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Re: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW
« Reply #125 on: March 11, 2015, 09:46:35 AM »
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« Reply #126 on: March 11, 2015, 05:53:14 PM »
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Re: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW
« Reply #127 on: March 11, 2015, 08:35:13 PM »
Interesting response from Coleman...




Where does that release come from?

Is that a picture of a coleman propane stove?

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Re: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW
« Reply #128 on: March 12, 2015, 07:25:40 AM »
To iced these listed in our local camping gear catalog last night. Can't remember which outlet, but think it was an Oztrail stove.

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Re: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW
« Reply #130 on: March 12, 2015, 07:37:57 PM »
From SA-
 
The stop sale applies to all lunchbox cookers except for the following:
Certification No: Brands Model numbers
6834 Campmaster, Kookaburra, Grillpro, Topstove, Fiesta, Falcon,
Wild Country, Freetime, Festiva, The Stove, Sunshine,
Campers Collection, Oztrail, Roman, Progaz, Escape, Gas
Craft and Spinifex
2270
5907 Campmaster, Kookaburra, Grillpro, Topstove, Fiesta, Falcon,
Wild Country, Freetime, Festiva, The Stove, Sunshine,
Campers Collection, Oztrail, Roman, Progaz, Escape and Gas
Craft Single Burner Stoves
CM2200,
FT2200,
ST2
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) is liaising with gas regulatory
authorities across the country to determine whether a nationwide recall is required.
Mr Koutsantonis urged the community not to use their existing lunchbox cookers unless they
are one of the models exempt from the temporary stop sale.

“If you do own one of these models, please check the manufacturer’s operating instructions
and read them carefully before use and ensure that you do not use an oversized pot or pan
which can add additional heat to the gas canisters,”

What you mean actually read the instructions and notice where the gas canister sits and not let a big pan or anything else heat it up while cooking?
Yes Minister...Duh!



 
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Re: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW
« Reply #131 on: March 12, 2015, 07:54:02 PM »
So these are the ones ok to use?
Looks similar to the nsw recalled list?
Or was the nsw list ok to use too?
Mine are the 2270 model listed here.....

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Re: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW
« Reply #132 on: March 15, 2015, 01:28:14 AM »
How's the form of NSW Fair Trading-
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-10/scramble-to-determine-safety-of-portable-gas-cookers/6296160
All we have reported is from Kirstan and Grace and a woman in NZ among 4 million cookers out there and NSW Fair Trading is suddenly jumping on social media inviting Kirstan and Grace to email them with their bad experiences and then presumably issuing a recall. What sort of gross overreaction and jerking off is going on here by these self appointed nannys? How many incidents can they actually confirm and what was the cause we may well ask among the 4 million cookers out there?

Is it perhaps anywhere near 266 in one year?
http://www.royallifesaving.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/11995/RLS_NDR2014_LR.pdf

These bedwetting wankers have some hard questions to answer and pronto, putting the wind up consumers and curtailing all our outdoor enjoyment on the say-so of a couple of schoolgirls' tales and an overseas woman on facebook. Show us what stats you've got and put up or shutup.
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Re: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW
« Reply #133 on: March 15, 2015, 06:28:06 AM »
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Re: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW
« Reply #134 on: March 15, 2015, 10:43:39 AM »
This has been handled terribly IMHO..

I can see the NSW fair trading having some interesting calls from the lawyers of the AGA and every single manufacturer and stockist of these things.

The level of inconsistent information is ridiculous.

NSW fair trading said to return the items to place of purchase for refund ..yet most retailers are simply saying its a stop sale not a recall... therefore you can still use yours as its not a recall.but they advise to cease usage until more info is avail... talk about half baked

so with the cost of the stop sale removal from shelving and storage they will want compensation in the event that the item is then allowed to be sold again.

Also the list of what's ok and what is not shows that they have no idea that there are many brands of these things and I doubt that they tested every one of them. thus now seeing that some of them are ok to use as per a list .

This is just stupid ... I am all for safety but honestly how much tax payers money has and will go into this sorry bloody saga.

If the issue is the trivet being able to be used upside down ..then first step would have been to test every single one that's been sold in aust because I have 2 that can be used this way and 3 with a safety that wont allow canister engagement without trivet being right way up.

if it is because of the large pan epidemic ..then regardless of the trivet safety issue the pan issue is common to all cookers.

seems they are now doing a few back flips ...

Another example of well spent tax dollars.

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Re: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW
« Reply #135 on: March 15, 2015, 10:45:31 AM »
How's the form of NSW Fair Trading-
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-03-10/scramble-to-determine-safety-of-portable-gas-cookers/6296160
All we have reported is from Kirstan and Grace and a woman in NZ among 4 million cookers out there and NSW Fair Trading is suddenly jumping on social media inviting Kirstan and Grace to email them with their bad experiences and then presumably issuing a recall. What sort of gross overreaction and jerking off is going on here by these self appointed nannys? How many incidents can they actually confirm and what was the cause we may well ask among the 4 million cookers out there?

Is it perhaps anywhere near 266 in one year?

http://www.royallifesaving.com.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/11995/RLS_NDR2014_LR.pdf

These bedwetting wankers have some hard questions to answer and pronto, putting the wind up consumers and curtailing all our outdoor enjoyment on the say-so of a couple of schoolgirls' tales and an overseas woman on facebook. Show us what stats you've got and put up or shutup.



Agreed,
But what of these cookers which were not made in China.
I, like you have two now for over 10 years and with no problem. The interesting thing is that both serial/model numbers don't appear on the so called list. Surprisingly both are also stamped "Made in Taiwan" go figure.

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Re: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW
« Reply #136 on: March 15, 2015, 01:10:16 PM »
And you read comments made by some of the brands and they are not getting clear answers from anyone as to what is 'wrong' with there cookers, to know what to do to make them meet the standards. 
It looks like a typical knee jerk reaction just in case of litigation. 

The one thing that really irritates with the whole hype is the media, including social media, reporting the cookers are 'Banned'.  They go on about reporting the facts and they can not even get the title right.  They are not banned, just withdrawn or suspended from sale and we are urged not to use them or asked to refrain from using them.   Not a single mention of the word 'Ban', 'Banned' or 'Banning' from the authorities only the media putting their hype on it and getting it wrong as usual.
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Re: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW
« Reply #137 on: March 16, 2015, 11:17:18 PM »
Wether a particular stove is recalled or not the main issue seems to be using a oversized pan.  Or using your cooker on top of an electric hot plate (see the video at the top).

I think this could be easily fixed by putting a vertical barrier of some description that stops you putting a pan over the canister or putting two longer points on one side of the trivet and making it so it will still reverse for packing away and will only go in one way for setup.  Then your pan would be on the piss if you put it over the canister. 

Don't get me wrong I don't think they should be recalled because people misuse them.  However when it comes to safety we have this "no fault" system/culture for the injured.

At work we did a commercial kitchen and as part of it we install a couple of 200L boiling billies.  Basically a massive urn mounted on the wall.  It has "boiling billy" embossed on the front of it, right in your face.  A worker in the kitchen nearly burnt themselves when they washed their hands under the tap on the "BOILING" billy, they were lucky that it had been used just before and hadn't fully recovered.  As a result of the incident we had to put a sign on the unit saying - danger boiling water.

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« Reply #138 on: March 17, 2015, 05:26:39 AM »
Agree BigDog, the ban should be for oversized frypans and ignorant folks that use them, not the cooker!!!
Not wishing that anyone get hurt or injured, but yet again, a minority stuff it up for the majority.  Ban the Big Pan I say...
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Re: Portable butane cookers withdrawn from sale in NSW
« Reply #139 on: March 17, 2015, 08:48:21 AM »
Well there it was in the Supercheap Auto catalogue- Butane 4 gas pack for $4.48 so still on sale (and in small print with no pic -Also available: Single butane stove- $13.80) but what caught my eye was 'CRV SAFETY CAN' on the pack which stands for 'countersink release vent' safety system and a quick Google and here's the lowdown-
http://wckp.buykorea.org/pav/BKKBPA032C.html?GOODS_SN=3003239&PAVLN_SN=3000001

Seems our Asian friends have had a lot more experience with these cookers and notice from the video how it takes heating the can extremely unusually to cause the problem.

Bingo! Make sure you purchase only CRV butane gas cans in future and dispose of any doubtful ones, just in case, although it already appears suppliers have woken up to the dickhead misuse risk.
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« Reply #141 on: March 17, 2015, 10:07:15 AM »
As I said in your other post, CRV butane canisters have been around for ages and I would be surprised if you could still buy a non-CRV can.

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« Reply #142 on: March 17, 2015, 08:14:33 PM »
just got the latest se queensland rays outdoors catalogue and it has both the single and double burner on special.

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« Reply #143 on: March 17, 2015, 08:20:12 PM »
Rays in geelong have withdrawn them until further notice.
They told me that they were doing it at a national level for public safty....blah blah.

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« Reply #144 on: March 17, 2015, 08:41:54 PM »
just got the latest se queensland rays outdoors catalogue and it has both the single and double burner on special.

Just guessing that sale catalogues are compiled and printed weeks, if not months, before the actual sale.  The cooker recall is reletively recent.  Also guessing none will actually be on store shelves.

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« Reply #145 on: March 18, 2015, 09:03:51 PM »
 
Agree BigDog, the ban should be for oversized frypans and ignorant folks that use them, not the cooker!!!
Not wishing that anyone get hurt or injured, but yet again, a minority stuff it up for the majority.  Ban the Big Pan I say...

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« Reply #146 on: March 20, 2015, 07:15:18 PM »
i can confirm my local rays is selling the crv butane cans but no stoves at all. bcf is still selling the dual burners but no single ones. they are also selling campmaster crv safety cans and campanion cans that dont say crv but do say they comply with em417 and dot2p whatever that means.
this is in qld by the way

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« Reply #147 on: March 26, 2015, 04:13:34 PM »
Hello All
K.B, The Companion group with both their Primus branded as well as the Companion branded canisters are not CRV cans.
Also more info on the recall from the Dept of Natural Resources and Mines from QLD.
https://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/mining/safety-and-health/alerts-bulletins-search/alerts-bulletins/petroleum-gas/butane-gas-cookers
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« Reply #148 on: March 26, 2015, 05:57:27 PM »
Hello All
K.B, The Companion group with both their Primus branded as well as the Companion branded canisters are not CRV cans.
Also more info on the recall from the Dept of Natural Resources and Mines from QLD.
https://www.dnrm.qld.gov.au/mining/safety-and-health/alerts-bulletins-search/alerts-bulletins/petroleum-gas/butane-gas-cookers
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Interesting article.

None of the Key Issues relate to using the cookers properly

Key issues

A fault has been identified in certain butane portable cookers with certificate numbers. The fault relates to the safety release mechanism. This mechanism ejects the canister should it become overpressurised. Overpressurisation results from increased temperature, which can be due to:

incorrect assembly of the appliance (e.g. the trivet being placed incorrectly)
use of an oversized pan, reflecting the heat from the burner back onto the butane canister
placing the canister cooker on top of another cooking appliance (e.g. BBQ) while still hot
leaving the butane canister and/or appliance inside a vehicle or direct sunlight.
Some people may currently possess a butane portable cooker where the safety release mechanism is NOT working. This represents a health and safety risk to the user.


Also no mention of any recall.  Just suspended from sale. 
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« Reply #149 on: March 27, 2015, 05:14:28 AM »

Interesting article.

None of the Key Issues relate to using the cookers properly

Key issues

A fault has been identified in certain butane portable cookers with certificate numbers. The fault relates to the safety release mechanism. This mechanism ejects the canister should it become overpressurised. Overpressurisation results from increased temperature, which can be due to:

incorrect assembly of the appliance (e.g. the trivet being placed incorrectly)
use of an oversized pan, reflecting the heat from the burner back onto the butane canister
placing the canister cooker on top of another cooking appliance (e.g. BBQ) while still hot
leaving the butane canister and/or appliance inside a vehicle or direct sunlight.
Some people may currently possess a butane portable cooker where the safety release mechanism is NOT working. This represents a health and safety risk to the user.


Also no mention of any recall.  Just suspended from sale.

That's the most detailed release I've seen so far.  The fault is clearly the cooker and not the can.  If can gets too hot, which will cause the pressure to increase the can should disconnect shutting down the cooker.  This should occur before can explodes or CRV does its thing.

I also like the list has all the separate approval numbers.

KB there are heaps of non CRV cans.  Jackaroo (KMart) is another.
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