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End of Lake Eyre Yacht Club
« on: May 22, 2012, 08:44:26 PM »
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/native-title-granted-over-lake-eyre/story-e6frf7jx-1226363589149

Feel sorry for all those people who put a lot of effect in setting up their club over many years. And the other people here who are not going to win is the tax payer. Well I for one will not be going to see this place now, as I imagine it will be one big mine.
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Re: End of Lake Eyre Yacht Club
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2012, 10:31:39 PM »
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/breaking-news/native-title-granted-over-lake-eyre/story-e6frf7jx-1226363589149

Feel sorry for all those people who put a lot of effect in setting up their club over many years. And the other people here who are not going to win is the tax payer. Well I for one will not be going to see this place now, as I imagine it will be one big mine.



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Re: End of Lake Eyre Yacht Club
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2012, 10:44:57 PM »
Go to Lake Eyre Yacht club when Lake in Flood. - Bugger. Take that one of the to do list.  :'(
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Re: End of Lake Eyre Yacht Club
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2012, 10:47:37 PM »
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They sailed in 2010 but were banned by the State Government last year because of native title issues.

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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2012, 01:44:17 AM »
See get out there quick before they close everything down  :'(
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2012, 01:57:02 AM »
Are you basing these comments on a single Herald Sun (Victorian) article? Maybe you have more information to add? The article that you linked said nothing about access, just that native title had been acknowledged "the court ruling officially recognised that the Arabana people had lived on the land for a very long time and held important rights based on knowledge and customs handed down through generations."  What's the issue? Lake Eyre yacht club could surely negotiate with traditional owners for access.

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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2012, 06:45:25 AM »
Lake Eyre yacht club could surely negotiate with traditional owners for access.

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Lets hope so, but it sounds like the Yacht Club will be testing the law anyway.

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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2012, 07:33:21 AM »
Almost time for a "Myswag Title Claim" to be launched for ALL of Australia - OZ for all Aussies !

I detest the need for permits to travel in Australia. I respect "private" land but being barred from large tracts of land because of native title really ticks me off. National Parks are bad enough with their restrictions and narrow minded locking up other large areas.

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« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2012, 08:23:18 AM »
Are you basing these comments on a single Herald Sun (Victorian) article? Maybe you have more information to add? The article that you linked said nothing about access, just that native title had been acknowledged "the court ruling officially recognised that the Arabana people had lived on the land for a very long time and held important rights based on knowledge and customs handed down through generations."  What's the issue? Lake Eyre yacht club could surely negotiate with traditional owners for access.

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can you honestly expect them to let us access it? im sure you can buy a permit for $$$? cause we all know handing cash over makes all ok.

yea the boats may have damaged the water....



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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2012, 03:32:27 PM »
I imagine you will still be able to visit. However just like the lands around Uluru you will need to obtain permission and a second mortgage to get access.
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Re: End of Lake Eyre Yacht Club
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2012, 03:34:21 PM »
I wonder if I can claim the waterfront block of land I was born on..
I lived there over 30 years, my olds for over 50years, the people on there now only 5 years.

We had many ritual burials of pets over the decades... and BBQ's.

Might call me a lawyer.
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« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2012, 06:18:02 PM »
Are you basing these comments on a single Herald Sun (Victorian) article? Maybe you have more information to add? The article that you linked said nothing about access, just that native title had been acknowledged "the court ruling officially recognised that the Arabana people had lived on the land for a very long time and held important rights based on knowledge and customs handed down through generations."  What's the issue? Lake Eyre yacht club could surely negotiate with traditional owners for access.

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The article I read yesterday, (can't find it now to include a link) quoted one of the elders specifically saying that they didn't mind people visiting at approved areas and it would be ok for people to swim in the water but no way would they allow boats on the water.  Boats are anti something they believe in and they are concerned about safety... 

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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2012, 06:23:35 PM »
The article I read yesterday, (can't find it now to include a link) quoted one of the elders specifically saying that they didn't mind people visiting at approved areas and it would be ok for people to swim in the water but no way would they allow boats on the water.  Boats are anti something they believe in and they are concerned about safety... 

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Re: End of Lake Eyre Yacht Club
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2012, 06:29:43 PM »
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We had many ritual burials of pets over the decades... and BBQ's.


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Re: End of Lake Eyre Yacht Club
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2012, 04:30:42 PM »


I don't understand Land Rights at all.  Yes, I get that Captain Cook lied to the Queen about getting permission to move in, but even squatters have rights now too.  But if this land is a National Park ... aren't they for the good of all ... not just a select few?

And I can't see what any of this has got to do with me really and why it's now a tax payers problem.  I wasn't here 200 years ago and nor where any of my family (we are circa 1870's).  We didn't get "moved over" by the English Government for any reason (like stealing bread).  We chose to come here.  My family has nothing to be sorry for, except coming to a country that appeared to be "free ruled" but we can't help it if all the T's weren't crossed or the I's dotted.  We are sorry we didn't check first.  In fact, if you note the meaning of the word aborigine:  Born to the land ... well I was back in 1969 ... I'm an Aussie through and through.

If they want to get picky about who they argue with ... shouldn't it be with the English Goverment who started this whole "invasion" process in the beginning?  I feel that they should be the one's compensating them ... not us.

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Re: End of Lake Eyre Yacht Club
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2012, 04:34:04 PM »

I don't understand Land Rights at all.  Yes, I get that Captain Cook lied to the Queen about getting permission to move in, but even squatters have rights now too.  But if this land is a National Park ... aren't they for the good of all ... not just a select few?

And I can't see what any of this has got to do with me really and why it's now a tax payers problem.  I wasn't here 200 years ago and nor where any of my family (we are circa 1870's).  We didn't get "moved over" by the English Government for any reason (like stealing bread).  We chose to come here.  My family has nothing to be sorry for, except coming to a country that appeared to be "free ruled" but we can't help it if all the T's weren't crossed or the I's dotted.  We are sorry we didn't check first.  In fact, if you note the meaning of the word aborigine:  Born to the land ... well I was back in 1969 ... I'm an Aussie through and through.

If they want to get picky about who they argue with ... shouldn't it be with the English Goverment who started this whole "invasion" process in the beginning?  I feel that they should be the one's compensating them ... not us.

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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2012, 02:16:52 AM »
I appreciate that everyone is entitled to their views. Why is it so hard to understand that we need to acknowledge that there were people in Australia for 60,000 years before captain cook arrived? Native title is a complex issue but I don't think that people are willing to Google it to understand more. To suggest that living in a house for 50 years is comparable is just naive.  In my opinion a real Australian faces up to the past and tries to make things better no matter who is to blame. I really enjoy this forum for ct related issues, it's great. Sorry if my views on other things seem contrary.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2012, 07:30:40 AM »
I appreciate that everyone is entitled to their views. Why is it so hard to understand that we need to acknowledge that there were people in Australia for 60,000 years before captain cook arrived? Native title is a complex issue but I don't think that people are willing to Google it to understand more. To suggest that living in a house for 50 years is comparable is just naive.  In my opinion a real Australian faces up to the past and tries to make things better no matter who is to blame. I really enjoy this forum for ct related issues, it's great. Sorry if my views on other things seem contrary.

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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2012, 10:14:56 AM »
Never been to Lake Eyre but a sad day indeed if something as harmless as sailing on a lake is stopped on what in my opinion are religious grounds.

Hopefully they'll come to a compromise and do the Uluru thing - "The traditional owners request you respect their traditions and not sail on the lake if you wouldn't mind, but it's up to you"  type scenario.






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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2012, 10:51:55 AM »
If i have to share one main road in sydney with the 2 or 3  million people that came here after i did.... then the locals can share lake.    :laugh:


But seriously, If i ever get out there in flood I will take my kite surf gear or sailboard. And I will sail it!  Under "common sense" law I am allowed ;)

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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2012, 12:40:34 PM »
I appreciate that everyone is entitled to their views. Why is it so hard to understand that we need to acknowledge that there were people in Australia for 60,000 years before captain cook arrived? Native title is a complex issue but I don't think that people are willing to Google it to understand more. To suggest that living in a house for 50 years is comparable is just naive.  In my opinion a real Australian faces up to the past and tries to make things better no matter who is to blame. I really enjoy this forum for ct related issues, it's great. Sorry if my views on other things seem contrary.

The fundamental flaw in your argument is that if we recreate the ownership and boundaries that existed around the world thousands or even hundreds of years ago most of the countries that now exist, including the sacred cow Israel, would be dismantled.
Think of the world conflict that would create.
Since humans first walked on this earth they have conducted wars over land and associated resources and, as much as most people hate war, they are going to keep happening.
In war some win and some loose and it is about time for a reality check. Sometimes sh1t happens, humans are just not nice.
There is no point in trying to go back and recreate the world the way it was, it just can't happen, and that includes the Aboriginal ownership before Europeans arrived.

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« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2012, 01:26:02 PM »
X 2 for the above post.

There is nothing (except out lil ol army) stopping any other country from coming over here and changing the borders again today.

No one disputes if they were here first or not... just their claims to the land.

And the post about 50years living in one spot. That is probably longer than their lifespan was...  not one single one lived for thousands of years ;)

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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2012, 04:35:28 PM »

I don't understand Land Rights at all.  Yes, I get that Captain Cook lied to the Queen about getting permission to move in, but even squatters have rights now too.  But if this land is a National Park ... aren't they for the good of all ... not just a select few?

And I can't see what any of this has got to do with me really and why it's now a tax payers problem.  I wasn't here 200 years ago and nor where any of my family (we are circa 1870's).  We didn't get "moved over" by the English Government for any reason (like stealing bread).  We chose to come here.  My family has nothing to be sorry for, except coming to a country that appeared to be "free ruled" but we can't help it if all the T's weren't crossed or the I's dotted.  We are sorry we didn't check first.  In fact, if you note the meaning of the word aborigine:  Born to the land ... well I was back in 1969 ... I'm an Aussie through and through.

If they want to get picky about who they argue with ... shouldn't it be with the English Goverment who started this whole "invasion" process in the beginning?  I feel that they should be the one's compensating them ... not us.

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Re: End of Lake Eyre Yacht Club
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2012, 05:01:21 PM »
I appreciate that everyone is entitled to their views. Why is it so hard to understand that we need to acknowledge that there were people in Australia for 60,000 years before captain cook arrived? Native title is a complex issue but I don't think that people are willing to Google it to understand more. To suggest that living in a house for 50 years is comparable is just naive.  In my opinion a real Australian faces up to the past and tries to make things better no matter who is to blame. I really enjoy this forum for ct related issues, it's great. Sorry if my views on other things seem contrary.

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I'm not disputing whether they were here or not.  They obviously were.  However, 200+ years later, does it really matter so much? 

How long can you hold a grudge?  Who's really to blame?  Why does it have to be me or the average taxpayer?  I wasn't even here then and neither were the aborigines alive today.

I guess it's the way wars begin ... long memories and grudge holding ... and we all know how wars end.  Neither side is any better off.

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Re: End of Lake Eyre Yacht Club
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2012, 05:18:37 PM »
Very sad
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