Hostage drama happening now in Martin Place Sydney

[KingBilly]

ISIS flag hanging in window of Lindt Chocolate Cafe in Martin Place Sydney.

This will not end well.

KB

[Bird]

under making news....

[KingBilly]

Yeah mate, I know but I don't normally read that thread and thought others mightn't either.

KB

[paceman]

ISIS flag hanging in window of Lindt Chocolate Cafe in Martin Place Sydney.

This will not end well.

KB

apparently not an ISIS flag, but a generic islamic flag.

update:  seems to be a flag for another terrorist group...

why haven't muslim leaders condemned this attack already??

[Bird]

already plenty of jokes on Sickpedia :S

[Beachman]

Agree and really feel for the hostages involved as they must be scared beyond belief knowing there captor is willing and will most likely die for his cause.   

[MarkGU]

One shot is all it takes from Army or Police sniper.
it should not drag on and give the people involved any more advertising,which is what they want.
Government need to send a clear message, this type of thing isnt welcome here and wont be tolerated.

[Footy Shorts Shane]

This will not end well.

I don't think this thread will either.

[wilson79]

One shot is all it takes from Army or Police sniper.
it should not drag on and give the people involved any more advertising,which is what they want.
Government need to send a clear message, this type of thing isnt welcome here and wont be tolerated.

x2

[MarkGU]

x2

and its time for political correctness to stand aside and get on with it.

[achjimmy]

Do you think this guy is here to negotiate ?

[oldmate]

One shot is all it takes from Army or Police sniper.
it should not drag on and give the people involved any more advertising,which is what they want.
Government need to send a clear message, this type of thing isnt welcome here and wont be tolerated.

X3

I don't think this thread will either.

X billion

[DropBearRacing]

x2

Whilst this is deemed a Criminal incident, the NSW Police Force are the controlling agency.  Their mantra is "Contain and Negotiate" so they will never take a shot unless there is an imminent threat to the life of the hostages.

BUT

If this event is deemed an act of terrorism, then it will be taken over by Federal Agencies.  The Counter Terrorism Task Force will lead the event (Which includes the SAS), they do not contain and negotiate and they will take the shot when it presents itself.

[achjimmy]

Good to see the media are starting to make claims to make news.

The federal authorities will not take control until invited to by the states.   They do not automatically take control purely because it is a terrorism act they are generally invited.  The NSW police have very highly trained police that can deal with extreme situations. The "SAS" that the media is claiming is based on the east coast is actually a detachment of 1st commando at holsworthy. It forms part of Tactical Group east and was formed approx tens years ago.  They train in counter terrorism the same as the sas do in Perth. I think you will only likely see them if they are dealing with a military type force. The NSW police special operations group are quite capable of shooting if they need to.

[paceman]

not a bad feed for info, minus the media bulls**t...

http://www.reddit.com/live/u2pwph99rvy6

[Bird]

I gave up watching the news reports hours ago - nothing new, just looping the same faeces hour after hour... just the same fiction hour after hour with some "expert" thrown in the mix speaking like he knows everything and goes through this weekly...

[discoteddy]

Good to see the media are starting to make claims to make news.

The federal authorities will not take control until invited to by the states.   They do not automatically take control purely because it is a terrorism act they are generally invited.  The NSW police have very highly trained police that can deal with extreme situations. The "SAS" that the media is claiming is based on the east coast is actually a detachment of 1st commando at holsworthy. It forms part of Tactical Group east and was formed approx tens years ago.  They train in counter terrorism the same as the sas do in Perth. I think you will only likely see them if they are dealing with a military type force. The NSW police special operations group are quite capable of shooting if they need to.

Great post based on FACT and right on the money!


Cheers

Discoteddy

[MarkGU]

have i missed it or have they actually grabbed someone off the street to read what was on that flag? can tell me there arnt hundreds walking around who can read the language on it ? 

[achjimmy]

Wtf is the Victorian premier doing on TV?  Is he needing to get some limelight?

[Bird]

Wtf is the Victorian premier doing on TV?  Is he needing to get some limelight?

we have heard from Canadian and US presidents, why not the Vic Premier....

[dazzler]

Nightfall. Come on nightfall. Flash, bang, tap tap.

[McGirr]

As much as we hate to see these things happen in our backyard, thoughts must go the people being held hostage.

I hope it ends peacefully.

Mark

[Barry G]

have i missed it or have they actually grabbed someone off the street to read what was on that flag? can tell me there arnt hundreds walking around who can read the language on it ? 

The flag is not new, and the two phrases are probably the most well known in Islam.
No need to read it, easy enough to compare with existing images.
At the same time, I am sure most media organisations DO actually have staff who CAN read Arabic, so there wouldn't be a need to "grab someone off the street to read it" anyway.

[Barry G]

While I am not a fan of the PM I think he spoke well.  It is difficult in these circumstances for politicians to not seem vacuous in what they say, given that they are not the front line of the response.

They inevitably run the risk of being seen to be looking for the limelight however, if they were to say nothing they would be accused of 'lacking leadership', or something equally banal.

One of the strengths of our system is when politicians act in a genuinely bi-partisan way in responding to such issues. On that basis, I think the response of the Opposition Leader was also creditable.

Living in Melbourne I am acutely aware that this could as easily have happened hear, or in any other major Australian city. "There but for..." Etc ought to be the attitude of every Australian today.

In that context therefore it is disappointing to see the partisan cheap shots being made by some.
Out of respect for those affected can we not leave the usual 'hating' out of it for once.

[alnjan]

One shot is all it takes from Army or Police sniper.
it should not drag on and give the people involved any more advertising,which is what they want.
Government need to send a clear message, this type of thing isnt welcome here and wont be tolerated.

Very easy to say but without doing some homework first could end very badly.  You always have to take the worse case scenario and work from there.  I can think of a number of reason why not to take a shot without knowing some facts to start with, of course unless you want it to blow up in your face