Hints for running cable up a wall ??

[Bird]

This weekends project:
Run some Cat 6 network cable through the house upstairs. 
I have the plan in mind, but one thing that sorta stops me getting started is Im a lazy **** I'm not sure how to run the cable up the inside of the existing walls without destroying them - past any noggins that will be there.

So the roof looks something along these lines.
Was single storey house, then had addition added along the lines of this one - I wish to **** my house did look like this, but alas it doesn't.


I wanna run it up the wall from the ground floor, into the roof cavity then #1 son (who doesn't know it yet) will around and about.. but getting it up the wall has me a bit perplexed.

Going under the house isn't that easy either as its a 40yr old house that has been built onto as the original owners family expanded... so you cant get under the house from side to side easily either If I could, it would be a cake walk!

So, any hints on how to do it easily?

Thanks

[Azz]

With a piece of yellow tongue, see if you can follow existing wiring.
Remove a light switch or power point that has cable running to the upper level.

[D4D]

Wireless

[Bird]

With a piece of yellow tongue, see if you can follow existing wiring.
Remove a light switch or power point that has cable running to the upper level.

Thanks for the reply.

Numpty question, how do I make it follow the current cable

[Bird]

Wireless

Over it. Plus I have 2+ boxes of Cat 6 to waste

[D4D]

I'd go up a ground floor external wall then into the roof space and pop it out a robe in the top floor. If you have an old house you might be lucky and have no noggins in your external wall. Lift some tiles get some string/fishing line with a sinker on the end and drop it down to see how far you get. If you hit something you'll need a drill extension kit. Make sure you know where the power is and/or turn it off when drill otherwise it might end in tears.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Drill-Extension-Cavity-Kit-/221312641829

Edit - BTW I have no idea about house construction, I have done this in a previous house (70's vintage) and was surprised there wasn't a noggin in the ground floor wall.

[GeoffA]

Are the nogs the same width as the studs?
Ours aren't, and it was fairly easy to slide some yellow-tongue past.

[Bird]

I'd go up a ground floor external wall then into the roof space and pop it out a robe in the top floor. If you have an old house you might be lucky and have no noggins in your external wall. Lift some tiles get some string/fishing line with a sinker on the end and drop it down to see how far you get. If you hit something you'll need a drill extension kit. Make sure you know where the power is and/or turn it off when drill otherwise it might end in tears.

yea might look into the external wall gig..  I thought going thru the roof cavity would be easiest - or at least I hope it will be

No time for ebay ****, I want completed tomorrow
Edit: and before buyin a drill thingy for $135, I'll pay someone to do it for me even if it cost more.

Are the nogs the same width as the studs?
Ours aren't, and it was fairly easy to slide some yellow-tongue past.

Fuqt if I know... I build servers n **** not run cable ;'(

[GeoffA]

..........I'll pay someone to do it for me......

Do that ^...

[Bird]

Do that ^...

See ya when ya get here

I'll give it a try first, it cant be that ****in hard... ... .... ...... ...... ..... can it.
The sparky I've had do other work in the house and shed wasn't interested in the work ...

[GeoffA]

See ya when ya get here

....tick, tick, tick.......

[Bird]

....tick, tick, tick.......

[#jonesy]

Wireless

If brick veneer could  be a gap between frame and bricks to get yello tongue through.
Or the hardwood shrunk enough to create a gap

[Black Diamond]

Don't forget the PPE, need to have a toolbox meeting first and don't forget the SWMS(Safe Work Method Statement). Use the appropriate scaffolding and handrail   
Make sure you have a schematic diagram of the building and council approval before you start. It will cost you $20000 dollars to apply for a permit and a 6 month wait before they can look at it 

http://fotozup.com/define-safety/

[oldmate]

Don't forget traffic control. Full temporary fencing and all your signage

[Mandrake]

What about up inside a  downpipe into gutter and into the roof space

Can we book seats to watch the event ??

Mandrake

[Black Diamond]

 

What about up inside a  downpipe into gutter and into the roof space

Can we book seats to watch the event ??

Mandrake

I'll bring the alcohol, you can't work without that Bruce

[Mandrake]

Could take a while - I'll bring the Penguin ...

[achjimmy]

Is it cavity wall? Ie brick veneer?

Easy to go down than up. If cavity get some reasonable fishing line 100lb and a big arse snapper lead and try dropping down through several paths. If successful you can pull the cat back up. It takes two.  If you can get a path up. Get some AC conduit and run up the wall into the ceiling cavity and drop back down.

[Chris J]

Hi Lost,

You can't legally run Cat 5 cable with a mains cable so forget that idea! If the internal wall is plaster then locate the noggin and drill a hole either side of the noggin then use a jig saw to cut a notch into the noggin, remove the unwanted plaster board and noggin timber, run the cable up the wall and plaster fill cut-outs and repaint the repair, It's simple and quick.

Regards, Chris

[Crimso]

With a piece of yellow tongue, see if you can follow existing wiring.
Remove a light switch or power point that has cable running to the upper level.

dunno where you are but it's illegal in Qld to run datta / TV type cable in the same holes as power. Very dangerous.

[belial]

Now Lost, I'm assuming you glossed over the part in your OP that stated you held a restricted cabling licence to run the data cable you intend.

So on that basis, easiest option for getting from close to the floor to the roof cavity in a brick vanilla is as d4d previously stated to run the cable up through the cavity between the brickwork and the frame.
It helps to remember to add a bit of extra length on the cable down the bottom so it loops down lower than the face plate, so in the unlikely event that you get moisture running down the outside of the cable it will drip from the lowest point rather than running into the back of your rj-45 jack.

Else its stumping up for extensions to get  a spade bit down to the noggin on an internal cavity wall, always add a second hole to look through and a small maglite or similar with a beam you can narrow to see down helps and its pot luck if the wall is insulated.
If it is insulated, then finding the noggin and going through the plaster is the only other reasonable option, yellow tongue is your friend, if you can get the yellow tongue through the cable will surely follow.

Also, you need to be a minimum of 300mm away from any mains cable that runs in parallel and as much as practicable make any crossing of mains cables perpendicular.

All of the above also applies to running speaker cable (which you don't need a licence for.)

TBH, in a two story, I'd be paying someone else. Getting into the roof cavity of the ground floor is usually a pita and moving around is even worse.
I would expect that your sparky knows this all to well, which is why he turned it down.

Good luck with it.

[D4D]

Now Lost, I'm assuming you glossed over the part in your OP that stated you held a restricted cabling licence to run the data cable you intend.

It's ok I have an Open license, I'll supervise for a laugh

[GeoffA]

......Getting into the roof cavity of the ground floor is usually a pita and moving around is even worse......

......have you seen Lost?........

[Symon]

With a piece of yellow tongue, see if you can follow existing wiring.
Remove a light switch or power point that has cable running to the upper level.

As has been said before - DO NOT DO THIS.  You can't have comms cable right beside power cables, you need at least 50mm of separation.