then when nissan start destroyin the taxi's again then they will just ban them again

Gonna be a bit like Nascar ......controlled engines ( and everything else ) with a bodyshell tacked on...

Still going to be hard for them in the 1st year....

[BigJules]

I don't think it could be more of a yawn. I like V8s but if they're all the same except the paint and panel shape, let's just go back to real production cars. Wins on Sunday, sells on Monday. That would be cheaper still than COTF.

[Manjimike]

Are they made in Oz  :stirring icon:


Mike

[gronk]

I don't think it could be more of a yawn. I like V8s but if they're all the same except the paint and panel shape, let's just go back to real production cars. Wins on Sunday, sells on Monday. That would be cheaper still than COTF.

Been pretty much like that for years.....about the only thing the same as a road car would be the door handles......NOTHING else is the same....

But the crowds get bigger every year, so no chance of the format changing..

The 12 hr race is based on production cars and no one watches it  !!!

[Jason B]

will be interesting to see it all unfold.

As stated their are blue prints for the current cars. Whilst they run their manufacturers engines, the cars are shortened to the same wheel base etc. The holdens run wishbone front suspension and ford 9 inch solid rear diffs when the production cars run front struts and independent rear sus etc.

So the Nissan will be modified to fit the blue print.

Will wait and see what happens. When the Skylines dominated in the 1990's they were largely undeveloped even though they had 600hp. In the Japanese series, the same cars were producing upwards of 1000 to 1100 hp.


Regards

Jas

[grc]

bring on 2013 go the nissan

[Nomad]

Bring em all back. From the Mini to the Lambo.................make it fun again.

[Roo]

The Car Of The Future spec is even further removed from the falcodore taxi championships we've had since '93. the 2013 spec includes space frame chassis, a proper racing gearbox combined with the differential into the rear subframe with independant suspension. They'll be lighter, faster and finally a proper racing car.

I did miss the old Group A tourers tho'. I've got a photo of a young Mark Skaife with his jaw dropping as Jimmy drops his load on the cranky crowd in '92. I wondered if they'd get out alive and I think Mr Skaife did too!

[dirtpilot]

They have no choice if the series is to continue in the future. The Falcon will soon finish and be replaced with a Ford global product and the dunnydoors future is in doubt also.

[UTE 701]

I wonder if this was one of Skaife's first jobs in the chair ... to look up his old phone book for the number to the top at Nissan .

Anyway at the risk of starting an argument , I'll watch Nascar any day over the V8's .

Because it's not the brand of car you cheer for ( we know they're all the same in both leagues ) , it's close racing I want to see , and plenty of passing .

When was the last time a car that qualified out of the top ten won a V8 race .

In Nascar a car that qualifies dead last can win , because of a different strategy . 

And usually the whole top ten can be seen in one camera shot in Nascar .....

[nick 08]

I see chrysler on the news this morn are thinking about it to for the 2013 season

[Matto]

I think it's a great thing. As gronk says, it's been a spec class for years - all the floor pans and roll cages are built by one guy in QLD, and the Ford or Holden shells are put on top. The doors are narrower, they're completely removed from the production cars. So long as they don't go as far as nascar has gone (with a spec shell, the only difference between "manufacturers" being the paint), I think it'll still be very enjoyable, as well as keeping the cost under control. Under COTF, you can still have different engines, different shells (within aero parameters), and different setups.

I love Production Car / Touring Car racing as much as anyone, but the reality is unless you introduce control over the spec, it simply ends up like F1, where the person with the biggest cheque-book always wins. By having a spec chassis and drivetrain and power/weight controls, more manufacturers can join in and the racing is closer. COTF gives the drivers a proper racing car, that's more inline with what the current models are. How long has it been since you've been able to buy a commodore with a solid rear axle, yet that's what the current V8 Supercars run? Better suspension, higher grip, lighter weight, they'll be a barrel of laughs to drive.

As much as I loved the days of the M3's winning in the wet, and the Skylines winning absolutely everywhere 'till they were banned, I can still enjoy the Supercars for what they are. I'll be down in Townsville (again) this year - tickets already booked!

Cheers!
Matto
(I may find Nascar racing boring, but it's technically awesome. IE, a gearbox cannot weigh less than X, so they make it weigh half that, then add the difference as lead plate to the bottom of the housing to make the COG as low as possible, whilst staying just inside the rules. Wonderful stuff.)

[Bird]

By having a spec chassis and drivetrain and power/weight controls, more manufacturers can join in and the racing is closer

Yes, but it ends up with nothing to do with Holden/Ford/Nissan/Chrysler/Bedford/Dodge..
Using the same everything you may as well have HQ racing.

[Pipeliner]

Yes, but it ends up with nothing to do with Holden/Ford/Nissan/Chrysler/Bedford/Dodge..

Hoo bleedin Ray!  Now perhaps we can get rid of the stupid parochialism that surrounds the Ford/Holden discussion and concentrate on the racing.

F1 has been the most tightly controlled formula for years, but still one team manages to dominate for a time until another team comes up with a technical innovation which puts them in front.  Just think what F1 would be like if it only had Ferrari and McLaren!

[Silvo]

Does nissan sell a production v8 in one of their sedans? i haven't looked, but i don't remember one..

the ONLY reason I think a manfacturer should be in this V8 race is if they sell a car that has that kind of engine. i COMPLETELY understand that you will never get a V8 in a road car like you have in race cars.

what is the point.. as julian mentioned.. the idea of a manufacturer being involved in this racing should be to generate sales. plenty of people buy the v8 holdens and fords because they are raced.

[Mace]

Does nissan sell a production v8 in one of their sedans? i haven't looked, but i don't remember one..

It appears that they migh be going to:

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/EDF0EBAA97CB29C3CA25799F00139BBC

[Bird]

as long as they run the Aussie Flag things all the bogans have on their wing mirrors now they are welcome.

[Mace]

Here's the new kelly bros race team colour scheme!