Emergency Response - value of preparation

[Matto]

A lot of the states and insurances have cut out the claims for travelling too and from work with compensation, just a sign of the times.

FYI - Journey claims are still possible in QLD. There's 2 ways to go, either a claim against Workcover (which gets you money for treatment straight away, but is capped to how much you can get) or a claim against the insurance company (which takes longer, but can get the client more money). You can actually do both, and when the insurance claim settles you pay back whatever Workcover have paid out. This is a good way to go - gets the injured person money straight away so they can get the treatment they need, but leaves their options open.

Of course, this is all dependent upon the client not having done something silly. If you're severely drunk when you crash, don't expect anyone to have much sympathy for you. 

If the new mooted National compensation scheme comes in though, this all goes out the window.

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Cheers!
Matto
(who is not a lawyer, so don't take any of my advice ever - legal or otherwise...)

[Campfire]

Ummmmm, would you care to rephrase that Matto. I'm sure the last thing on Patr80l's mind at that moment would be removing his shorts.       

I'm too scared to ask, but last time I checked, CPR techniques hadn't changed.

Am I missing something.

Campfire 

[Swannie]

You know what? I don't think I'd care!!! If Patr80l brings his oxygen and adrenaline he can even do away with the shorts.Thanks,
Matto

Whatever floats your boat Matto....

[Matto]

You guys have obviously never had either O2 or adrenaline. Better than crack! (speaking about pants off...)

Cheers!
Matto
(You don't want to know what I'll do for morphine... )

[Campfire]

You guys have obviously never had either O2 or adrenaline. Better than crack! (speaking about pants )



Now I understand your technique,

DRABC

Call 000

Pants off

Crack for pain relief

wait for ambo's to arrive.....

Cheers

Campfire

[singo-26]

Ahhh, but you would forget your pain!

Laughter always cures pain, well it does in my kids anyway.   

[UTE 701]

At the risk of getting way off topic ...

I am always worried about what the result would be if you went into the back of a tilt tray , at speed , with that ramp at windscreen/ eye level ....

[Tjupurula]

At the risk of getting way off topic ...

I am always worried about what the result would be if you went into the back of a tilt tray , at speed , with that ramp at windscreen/ eye level ....

To say the least I would assert that you would have a "splitting headache".
Tjupurula

[singo-26]

At the risk of getting way off topic ...

I am always worried about what the result would be if you went into the back of a tilt tray , at speed , with that ramp at windscreen/ eye level ....

If it ha a second lift under the back you would stand half a chance, I've attended an accident where one didn't.

[Patr80l]

You guys have obviously never had either O2 or adrenaline. Better than crack! (speaking about pants off...)

Cheers!
Matto
(You don't want to know what I'll do for morphine... )

I've got some of that too. 

[Patr80l]

If it ha a second lift under the back you would stand half a chance, I've attended an accident where one didn't.

I saw a forensic pathologist's photo once of a bikie who had ridden into a cable (not sure why the cable was where it was).   His head was missing above the level of the mid-nose.   Nice clean slice.   The first photo was taken before the autopsy with the deceased lying on a stainless steel trolley, wearing a black T shirt.   He must have known something that morning when he chose to wear his "Sh1t Happens" T Shirt.

I know, I know,    This thread is worthless without pics! 

[Campfire]

Getting off the morbid stuff, has anybody on this forum done the remote area first aid course through St Johns.

Just curious what it's delivery and subject structure is like.

I did look at other courses years ago like PTLS or MIMM's, but that was back at a time when it was applicable  to my career and Uni studies.

Changed career since then so it hasn't been as relevant.

Still don't mind looking at courses which support personal safety in recreational interests like remote area. Enjoy surfing websites like Wilderness Medicine etc.

There is alot of St Johns first aid courses in WA you can't get in NSW which look really good and quite deep in practical hands on. Best you can get in NSW is the Occupational First Aid Course.

St Johns is a worthy organization, and I have no doubt that their training has helped saved many lives. I have a daughter who wants to join as a volunteer first aider instead of doing scouts.

First aid courses should be compulsory in all high schools

Cheers

Campfire

[Mace]

A lot of the states and insurances have cut out the claims for travelling too and from work with compensation, just a sign of the times.

In Victoria, the current Workers Compensation Claim form has a section on "Does this claim involve a motor vehicle".   If you fill this in, I beleive the Transport Accident Commission becomes the lead insurer.

This may change in the future, current talk is about Government here combining TAC and Workcover.  Hopefully this doesnt occur.

RE first aid, a five day Advanced first aid course in Vic costs about $500 to $600.  Not sure if its the same as remote, but covers advanced life support.

If I were in remote locations a lot I reckon this woujld be worthwhile.

[SUPA105]

Campfire,

Have a look at the Parasol website.....have a 3 and 4 day remote area course with Nationally Accredited Courses.

Cheers

[Tjupurula]

In Victoria, the current Workers Compensation Claim form has a section on "Does this claim involve a motor vehicle".   If you fill this in, I beleive the Transport Accident Commission becomes the lead insurer.

This may change in the future, current talk is about Government here combining TAC and Workcover.  Hopefully this doesnt occur.

RE first aid, a five day Advanced first aid course in Vic costs about $500 to $600.  Not sure if its the same as remote, but covers advanced life support.

If I were in remote locations a lot I reckon this woujld be worthwhile.

Hi Mace
It would be so wonderful if a lot more people had your outlook, and were prepared to such a course.  As I previously said, I am involved with the Desert Rescue Service, in the capacity that I take heaps of tools and my welding equipment with my gen set, as the last few times it has been a couple of hours of repairs to get someone back on their travels.  Owing to this involvement, the team (including myself) were given extensive remote first aid training for minimal cost, and it was great to learn.
Regards
Tjupurula

[Patr80l]

I've posted this before, but if people haven't seen it yet, here it is again; the WA Police Aids To Survival .  I'm not sure if this is the latest version (2002).   It's hard to find on Govt sites but lots of bushcraft and survival sites from around the world have cached pdf copies.

http://www.bushcraftuk.com/downloads/pdf/aids22.pdf

In my surfing I found a couple of other interesting sites FYI.

http://www.wildsurvive.com/outdoor-camping-forum/index.php

http://www.em.gov.au/Publications/Australianemergencymanualseries/Pages/default.aspx    is the Australian Govt's Emergency Management site with lots of publications of varying relevance.

http://www.em.gov.au/Documents/Manual37-4WDVehicleOperation.pdf    caught my eye.

I believe that Remote Area First Aid is an Australian Qualification Framework standard qualification, which means that the same syllabus will be taught by many RTO's.   However most organisations that teach Level 1 & 2 and CPR courses wouldn't offer it.   Mine doesn't.

[Tjupurula]

Hi Pat80l
The first aid course we went through involved all what I would assume is normal first aid, we also had clear instructions on using towels with water for someone dehydrated (to prevent gulping water), the use of wet sheets to cover someone again who is totally dehydrated, and quite a few things like that.  We were also instructed to give them small portions of food frequently until they were totally coherent.  Basically a few add ons like that.
Either way it was a great course that made us feel a lot more confident to handle various situations that could come up here in the desert country.
Regards
Tjupurula

[Patr80l]

I've looked at the AQF syllabus and it looks like a good course.   I've thought of doing it..... it's on my list.   

[chester ver2.0]

I am pretty sure this was changed in VIC and doesn't apply anymore unless being on the road is your job.« Last Edit: March 14, 2012, 05:35:45 AM by D4D »

Still in place mate your workers comp insurer then passes the cost onto the TAC