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« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2013, 05:53:55 PM »
Congrats Wes & Socks.
Hope the building and pest work out OK. What suburb.....

Hey MDS we grabbed a great place in rouse hill, thanks for the kind words


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« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2013, 05:57:32 PM »
Its really only just starting to lift again.
If the market starts to run properly again, i.e. not like the 2003 boom, but in a normal scenario, you are probably better off buying now rather than trying to save and keep up. Your income cannot be capitalized as fast as the value of a property compounding.

Agree, that's why I'm making offers now - I've already waited for over a year.  The prices in the suburbs I'm looking at have bottomed, and are starting to creep up a bit now.

Our agent included the price but not the address to ensure all leads came through the office. Calling for the address allowed them to qualify the buyer as well as add them to the mailing lists.

They all have different 'strategies' - some will not advertise a price, some will, some will not list the address, some will.

I personally gloss over houses that don't list a price or address.  I want to know the price so I know if I'm wasting my time or not looking at it, and I want to know an address so I can see the distance to train stations etc without giving my details to an agent.  I'm sure those strategies work for some, but as a buyer they don't work for me.
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« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2013, 07:12:51 PM »
Come to Tassie & buy my house . . . . .

It's not over priced for the area. Has a big man cave with workshop & parking for 2 big vehicles etc.

We have had 3 contracts for around what we have asked & so far all 3 have fallen over as the banks won't lend them the money . . . .

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« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2013, 07:28:55 PM »
I personally gloss over houses that don't list a price or address. 

Likewise, I'd want to know the address so I can do a drive by, if I like what I see that's when I'd contact the agent, the same for rental houses.

I also ignore the houses with a price range, I wouldn't be inclined to offer above the lowest stated figure anyway, and it doesn't make me think it's worth any more than the lowest figure.
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« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2013, 07:44:07 PM »
Our agent included the price but not the address to ensure all leads came through the office. Calling for the address allowed them to qualify the buyer as well as add them to the mailing lists.

Perhaps this is just taking this to the next extreme.

Oh you have no idea about the level of data a real estate agency collects, and then the massive amounts of data the franchisor, has available. The statistical information is almost endless.

The really interesting thing thats evolving in the market is the information thats is collected about each and every property. Take a bog standard search provider like RPData, most agents use one like this. Now RPData is owned a group called Corelogic. Corelogic owns a suite of other information gatherers and providers. It also provides the systems that most valuers use when they value a house or property that you buy. This information is being collected and collated into single systems. So it won't be long before an agent, or anyone with a subscription can jump online and basically look at your house from a virtual perspective in great detail and I am talking photos, videos, plans, measurements, days on market, sale history, rental prices the lot.

The really good residential operators I know will also sell you your mortgage, insurance, arrange your movers and temporary accommodation if required.

Obviously I don't work in resi like Mark and KJohn, and commercial is a bit of a different specialty, but the seemlessness thats now developing in Real Estate, particularly resi,  is only just the tip of the iceberg, and its because of this data collection that this is all happening.

I could go on and on

Cheers Nomad

This is all done in the name of market transparency.


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« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2013, 07:57:14 PM »
Our agent included the price but not the address to ensure all leads came through the office. Calling for the address allowed them to qualify the buyer as well as add them to the mailing lists.

Perhaps this is just taking this to the next extreme.

Hang on - they told you that they didn't want to add your address (which turns off alot of buyers in the first place), because they want to add buyers to their mailing list????  Who are these people working for??? 

And they didn't go back for counter offers because they had so many???  They could have pushed their luck with a few to see how far they would go (again working in the bests in the owner), and could have netted you another $5,000- $10,000!!!

I know you said you were happy with them, but I personally would be pissed!
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« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2013, 08:03:36 PM »
Sorry JKohn,

I spelt your name incorrectly.
Would an agent do this because it is an open agency scenario...maybe agent paid advertising?.......Its pretty common in commercial leasing, though I do agree its poor form.


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« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2013, 08:45:28 PM »
Sorry JKohn,

I spelt your name incorrectly.
Would an agent do this because it is an open agency scenario...maybe agent paid advertising?.......Its pretty common in commercial leasing, though I do agree its poor form.


Cheers Nomad.  :cheers:

Hey Nomad,
We don't do open agency listings over here in SA.  It was deemed to work against the seller as the agent will take the first offer they get rather than spend the time negotiating on behalf of the owner.

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« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2013, 08:47:49 PM »
Good system,
so do you do exclusive only?
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« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2013, 08:48:11 PM »
Hang on - they told you that they didn't want to add your address (which turns off alot of buyers in the first place), because they want to add buyers to their mailing list????  Who are these people working for??? 

And they didn't go back for counter offers because they had so many???  They could have pushed their luck with a few to see how far they would go (again working in the bests in the owner), and could have netted you another $5,000- $10,000!!!

I know you said you were happy with them, but I personally would be pissed!

Bunyip sold his house recently in the same market we are looking at buying. Around here the market is simply crazy! There are 30+ families looking at each open home and sometimes that can be up to 60+. Buyers are pushing up prices by a hell of a lot! Agents don't have to work around here at the moment. They can use the tactics we all hate such ad offers over, orice guides and just lusted advertising. And ou know what! It works! Vendors are getting really really good money. Houses are selling within hours of an open home and the agents just take the highest offer to the vendor. Simple. Crazy! But that's how it it around here



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« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2013, 09:20:04 AM »
Hang on - they told you that they didn't want to add your address (which turns off alot of buyers in the first place), because they want to add buyers to their mailing list????  Who are these people working for??? 

And they didn't go back for counter offers because they had so many???  They could have pushed their luck with a few to see how far they would go (again working in the bests in the owner), and could have netted you another $5,000- $10,000!!!

I know you said you were happy with them, but I personally would be pissed!

They didn't tell me they wanted to add to their mailing list, I should have made it clear that that was my assumption.

Yeah I was happy with them as the other two guys that we talked to were never going to ask anywhere near the asking price ($x50000 rather than $x75000). Remember that we needed this property gone quickly due to me being an unemployed bum. 4 days on the market. Perhaps we could have gone better but we got close to the record price for a 3 bed, 1 bath house in our suburb so not sure there was much meat left on the bone.

*edit* it was exclusive and agent paid advertising. As Socks said houses go really quickly.
They did negotiate with the purchaser and got his initial offer up $15K before presenting it too us so they did work for me. I am not defending them as this was the first house I sold I am really only going off the "reality" shows on how this is done.

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« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2013, 11:24:07 AM »
Nomad - we only do exclusive agreements (we call them sole agency agreements).  Rarely on a mansion worth a few million you may get two agents working on the one property but it is extremely rare.

Bunyip - the most important thing is that you are happy and achieved what you needed/wanted to out of the transaction  :cheers:

As for pricing - here in SA we are not allowed to use Offers Above/Over, or use the terms low/mid/high when quoting a price.  We are allowed to use price ranges but only within 10% eg $400,000-$440,000 etc.
At auctions everyone who wants to bid has to register first, then hold up a number when making a bid and the auctioneer has to call out that number when that person makes the bid eg: $400,000 now with bidder 42.

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« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2013, 12:43:20 PM »
Come to Tassie & buy my house . . . . .

It's not over priced for the area. Has a big man cave with workshop & parking for 2 big vehicles etc.

We have had 3 contracts for around what we have asked & so far all 3 have fallen over as the banks won't lend them the money . . . .
last house i purchased had a pre aproval for x amount from bank, via mortgage broker in writing, 2 months later had an offer accepted went to apply for loan only circumstances that changed from pre aproval was more put towards as deposit, only to get knocked back on saying we can only borrow 23k less than we got pre approval on, so placed an offer on another house for what the bank said they would loan us offer accepted went to sort out finance only to get knocked back from bank again saying only can loan 9k less- this happened 3 times finally got a house and three months after living there agent selling the first house said the vendors are willing to drop 50k on original offer  ???
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« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2013, 12:55:55 PM »

We had a buyer that put down a $15,000 deposit on a unit. after asking him 3 times do you need finance he said no it will be cash. No Problem. 30 days later we are about to settle and he then says he better check with his bank who had given him a pre approval. WTF,  Bummer the bank changed its mind and would not approve him. He tried 2 other banks no luck. In the end he could not settle and he lost his deposit that went to the seller for breaching the contract.

Pre approvals really depend on the banks criteria. Some times they are not worth the paper they are written on. Plus the property has to stack up to valuation depending on the amount you are borrowing.   

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« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2013, 01:07:10 PM »
We had a buyer that put down a $15,000 deposit on a unit. after asking him 3 times do you need finance he said no it will be cash. No Problem. 30 days later we are about to settle and he then says he better check with his bank who had given him a pre approval. WTF,  Bummer the bank changed its mind and would not approve him. He tried 2 other banks no luck. In the end he could not settle and he lost his deposit that went to the seller for breaching the contract.

Pre approvals really depend on the banks criteria. Some times they are not worth the paper they are written on. Plus the property has to stack up to valuation depending on the amount you are borrowing.   

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« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2013, 01:28:49 PM »
Weso and Socks,

This thread has been hijacked!  ;D

Back to the OP topic, when do you settle? bet you cannot wait!!!

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« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2013, 01:54:50 PM »
Congrats on your new house, I like that shiny and new feeling I get when I purchase a new property! I tends to go away the first time you have to clean the toilet though!

We have an agent around here who puts expressions of interest on every.single.listing.he.has, drives me insane. Doesn't matter what type of house it is, that's how he markets it. Even the oh so common for the area 3 bed, 1 bath houses - expressions of interest.

But the really annoying thing..... It works ????

We bought our house off him, we low balled with the aim of getting the price - worked!

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« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2013, 01:58:41 PM »
Its really only just starting to lift again.
If the market starts to run properly again, i.e. not like the 2003 boom, but in a normal scenario,

Maybe where you are, but western Sydney is on fire, prices have shifted up about 10% to 20 in the last 18 months in the  sub 500k market

I have just been offered a 25% premium on a property I bought 2 years ago on small acreage outskirts of west Sydney

Congrats weso on your purchase, Rouse Hill will kick plenty of goals in years to come
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« Reply #68 on: August 16, 2013, 06:34:47 PM »
Sydney is always the start of the market, in a national price recovery, excluding the mining influence in regional areas.

What your saying confirms my opinion.

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« Reply #69 on: August 16, 2013, 07:02:58 PM »
Pre approvals really depend on the banks criteria. Some times they are not worth the paper they are written on.

And another problem with pre-approvals is that depending upon how they are done, they appear as a "credit application" on your credit history report. It will be for the full amount of money, even though you never actually got the money.

This can make future lenders wary if it looks like you apply for finance all the time.

I say if you haven't got about 10% deposit + plus stamp duty + conveyancing costs, then you best be thinking about saving.

And that's just it - you need to think about the full cost to complete the sale, not just the deposit.

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« Reply #70 on: August 16, 2013, 07:21:30 PM »
For my two bobs when I'm looking to buy I engage one agent and let him do all the work. If its an exclusive listing we usually have no worries with the agent getting an agreement on the side to bring in a potential buyer that would not usually be looking.
We email him houses if they vary to our description and has worked well in the past
They also have to do the negotiation etc so you can take the emotion out of the conversations
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« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2013, 10:07:46 PM »
Weso and Socks,

This thread has been hijacked!  ;D

Back to the OP topic, when do you settle? bet you cannot wait!!!

Congrats.

Thanks bunyip. Loads to do in the next 5 weeks. Short settlement cause otherwise we would be settling on the day before the national meet and we can't have that hey! This way we move in and head out camping a week later OMG!!


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« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2013, 10:10:02 PM »
Thanks bunyip. Loads to do in the next 5 weeks. Short settlement cause otherwise we would be settling on the day before the national meet and we can't have that hey! This way we move in and head out camping a week later OMG!!


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« Reply #73 on: August 16, 2013, 10:20:25 PM »

Triple garage and white picket fence congrats guys.

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« Reply #74 on: August 16, 2013, 10:24:59 PM »
I sat through a Bernard Salt presentation this morning. Give it 5 years and all the baby boomers will be selling there big arse suburban houses to downsize and that market will be flooded with choice, if you believe the data...
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