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« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2013, 03:39:45 PM »

Unfortunately this is becoming common now for good houses to be marketed in this "market preview" state before a price is published. Buyers are invited in an shown the house without being given a specific price, rather they are asked to make an offer. Desperate buyers get carried away and if there are multiple buys on-site it can turn into a mini informal auction.  Its great for the vendor but its terrible for the buyer as they can end up valuing the house themselves and paying too much.

A buyer will only pay what a buyer is willing to pay, regardless if they are the only person interested in the house or there are ten people interested in the house.  The agent asked them what it was worth to them.  It was worth $20k above what your expectation may have been, but they may have felt that for what they were looking for, their offer was a bargain.

Saying they over valued the house is wrong, perhaps you under valued the house, what makes you right and them wrong?  It also works vice versa as well.  Often the owner over values the house (puts a high price on it) and the buyer under values it (submits a low offer).  Who's right??


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« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2013, 03:46:34 PM »
What suburb you looking to buy in Weso? I have a good reliable friend who is an agent for Bennets in the Hawkesbury.

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« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2013, 03:57:14 PM »
A buyer will only pay what a buyer is willing to pay, regardless if they are the only person interested in the house or there are ten people interested in the house.  The agent asked them what it was worth to them.  It was worth $20k above what your expectation may have been, but they may have felt that for what they were looking for, their offer was a bargain.

Saying they over valued the house is wrong, perhaps you under valued the house, what makes you right and them wrong?  It also works vice versa as well.  Often the owner over values the house (puts a high price on it) and the buyer under values it (submits a low offer).  Who's right??

So the Agent valued it at about $420K from memory which became the price expectation and what the Internet ads would have been (had they been listed).

It was certainly a big surprise when the Agent came back saying they had secured a price much higher than that and in less than 24 hours. Normally its wait 3 - 4 weeks and get a price $20K lower. But if the buyer was happy with the price paid then it doesn't matter, so I take your point.

I just warn others though of this kind of practice taking place. Whether its right or wrong, just make sure you tread carefully when you look at a property that doesn't have a listed price tag on it. That's all.

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« Reply #28 on: August 14, 2013, 04:47:35 PM »
Hey guys,

We have just been through this process of our new home. Here are some tips.

1. Have your financed approved so you know your budget and don't waste people's time.

2. If you like an area, drive around during the week, during the weekend and at night.

3. Check out the neighbours. Is their place maintained or full of Centerlink employees with 7 cars on the front lawn.

4. Check the local cop shop and get their opinion on the area.

5. Do your home work on what properties sold for in the local area.

6. If you decide on a place and you offer a realistic price. Make an offer but don't budge. Tell them this is a one time and final offer. But you need to offer a realistic offer.

7. If you offer way under market value, offer something in return. Since the new owners were moving interstate and not yet found a house, we offered a 90 day settlement.

8. If the new property has something the owners have and you want, include this in the offer. I wanted his John Deer ride on and out door setting included. Since he was moving interstate and into a smaller house, he didn't need them any more.

9. Ask the agent what what the owners plans are, then refer to question 8.

10. All contract must have "subject to building and pest inspections".
 
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« Reply #29 on: August 14, 2013, 04:55:20 PM »
11. If it seams too hard and the gut feeling tells you it doesn't fell right, move on.

12. You know this is the house because every thing will fall into place and it will be a breeze.

13. If it gets to hard and you start getting pissed off and loosing sleep, move on. This is not the house for you.

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« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2013, 05:30:24 PM »
Insight into selling Realestate.

A seller calls you in and wants you to sell their home. You sit down and chat to the seller and find the reasons for selling, have they sold before with a real estate agent, were they happy with the agent they used previously, is there a figure they want to achieve, how much do they wish to spend on marketing, what options do they wish to market the home ( auction or a price), show them recent sales for comparison properties sold in the area, tell them what buyers you may have looking for a property like theirs, sell the benefits of the office you work for, explain that you work 7 days a week and have constant training in negotiating to achieve the very best from a buyer

The seller will then ask you what you think the home is worth and what they could achieve. Mr seller there will be 3 prices mentioned. The price I may think its worth to a buyer, the price you want to achieve and what a buyer will pay. It does not matter what I think the home is worth as I am not buying it, it boils down to what a buyer in the market will pay. I have an idea going on recent sales but the seller wants to achieve $50,000 more. Mr seller you have the right to market the property at the price you want to achieve. At this stage the seller will decide  after interviewing a number of agents to decide who they will pick to sell their home. They will take into consideration your proposal, if they have bonded and feel comfortable with you, the amount of commission you will charge, the marketing budget you proposed ( they all want the agent to pay or spend as little as possible and want you to cut your commission), how professional you are etc. A number of sellers will only consider agents who their cut commission, an agent who over inflates the selling price and the agent who pays for all or most of the marketing even thou they have poor negotiating skills. At this stage you have not got the job but wait for them to say yes or no.

You get the job. You arrange professional photos , write a script, download the property on the Internet, book press ads ( only if they want to spend money on that medium ) , put up the sign , bring the other agents from the office through the home so that they are aware of the features of the home, put the property through the database, do letter box drops around the area, contact the buyers you have, arrange inspections, do up date reports, have meetings in the evening with the sellers to go over the marketing, arrange the next weekend ad and work Sat and Sun doing open homes, more meetings after the open home and mid week, take more buyers through, submit an offer that is declined, give feedback to the sellers and keep doing this for 4 weeks until the press marketing is finished. In this time no further offers and you discuss with the sellers we need to reposition the price, I don't want to give it away which is the typical response from the seller. Price is repositioned. Still no offers or inspections on the home. More meetings and another request to reposition the price. The home has been on the market for 2 months and other agents have contacted the seller telling them they have buyers and to list their home with them. At this stage the seller will either go with the other agent and fall for the lies and you have wasted time and money or they will listen to you and a sale is forthcoming. Great I will get paid in 35 days. The property then falls over on either the pest and building inspection or finance after 21 days. Bugger have to start again and find more buyers. This happened to me recently as the property fell over twice on pest and building and finance. Finally sold it and got paid after 4 months on the market. The property sold for $347,000 and my share after tax was $2500 approx. Not bad for the work done over 4 months.

A buyer wants a bargain like we all do and it all boils down to negotiation. Remember one day you will sell and if the agent you purchased the house from pushed you to your limit or above you would want that agent to sell your home rather than an agent who worked for you as the buyer as they will do the same to the buyer when  you are selling.

In the mean time you have to prospect for more properties, call people this is done after hours or on weekends as most people are home send out letters and do letter box drops,  do this over and over to achieve an income. You may have a day off during the week but normally I drop in as you get buyers calling you, emails to answer etc. Why not work less hours, you can but with competition from other agents looking for properties to sell like you are, you have to be out and about all the time. Hence not many people last long in the industry.

As mentioned buyers can be actively looking or just wasting your time. You have to interview them and work out at what stage they are at. Have they just started looking and in no rush to buy but want to inspect everything you have, are ready to go and have finance approved and have a budget whether it is self imposed or bank imposed, need to sell first but still want to look at properties, got no idea how much they can borrow but want to look at properties, on holidays and just killing time but want to look at properties etc.

Try it one day and let me know what it's like. Yes it can be rewarding but long hours, away from the family.

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« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2013, 06:06:13 PM »
I insist the agent put my offer in a contract before it is submitted that way I know at least he must be serious if he has to put the time in for the paperwork.

I understand that they are required to submit all offers so it is a good indicator.


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« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2013, 06:35:42 PM »
I insist the agent put my offer in a contract before it is submitted that way I know at least he must be serious if he has to put the time in for the paperwork.

I understand that they are required to submit all offers so it is a good indicator.


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By right all offers must be submitted in writing , in Qld anyway, this way the seller knows the buyer is serious and for the buyer it is too hard to dismiss by the seller without thinking about the offer.Verbal offers are easy to dismiss and never have all the facts associated with the offer.Plus it weeds out the  buyers who are not serious. I have had sellers say do not bring me offers under xyz, but I take all offers to a seller.

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« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2013, 06:42:36 PM »
By right all offers must be submitted in writing , in Qld anyway........

It's the same in Vic, Mark.

Good write-up at reply #30
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« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2013, 06:53:49 PM »
What I dont get is why people get so worked up over it all.

If you dont like agents then sell it yourself.

Be happy.  Be nice.  Don't get cranky.  Don't be greedy.   

Work out what YOU want to pay for a property or how much YOU want to sell for and own the decision.  This is the biggest problem - Owner wants a billion dollars and when no one wants to pay a billion dollars its every one else's fault.  Buyer wants it for free and gets upset when they want money for it.

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« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2013, 07:14:17 PM »
Spot on Dazzler,

And another thing.

Often agents put more work into selling a crappy $100,000 property than a $500,000.00 one. Don't ask me why but the level of work is usually much more because every dollar counts to both buyer and seller.

This week I sold a shed for $90K.....which was a phenominal amount of f^cking around, especially for the fee level, and leased a medical centre and office that has an annual rent of $250K. Guess which deal was easier to do.

I have to comment on the commission statement as well, the one about discounting by 25% if it sells under a set price.............Good luck getting a decent agent working for you on that type of structure.............yes I agree you will get the bottom feeders, but not the ones who can probably achieve your (realistic) price expectation.

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« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2013, 07:31:46 PM »
Well written Mark.

People think that being a real estate agent is a cushy job - earn $150k a year and drive a nice car - what crap.  No wonder less than 5% make it past the first 12 months in real estate.

It is very easy for people to bag agents, but try seeing it from our point of view (which is what Mark wrote above). I've lost count of the number of times I have missed out on part of my kids b'day parties, family functions, putting my kids to bed, and being able to go places with them on weekends.  With a commission only job, if you don't put in the hours and effort, there is no income.

There are good agents out there and as was said previously, this job is based on referrals.  Ask people you know who they sold with - if they were happy with their agent then they will be happy to pass their name on.

By the way, offers have to be in writing in SA too.  If someone doesn't want to write up an offer, then they are not that serious.

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« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2013, 09:59:30 PM »
I found it all very easy.
Work 2 jobs and saved $17K.
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« Reply #38 on: August 14, 2013, 10:05:49 PM »
Many of your points are valid in an easy market. Fact is though that at this present time the market is crazy. You can't not look at the "just listed", " offers over" or "offers between" homes. Things sell within a couple of hours of the open home. It's damn crazy, and its being made worse by people paying too much!


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« Reply #39 on: August 14, 2013, 10:16:07 PM »
Many of your points are valid in an easy market. Fact is though that at this present time the market is crazy. You can't not look at the "just listed", " offers over" or "offers between" homes. Things sell within a couple of hours of the open home. It's damn crazy, and its being made worse by people paying too much!


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Regretfully it sounds like a sellers market where you are and they can take advantage of this. i would if i was a seller. If you don't pay the price another buyer will. It is hard buying in a market like this but for the seller it's great.

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« Reply #40 on: August 14, 2013, 10:16:30 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: August 14, 2013, 10:22:01 PM »
We just sold and were very happy witht he agent, but as you said Weso houses are selling in days.

We had enough offers that the agent didn't go back for a counter offer (he probably should but had got us $15K more than we were hoping for so I shut my mouth).

They work on the basis that you provided your best offer for the property. Not sure if this is the best way of doing it but as I said they got us a great price.

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« Reply #42 on: August 14, 2013, 10:41:31 PM »
Many of your points are valid in an easy market. Fact is though that at this present time the market is crazy. You can't not look at the "just listed", " offers over" or "offers between" homes. Things sell within a couple of hours of the open home. It's damn crazy, and its being made worse by people paying too much!

I've seen a lot of that in Brisbane as well.  The way I look at it is that it is a $%^&load of money to be shelling out, so I'm happy to wait the market out and keep growing the deposit until the prices level out.  What is really driving it up is the investors, no wonder people aren't able to own their own home anymore.
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« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2013, 11:09:57 PM »
Do you know what, agents drive me f!ing crazy. I exploded at one this afternoon when she tried to do the counter offer thing after promising socks that, that wasn't the way she operated, i gave an ultimatum that my offer stood until 5:00 pm and at 5:01pm it was no longer valid and I would walk away. In the end though, her sales agent partner came back to us within an hour with an acceptance of our offer and we may now be the proud owners of a home together!!  Lets hope building/pest is ok.........
Thanks for all the replies but all this happened before I got time to read any of them.

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« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2013, 11:19:32 PM »
... the agent I bought this place off of, when she got the job to sell the house, walked round telling that the people who lived here 30yrs that they were getting divorced... Neighbours, people over the road the works...

The owners here hadn't told anybody yet as they hadn't got round to it.... they were ropeable when they found out.. I wish they would have gone elsewhere, I hated the bitch myself where I was ready to walk away, but the ex-mistake said this was the place to buy
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« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2013, 06:51:12 AM »
I've seen a lot of that in Brisbane as well.  The way I look at it is that it is a $%^&load of money to be shelling out, so I'm happy to wait the market out and keep growing the deposit until the prices level out.  What is really driving it up is the investors, no wonder people aren't able to own their own home anymore.

Its really only just starting to lift again.
If the market starts to run properly again, i.e. not like the 2003 boom, but in a normal scenario, you are probably better off buying now rather than trying to save and keep up. Your income cannot be capitalized as fast as the value of a property compounding.

My old rule with buying and selling, and it has worked for me for 20 years is that the price is right when a seller thinks they have taken to low a price and the buyer thinks the have paid to much.

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« Reply #47 on: August 15, 2013, 09:57:47 AM »
Do you know what, agents drive me f!ing crazy. I exploded at one this afternoon when she tried to do the counter offer thing after promising socks that, that wasn't the way she operated, i gave an ultimatum that my offer stood until 5:00 pm and at 5:01pm it was no longer valid and I would walk away. In the end though, her sales agent partner came back to us within an hour with an acceptance of our offer and we may now be the proud owners of a home together!!  Lets hope building/pest is ok.........
Thanks for all the replies but all this happened before I got time to read any of them.

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« Reply #48 on: August 15, 2013, 11:34:20 AM »
I have been looking at property and find it interesting to see houses online with 'For sale now', with no price, I thought that it would be obvious that it is for sale if it is on a well known real estate website... I want to know the price... ;D

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« Reply #49 on: August 15, 2013, 05:09:17 PM »
Our agent included the price but not the address to ensure all leads came through the office. Calling for the address allowed them to qualify the buyer as well as add them to the mailing lists.

Perhaps this is just taking this to the next extreme.
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