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Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« on: February 27, 2018, 09:27:40 PM »
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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2018, 09:38:03 PM »
Concerning that it’s taken so long for vehicle manufacturers to look at their supply chain to work out where takata airbags were used. Unless it’s a conspiracy to not swamp dealers / replacement airbag manufacturers with recalls etc.


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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2018, 09:47:31 AM »
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/39339910/up-to-a-million-more-cars-could-be-recalled-over-faulty-airbags/

More to come yet.

Motorists who may be concerned about their car can visit www.productsafety.gov.au, where a list of affected vehicles is displayed.
Also.
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/news/takata-airbag-recalls-affecting-australian-consumers


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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2018, 06:27:13 PM »
Not really clear for cars that have already been recalled- and they are on the list- are they required to be recalled again?   Or is once enough?


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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2018, 04:25:02 AM »
So, if you were selling a car and getting your safety certificate, would a car pass or fail if the recall hasn't been rectified?

The next question of course, is....

Lets say, a car purchased a week ago, is involved in a prang and air bag injury or death occurs.
Is the person who checked off on the "Safety Cert" now in a situation where he can be sued, as the said car had faulty parts fitted.

The same would apply in NSW, you guys still have an annual check?

Unless the recall has been done with paperwork to prove it, i wouldn't be signing off on any roadworthy/safety certificates in a pink fit.
With the ambulance chasers always sniffing out a way to screw someone, its gunna happen.

Now its a national recall by the government, no-one can really plead ignorant in this situation anymore.

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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2018, 05:26:12 AM »
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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2018, 07:44:18 AM »
So, if you were selling a car and getting your safety certificate, would a car pass or fail if the recall hasn't been rectified?

The next question of course, is....

Lets say, a car purchased a week ago, is involved in a prang and air bag injury or death occurs.
Is the person who checked off on the "Safety Cert" now in a situation where he can be sued, as the said car had faulty parts fitted.


&, is the brand-new car that you bought a little while ago, now no longer "fit for purpose", so you're entitled to return it to dealer / manufacturer for refund or replacement ???

Takata itself has since gone broke & been taken over, but I can see the same thing continuing to happen, possibly even to some actual car manufacturers :'(
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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2018, 07:01:03 PM »
Solve the Air Bag problem ,,,,, Don't run into anything that will trigger them  .
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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2018, 09:43:14 PM »
Only trouble is they use an explosive charge that is unstable. They can go off on their own in the right (or wrong) conditions.

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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2018, 06:09:38 AM »
So, if you were selling a car and getting your safety certificate, would a car pass or fail if the recall hasn't been rectified?

The next question of course, is....

Lets say, a car purchased a week ago, is involved in a prang and air bag injury or death occurs.
Is the person who checked off on the "Safety Cert" now in a situation where he can be sued, as the said car had faulty parts fitted.

The same would apply in NSW, you guys still have an annual check?

Unless the recall has been done with paperwork to prove it, i wouldn't be signing off on any roadworthy/safety certificates in a pink fit.
With the ambulance chasers always sniffing out a way to screw someone, its gunna happen.

Now its a national recall by the government, no-one can really plead ignorant in this situation anymore.




"These are the legal requirements for sellers, according to the ACCC

    If a car has been recalled, dealerships and businesses are required to have had the airbags replaced before selling them second-hand (though consumers should still double-check themselves that this has taken place)
    If a private individual is selling a car that's been recalled, there are no such legal requirements — they don't need to have had the airbags replaced prior to selling, and nor do they need to disclose the fact that the car has been recalled

However, it's not just about legal obligations

Paul Turner, spokesperson for motorist organisation RACQ, said it's about ensuring "transparency between buyer and seller".

He says people trying to sell second-hand cars at the moment should be telling potential buyers whether they've received a recall notice and whether the airbags have been replaced.

And even if sellers haven't received a recall notice, they should still be telling potential buyers if the car is on the list of affected vehicles.

    "If they've done that, they've probably fulfilled their obligation," Mr Turner said.

As a buyer, there are ways you can protect yourself

Mr Turner says this doesn't necessarily mean steering clear of potentially affected vehicles, especially since we're talking about millions of them.

    "You would seriously limit your market at the moment," he said.

Instead, Mr Turner says you need to take the right steps to ensure you're informed.
Is your car on the list?

Find out if your car is part of the biggest recall in automotive history.

"The way to protect yourself is to get the Vehicle Identification Number — the VIN — of the vehicle you want to purchase, and check either directly with the manufacturer or the local dealership for that mark," Mr Turner said.

    "That will tell you then whether that vehicle has already been in for the recall and had its airbag replaced."            :cheers:

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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2019, 10:04:13 AM »
Not really clear for cars that have already been recalled- and they are on the list- are they required to be recalled again?   Or is once enough?


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When we had our Mazda 6 done, they actually installed the exact same airbag made by takata, but much newer of course. When I asked if they would need to be changed again when they get older, they admitted that it would be very likely.  Not particularly reassuring.....

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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2019, 11:49:35 AM »
Bit more here.
https://www.productsafety.gov.au/recalls/compulsory-takata-airbag-recall/future-takata-airbag-recalls

Basically the massive size of the problem means some less than ideal fixes, with priority given to some cars.
Some cars here are on a "waiting list" to be added to the recall list.
Others have had replacement Takata bags, which in turn will again be recalled later.
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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2019, 02:55:02 PM »
The ****up that never ends.


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Major car manufacturers have raised the warning level for some models fitted with Takata airbags to "critical" after new assessments showed them to be even more dangerous than first believed.

The new warning affects about 20,000 Australian cars already under recall and comes from leading manufacturers including BMW, Holden, Honda, Mitsubishi and Toyota.

Major car manufacturers have raised Takata airbag warnings to "critical" for 20,000 Australian cars

The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission said none of the affected models should be driven.

The the urgent recall means drivers with affected models are entitled to have them towed to the dealership by the manufacturer and have the airbag replaced for free, said deputy ACCC chair Delia Rickard on Friday.

Affected models under the "critical" urgent recall include:

--   2010 Holden Cruze

--  Honda City MY2012, CR-V MY 2011, Insight MY2012-2013, Jazz MY2012-2014 & Jazz Hybrid MY2012-2013, Honda Civic MY2006-2011, Jazz Hybrid MY2012 and Legend MY2007-2012, Honda Accord MY2001-2007 and Honda MDX MY2003-2006.

--   2003 – 2005 Toyota Echo and Rav4

--    BMW 5 Series (E39) MY2002-2003, BMW 3 Series (E46) MY2001-2006 & BMW X5 (E53) MY2003

--    Mitsubishi 2014 ML & MN Triton.

Consumers can check whether their car is affected by visiting:

IsMyAirbagSafe.com.au and entering their state or territory and registration plate number, or by texting 0487 AIRBAG (247224) and following the prompts.

The vehicle manufacturer’s website and entering their VIN number in their recall database or by contacting them direct for information.
ProductSafety.gov.au and checking either the active or future recalls lists.


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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« Reply #17 on: October 05, 2019, 09:14:03 AM »
If it's now become that critical, why aren't the various Transport Dept's simply going out to each registered owner & saying, "Show me that they've been changed - they haven't? Yellow tag & car is now off the road till they're done" ??? ::) >:D
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« Reply #18 on: October 05, 2019, 01:25:01 PM »
If it's now become that critical, why aren't the various Transport Dept's simply going out to each registered owner & saying, "Show me that they've been changed - they haven't? Yellow tag & car is now off the road till they're done" ??? ::) >:D
maybe Takarta should be providing hire cars while people's cars are off the road awaiting repair!!
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« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2019, 04:36:05 AM »
They went belly up, so can't see that happening.

I see they are saying to have the car towed in for replacement.

I;m sort of guessing, have a certain built number or dates proven to be worse that others?

Got me stuffed.... but i'm not very bright though either.
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Re: Air Bags. The story is not over yet.
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2019, 07:29:42 AM »
So, if you were selling a car and getting your safety certificate, would a car pass or fail if the recall hasn't been rectified?


In QLD you're not required to replace the airbags if the sale is private, but you are if you're a dealer selling the vehicle. At least that was my understanding 6mths ago when I looked into this when I bought my Patrol ute as it was affected by the recall - I replaced the airbags pretty well immediately after purchasing it.

Also? For anyone reading this thread who might be putting it off saying "I can't be without my car"... For starters, this is potentially your life we're talking about. Secondly, they did mine in like 30mins while I waited then I drove to work. It was more painless than any other maintenance I've ever had done on a vehicle anywhere.
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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2019, 04:44:57 PM »
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For starters, this is potentially your life we're talking about.
yea better ban all those 100,000's of cars built before airbags were invented... ::)
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« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2019, 04:48:18 PM »
yea better ban all those 100,000's of cars built before airbags were invented... ::)

Ummm - how many of them are still on the road on a daily basis ???
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« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2019, 04:52:17 PM »
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Ummm - how many of them are still on the road on a daily basis ???
What cars with no airbags - AU wide? 10's of thousands

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rough figures 19 million cars on the road... fair chance Shit loads are in each camp



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MEDIA RELEASE
29 July 2019   
Embargoed: 11.30 am (Canberra time)
https://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/mediareleasesbytitle/28861A19CCDB9441CA25753D001B59DA?OpenDocument   
      
Motor vehicle registrations slow down

The national fleet of registered motor vehicles increased by 1.7 per cent from last year to 19.5 million registered vehicles in 2019, according to newly released ABS Motor Vehicle Census data.
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« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2019, 05:27:04 PM »
yea better ban all those 100,000's of cars built before airbags were invented... ::)

The last fatality that was in the news wasn't actually the impact of the head into the steering wheel that caused the fatality, it was the piece of metal that was fired by the airbag mechanism that severed his caratoid artery and spinal cord... That was the fatal deployment of the airbag that led to death, and yes, not having an airbag would have been safer.in that collision.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-23/faulty-takata-airbag-coroner-inquiry-death-cabramatta-man/11538628

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/man-who-died-in-airbag-malfunction-would-have-been-quadriplegic-if-he-survived-inquest-told-20190924-p52ucy.html (use private browsing to open)