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Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 13, 2020, 07:46:30 AM
Short, informative  and honest statements about the virus.

If everyone took notice of this we should all do well.

https://youtu.be/vpALWJBQq2M

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on March 13, 2020, 08:23:08 AM
Thank you biggish. That is very informative. It would be nice if they could splash that across the media instead of the Clive Dunn style Shite they're throwing out there.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 13, 2020, 08:36:03 AM
World Health Org site.

https://www.who.int/ (https://www.who.int/)


Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19) Situation
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/685d0ace521648f8a5beeeee1b9125cd (https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/685d0ace521648f8a5beeeee1b9125cd)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on March 13, 2020, 10:19:51 AM
Short, informative  and honest statements about the virus.

If everyone took notice of this we should all do well.

https://youtu.be/vpALWJBQq2M

So all the same symptoms of the flu, with the same at risk people needing to seek attention etc, transmission appears to be the same as the flu, so can someone please explain to me why are we shutting everything down and stuffing the economy.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 13, 2020, 10:32:45 AM
So all the same symptoms of the flu, with the same at risk people needing to seek attention etc, transmission appears to be the same as the flu, so can someone please explain to me why are we shutting everything down and stuffing the economy.
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Probably because we have a vaccine to help stop the flu affecting many people.  This one has no vaccine so there is no way of helping you from getting it.... ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on March 13, 2020, 10:33:43 AM
So all the same symptoms of the flu, with the same at risk people needing to seek attention etc, transmission appears to be the same as the flu, so can someone please explain to me why are we shutting everything down and stuffing the economy.

To reduce the rate of infection so that hospitals and other health professionals dont get over run by mass cases involving older and the chronically challenged  at one time.  Smoothing the incidence rate.  The hospital system in Italy is on the verge of breaking down.

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/federal/doctor-warns-of-tough-decisions-about-access-to-care-in-a-pandemic-20200312-p549b3.html

A recent post from FB.

I am writing to you from Bergamo, Italy, at the heart of the coronavirus crisis. The news media in the US has not captured the severity of what is happening here. I am writing this post because each of you, today, not the government, not the school district, not the mayor, each individual citizen has the chance, today to take actions that will deter the Italian situation from becoming your own country’s reality. The only way to stop this virus is to limit contagion. And the only way to limit contagion is for millions of people to change their behavior today.

If you are in Europe or the US you are weeks away from where we are today in Italy.

I can hear you now. “It’s just a flu. It only affects old people with preconditions”

There are 2 reasons why Coronavirus has brought Italy to it’s knees. First it is a flu is devastating when people get really sick they need weeks of ICU – and, second, because of how fast and effectively it spreads. There is 2 week incubation period and many who have it never show symptoms.

When Prime Minister Conte announced last night that the entire country, 60 million people, would go on lock down, the line that struck me most was “there is no more time.” Because to be clear, this national lock down, is a hail mary. What he means is that if the numbers of contagion do not start to go down, the system, Italy, will collapse.

Why? Today the ICUs in Lombardy are at capacity – more than capacity. They have begun to put ICU units in the hallways. If the numbers do not go down, the growth rate of contagion tells us that there will be thousands of people who in a matter of a week? two weeks? who will need care. What will happen when there are 100, or a 1000 people who need the hospital and only a few ICU places left?

On Monday a doctor wrote in the paper that they have begun to have to decide who lives and who dies when the patients show up in the emergency room, like what is done in war. This will only get worse.

There are a finite number of drs, nurses, medical staff and they are getting the virus. They have also been working non-stop, non-stop for days and days. What happens when the drs, nurses and medical staff are simply not able to care for the patients, when they are not there?

And finally for those who say that this is just something that happens to old people, starting yesterday the hospitals are reporting that younger and younger patients – 40, 45, 18, are coming in for treatment.

You have a chance to make a difference and stop the spread in your country. Push for the entire office to work at home today, cancel birthday parties, and other gatherings, stay home as much as you can. If you have a fever, any fever, stay home. Push for school closures, now. Anything you can do to stop the spread, because it is spreading in your communities – there is a two week incubation period – and if you do these things now you can buy your medical system time.

And for those who say it is not possible to close the schools, and do all these other things, locking down Italy was beyond anyone’s imagination a week ago.

Soon you will not have a choice, so do what you can now.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on March 13, 2020, 10:37:58 AM
He certainly didn't say that Pottsy.COVID 19 is more infective and has a case fatality rate between 10x the flu on the low side (South Korea)  and 50x on the high side (Italy). If everyone gets it in a rush, the health system will collapse similar to Wuhan and Italy.If you can slow its progress with good hygiene and social isolation to reduce the rate of transmission, then you buy time for the health system to cope. It appears mainly the elderly are adversely affected but in Italy, the median age of patients requiring ventilation is 65, with the youngest being 20 years old. Obviously those with compromised immune systems such as cancer patients etc will also be greatly affected. Approximately 10% of those tested in China and Italy have required hospitalisation for intubation or oxygen therapy. Health systems across the world simply do not have enough capacity (beds, staff, ventilation equipment) to deal with an influx of that many patients at once. So all the efforts are designed to delay the transmission, we won't stop it. A side effect that isn't being well understood is that if all the critical care beds are taken then there is no capacity to deal with normal patients who run into trouble and may need time in ICU. So we end up with more people dying unnecessarily. Here is a good article explaining the transmission issues health services face.

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

This will all take time. Its been in China for three months now. We are just at the start. The economic issues come to us by our global integration. The three main regional engines of growth and prosperity are all going to be adversely affected, Asia, USA and Europe.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: doc evil on March 13, 2020, 02:21:10 PM
The company I work for is having a "trial" work from home day on Monday in preparedness......................as I'm living in Brisbane and working in Perth, I don't have internet in the apartment and as a contractor, I won't get paid. I'm overtiming it this weekend.

Be an interesting scenario if it comes to fruition as the majority of people here are contractors and 2-3 weeks without income is going to hurt and hurt many!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 13, 2020, 02:40:58 PM
The company I work for is having a "trial" work from home day on Monday in preparedness......................as I'm living in Brisbane and working in Perth, I don't have internet in the apartment and as a contractor, I won't get paid. I'm overtiming it this weekend.

Be an interesting scenario if it comes to fruition as the majority of people here are contractors and 2-3 weeks without income is going to hurt and hurt many!
Its interesting - we were discussing about people being told to not come in, or those without holidays... how do you pay your mortgage and loans if you have no income.. This could go on for days or months....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on March 13, 2020, 02:52:10 PM
Its interesting - we were discussing about people being told to not come in, or those without holidays... how do you pay your mortgage and loans if you have no income.. This could go on for days or months....

No one knows. In Italy apparently they are suspending payments.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/public-global-health/486760-italy-suspends-mortgage-payments-during-coronavirus

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on March 13, 2020, 02:52:28 PM
From a corporate perspective this is a daily evolving situation. Management with HR/HSEE teams will be working through all sorts of what if scenarios and releasing them as/when required. We were asked to test remote connectivity last week at scale and today we've been told to work from home until at least the end of March. We are also able to be paid up to 2 weeks on top of our sick/AL entitlements if we are confirmed and/or need to self isolate, this was introduced a few days ago. That said my wife's work is running BAU, so YMMV.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 13, 2020, 04:17:42 PM
Quote from: D4D
From a corporate perspective this is a daily evolving situation. Management with HR/HSEE teams will be working through all sorts of what if scenarios and releasing them as/when required.
yep, been working flat out today getting laptops sorted for Payroll and Finance important people... etc...
nobody knows whats going on here there and anywhere... but most of our work cant be done from home... Mine can :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rossm on March 13, 2020, 05:23:10 PM
I guess at times like this many workers, those on contract etc, will find out what sort of people they are working for.

Not all bosses are bastards, but a lot are.

As a retiree I say all the best to those caught up in this. I have my own issues, like the plummeting vaiue of my super fund. But I am debt free so that is what is. I  might run out of money when I’m 83 instead of 86.

Still planning a trip to Tassie next month. Stay healthy Taswegians. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 13, 2020, 05:42:52 PM
From a corporate perspective this is a daily evolving situation. Management with HR/HSEE teams will be working through all sorts of what if scenarios and releasing them as/when required. We were asked to test remote connectivity last week at scale and today we've been told to work from home until at least the end of March. We are also able to be paid up to 2 weeks on top of our sick/AL entitlements if we are confirmed and/or need to self isolate, this was introduced a few days ago. That said my wife's work is running BAU, so YMMV.
We are doing a mass work from home trial today to "stress test" the remote access systems. I occasionally work from home anyway and so far all is good.  We have also been given the option of working from home next week. I'm also a contractor, so have no certainty of work but I'm not living week to week either.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: briann532 on March 13, 2020, 05:57:20 PM
So how do us tradesman, work from home???

 ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 13, 2020, 06:14:21 PM
I see now that Dutton has just tested positive after a trip to the USA.  Sooner we shut all non essential overseas travel the better...especially to regions where the virus is..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 13, 2020, 06:34:22 PM
I see now that Dutton has just tested positive after a trip to the USA.  Sooner we shut all non essential overseas travel the better...especially to regions where the virus is..
Yep, but is ScoMo going to self -quarantine himself since he was with Dutton in a Cabinet meeting on Tuesday? No, claims to have advice that he doesn't need to. Another completely tone-deaf response from Scotty from Marketing. And just to be sure, he will also go to the footy tomorrow night and probably Church on Sunday.

It's times like this, I wish Trump was our president. At least he is open and decisive.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 13, 2020, 06:46:25 PM
Yep, but is ScoMo going to self -quarantine himself since he was with Dutton in a Cabinet meeting on Tuesday? No, claims to have advice that he doesn't need to. Another completely tone-deaf response from Scotty from Marketing. And just to be sure, he will also go to the footy tomorrow night and probably Church on Sunday.

It's times like this, I wish Trump was our president. At least he is open and decisive.
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Scummo is looking like a complete idiot at the moment...He,s off to the footy but has seen theF1 race abandoned due to the virus. Govt is advising not to attend crowds of 500 or more and yet this idiot is going to the footy.  He never has been a leader and never will be. I would have thought that anyone coming into contact with Dutton would automatically be put in quarantine...especially govt pollies..No wonder people are getting frustrated...why cant we get honest, informative info from the medical fraternity and tell the pollies to f off with their bullShit grandstanding and hypocrisy
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: McGirr on March 13, 2020, 06:47:09 PM
We have been advised that only necessary travel out of communities is recommended at the moment, we are heading into Alice Springs for a weekend of R and R.

The concern is that if the virus hits any remote community then there could be major issues with a large loss of life due to the poor health of the indigenous in communities. We are unsure as yet whether the clinic here can test for the virus. We will need to find this out.  As we manager the community store, if it does hit then we would get it for sure. The company we work for working with the NT Govt  to follow any recommendations that are forthcoming. 

Any non essential work or travel to communities has been put on hold for a while.

Time will tell I suppose.

Mark
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 13, 2020, 11:23:08 PM
Close the borders, Bring in marshal law,  set up mobile hospitals if needed,  limit all movement to esential local travel only  and everyone bunkers down for a minimum of  xxx  weeks at home ..
That way you control and isolate out breaks and can target them easier till the cycle is broken ..  Dont laugh it could be coming sooner rather than later .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 14, 2020, 09:18:26 AM
Dont laugh it could should be coming sooner rather than later .

FTFY, Edz!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 14, 2020, 09:46:21 AM
Why not send all the infected cases to Christmas Island?  Dutton would appreciate it as he said its an excellent place?  It would free up hospital beds and guarantee isolation....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 14, 2020, 09:58:02 AM
Close the borders, Bring in marshal law,  set up mobile hospitals if needed,  limit all movement to esential local travel only  and everyone bunkers down for a minimum of  xxx  weeks at home ..
That way you control and isolate out breaks and can target them easier till the cycle is broken ..  Dont laugh it could be coming sooner rather than later .

It will be months not weeks, this thing isn't going away quickly. The thing about the preventative measures as being bought in at the moment, is as others have mentioned is to slow down the incidence rate to allow the health system to cope, this hopefully spreads the critical cases over an extended period to allow those that need it to get access to medical attention to get it, the flip side of that is this is going to be a thing for many months, not weeks. Hubei is coming up to two months of far more serious lockdowns than we are looking at at the moment with no end in sight, the lockdowns there (similar to what you have said) are only about slowing down the spread, there is no real possibility of stopping the virus now, it's about management. Eventually, there will either be a vaccine that helps to wipe it out (at least a year before it will be available), or it will be that due to 60%+ people having had it, herd immunity should kick in.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 14, 2020, 10:06:36 AM
Why not send all the infected cases to Christmas Island?  Dutton would appreciate it as he said its an excellent place?  It would free up hospital beds and guarantee isolation....

They already did that with some that returned from the infected cruises. The isolation is good for those that may have been exposed, once the case is confirmed through, Hospitals are best equipped to deal with them with the number we have at the moment. As the numbers continue to rise though, it will only be the bad cases that get hospitalised. As I mentioned in my previous comment, there is no real possibility of containment stopping it now, its just about management.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 14, 2020, 11:20:15 AM
Then there is the employment factor ... Flight center closing 100 stores is only the tip of the iceberg here...

Travel industry and food will be massively hit.. Lots of business wont recover from this at all.

We went to our fav chinese restaurant Thursday night, we were first customers all week they had..


Not just AU either

The Pierer Mobility Group, including KTM, Husqvarna and GasGas, Europe’s largest motorcycle manufacturer, will be interrupting operation and production late this month through until April 10. Due to the impact of the coronavirus on northern Italy, and the possibility of supply chain interruptions due to effected outside suppliers, staff will be sent on a two week company vacation from March 30 to April 10
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 14, 2020, 12:54:47 PM
A mate just sent me this, interesting as it was written more  than ten years ago apparently ..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on March 14, 2020, 01:14:18 PM
Wow! That is scary. When was that book published edz?
Oops, just noticed you mentioned ten years ago.
Not a relation of Nostradamos were they?

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 14, 2020, 01:23:37 PM
Just looked it up ...Apparently way back in 2008 .. Scary huh to be so close ..
 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 14, 2020, 01:30:05 PM
Read the one above it and can't remember anything like it happening, that is on page 312 so not a little book by the look of things, make enough predictions and one of them will come close eventually.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 14, 2020, 04:19:27 PM
A mate just sent me this, interesting as it was written more  than ten years ago apparently ..
Probably not the best title of a thread to post any of  her predictions. ;)

I can’t exactly recall the flesh eating bug that she predicted happening in 2010 on the same page as this magical disappearing virus.

And she caused families a lot of pain with her false predictions on missing persons cases.

She said Amanda Berry was dead, but the woman who was held hostage by Ariel Castro in Ohio is very much alive.

In the case of 11-year-old Shawn Hornbeck, Browne told his parents he was dead and had been kidnapped by a dark-skinned man with dreadlocks. Five years later, Hornbeck was found alive and had been abducted by a Caucasian man with short hair.

Browne told a grieving grandmother of a 6-year-old girl who was abducted from her yard in Texas that she had been sold into slavery and taken to Japan. Four years later authorities found the girls’ remains in Texas.

Some of her other goodies include;

“Volcanic eruption in Japan causes poisonous cloud mass in April (1998).”

“David Letterman decides to call it quits from his nightly late show after this year (2000).”

“American troops will be pulled out of Iraq by June or July (2004).”

“Julia Roberts’ marriage will end (2004).”

Browne also famously claimed she would die at the age of 88, but she was 77 when she passed away.
Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 14, 2020, 04:28:02 PM
But back here in the real world, our company has now officially stopped all travel.

Me and my 3 colleagues that just returned from NZ last night are not allowed to have face to face contact with any other employees for 2 weeks.
My interstate travel for next week has all been canceled.

All of our up coming projects on NSW Health sites have been postponed until January next year and about $8M worth of new equipment will now be placed in storage.

Our Australian industry conference that was due to be held in Melbourne next month has been canceled.
And our Global industry conference that was due to be held in Frankfurt Germany in June has been postponed until November.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on March 14, 2020, 05:08:22 PM
I see that NZ has officially closed their borders as of midnight this Sunday. Any citizens returning after that have to go into isolation for fourteen days. This will affect all sports teams that are offshore at present. All cruise ships are banned and will be reviewed on June 30th. This effectively stops their tourist industry which will have serious financial repercussions.
We need to follow suit here before it becomes too late, if it is'nt already.




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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 14, 2020, 05:11:00 PM
Then there is the employment factor ... and food will be massively hit

Talking to a mate yesterday who does consultancy work for a big abattoir in SEQ.

They're shutting up shop next week (or at least stopping production) as they've run out of freezer space to hold prepared meat, as there is no shipping available to take containers o'seas, which is their market!

It's the same here on the GC, where the We're All Doomed screams start as soon as anything happens to reduce tourist numbers, especially from o/s.

Don't concentrate so much on one single source of income that if anything happens, you're stuffed! ::)

Sell meat to Oz as well as o/s, try to have something else other than tourism to run the city, Uni's - don't concentrate on high fee paying foreign students at the expense of Aussie kids, & so on ::)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 14, 2020, 06:06:47 PM
Mrs Spada and her team (payroll department for a largish company) will be working remotely next week as a practice run in case their work site is forced to shut down, which is a possibility apparently  due to staff regularly travelling between Aus & China.

I've you've bought anything on Ebay from china, could be waiting a while for delivery. There are significant backlogs due to both China factories shutting down, and limited capacity to freight product from China. AusPost is seeing a dramatic drop in volumes of packages arriving from China.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 14, 2020, 08:15:04 PM
And on a positive note, Australian caught seafood is actually going to be affordable in Australia soon.

The last air cargo shipment of fresh seafood was accepted into China on January 26.

Local lobster prices have dropped by 20% and on track to get down to around $100/kg soon enough.
Prawns and crab prices are on the way down too.

But personally I’m waiting for the canceled live exports of coral trout to finally bring the prices of my favorite fish back to realistic levels. ;)
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Post by: PWE on March 14, 2020, 09:49:54 PM
Wonder if their will be a civil case brought against China.
They cause this with their ‘wild meat markets’, but it is China, so let’s stay political correct and not blame anyone.

I notice that Denmark close its borders, if you are not Danish you are not coming in.
France and Switzerland close the border with Italy, Austria to follow. Wonder what happened with freedom of movement and Europe is one. The silver lining is that what Italy did was brave and will save more people than what we realise. Europe will now find a cure since the virus have the potential to devastate Europe. Chinese, who cause this, will sweep it under the carpet, the ‘meat markets’ will be up and running within 3 months after the cure is found.

Anyone that can work from home should work from home. We procured more power cords and encourage people, contractors and FTE’s to work from home, no financial penalties will apply.

Interesting point about the tradies, what should they do? Not sure but I am hoping that part of the Government response will be to look after the tradies, because we all know what construction (housing, commercial, industrial, mining, infrastructure, ect) add to the GDP.

I also live in Brisbane and work out West, like one of the previous post.
We just finish the last work of the recovery of TC Damien on the network, so will see what the impact of the workforce will be. Interesting point will be the 500 limit, wonder what the construction camps will do? But then, with the gastro that sweeps through the Camps, no virus can survive that! 😎

Lastly, I will be watching the news and waiting for the Greens to blame climate change for the virus.
(Because we need to stay political correct and not blame China)

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on March 15, 2020, 10:25:21 AM
Hooking up the trailer and going away for a week, be glad not hear anything about CV, heartily sick of the crap.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 15, 2020, 10:31:40 AM
Hooking up the trailer and going away for a week, be glad not hear anything about CV, heartily sick of the crap.

LOL...IT WILL BE TWICE AS BAD WHEN YOU GET BACK!!! :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 15, 2020, 10:48:55 AM
LOL...IT WILL BE TWICE AS BAD WHEN YOU GET BACK!!! :cheers:

If he's allowed back... and if he's allowed to go where he wants to go...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 15, 2020, 11:30:17 AM
if he's allowed to go where he wants to go...



Funny you should say this, Only last night, heard people from  a couple of  country places, talking  that they might have to  look at stopping  out siders as they called them,  from coming into their small townships  for a while ..
So there is some out there thinking along these lines .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 15, 2020, 11:55:20 AM

Funny you should say this, Only last night, heard people from  a couple of  country places, talking  that they might have to  look at stopping  out siders as they called them,  from coming into their small townships  for a while ..
So there is some out there thinking along these lines .

Can believe it; we've only got a 100 bed hospital here, but for anything more serious than a broken limb or (uncomlicated) childbirth, it's a trip to Tamworth at the nearest - more likely Newcastle or the Gold Coast.

Realistically, Australia has the distance between places that if travel is restricted between places the risk of spread is vastly reduced outside of the major metropolitan areas - but this will only work if people from those major areas stay put and not run for the hills.

If COVID19 hits the regional areas, be prepared for a big contraction in food supply - for example, an outbreak up here would be very likely to affect the supply of fresh tomatoes on the Eastern seaboard because of the Costa farm up the road due to a lack of staff and the very high risk of transmission on the picked fruit to the metropolitan areas.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: PWE on March 15, 2020, 11:57:57 AM

Call me what you want but the modern day viruses all started in China, and China kept it quiet till it spread to the world. And it was the world that found a cure, not China.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 15, 2020, 12:35:54 PM
Wow...

Italy may abandon over-80s to their fate as crisis grows

Bologna: Coronavirus victims in Italy could be left to die if they are aged 80 or more, or in poor health, under draft plans drawn up for the next phase of the crisis.

The victims will be denied access to intensive care should pressure on beds increase, according to a new regional protocol, seen by The Telegraph, London, from the government's crisis management unit in Turin.


https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/italy-may-abandon-over-80s-to-their-fate-as-crisis-grows-20200315-p54a75.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/italy-may-abandon-over-80s-to-their-fate-as-crisis-grows-20200315-p54a75.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 15, 2020, 12:41:59 PM
Call me what you want but the modern day viruses all started in China, and China kept it quiet till it spread to the world. And it was the world that found a cure, not China.

Can you list the modern day virus,s that originated from China?  I,d be interested to know as my teachings are different to your statement..I was lead to believe they originated in Africa, Europe and Asia...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 15, 2020, 01:04:00 PM
Saw this one my facebook feed.  It makes sense when you look at the numbers, simple maths really. 



Must read: Shared from a doctor friend working in Infectious Diseases in Western Australia. In her words...

As most of you know, I don’t post on Facebook often, but I need you to read this article. I have been a doctor on the infectious diseases team this week, and many people have asked me the same questions about corona virus, and this is what I’ve been telling them: we need to be prepared and wary, but not alarmed. The media has been very sensationalist and has a lot to answer for, including my inability to find toilet paper.

The covid-19 virus is coming to Australia, and in most places it is already here. For 80% of people who get it, you will develop mild cold symptoms. What’s the big deal then? Why are we talking about closing schools and cancelling events and sports?

Cancelling large gatherings will slow the spread of the virus, so hospitals are not overwhelmed. I’m a doctor and I don’t want to have to tell you that we can’t treat your mum because we’ve run out of oxygen. I don’t want to call you to tell you that your dad died in a corridor, because we didn’t have enough beds. This is what Northern Italy is experiencing right now, and they have one of the best healthcare systems in the world. This is what areas of the US are currently experiencing. They are having to choose which patients live and which ones die. China had to build 16 new hospitals in a few weeks for a city with the same population as Australia, and they still ran out of resources. They had to fly in builders, cleaners, kitchen staff, nurses and doctors from all around China to have enough staff. We don’t have this ability; it took 4 years to build the Perth Children’s Hospital. If we can slow it down, so there are enough resources and staff to treat everyone that gets sick, less people will die. A lot less. So yes, most people will develop mild symptoms, but upto 20% may need hospitalisation. That’s 1 in 5 people, and if this amount of people need hospital admission suddenly, like in Italy, China and America, our world class Australian healthcare system is going to struggle, and people will not be able to get the care they need, and they will die.

In regards to closing schools, children in particular seem to not develop many or any symptoms. They can then pass it on to other children and teachers, who will then take it home to their families, and potentially give it to grandparents. Older people and people with other medical conditions such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease, lung disease and high blood pressure are particularly at risk of dying from covid-19. People over the age of 80 may have a mortality rate of upto 14%. You don’t want your grandma to get it, if we can avoid it. You don’t want to accidently infect you’re child’s best friend’s mum, who is battling breast cancer, if we can avoid it. Your friend from book club or the men’s shed takes medications to suppress their immune system to treat an autoimmune disease, so you don’t want them to get it if we can avoid it.

If you are asked to self isolate, please stay at home the whole time. Don’t just “duck to the shops” because “I’ll only be there for 5 minutes, it won’t hurt anyone”. It does and it will. When the lockdown in Italy started, people in Italy were still going to the gym, to cafes and other places in public. Look where they are now: the whole country is in lockdown and funerals are banned. They can’t even grieve their dead. Isolating yourself when asked to is a sign of altruism. Going out when you’ve been asked not to is essentially saying that your short term pleasure/job etc. is more important than someone else’s life. You might not feel sick enough to want to stay home, but if you don’t someone else could die. Or multiple people. On average one person with corona virus infects 2-3 others, but one person in Korea infected hundreds accidently before they were found and isolated.

I want you and your family to get the best care possible, in one of the best health care systems in the world. But we can’t do this without everyone getting involved. Please read this article. Start preparing. Start physically distancing yourself from other people by more than 1 metre. Please stop handshaking, hugging or kissing people on the cheek. Please frequently wash your hands with alcohol hand rub or soap and water for 20 seconds. Notice and reduce the amount you touch your face.

Please read this article. Singapore and Hong Kong have contained the virus by using the measures mentioned in the article. We can too, but we need everyone to pull together. Please stay home if you unwell, even if you only have a mild cold, please only take what you need from the supermarket, and please just be kind. If we do this together, the impacts of the corona virus will be much less, and a lot more people will live.
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Post by: Wazza999 on March 15, 2020, 01:21:49 PM
It's definitely a case of if you are going to get the virus, hope you get it very soon while we still have a hospital system that is coping. Not looking forward to potentially having to engage with the ACT Hospital Emergency, as the only major hospital serving both the ACT and the NSW south coast they are under-resourced for a normal flu season. The other interesting complication is the unknown effect on lungs and susceptibility to the virus from the prolonged exposure to bushfire smoke of everyone in the region. I know I was surprised by the effect the smoke had on me and a number of people I have spoken to, none of whom have any previous history of respiratory disorders.

2011 NT Pajero; 2007 Goldstream Crown 4B

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Post by: Robbo on March 15, 2020, 01:45:38 PM
Thank you alnjan. Excellent post both factual and sensible. Hopefully it will give some a better understanding of the situation we are faced with and put some minds at rest.

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Post by: tryagain on March 15, 2020, 03:59:32 PM
Thank you alnjan. Excellent post both factual and sensible. Hopefully it will give some a better understanding of the situation we are faced with and put some minds at rest.


The only caveat I would add is, I saw an expert from the US saying that closing schools, especially given it's minimal effect on children could be counter productive. This is because people have to stay home and care for them, this includes health workers. The stats he cited were from the US but it was a sizeable percentage of the health workforce could be needed at home.

It's the kind of big picture that a Dr might not necessarily think about but something that governments have to consider.
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Post by: alnjan on March 15, 2020, 04:21:56 PM

The only caveat I would add is, I saw an expert from the US saying that closing schools, especially given it's minimal effect on children could be counter productive. This is because people have to stay home and care for them, this includes health workers. The stats he cited were from the US but it was a sizeable percentage of the health workforce could be needed at home.

It's the kind of big picture that a Dr might not necessarily think about but something that governments have to consider.

I think it is that reason the PM has said today the Schools at present will stay open for now.  Unless I read it wrong.
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Post by: tryagain on March 15, 2020, 05:52:16 PM
I think it is that reason the PM has said today the Schools at present will stay open for now.  Unless I read it wrong.

I would say it would at least be part of it, they probably also want to keep the economy ticking over, shutting schools would be pretty detrimental to it so they probably take that into consideration as well.

The cynical part of me thinks that even with a total lockdown, they are saying it can't be contained, so they probably don't want it to drag on for a year or two until a viable vaccine is available, rather have enough people get it to then have some herd immunity, but at a rate where they can keep a decent level of medical care. If they could keep the casualty rate to 0.25-0.5% due to availability of quality care (with most of those otherwise having limited time left anyway) it would probably be seen as a win. That's still a death toll of 35-70 thousand
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Post by: McGirr on March 15, 2020, 06:20:58 PM
So much social media hype that's causing the panic. Saying 80% of people will get the virus does not help the situation, hence the mass panic buying of things.

Curious if it was changed to 80% of people will get the flu or catch a cold this year,  would there be the same panic.

Mark
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Post by: CTL on March 15, 2020, 06:51:41 PM
What I read was that 80% of the population will only have mild symptoms and may not even know they have COVID-19.
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Post by: tryagain on March 15, 2020, 07:20:39 PM
What I read was that 80% of the population will only have mild symptoms and may not even know they have COVID-19.

Yep, this is the 80% figure I have read, for those it will likely just be like a common cold, I have read once it gets to 60%, herd immunity should kick in. Pretty sure I read that the QLD gov is expecting about 25% of people to get it, not sure what is going to stop in at that point though.
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Post by: Paddler Ed on March 15, 2020, 07:30:44 PM
Yep, this is the 80% figure I have read, for those it will likely just be like a common cold, I have read once it gets to 60%, herd immunity should kick in. Pretty sure I read that the QLD gov is expecting about 25% of people to get it, not sure what is going to stop in at that point though.

I suspect the population dispersal of QLD is favourable to that; it's much more evenly spread between the Brisbane/GC/SC metropolis and the regional cities, whereas NSW is skewed to the Newcastle, Sydney & Wollongong metropolitan area.
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Post by: rossm on March 15, 2020, 08:27:55 PM
As a single retiree I live in social isolation a lot of the time.  ;D But that's OK, that's  my choice largely..

What I can't cope with is the stupidity in the shops. My local shopping centre carpark today resembled a busy Saturday in December.

I would have thought  Australians as a rule were a bit smarter than that.   

I wonder what a bit of social isolation and travel restrictions would do for the road toll. Far more people die on the roads than this is likely to kill I'd  suggest.
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Post by: glenm64 on March 15, 2020, 09:11:29 PM



What I can't cope with is the stupidity in the shops. My local shopping centre carpark today resembled a busy Saturday in December.


You havent seen anything yet. Just watch the panic set in.
Mother nature is just doing what she always does - adapt, change and survive.

Cheers Glen

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Post by: plusnq on March 15, 2020, 09:24:45 PM
It’s already here.

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Post by: shakey55 on March 16, 2020, 05:35:37 AM
FTFY, Edz!
I’m with you edz

Look at the countries getting on top of it. They have put in such tough laws.

People will not like it, but it works and we should do it immediately


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Post by: Bird on March 16, 2020, 08:31:06 AM
Nice to see Coles and Woolworths having a special time for the elderly to shop without being shoved out of the way and beaten by panic buying ****wits...

Shame its 7-8am before most would have got up.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 16, 2020, 08:47:27 AM
Just saw the same thing mentioned about IGA, but their special time is 6 - 7AM!!! :o

& if staff are usually there at 6 for a 7.00 opening, that will mean they will now need to be on deck at 5 - & does anybody think they'll be paid o/t ??? :'(
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Post by: Bird on March 16, 2020, 10:16:00 AM
We may have our first case..
Young chick in Sydney office VERY sick with flu type stuff.. been admitted to hospital, but no "word" yet on yes or no


Has anyone had any genuine cases at work yet?
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Post by: wilson79 on March 16, 2020, 10:30:04 AM
I cant get over the panic and chaos that is starting to be felt. Imagine if this virus was much more serious and was taking out more of the population other than the elderly and sick. The economic hurt that this is starting to cause will be felt for some time. this virus will hopefully past as quickly as it started. I understand the boarder closings but the talk of closing of businesses and schools just perplexes me. Sure if there is a positive case at a school there may be a closure to ensure the school is cleaned etc. I get that.

Maybe I am stupid , but I feel common-sense tells us that in this virus case, we need to look after the elderly and people whom are already sick. lets focus on these people and protect them and ensure they are safe. That way let the rest of the population continue on keeping our economy going and everyone employed. There are many small businesses that will never recover from this. I know of a small coffee shop that services a large cooperate building that have said if they close the building they well have to close the shop and will never reopen.

My parents are in late 60s and early 70s, we have had the conversation that maybe we should stop face to face contact in the short term to ensure their safety. If everyone uses a common-sense approach we will all be fine.
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Post by: plusnq on March 16, 2020, 10:33:16 AM
I cant get over the panic and chaos that is starting to be felt. Imagine if this virus was much more serious and was taking out more of the population other than the elderly and sick. The economic hurt that this is starting to cause will be felt for some time. this virus will hopefully past as quickly as it started. I understand the boarder closings but the talk of closing of businesses and schools just perplexes me. Sure if there is a positive case at a school there may be a closure to ensure the school is cleaned etc. I get that.

Maybe I am stupid , but I feel common-sense tells us that in this virus case, we need to look after the elderly and people whom are already sick. lets focus on these people and protect them and ensure they are safe. That way let the rest of the population continue on keeping our economy going and everyone employed. There are many small businesses that will never recover from this. I know of a small coffee shop that services a large cooperate building that have said if they close the building they well have to close the shop and will never reopen.

My parents are in late 60s and early 70s, we have had the conversation that maybe we should stop face to face contact in the short term to ensure their safety. If everyone uses a common-sense approach we will all be fine.


We will know in a few months if that idea works as it is very similar to the measures the UK have announced. The rest of the world is trying the isolation plan. Time will tell which was the better version.
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Post by: wakychapmans on March 16, 2020, 10:40:39 AM
I have a good friend that is (working) in the ER at Nepean hospital.

she has been told that the peak infection levels are expected in AUGUST...

just let that settle in... all the closures etc... until *at least* August...

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Post by: edz on March 16, 2020, 10:49:12 AM
We may have our first case..
Young chick in Sydney office VERY sick with flu type stuff.. been admitted to hospital, but no "word" yet on yes or no


Has anyone had any genuine cases at work yet?


We have a number of staff that have gone off sick in the past couple of days, others that have returned from OS travel that got Dr's clearances to return to work that have now gone off sick, a couple that also attended the Southern cross Uni up here that has a reported case, as yet nothing confirmed  ..
But dealing with many hundreds of visitors daily from all over the country / world, its only a matter of time till we  take a hit .
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Post by: Bird on March 16, 2020, 11:16:40 AM
Quote from: wilson79
we need to look after the elderly and people whom are already sick.

You''ve seen Italy's plan for <80's.... Still cant believe that.


edit: interesting thoughts from Bill Gates - from 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Af6b_wyiwI)
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Post by: alnjan on March 16, 2020, 12:08:03 PM
Just wondering, after all the dick heads went spastic over toilet paper, when supply is going to return to 'normal' so the rest of us can buy our usual pack of toilet paper for the fortnight/month. 
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Post by: wakychapmans on March 16, 2020, 12:13:29 PM
Just wondering, after all the dick heads went spastic over toilet paper, when supply is going to return to 'normal' so the rest of us can buy our usual pack of toilet paper for the fortnight/month.

*** THIS ***

we're down to three rolls at home now and I'd like to do our usual purchase of a 10 pack... not a hope.

(I think there might be a 6 pack from our last remote trip, stashed in the back of the drawers in the cruiser though)

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Post by: alnjan on March 16, 2020, 12:44:48 PM
*** THIS ***

we're down to three rolls at home now and I'd like to do our usual purchase of a 10 pack... not a hope.

(I think there might be a 6 pack from our last remote trip, stashed in the back of the drawers in the cruiser though)

That's about it
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Post by: KeithB on March 16, 2020, 01:35:44 PM
I thought I'd make some sanitiser for a do we're having in two weeks time (if it goes ahead). You just need isopropyl alcohol and a bit of moisturiser.  Turns out that isopropyl alcohol cannot be had anywhere in Sydney and the chemists are sold out of rubbing alcohol, which is the same stuff.
Janitorial suppliers are all out and Sydney Solvents are all out in every size including 200 litre drums.
Looks like it's back to soap and water.
Keith
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Post by: edz on March 16, 2020, 01:48:01 PM
Maybe use / try Metho or Shellite instead of Isopropil Alcohol   Have to look up the properties of both to see if they are ok though ... Failing that its use Over Proof Vodka or Gin as the Alcohol mix  ;D ;D

WARNING : DO NOT USE NEAR NAKED FLAMES :
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Post by: tryagain on March 16, 2020, 02:10:22 PM
I thought I'd make some sanitiser

Had a similar thought early this week, the wife usually has some sanitiser for the kids (easier than trying to get them to wash their hands properly) but was out, so I started looking for suppliers, got through several pages of Google searches with no luck until I found a localish paint place with 5L containers still in stock. Went straight there to grab one, as I arrived there was a guy walking out with one, managed to grab one but they are all out now too.
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Post by: edz on March 16, 2020, 02:23:05 PM
Just wondering, after all the dick heads went spastic over toilet paper, when supply is going to return to 'normal' so the rest of us can buy our usual pack of toilet paper for the fortnight/month.


Might have to be prepaired to get ready to do a bit of this ..  https://www.survivopedia.com/diy-toilet-paper/ (https://www.survivopedia.com/diy-toilet-paper/)   :D
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Post by: KeithB on March 16, 2020, 03:22:10 PM
Here's a good rundown on the situation which is guaranteed to make you smile. Provided of course that you are not offended by rude words.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=626685584556823 (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=626685584556823)
Keith
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Post by: Bird on March 16, 2020, 04:05:34 PM
RSL NSW cancels all Anzac Day services to curb spread of coronavirus   :'(

https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6681277/anzac-day-services-cancelled/?cs=12 (https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6681277/anzac-day-services-cancelled/?cs=12)
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Post by: Fizzie on March 16, 2020, 04:22:34 PM

she has been told that the peak infection levels are expected in AUGUST...

just let that settle in... all the closures etc... until *at least* August...

We were having that conversation this morning.

Yes, the extras we've got are good for a few weeks, but 6 months ???

All bets are off over that long, & to be honest, I wouldn't be incredibly surprised to see some form of both martial law  :police: & rationing introduced :o
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Post by: edz on March 16, 2020, 04:23:04 PM
Pick a good camp spot and DIY  your own dawn service....   take a copy of the Ode and  this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk7bptmcevI&list=RDpk7bptmcevI&start_radio=1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk7bptmcevI&list=RDpk7bptmcevI&start_radio=1) . :cheers:
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Post by: Fizzie on March 16, 2020, 04:23:21 PM
so the rest of us can buy our usual pack of toilet paper for the fortnight/month.

Try to get there first thing in the morning ???
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Post by: Fizzie on March 16, 2020, 04:24:26 PM
Looks like it's back to soap and water.

Have been reading quite a few comments that soap is just as, or possibly even more, effective than sanitiser!
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Post by: Fizzie on March 16, 2020, 04:26:29 PM
Pick a good camp spot and DIY  your own dawn service....   take a copy of the Ode and  this

But :police:, I had to have a rifle with me so I could fire a salute! :angel:
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Post by: edz on March 17, 2020, 06:56:51 AM
 We are being lied to about supply of goods / shortages etc ... Local Woolies manager, yes we are getting a normal restock delivery in late this afternoon and the shelves will be fully stocked by early AM in the morning ...
Great !! Wife has pension card and goes of to the store to take advantage of the early opening  pensioner hour to get some  needed items ...Bingo shelves just as empty as the days before ..
Some one is telling porky's ...
Manager say's they got their stock and restocked, Granted the wife wasnt first through the door but she wasnt far of it .. and still no stock .
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Post by: tryagain on March 17, 2020, 09:16:58 AM
We are being lied to about supply of goods / shortages etc ... Local

Normal restock only works when normal amounts of stock has been sold.
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Post by: rossm on March 17, 2020, 10:30:23 AM
Normal restock only works when normal amounts of stock has been sold.
The woollies chief said yesterday sales were bigger than Christmas.
Stores start  planning christmas deliveries months in advance.
You can’t quickly rearrange the orders, particularly when people cause  a run on things like toilet paper.
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Post by: Bird on March 17, 2020, 11:01:02 AM
Interesting read

https://www.stockandland.com.au/story/6680324/an-insiders-view-of-coronavirus-in-china/?cs=4786 (https://www.stockandland.com.au/story/6680324/an-insiders-view-of-coronavirus-in-china/?cs=4786)
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Post by: Fizzie on March 17, 2020, 11:28:06 AM
Normal restock only works when normal amounts of stock has been sold.

Coles is putting on 5000 staff to help with restocking - not too sure just how much they're going to have to do ???
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Post by: Bird on March 17, 2020, 12:02:58 PM
From the Dutch PM

Mark Rutte said a mass lockdown was not feasible and the country had opted for a plan that included "controlled distribution" of COVID-19

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/dutch-embrace-herd-immunity-as-dire-death-warning-prompts-uk-to-change-course-20200317-p54arv.html (https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/dutch-embrace-herd-immunity-as-dire-death-warning-prompts-uk-to-change-course-20200317-p54arv.html)
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Post by: plusnq on March 17, 2020, 12:10:04 PM
Yes. A bit like the UK idea. I'm not sure it's feasible given the long latency period before people show symptoms. We will see. It's all a  big experiment on all of us at the moment.
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Post by: rockrat on March 17, 2020, 12:13:18 PM
Coles is putting on 5000 staff to help with restocking - not too sure just how much they're going to have to do ???
Maybe Coles, Woolies and Aldi should just shut their doors for a few days to give them some time to restock and reassess their approach. Clearly they are trying but people have just gone crazy - I’m starting to see clearly why our politicians are so useless, they are voted in by the same people!

As for me, I might take my family out for dinner tonight and help support a small hospitality business somewhere.


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Post by: tryagain on March 17, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
From the Dutch PM

Mark Rutte said a mass lockdown was not feasible and the country had opted for a plan that included "controlled distribution" of COVID-19

https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/dutch-embrace-herd-immunity-as-dire-death-warning-prompts-uk-to-change-course-20200317-p54arv.html (https://www.theage.com.au/world/europe/dutch-embrace-herd-immunity-as-dire-death-warning-prompts-uk-to-change-course-20200317-p54arv.html)

People seem shocked at this, but this is what flattening the curve has been all about, vaccines are 18months+ away, if we lockdown for that long, we will probably still see a similar % spread, just slower and over a longer period with the added likelihood of a significant financial depression to go along with it. 60odd% of us are likely to get it either way, just because the outcome isn't a nice one, dosen't mean it's not the least worse one.
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Post by: Bird on March 17, 2020, 01:10:11 PM
Quote from: Fizzie
Coles is putting on 5000 staff to help with restocking - not too sure just how much they're going to have to do ???

that would be tripling the size of their workforce LMAO cant see that happening
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Post by: rockrat on March 17, 2020, 02:20:33 PM
that would be tripling the size of their workforce LMAO cant see that happening
Less than 5% increase. Coles employs over 100,000 people.


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Post by: tryagain on March 17, 2020, 02:40:59 PM
If the official results out of China are to be believed, it makes for somewhat promising news. They reported only 14 new cases which is pretty amazing, they have had some very severe lockdowns but it appears to be working fairly well.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 17, 2020, 02:51:07 PM
If the official results out of China are to be believed, it makes for somewhat promising news. They reported only 14 new cases which is pretty amazing, they have had some very severe lockdowns but it appears to be working fairly well.

I hope this is true...Pity their manipulation of the truth is worrying..
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Post by: Mace on March 17, 2020, 02:57:33 PM
If the official results out of China are to be believed, it makes for somewhat promising news. They reported only 14 new cases which is pretty amazing, they have had some very severe lockdowns but it appears to be working fairly well.

It seems from the data (if true)  that they have been succesfull.

On the other hand..... 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/coronavirus-uk-strategy-deaths

We have gone to a 50/50 work at work/work from home arrangement with a two week roll over with your "alternalte" staff member.

My first fortnight is in the office..... 

As our campuses are pretty empty, use of external contractors for maintenance and project work will continue as long as we can.  Socially isolating is relatively easy.

 :cheers:


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 17, 2020, 04:44:44 PM
The whole business landscape will be different after all this finishes.
1000's of business will close not to reopen.

Travel industry will be ****ed, airlines, travel agents, hotels, bus tour companies, etc..

The flow on effect will be huge...  Im more concerned about the many small businesses that wont survive - 1000's of them... like lunch shops, clothing stores/chains, you name it... suppliers to those shops will also disappear.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on March 17, 2020, 04:52:17 PM
The whole business landscape will be different after all this finishes.
1000's of business will close not to reopen.

Travel industry will be ****ed, airlines, travel agents, hotels, bus tour companies, etc..

The flow on effect will be huge...  Im more concerned about the many small businesses that wont survive - 1000's of them... like lunch shops, clothing stores/chains, you name it... suppliers to those shops will also disappear.

I agree. There won’t be money to spend for a while either if it last 18 months as they are saying.  Business landscape will look more like the seventies than anything more recent I feel.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: CTL on March 17, 2020, 04:52:34 PM
The whole business landscape will be different after all this finishes.
1000's of business will close not to reopen.

Travel industry will be ****ed, airlines, travel agents, hotels, bus tour companies, etc..

The flow on effect will be huge...  Im more concerned about the many small businesses that wont survive - 1000's of them... like lunch shops, clothing stores/chains, you name it... suppliers to those shops will also disappear.

Nah, bit of an exaggeration I think.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 17, 2020, 05:14:51 PM
The whole business landscape will be different after all this finishes.

Wonder if this may be the catalyst that sees companies decentralize, and maybe instead of one big corporate "one stop shop" head office they become smaller offices of specialist teams spread around. And maybe the next couple of months of online working from home might make some companies wake up and realize that you don't all need to be in one building, or even all in the same city?

Obviously not viable for all, but whats the difference between emailing/phoning someone on the next floor V's them being in the next state? I know in the building I work in there are around 500 people, I wouldn't have the foggiest who most of them are or what they do, but we all travel from all over Brisbane to be in the same building. There is one person who I have been corresponding with for several months on and off, yet we only realized a couple of weeks ago that we work on the same bloody floor?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on March 17, 2020, 05:53:09 PM
Channel 7 had an "expert" on just now.

Asks him how do you catch it?
Him.  Just like any other virus, sneezing etc...

Me thinks.  HIV is a virus.  I'm going to get AIDS through sneezing!!!!


HIM. Good hygiene, wash hands....

Me thinks.  So if I wash my hands I can't get AIDS?


FFS get an "expert" who makes it straight forward for the numpties


 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on March 17, 2020, 06:30:07 PM
News article said today most airlines are Close to, if not already in, bankruptcy

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 17, 2020, 06:49:27 PM
News article said today most airlines are Close to, if not already in, bankruptcy

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And the last 25 years of my tax dollars say there is going to be one happy little Irishman and one pissed off creepy Englishman pretty soon....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on March 17, 2020, 06:57:27 PM
One thing to consider if you're working from home for a long period of time is make sure you go for a daily walk of at least an hour to get your vitamin D, and ensure you drink at least 2L of water a day. It is easy to just stay inside all day working from home, however you're typically more active at work and you need to maintain that balance.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 17, 2020, 07:07:41 PM
So the Americans have just done the first human trials on the vaccine..... hmmm....
It was all a hoax 3 days ago and then today, oh look we have this vaccine here, anyone want to buy some??

Perhaps the official Chinese statements on the virus origins where on to something.... ;)















I’ll get back in my box now.... ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 17, 2020, 07:14:39 PM
So the Americans have just done the first human trials on the vaccine..... hmmm....
It was all a hoax 3 days ago and then today, oh look we have this vaccine here, anyone want to buy some??

From what I have read, making a vaccine is actually pretty easy (for those that do it), the process to make sure it is safe an effective is what takes the time, and there is no real short cuts too it.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on March 17, 2020, 08:01:54 PM
A HIV drug and Malaria drug are working in test tubes.
So they will trial them soon. 
If that works then it will be full steam ahead as they are already tested and approved. Still months away though.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 18, 2020, 09:04:47 AM
Quote from: Spada
And maybe the next couple of months of online working from home might make some companies wake up and realize that you don't all need to be in one building, or even all in the same city?
... beat me to it. Another nail in the local airlines.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on March 18, 2020, 09:28:28 AM
Now that USA has the Covid-19 virus in its country, the Mexicans are pleading with Donald Trump to hurry up and finish building the Wall.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 18, 2020, 09:48:22 AM
PM talking this morning about new wave of restrictions being made likely to be inplace for atleast 6 months .. Gatherings  limited to 100 people  inside buildings unless its for visiting essential  places and  500 outdoors .. 
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/live-coverage-cinemas-pubs-face-100person-limit-under-corona-crackdown/live-coverage/705b48cadb35364c40449aa736b79daa (https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/live-coverage-cinemas-pubs-face-100person-limit-under-corona-crackdown/live-coverage/705b48cadb35364c40449aa736b79daa)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 18, 2020, 10:28:25 AM
I didnt realise that Australia had so many experts on the virus....regardless of their knowledge on the subject!!!!


Between the media, the govt, the "experts" and social media its no wonder people are carrying on as though the sky is falling!!!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wakychapmans on March 18, 2020, 11:20:38 AM


https://www.tentworld.com.au/buy-sale/scottys-750-pandemic-couples-recovery-kits?fbclid=IwAR2Uf7CDvmJaoMyeYgvbecCWC9A1_ZHg3Cwypjw99zUTn23_Bj4DIeDOXeY

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 18, 2020, 12:04:23 PM
Love it ..Well done Tent world for being Proactive  ....  :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 18, 2020, 12:13:59 PM
Aussie post has Implemented the following limitations on its delivery staff.

No overtime permitted (most posties average 1 to 2 hours a day to meet service standards).
Part time employees not permitted to work additional hours
Casual staff being stopped/dramatically reduced.this is to reduce wage costs in preparation for services potentially being reduced to almost zero due to the restricted movement of product

There's a crap load of mail not being delivered now.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 18, 2020, 12:39:07 PM
Quote from: Spada
There's a crap load of mail not being delivered now.
so no changes for aussie post. :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 18, 2020, 12:41:06 PM
Aussie post has Implemented the following limitations on its delivery staff.

Online purchasing is only going to increase, the government have come out today and say there is no plan to do a full shutdown any time soon.

Australia Post then decides to cut back and let a backlog build up because they might not be able to do deliveries in the future? Makes perfect sense to me 🙄
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 18, 2020, 12:54:24 PM
Online purchasing is only going to increase, the government have come out today and say there is no plan to do a full shutdown any time soon.

Australia Post then decides to cut back and let a backlog build up because they might not be able to do deliveries in the future? Makes perfect sense to me 🙄

There's been limited product coming out of China for over a month (that's where a lot of your ebay stuff originates). A lot of the letters posted for interstate (and even intrastate) are transported as cargo on domestic flights (by Qantas), so a 60% cut to domestic flights means significant disruption to the movement of product domestically. There may not be capacity in the road fleet to compensate (cant just conjour up trucks and drivers, and all the subbies are flat out carting toilet paper)

Quote
so no changes for aussie post. :D

I get what you're saying Bird, but we're not really that bad are we ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Beachman on March 18, 2020, 01:02:38 PM
One thing to consider if you're working from home for a long period of time is make sure you go for a daily walk of at least an hour to get your vitamin D, and ensure you drink at least 2L of water a day. It is easy to just stay inside all day working from home, however you're typically more active at work and you need to maintain that balance.

I've been 'working from home' for the last 3 days and it's not overly busy, so while my Wife isn't happy I'm home to see how many 'Coffee catch ups' she has with other Mum's, she is happy that I'm doing all those small jobs around the house that I've been putting off for months.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 18, 2020, 01:34:46 PM
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on March 18, 2020, 01:37:34 PM
Aussie post has Implemented the following limitations on its delivery staff.

No overtime permitted (most posties average 1 to 2 hours a day to meet service standards).
Part time employees not permitted to work additional hours
Casual staff being stopped/dramatically reduced.this is to reduce wage costs in preparation for services potentially being reduced to almost zero due to the restricted movement of product

There's a crap load of mail not being delivered now.

I'm struggling with all of this. Coles cancels home deliveries and shortens hours the shops open, Aus Post effectively reducing hours so slowing deliveries. It seems like they are forcing people to go out to the shops and creating potential crowds by lessening opening hours. I thought we were trying to minimise contact  ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 18, 2020, 05:01:05 PM


There's a crap load of mail not being delivered now.

When was the last time they delivered much anyway ?  The only things I get are bills that haven't been transferred to emails yet.
E bay deliveries are generally by third party companies....and to be fair, are no quicker than aus post snail trail !!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: McGirr on March 18, 2020, 06:35:25 PM
Unfortunately it's not the virus that's doing the damage but social media is in a frenzy. People believe everything they read.

This is more damaging than the virus itself. It really shows how stupid our society has become.

Mark

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 18, 2020, 06:44:22 PM


Unfortunately it's not the virus that's doing the damage but social media is in a frenzy. People believe everything they read.

This is more damaging than the virus itself. It really shows how stupid our society has become.

Mark

Stupidly is spreading faster than the virus :(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: SJindustries on March 18, 2020, 07:05:49 PM

Stupidly is spreading faster than the virus :(
But makes for some great meme's

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on March 18, 2020, 07:21:43 PM
Comparing the virus's toll with other causes of death from NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/16/upshot/coronavirus-best-worst-death-toll-scenario.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
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Post by: Fox67 on March 18, 2020, 08:13:11 PM
We should implement a two week lockdown on all forms of media.

If this happened 10 to 15 years ago would we have just thought we had a bad flu season??
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 18, 2020, 09:39:05 PM
Comparing the virus's toll with other causes of death from NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/16/upshot/coronavirus-best-worst-death-toll-scenario.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
That’s pretty sobering stuff.

4% infection rate and 0.5% fatality rate still kills more Americans then the flu.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 19, 2020, 09:21:08 AM
No one going to Tassie


https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-australia-tasmania-shuts-down-c-752281?fbclid=IwAR2ok766S8LauwRN3DVajhJ5lnvD2VxAez6QB898fFPU2CPYhTXw8U2QqZE (https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-australia-tasmania-shuts-down-c-752281?fbclid=IwAR2ok766S8LauwRN3DVajhJ5lnvD2VxAez6QB898fFPU2CPYhTXw8U2QqZE)

The Tasmanian government has declared a state of emergency and placed tough new restrictions on mainland Australians seeking entry.

Introducing the toughest border control measures in the country, Premier Peter Gutwein announced on Thursday that anyone seeking entry to Tasmania from anywhere else in Australia from midnight Friday would now be required to self-isolate for 14 days.

“Only essential travellers will be allowed into Tasmania without going into quarantine,” he said.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 19, 2020, 09:24:59 AM
No one going to Tassie

BiL is already booked to go in August :'(

Wonder what happens there ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 19, 2020, 09:25:54 AM
Quote from: Fizzie
BiL is already booked to go in August :'(

Wonder what happens there ???
same with all booked and paid travel - refundable tickets or not... Lots of questions all around.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 19, 2020, 09:36:29 AM
same with all booked and paid travel - refundable tickets or not... Lots of questions all around.

Probably not refundable but will get a credit, which is only worth something if where they booked through doesn't go bust.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 19, 2020, 09:40:58 AM
Probably not refundable but will get a credit, which is only worth something if where they booked through doesn't go bust.

You'd have to think that Spirit of Tas is fairly safe, I hope ::)

Just thinking about it - would travelling around in your own van count as "self isolation" ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 19, 2020, 09:55:47 AM
You'd have to think that Spirit of Tas is fairly safe, I hope ::)

Safe as in its an essential service and the Government will make sure the service is still available, definitely. Safe as in the Gov would step in to bail out the business that currently running it and take on all their existing liabilities, still likely but far from certain.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 19, 2020, 10:05:54 AM
Probably not refundable

Just spoke to him & he said that they were already thinking of cancelling, but that the ship will only refund 75% (of almost $2k :'(), & that's still 6 months out! >:(

They're waiting to see what happens now ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on March 19, 2020, 10:06:25 AM
From the WHO as at the 28th February

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Post by: Bigfish on March 19, 2020, 10:09:15 AM
No one going to Tassie


https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-australia-tasmania-shuts-down-c-752281?fbclid=IwAR2ok766S8LauwRN3DVajhJ5lnvD2VxAez6QB898fFPU2CPYhTXw8U2QqZE (https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/coronavirus-australia-tasmania-shuts-down-c-752281?fbclid=IwAR2ok766S8LauwRN3DVajhJ5lnvD2VxAez6QB898fFPU2CPYhTXw8U2QqZE)

The Tasmanian government has declared a state of emergency and placed tough new restrictions on mainland Australians seeking entry.

Introducing the toughest border control measures in the country, Premier Peter Gutwein announced on Thursday that anyone seeking entry to Tasmania from anywhere else in Australia from midnight Friday would now be required to self-isolate for 14 days.

“Only essential travellers will be allowed into Tasmania without going into quarantine,” he said.



Lets hope its a 2 way street.  Same rules apply when a Tasmanian wants to visit the mainland. They have the virus already...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 19, 2020, 10:18:10 AM
Just spoke to him & he said that they were already thinking of cancelling, but that the ship will only refund 75% (of almost $2k :'(), & that's still 6 months out! >:(

They're waiting to see what happens now ???
I'd say cancelling now isnt the way to go... who knows what will happen by then - they rules may change and these companies may have no option but to refund properly..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 19, 2020, 10:24:16 AM
I'd say cancelling now isnt the way to go... who knows what will happen by then - they rules may change and these companies may have no option but to refund properly..

Just heard back from him ...

They've just checked the website & now offering full refund on cancellations regardless of travel dates :cup:, so they're cancelling today.
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Post by: rossm on March 19, 2020, 11:59:49 AM
Probably not refundable but will get a credit, which is only worth something if where they booked through doesn't go bust.

Was going to Tassie in a couple of weeks.

Spirit of Tasmania is refunding fares. Can be done on line.

Bit disappointed but can understand their thinking. Aboriginal communities can restrict outsiders, Tasmania can, the rest of the country no chance.   
 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 19, 2020, 12:06:19 PM
Quote from: rossm
the rest of the country no chance.
other countries have... why cant we?
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Post by: tombie on March 19, 2020, 12:09:33 PM
Close all internal borders is easily done if the wanted to.


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Post by: Mace on March 19, 2020, 12:11:21 PM


Just thinking about it - would travelling around in your own van count as "self isolation" ???

No. 

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on March 19, 2020, 12:14:27 PM

Lets hope its a 2 way street.  Same rules apply when a Tasmanian wants to visit the mainland. They have the virus already...

Until now, All bar one of the 10 cases was via an overseas arrival.  The one was in  close contact with one of the overseas arrivals....

Im quite happy to quarantine if I ever want to go over to the big island, but as a 60 something male with a couple of chronic issues why would I want to endanger my health....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 19, 2020, 12:26:09 PM

Just thinking about it - would travelling around in your own van count as "self isolation" ???

Mate who managers a caravan park said they are having inquiries from the Grey Nomads etc for a two week stay in vans or cabins etc.  Said they basically not taking any tourist longer then a week.  Also said the local showgrounds are closing or not accepting any campers.   The caravan parks are saying two weeks camping at a caravan park is not 'self isolation'.   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Rodt on March 19, 2020, 12:42:10 PM
Talking to a real estate agent this morning and he said that they have cancelled all open houses on Saturday. Still doing private inspections though
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 19, 2020, 12:46:42 PM
Until now, All bar one of the 10 cases was via an overseas arrival.  The one was in  close contact with one of the overseas arrivals....

Im quite happy to quarantine if I ever want to go over to the big island, but as a 60 something male with a couple of chronic issues why would I want to endanger my health....

Thats exactly how the mainland got it as well...overseas travellers..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: k100dennis on March 19, 2020, 12:57:23 PM
Think of the positives - when did anyone last mention climate change ?  So now that heaps of planes are on the ground we should see the climate issues all fixed, along with the problem of over-population of the earth.  We'll see how long it takes all those tossers to come out with their theories.  Come to think of it, stupidity is spreading faster than the virus and there seems to be no vaccine for that either. Tasmania, an island off an island, . . . not a bad place to be I reckon.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: SJindustries on March 19, 2020, 01:00:10 PM
Close all internal borders is easily done if the wanted to.


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I say no to closing the internal borders. I wanna get back home first

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 19, 2020, 01:13:25 PM
Think of the positives - when did anyone last mention climate change ?  So now that heaps of planes are on the ground we should see the climate issues all fixed, along with the problem of over-population of the earth.  We'll see how long it takes all those tossers to come out with their theories.  Come to think of it, stupidity is spreading faster than the virus and there seems to be no vaccine for that either. Tasmania, an island off an island, . . . not a bad place to be I reckon.

Still been talk about that and the theories, positive and negative about CV.   
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Post by: Bird on March 19, 2020, 01:47:45 PM
Think of the positives - when did anyone last mention climate change ?  So now that heaps of planes are on the ground we should see the climate issues all fixed, along with the problem of over-population of the earth.  We'll see how long it takes all those tossers to come out with their theories.  Come to think of it, stupidity is spreading faster than the virus and there seems to be no vaccine for that either. Tasmania, an island off an island, . . . not a bad place to be I reckon.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 19, 2020, 02:16:29 PM
Mate who managers a caravan park said they are having inquiries from the Grey Nomads etc for a two week stay in vans or cabins etc.  Said they basically not taking any tourist longer then a week.  Also said the local showgrounds are closing or not accepting any campers.   The caravan parks are saying two weeks camping at a caravan park is not 'self isolation'.

Wonder how said Nomads are getting on then ???
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Post by: austastar on March 19, 2020, 02:39:40 PM
Hi,
    Just came back from a lunch with some uni retirees.
Not much traffic.
Plenty of parking every where.
Shiploads have a front window full of toilet rolls.
Dining room at the pub was all ours.
Fish and chips with salad, coffee and ice cream for $15:, now what is the problem?
Cheers


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 19, 2020, 04:07:52 PM
Some smaller communities  shops  are now limiting food supplies to locals only ..starting to pop up on fececrap, atleast this one says your welcome to buy a sandwich or some grog . .. Good luck to travelers / outsiders wanting suplies just keep on trucking .

On a more worrying note we have a confirmed hit less than 5 km from us here, So I guess the waiting game begins to see how quick it spreads around our local community  ..
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Post by: rossm on March 19, 2020, 04:36:42 PM
Hi,
    Just came back from a lunch with some uni retirees.
Not much traffic.
Plenty of parking every where.
Shiploads have a front window full of toilet rolls.
Dining room at the pub was all ours.
Fish and chips with salad, coffee and ice cream for $15:, now what is the problem?
Cheers


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Could have been me in Hobart in three weeks ... but I can understand the Tasmania travel restrictions, partly because the numbers would be small and its easier to enforce and control entry points.

Trying to stop cross border traffic in eastern australia would be impossible and probably do even more damage to the already struggling economy.   

But I did have a pub lunch with a former colleague  yesterday and would encourage people to do the same. Tourism and hospitality businesses are facing a grim time.

And don't think isolation in WA's deserts is the answer. No permits are being issued for the CSR or the roads and tracks leading to it and permits already issued are cancelled.

Travel safe people. 

 
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Post by: Fizzie on March 19, 2020, 04:47:19 PM
On a more worrying note we have a confirmed hit less than 5 km from us here, So I guess the waiting game begins to see how quick it spreads around our local community  ..

Yeah, we've had several cases, but there was only 1, the lady at the beauty salon, that they've said where.

Bit hard to know if you've possibly been in contact with a carrier if you don't know where the carrier has been ::)

Oh wait, there was a second at SCU, but the others ... ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: CTL on March 19, 2020, 06:17:23 PM
And don't think isolation in WA's deserts is the answer. No permits are being issued for the CSR or the roads and tracks leading to it and permits already issued are cancelled.

100% support from me on this initiative.  Protecting the most vulnerable in our community wins every time over some tourists sucking their communities dry of diesel, and buying a few icecreams as token gestures of supporting the locals, then going out and littering their country with toilet paper and beer cans.
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Post by: plusnq on March 19, 2020, 07:12:31 PM
Yeah, we've had several cases, but there was only 1, the lady at the beauty salon, that they've said where.

Bit hard to know if you've possibly been in contact with a carrier if you don't know where the carrier has been ::)

Oh wait, there was a second at SCU, but the others ... ???

There is community transmission on the GC now. Announced today.
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Post by: Raym on March 19, 2020, 07:49:51 PM
Stolen from a friends Facebook post.

I haven't googled the info to confirm or otherwise.

 "HOORAY!! Spread this around!!
🙌🙌 How about some good news? 🙌🙌

🔸?China has closed down its last coronavirus hospital. Not enough new cases to support them.

🔹? Doctors in India have been successful in treating Coronavirus. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine. They are going to suggest same medicine, globally.

🔸??Researchers of the Erasmus Medical Center claim to have found an antibody against coronavirus.

🔹?A 103-year-old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery from COVID-19 after being treated for 6 days in Wuhan, China.

🔸??Apple reopens all 42 china stores,

🔹?Cleveland Clinic developed a COVID-19 test that gives results in hours, not days.

🔸?Good news from South Korea, where the number of new cases is declining.

🔹?Italy is hit hard, experts say, only because they have the oldest population in Europe.

🔸?Scientists in Israel likely to announce the development of a coronavirus vaccine.

🔹?3 Maryland coronavirus patients fully recovered; able to return to everyday life.

🔸?A network of Canadian scientists are making excellent progress in Covid-19 research.

🔹?A San Diego biotech company is developing a Covid-19 vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore.

🔸?Tulsa County's first positive COVID-19 case has recovered. This individual has had two negative tests, which is the indicator of recovery.

🔹?All 7 patients who were getting treated for at Safdarjung hospital in New Delhi have recovered.

🔸?Plasma from newly recovered patients from Covid -19 can treat others infected by Covid-19.

💥So it's not ALL bad news friends. Let's care for each other and stay focused on safety of those most vunerable while continuing to make the best of our days. This too shall pass! I challenge you to spread the good news! We need to have faith, hope and our economy back.

**If you google the above statements, they prove to be true**"
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Post by: JusyApples on March 19, 2020, 08:01:01 PM
Not sure I believe anything that comes out of China.


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Post by: Champin on March 19, 2020, 09:19:50 PM
If that is true, I  wonder how long it would take to use up 3000 rolls of toilet paper. It's not like you can chuck em in the top cupboard.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 20, 2020, 06:25:23 AM
Stolen from a friends Facebook post.

I haven't googled the info to confirm or otherwise.

 "HOORAY!! Spread this around!!
🙌🙌 How about some good news? 🙌🙌

🔸?China has closed down its last coronavirus hospital. Not enough new cases to support them.

🔹? Doctors in India have been successful in treating Coronavirus. Combination of drugs used: Lopinavir, Retonovir, Oseltamivir along with Chlorphenamine. They are going to suggest same medicine, globally.

🔸??Researchers of the Erasmus Medical Center claim to have found an antibody against coronavirus.

🔹?A 103-year-old Chinese grandmother has made a full recovery from COVID-19 after being treated for 6 days in Wuhan, China.

🔸??Apple reopens all 42 china stores,

🔹?Cleveland Clinic developed a COVID-19 test that gives results in hours, not days.

🔸?Good news from South Korea, where the number of new cases is declining.

🔹?Italy is hit hard, experts say, only because they have the oldest population in Europe.

🔸?Scientists in Israel likely to announce the development of a coronavirus vaccine.

🔹?3 Maryland coronavirus patients fully recovered; able to return to everyday life.

🔸?A network of Canadian scientists are making excellent progress in Covid-19 research.

🔹?A San Diego biotech company is developing a Covid-19 vaccine in collaboration with Duke University and National University of Singapore.

🔸?Tulsa County's first positive COVID-19 case has recovered. This individual has had two negative tests, which is the indicator of recovery.

🔹?All 7 patients who were getting treated for at Safdarjung hospital in New Delhi have recovered.

🔸?Plasma from newly recovered patients from Covid -19 can treat others infected by Covid-19.

💥So it's not ALL bad news friends. Let's care for each other and stay focused on safety of those most vunerable while continuing to make the best of our days. This too shall pass! I challenge you to spread the good news! We need to have faith, hope and our economy back.

**If you google the above statements, they prove to be true**"


Our  Sensationalist  media  hounds seem to have missed this memo in the  rabid reporting frenzy ...
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Post by: plusnq on March 20, 2020, 06:35:36 AM
That is what is being reported edz. Personally I am going to be cautious and quietly hopeful. I want to see what happens in China once the populace gets back to work.
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Post by: Pete79 on March 20, 2020, 07:17:38 AM
That is what is being reported edz. Personally I am going to be cautious and quietly hopeful. I want to see what happens in China once the populace gets back to work.
Seems as though the coronavirus has disappeared from China overnight much they same way as dissidents seem to disappear from China overnight all the time.... Amazing isn’t it.... ;)

As far as China getting back to work goes, our company has a factory over there which until Wednesday this week was unaffected by the shutdowns.
Then we received notification that there is now a 3 month delay on all products.

As usual, what China wants you to know and what’s actually happening are 2 very different things.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 20, 2020, 07:37:49 AM
Seems as though the coronavirus has disappeared from China overnight much they same way as dissidents seem to disappear from China overnight all the time.... Amazing isn’t it.... ;)

As far as China getting back to work goes, our company has a factory over there which until Wednesday this week was unaffected by the shutdowns.
Then we received notification that there is now a 3 month delay on all products.

As usual, what China wants you to know and what’s actually happening are 2 very different things.

Agree..China will look after china and no one else. It tells the world what the world wants to hear...not what is actually happening.
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Post by: tryagain on March 20, 2020, 08:14:54 AM
As usual, what China wants you to know and what’s actually happening are 2 very different things.

Yep, China has just turfed out the journalist's from 3 US News outlets (in supposed retaliation). I am treating any figures coming out of there with a healthy dose of suspicion.

We are in for a very bumpy ride ahead, but life will go on afterwards.
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Post by: Beachman on March 20, 2020, 08:25:14 AM
Agree..China will look after china and no one else. It tells the world what the world wants to hear...not what is actually happening.

A Stockbroker mate was saying while a lot of people are panic selling shares, someone (Maybe China) has been spending Billions buying shares worldwide. 
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Post by: rossm on March 20, 2020, 08:32:30 AM
A Stockbroker mate was saying while a lot of people are panic selling shares, someone (Maybe China) has been spending Billions buying shares worldwide.

For every seller there is a buyer. There will be  canny well-resourced investors able to to take a long term view picking up shares in good companies at a good discount.

Sadly I am neither canny nor well resourced.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 20, 2020, 09:25:09 AM
This is affecting everyone - so I suggest we need to support everyone equally :D

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/sex-workers-facing-economic-hit-amid-coronavirus-fears (https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-feed/sex-workers-facing-economic-hit-amid-coronavirus-fears)

Many industries are facing a sharp downturn amid coronavirus fears, and sex workers are among those hit. Many fear they won’t be able to supplement their lost income and may be pushed into riskier option

Riskier options ???
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Post by: Fizzie on March 20, 2020, 09:34:30 AM
Agree..China will look after china and no one else. It tells the world what the world wants to hear...not what is actually happening.

Ever since this all started, I've been wondering the same about Russia, as there's been hardly the mention of it ???

It strikes me as a bit strange that the bug wouldn't also hit them ???
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Post by: Bird on March 20, 2020, 09:39:26 AM
how fast it spreads

https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6688430/confirmed-coronavirus-cases-from-stanwell-tops-wedding-hits-31/?cs=12 (https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6688430/confirmed-coronavirus-cases-from-stanwell-tops-wedding-hits-31/?cs=12)


More than two dozen NSW residents who attended a wedding at a Stanwell Tops venue earlier this month have tested positive to COVID-19, NSW Health has confirmed.

Earlier this week, there were six confirmed cases of coronavirus among guests who attended the wedding at Tumbling Waters Retreat on March 6.

That number has since risen to 31, with a further four people who were close contacts of the wedding guests also diagnosed with COVID-19.
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Post by: wakychapmans on March 20, 2020, 09:58:10 AM
Ever since this all started, I've been wondering the same about Russia, as there's been hardly the mention of it ???

It strikes me as a bit strange that the bug wouldn't also hit them ???

I was wondering the same thing about India and Bangladesh (high number of closely packed populations, with very low medical support per head of population)

and Africa, Egypt, South America...

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rossm on March 20, 2020, 10:19:46 AM
I was wondering the same thing about India and Bangladesh (high number of closely packed populations, with very low medical support per head of population)

and Africa, Egypt, South America...
A friend with a contact in an aid group in Tanzania told me yesterday there had been no reported cases there but highlighted to poor access to limited health resources in that country. 

As is usually the  case third world countries will most likely pay a higher price.
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Post by: Pete79 on March 20, 2020, 10:27:06 AM
I was wondering the same thing about India and Bangladesh (high number of closely packed populations, with very low medical support per head of population)

and Africa, Egypt, South America...
There was an Aussie guy in India talking to Triple J yesterday afternoon, he made some very interesting comments about the way India has handled the current situation.
Basically while Scotty from Marketing has been having work-shopping meetings and planning strategic roll out of the advertising campaign, the Indian government has been getting on with it.

The measures announced for Australia yesterday have mostly been in place in India for almost 2 weeks now.
While ScoMo was saying we should all go to the footy and rub shoulders with infected people, the Indian government had already cancelled all sports and major events.
We're about 2 weeks behind most of those developing countries.

But I'm sure we're going to have a kick-ass tax payer funded advertising campaign all over the Australian media any day now..... ::)
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Post by: Mace on March 20, 2020, 11:09:31 AM
Lets hope we dont get to see images like this in Oz.

Army convoy moving the dead, Bergamo, ITALY.

(https://i.ibb.co/6thPLBc/Bergamo-X-1.jpg)

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Post by: Bird on March 20, 2020, 11:43:00 AM
was there any option?

Quote
NAB announces mortgage relief

National Australia Bank has announced it may allow mortgage customers that were in difficulty because of the coronavirus crisis to "pause" their mortgage repayments for up to six months.

As part of the plan, customers will face a "checkpoint" at three months


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ETg1bh4U8AA4mX3?format=jpg&name=large).
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Post by: Fizzie on March 20, 2020, 12:03:51 PM
and Africa,

Was reading an article earlier (which I can't find now! :-[) that said that it has spread from ~6 African countries to ~34 of them in a matter of days :o

This won't be good :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 20, 2020, 12:08:34 PM
This sort of stuff  won't help https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/17/china-threatens-emp-attack-south-china-sea/ (https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/03/17/china-threatens-emp-attack-south-china-sea/)  ..
Red dawn or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu0mNFyzeHs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu0mNFyzeHs) anyone .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 20, 2020, 12:18:56 PM
It will affect the richer countries first, as they have more people who travel, it will then affect the poorer worse, as they are less able to deal with it.  :'(
In reality, we have only had a handful of deaths here so far, the biggest issues have been the hysteria from a populace who aren't used to dealing with adversity. Places in the third world are far more used to things like food shortages and hard times in general.
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Post by: Bird on March 20, 2020, 03:18:30 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK0dBMvqLhc&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK0dBMvqLhc&feature=youtu.be)
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Post by: Spada on March 20, 2020, 04:39:54 PM
It will affect the richer countries first, as they have more people who travel, it will then affect the poorer worse, as they are less able to deal with it.  :'(
In reality, we have only had a handful of deaths here so far, the biggest issues have been the hysteria from a populace who aren't used to dealing with adversity. Places in the third world are far more used to things like food shortages and hard times in general.

Agreed, the farmers and rural communities but be shaking their heads in utter disbelief at crazy s#1t going on in the supermarkets. Most of our rural cousins are pretty used to being isolated for a good stretch, but apparently you need a pallet of poo tickets to survive a weekend at home in the city  ??? Farmers must be wondering why they bother feeding us?
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Post by: rockrat on March 20, 2020, 05:33:05 PM
It’s going to be interesting to see how the government’s rental relief scheme is going to work. Lots of mum and dad investors have rental properties and may not be able to afford not having the rent coming in. Sure the banks will postpone repayments but the interest is still being charged and if tenants can’t pay up at some point, who is going to lose out - definitely won’t be the banks!


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Post by: xcvator on March 20, 2020, 06:24:31 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Gloria-Leung-ta-Lucky-Destiny-Exports-105911344361978/?__tn__=%2Cd%2CP-R&eid=ARBEbpIsFncb9BD2OYAW0CrSPLNEaIeMP8YiKYV5m4tj3rnLVsfIYhfwpR5hgYrRVm3DdyaYnQNUdEql (https://www.facebook.com/Gloria-Leung-ta-Lucky-Destiny-Exports-105911344361978/?__tn__=%2Cd%2CP-R&eid=ARBEbpIsFncb9BD2OYAW0CrSPLNEaIeMP8YiKYV5m4tj3rnLVsfIYhfwpR5hgYrRVm3DdyaYnQNUdEql)
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Post by: McGirr on March 20, 2020, 06:38:02 PM
I would honestly hate to be a PM or Premier in this current crisis, the pressure to get everything right to control the spread is near impossible.

My sister just flew in from overseas and all. She was told to self isolate for 14 days. She advised Singapore was doing temperature checks when transitting through there.

Mark
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Post by: Bigfish on March 20, 2020, 06:59:27 PM
I would honestly hate to be a PM or Premier in this current crisis, the pressure to get everything right to control the spread is near impossible.

My sister just flew in from overseas and all. She was told to self isolate for 14 days. She advised Singapore was doing temperature checks when transitting through there.

Mark

I do not understand why we are not doing temperature checks.  We should also be allowed to get some of our super out to help with living now!!!  No good losing your house when your in your 40,s with 2 decades at least to go being homeless and on the street..
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Post by: rockrat on March 20, 2020, 07:25:15 PM
I do not understand why we are not doing temperature checks.  We should also be allowed to get some of our super out to help with living now!!!  No good losing your house when your in your 40,s with 2 decades at least to go being homeless and on the street..
I believe you can already get limited access to your super in times of hardship, for example to pay the interest on your mortgage.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 20, 2020, 07:30:42 PM
I believe you can already get limited access to your super in times of hardship, for example to pay the interest on your mortgage.

Havent heard of it...any links?  Would be a game changer for many people..
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Post by: rockrat on March 20, 2020, 07:39:27 PM
Havent heard of it...any links?  Would be a game changer for many people..
Try this:
https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Super/Withdrawing-and-using-your-super/Early-access-to-your-super/
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Post by: gronk on March 20, 2020, 09:02:06 PM
  We should also be allowed to get some of our super out to help with living now!!! 

Hardship clause has always been there.
To make it easier to access super  ( this case is an exemption ) would let too many people waste their super, which in turn would put more people on the pension in later life, which puts more pressure on a govt to make it harder to get on the pension....like increase the pension age !!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 20, 2020, 09:35:41 PM
Agreed, the farmers and rural communities but be shaking their heads in utter disbelief at crazy s#1t going on in the supermarkets. Most of our rural cousins are pretty used to being isolated for a good stretch, but apparently you need a pallet of poo tickets to survive a weekend at home in the city  ??? Farmers must be wondering why they bother feeding us?
Been watching the reports about the recent rains in western NSW and the farmers finally having something to smile about.

They spoke to one lady the other morning who was kicking herself for not getting into the panic buying thing sooner.
Apparently she popped down to the shops to do a normal top up of bog roll only to find the Bush was suffering from the same stupidity as the city. :(
I gathered it was something like a couple of hundred km trip for her to find some for the family.
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Post by: Bigpickle on March 20, 2020, 09:57:25 PM
I reckon that, within the next 3 months, we'll see lotsa boats, campers, caravans and 4x4's on Gumtree and Facebook, for sale.

Could pick up a real bargain.
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Post by: Raym on March 21, 2020, 12:08:38 PM
The separation thing is a bit of a joke all seems a bit half baked.

Just drove past Bunnings, car park is packed. Went to a butchers to grab something for tea & the lemmings are packed in there like sardines trying to get to the counter to get stuff. Was able to grab what I wanted from the display case & bolt.

This butcher normally trades Sundays but had signs up saying not enough stock to open tomorrow.

Just saw a headline that the beaches are packed. Not sure where they were referring to.
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Post by: Bird on March 21, 2020, 12:08:58 PM
Quote from: Bigpickle
I reckon that, within the next 3 months, we'll see lotsa boats, campers, caravans and 4x4's on Gumtree and Facebook, for sale.

Could pick up a real bargain.
agree. all sorts of toys will be just about given away
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 21, 2020, 12:10:19 PM
The separation thing is a bit of a joke all seems a bit half baked.

Just drove past Bunnings, car park is packed. Went to a butchers to grab something for tea & the lemmings are packed in there like sardines trying to get to the counter to get stuff. Was able to grab what I wanted from the display case & bolt.

This butcher normally trades Sundays but had signs up saying not enough stock to open tomorrow.

Just saw a headline that the beaches are packed. Not sure where they were referring to.
Bondi
(https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/12077578-3x2-940x627.jpg)
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Post by: plusnq on March 21, 2020, 12:11:55 PM
Bondi
(https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/12077578-3x2-940x627.jpg)

Bondi’s  just been closed
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Post by: edz on March 21, 2020, 12:14:32 PM
All out getting lots of healthy sun and fresh air to fight the onset of the dreaded virus   https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coronavirus-and-the-sun-a-lesson-from-the-1918-influenza-pandemic-509151dc8065 (https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coronavirus-and-the-sun-a-lesson-from-the-1918-influenza-pandemic-509151dc8065)
Locals around here just arnt getting it through their thick heads either . Ignoring new regulations on crowd gaps etc,  pub on the QLD side of the border last night was packed virtualy shoulder to shoulder ..
Had the boys in Blue doing compliance checks on pubs / clubs etc on the NSW side for the new regulated spacing and allocated patron numbers for venue zones .
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Post by: Fizzie on March 21, 2020, 12:26:32 PM
Just saw a headline that the beaches are packed. Not sure where they were referring to.

Just had a look at the GC Coast Cams, & while there are a few people on the beach, I certainly wouldn't call them packed, or even crowded!
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Post by: weeds on March 21, 2020, 08:43:10 PM
Went to Sandgate foreshore for a run this morning, was expecting it to be quite as Park Runs have been cancelled.

Bloody hell I couldn’t get a car park where I normally park....the place was teaming with people, seemed a whole lot more than normal.


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Post by: terravista on March 21, 2020, 09:34:44 PM
One good thing coming out of this drama is knowing how our leaders and health professionals rate teachers high on the "who cares if they die" list.
Children can carry the virus a couple of days before showing symptoms, if they show them at all, but it's okay to send them to school to either infect the teachers so they get the disease or take it home to their families.
A class of 30 kids in a 42m2 classroom does not equate to a safe distance.
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Post by: tryagain on March 22, 2020, 07:27:04 AM
One good thing coming out of this drama is knowing how our leaders and health professionals rate teachers high on the "who cares if they die" list.
Children can carry the virus a couple of days before showing symptoms, if they show them at all, but it's okay to send them to school to either infect the teachers so they get the disease or take it home to their families.
A class of 30 kids in a 42m2 classroom does not equate to a safe distance.

The school thing has gone pretty illogical on FB from what I have seen, would hate to see the same here. Put simply, they have classed school as essential, as they have work. The 4m per person was specifically to do with non essential gatherings.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 22, 2020, 08:30:29 AM
One good thing coming out of this drama is knowing how our leaders and health professionals rate teachers high on the "who cares if they die" list.
Children can carry the virus a couple of days before showing symptoms, if they show them at all, but it's okay to send them to school to either infect the teachers so they get the disease or take it home to their families.
A class of 30 kids in a 42m2 classroom does not equate to a safe distance.

It is estimated that 30% of the medical workforce would be affected if all the kids were sent home.. Many people also rely on elderly grand parents to look after the kids during work hours.  Kid being kids would also mean many would ignore the isolation and roam anyway. Once again crime would go up and this is a given during any school break!.  Kids are a lot more tolerant to the virus than the elderly and very little chance of a death from the virus. If you were going to stop the kids from going to school, in my opinion, you would shut down everything, except essential services for 2 weeks as well. Completely ban people on the streets and use cops as well as army to police.  Fed govt MUST have a money package available to help business and individuals.. The big cities are where the virus is spreading....must be peoples ignorance or stupidity in cities that cause the rise in cases. Its not hard to self isolate and only go out if absolutely necessary..i.e...to stock up with more food/medicines.  Going to the beach/pub/cafe  is just dumb as far as I,m concerned.  Its about time the young bullet proof twats who carry on as though they are completely bullet proof pulled their heads in and though of others in the community.
 :cheers:
Some will agree, some wont
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Post by: Hoyks on March 22, 2020, 08:31:13 AM
I work in what is classed as an essential service. Last week I had to canvas my staff and see who could still come in if the schools closed. That came in as around 2/3rds, in health care its closer to 1/2.

School not only teaches the kids, but in this age of both parents having to work, it has become essential day care. Close the schools and a heap of people can't go to work and the economy takes even more of a hit

Its the balance of them getting sick or their parents losing their jobs and them going hungry. All a tough tight rope to walk.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 22, 2020, 09:01:14 AM
Why it is so important to socially isolate....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/
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Post by: Hairs on March 22, 2020, 09:09:36 AM
Why it is so important to socially isolate....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/
Cheers,
But many will not.
:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 22, 2020, 09:15:18 AM
Cheers,
But many will not.
:(

I think this virus is also an intelligence test for mankind....many, many will fail to use their intelligence to look after themselves AND others.   We have already seen the dunny roll hoarders show their lack of intelligence or respect for others... :cheers:
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Post by: edz on March 22, 2020, 09:43:31 AM
Just realised : Where are all our superstar famous / sports people and actors etc, Normaly they are all over TV and radio at these types of times spruking messages  of encouragement and hope apealing to the masses  to do the right thing etc...
Is it just me not seeing or hearing it or has there been a deafening silence ...Just a thought.
   
Was thinking it might encourage more to do whats being asked by the Government  and health mobs
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Post by: Hairs on March 22, 2020, 10:08:18 AM
I think this virus is also an intelligence test for mankind....many, many will fail to use their intelligence to look after themselves AND others.   We have already seen the dunny roll hoarders show their lack of intelligence or respect for others... :cheers:
Unfortunatley, there is evidence of it here :(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 22, 2020, 10:41:38 AM
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-bondi-beach-closed-spain-deaths-increase/01f9d3d4-f467-4b28-9958-c8c2a8df1bb9 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-bondi-beach-closed-spain-deaths-increase/01f9d3d4-f467-4b28-9958-c8c2a8df1bb9)



All 'non-essential' travel to be banned: Scott Morrison
By Stuart Marsh11:27
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has recommended all Australians avoid non-essential travel as the government works to contain the outbreak of COVID-19.

"After consulting with premiers and chief ministers overnight, we have decided that we are moving immediately to recommend against all non-essential travel in Australia," said Mr Morrison.

"All non-essential travel should be cancelled.

"Work-related and compassionate grounds, those types of arrangements, is essential but also essential supplies and other important arrangements needed to keep Australia running."
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 10:46:04 AM
https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-bondi-beach-closed-spain-deaths-increase/01f9d3d4-f467-4b28-9958-c8c2a8df1bb9 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-australia-live-updates-bondi-beach-closed-spain-deaths-increase/01f9d3d4-f467-4b28-9958-c8c2a8df1bb9)



All 'non-essential' travel to be banned: Scott Morrison
By Stuart Marsh11:27
Prime Minister Scott Morrison has recommended all Australians avoid non-essential travel as the government works to contain the outbreak of COVID-19.

"After consulting with premiers and chief ministers overnight, we have decided that we are moving immediately to recommend against all non-essential travel in Australia," said Mr Morrison.

"All non-essential travel should be cancelled.

"Work-related and compassionate grounds, those types of arrangements, is essential but also essential supplies and other important arrangements needed to keep Australia running."
but then you read this
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-ve-barely-seen-another-person-families-flee-sydney-to-sit-out-virus-in-the-country-20200319-p54c0i.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-ve-barely-seen-another-person-families-flee-sydney-to-sit-out-virus-in-the-country-20200319-p54c0i.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 22, 2020, 10:57:06 AM
but then you read this
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-ve-barely-seen-another-person-families-flee-sydney-to-sit-out-virus-in-the-country-20200319-p54c0i.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-ve-barely-seen-another-person-families-flee-sydney-to-sit-out-virus-in-the-country-20200319-p54c0i.html)

Be okay for those that have already travelled.   Will still take a while to work out just how to implement it to essential travel.  Other Countries have done a letter of authority to travel. 

Form other examples eg Bondi beach, self regulation has failed. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 22, 2020, 11:12:25 AM
but then you read this
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-ve-barely-seen-another-person-families-flee-sydney-to-sit-out-virus-in-the-country-20200319-p54c0i.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/i-ve-barely-seen-another-person-families-flee-sydney-to-sit-out-virus-in-the-country-20200319-p54c0i.html)
Yep, I know a mate and his wife have left Adelaide to isolate in the back blocks because of their health.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 22, 2020, 02:58:23 PM
Just realised : Where are all our superstar famous / sports people and actors etc, Normaly they are all over TV and radio at these types of times spruking messages  of encouragement and hope apealing to the masses  to do the right thing etc...
Is it just me not seeing or hearing it or has there been a deafening silence ...Just a thought.

Good question, Edz ???

Maybe they've all already shot through ::)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 22, 2020, 02:59:55 PM
but then you read this

Yep, good on you, SMH ::)

Things are in pretty dire straits, or getting that way rapidly, & you've still got your 5 story / month limit on >:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on March 22, 2020, 03:09:01 PM
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 03:17:05 PM
Yep, good on you, SMH ::)

Things are in pretty dire straits, or getting that way rapidly, & you've still got your 5 story / month limit on >:(
clear ya cookies and it resets, or use another browser ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 04:06:41 PM
Victoria:
Schools closed from Tuesday in drastic bid to curb spread of coronavirus

Schools will be closed and all non-essential activities shut down as the state government enacts dramatic measures to prevent deaths and the spread of coronavirus.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: JusyApples on March 22, 2020, 04:10:44 PM
Not sure what we will do if preschools shut down.
I work in an “essential service” I certainly won’t get time off.
I’m assuming my wife’s position in the bank would also be essential so we’d be stuffed.


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 22, 2020, 04:22:24 PM
The "essential" bit is the confusing part at the moment, previously, the Fed gov referred to it as including work and school, looks like the states are using it in a different context.

Looks like pubs clubs cafe's etc where people meet are a given to close. Supermarkets, doctors, pharmacies etc are a given to stay open. But there is so much grey inbetween the black and white cases that need clarity. Here in Qld we seem to have decision shy Premier, so I suspect we will follow the other eastern states but it might be about a week behind.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 04:23:17 PM
IMWO:
With all this going on, closing everything, blocking borders, risking entire economies and industries etc - there is a Shit load they are not telling us, nor telling us how bad this will become.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: SJindustries on March 22, 2020, 04:31:57 PM
IMWO:
With all this going on, closing everything, blocking borders, risking entire economies and industries etc - there is a Shit load they are not telling us, nor telling us how bad this will become.
Telling ya, I ain't going to be stuck in NSW. I'll be finding out first thing tomorrow morning though.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 04:35:05 PM
Telling ya, I ain't going to be stuck in NSW. I'll be finding out first thing tomorrow morning though.
offroad it :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: SJindustries on March 22, 2020, 04:36:50 PM
offroad it :D
I’m looking at options now


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 04:37:27 PM
Quote from: SJindustries
I’m looking at options now
travel at night ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 22, 2020, 04:41:55 PM
Quote from: Bigfish
We should also be allowed to get some of our super out to help with living now!!! 


Australians will be give n early access to $20,000 from their superannuation in an emergency effort to help workers suffering financially during the coronavirus pandemic but there are concerns it is now the worst time for people to dip into their nest eggs.

The new measures revealed as part of the federal government's $66 billion stimulus package on Sunday morning would allow individuals facing financial stress due to the disease to access $10,000 in 2019-20 and another $10,000 in 2020-21.

Those who are eligible are able to apply through myGov to access the funds before 1 July for the first $10,000 and have three months after this date to access more. These funds will not be taxed and will not affect Centrelink or Veterans' Affairs payments, with an expected cost to the budget of $1.2 billion.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Moggy on March 22, 2020, 04:42:40 PM


The "essential" bit is the confusing part at the moment, previously, the Fed gov referred to it as including work and school, looks like the states are using it in a different context.

Looks like pubs clubs cafe's etc where people meet are a given to close. Supermarkets, doctors, pharmacies etc are a given to stay open. But there is so much grey inbetween the black and white cases that need clarity. Here in Qld we seem to have decision shy Premier, so I suspect we will follow the other eastern states but it might be about a week behind.

Yeah, I'm confused by the "essential" tag. I do waterproofing,  not really essential, but is if you want to tile the wet areas. Also supposed to go to Bowen next week for a job, don't really know where I stand atm

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 22, 2020, 05:04:22 PM
IMWO:
With all this going on, closing everything, blocking borders, risking entire economies and industries etc - there is a Shit load they are not telling us, nor telling us how bad this will become.

You just need to look at Italy to see what can easily happen, and it can scale up to that very quickly and easily get worse, I think the US is about to see a big body count as well. You only need to crunch some pretty simple maths to see how bad and how quickly this could get.

Our Gov has actually been ahead of most of the rest of the world early on which I think they had hoped would allow that we might have been able to carry on with some normalcy with work and education, but I think pictures of Bondi beach and packed pubs etc have forced their hand.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: JusyApples on March 22, 2020, 05:09:57 PM
The only winner here is the long term dole bludger.


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 22, 2020, 05:13:42 PM



Those who are eligible are able to apply through myGov to access the funds before 1 July for the first $10,000 and have three months after this date to access more. These funds will not be taxed and will not affect Centrelink or Veterans' Affairs payments, with an expected cost to the budget of $1.2 billion.

I don't understand how it will cost the govt anything...accessing super  may not help the super funds bottom line, but the govt doesn't finance or run the super funds ?
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Post by: D4D on March 22, 2020, 05:16:05 PM
I don't understand how it will cost the govt anything...accessing super  may not help the super funds bottom line, but the govt doesn't finance or run the super funds ?

Not paying tax to get it out
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 22, 2020, 05:18:54 PM
I don't understand how it will cost the govt anything...accessing super  may not help the super funds bottom line, but the govt doesn't finance or run the super funds ?

The way super has been disappearing lately they will be flat out getting much..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 22, 2020, 07:18:47 PM
The only winner here is the long term dole bludger.


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I'm not sure I'd call them winners but those who rely 100% on government assistance are certainly going benefit.  An extra $550 per fortnight for what, to stimulate the economy, even though all but the essentials are going to be closed?
I haven't seen the details yet but I hope pensioners are getting the same increase!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 22, 2020, 07:51:08 PM
Not paying tax to get it out

Yes, but it's a tax they wouldn't get for many years to come in most cases. Don't worry, in the future, they'll get it back...and more !!
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Post by: JusyApples on March 22, 2020, 09:33:41 PM
I'm not sure I'd call them winners but those who rely 100% on government assistance are certainly going benefit.  An extra $550 per fortnight for what, to stimulate the economy, even though all but the essentials are going to be closed?
I haven't seen the details yet but I hope pensioners are getting the same increase!
Long term dole bludgers are the winners $1500 in stimulus payments and double the Centrelink payment for sitting on their ass their whole life.
While the working class taxpayer who have forked out year after year get 0


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 22, 2020, 09:47:37 PM
The "essential" bit is the confusing part at the moment, previously, the Fed gov referred to it as including work and school, looks like the states are using it in a different context.

Looks like pubs clubs cafe's etc where people meet are a given to close. Supermarkets, doctors, pharmacies etc are a given to stay open. But there is so much grey inbetween the black and white cases that need clarity. Here in Qld we seem to have decision shy Premier, so I suspect we will follow the other eastern states but it might be about a week behind.

Looks like Scomo has bought some clarity to it tonight, he was looking a bit tired but I think he is doing pretty well on the whole, starting the national cabinet with the Premiers was a good move to de-politicise the issue, it's a different Scotty than we saw with the bushfires. They seem to be making rational decisions based on the expert advice while the media seem to be trying to whip up a frenzy.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on March 23, 2020, 05:55:01 AM
Looks like Scomo has bought some clarity to it tonight, he was looking a bit tired but I think he is doing pretty well on the whole, starting the national cabinet with the Premiers was a good move to de-politicise the issue, it's a different Scotty than we saw with the bushfires. They seem to be making rational decisions based on the expert advice while the media seem to be trying to whip up a frenzy.

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Post by: #jonesy on March 23, 2020, 06:49:09 AM
I don't understand how it will cost the govt anything...accessing super  may not help the super funds bottom line, but the govt doesn't finance or run the super funds ?
Take $10k out today, and in years to come when you retired your $100k+++ worse off. Who picks up the short fall? 
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Post by: Bigfish on March 23, 2020, 08:11:30 AM
Take $10k out today, and in years to come when you retired your $100k+++ worse off. Who picks up the short fall?

Taking $10,000 out today is probably a good thing seeing as we have lost 10% in a month.  No different to the GFC.....Super took a big whack but recovered and recovered very well.  Super is a long term strategy and will work out in the long run.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 23, 2020, 08:43:26 AM
clear ya cookies and it resets, or use another browser ;)

Thanks!

Turns out that "incognito" works as well 8) (accept you then also get ad's included, as apparently uBlock stops working? :'()
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 23, 2020, 08:47:15 AM
The "essential" bit is the confusing part at the moment, previously, the Fed gov referred to it as including work and school, looks like the states are using it in a different context.

Looks like pubs clubs cafe's etc where people meet are a given to close. Supermarkets, doctors, pharmacies etc are a given to stay open. But there is so much grey inbetween the black and white cases that need clarity. Here in Qld we seem to have decision shy Premier, so I suspect we will follow the other eastern states but it might be about a week behind.

A bit trivial, I know, but one that I'm wondering about is the BGS ???

There's been lot's of comments about people staying home & working in the garden, doing odd jobs & so on, but where are they going to get the gear from ???

I know a hardware store isn't really "essential", but it's also a tradie's supply store so that would make it essential for them, but as Hairs has said, is anybody getting tradies in to do anything, & can they even come into your house to work ???

Lot's more answers needed here! ::)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wakychapmans on March 23, 2020, 08:55:12 AM
my wife is a pre-school teacher in NSW.

she suffers from very bad asthma and is diabetic.

While many have pointed out that children (for the most part), don't get very sick from the virus... (and very few die)

a lot of people are forgetting that they are nature's perfect little incubators, carriers and dispersers.

my wife is terrified of getting sick with this. But if she tells her boss that she isn't going to work... then she won't be paid. If the state or federal gov' *close* the schools (officially) then the council that employs her will pay her.

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Post by: #jonesy on March 23, 2020, 09:10:49 AM
A bit trivial, I know, but one that I'm wondering about is the BGS ???

I stocked up yesterday.
A slab of beer and a visit to the BGS for a few items for projects if needed.
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Post by: austastar on March 23, 2020, 09:18:21 AM
Hi,
    This is from 2007.

Interesting list of authors.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 23, 2020, 09:33:34 AM
Of more concern

Carlton & United Breweries had issued a statement on Sunday night warning of the loss of thousands of jobs in the brewing industry, as well as there being "no beer" available in Australia for at least three months if beer was not given exempt status.
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Post by: SJindustries on March 23, 2020, 09:34:33 AM
Of more concern

Carlton & United Breweries had issued a statement on Sunday night warning of the loss of thousands of jobs in the brewing industry, as well as there being "no beer" available in Australia for at least three months if beer was not given exempt status.
Moonshine

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 23, 2020, 09:37:28 AM
Moonshine

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how did ya go.. jump the border?

First comment on the booze thing

The immune system will really benefit from getting on the sauce.
Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.

 :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
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Post by: SJindustries on March 23, 2020, 09:40:03 AM
how did ya go.. jump the border?

First comment on the booze thing

The immune system will really benefit from getting on the sauce.
Eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die.

 :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Not yet. Gotta commission a big change we did over the weekend then Packing up all my gear and heading home. I'll be over the boarder by tomorrow midday.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 23, 2020, 09:43:42 AM
Quote from: SJindustries
Not yet. Gotta commission a big change we did over the weekend then Packing up all my gear and heading home. I'll be over the boarder by tomorrow midday.
Where ya crossing so I can give em the heads up . :D

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Post by: CTL on March 23, 2020, 09:45:40 AM
Essential as at 20 March.  Will change without doubt.
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Post by: tedota on March 23, 2020, 10:00:20 AM
Be interesting to see if the shopping centres themselves end up being shut just leaving the supermarket part open. Be a hundred people or more in these places all hyped up and crashing into each other with all the hoarding happening at the moment.
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 23, 2020, 10:02:20 AM
Where ya crossing so I can give em the heads up . :D

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This reminds me of a thread a few years ago when the interstaters were coming over the border to deliver some gear

GG
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Post by: Bird on March 23, 2020, 10:14:48 AM


This reminds me of a thread a few years ago when the interstaters were coming over the border to deliver some gear

GG
hahahahahahh was thinking the same LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
was the first night I met forum members out there too
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Post by: Bird on March 23, 2020, 10:21:03 AM
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Post by: Bird on March 23, 2020, 12:43:05 PM
what do you do here....


cruise ship wanting to dock in Fremantle has 1700 people onboard, nearly all italians, germans, other europeans

they are reporting over 200 people with upper respitory issues onboard
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Post by: rockrat on March 23, 2020, 12:54:50 PM
Be interesting to see if the shopping centres themselves end up being shut just leaving the supermarket part open. Be a hundred people or more in these places all hyped up and crashing into each other with all the hoarding happening at the moment.
My missus has a full time job in a fashion concession store within Myer in a major shopping centre. Sales have, for obvious reasons, dropped massively since the Coronavirus became a thing. Some days not a single sale. Today she was informed her hours would be cut to 3 hours per day. I suspect it won’t be more than a week before retailers such as Myer such their doors voluntarily.


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Post by: Fizzie on March 23, 2020, 01:19:56 PM
what do you do here....


cruise ship wanting to dock in Fremantle has 1700 people onboard, nearly all italians, germans, other europeans

they are reporting over 200 people with upper respitory issues onboard


Let it dock so they've got shore power, water & services, then quarantine the entire ship so that nobody leaves unless being med-evaced to hospital. Everybody stays onboard until 2 weeks after the last case is reported  & if that's 6 months away, then it's 6 months away!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 23, 2020, 02:08:34 PM
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/st-margarets-anglican-girls-school-confirms-three-parents-have-tested-positive-to-coronavirus/news-story/2dffb47f842a7766cb3290f393692cde (https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/st-margarets-anglican-girls-school-confirms-three-parents-have-tested-positive-to-coronavirus/news-story/2dffb47f842a7766cb3290f393692cde)

QUEENSLAND’S border will be closed from midnight, Wednesday, it can be confirmed.

Anyone travelling into Queensland will be required to self quarantine for 14 days regardless if they are sick or not.
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Post by: Mace on March 23, 2020, 02:19:00 PM
Let it dock so they've got shore power, water & services, then quarantine the entire ship so that nobody leaves unless being med-evaced to hospital. Everybody stays onboard until 2 weeks after the last case is reported  & if that's 6 months away, then it's 6 months away!

The Death rate on board would be unacceptable.....

I believe WA Government are looking at Rottenest Island as a quarantine area, using Hotels there, and providing proper medical care and support. Otherwise mining camps, etc should be looked at.   Leaving them shipboard has been proven to increase exposure rates dramatically due to the lack of professional cleaning and medical management.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/coronavirus-rottnest-island-set-to-become-a-quarantine-zone/news-story/4fd9c848821da408a1de4c7458f1a2ea
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 23, 2020, 02:30:32 PM
For several days now I have been reading as much about this virus and its effect on countries.  With the Australian attitude of "she`ll be right" we will be in deep Shit!!!   Unless we shut down completely for at least 3 weeks and immediately...we are prolonging the effect and causing needless deaths and hardship!! The govt is continually sending out mixed messages and dithering in responses.  Grow some balls and nip this thing in the bud before its too late....We dont want to be another Italy!!!

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Post by: plusnq on March 23, 2020, 05:00:42 PM
For several days now I have been reading as much about this virus and its effect on countries.  With the Australian attitude of "she`ll be right" we will be in deep Shit!!!   Unless we shut down completely for at least 3 weeks and immediately...we are prolonging the effect and causing needless deaths and hardship!! The govt is continually sending out mixed messages and dithering in responses.  Grow some balls and nip this thing in the bud before its too late....We dont want to be another Italy!!!

We are where Italy was three weeks ago
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Post by: rockrat on March 23, 2020, 06:49:37 PM
An interesting article about the choice between "full lockdown" and "flattening the curve" that the government, and therefore, we all face.  Problem with most governments is that they try to please most of the people most of the time, which inevitably leaves them at risk of sitting on the fence in crisis situations like this. I'm ok with either scenario but whatever way it goes, I just hope the state and federal governments are far more decisive than they have been so far.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-has-48-hours-to-decide-which-path-to-take/news-story/1b6d73c33fdaab18c3cd8a212598c06c
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 24, 2020, 10:33:37 AM
An interesting article about the choice between "full lockdown" and "flattening the curve" that the government, and therefore, we all face.  Problem with most governments is that they try to please most of the people most of the time, which inevitably leaves them at risk of sitting on the fence in crisis situations like this. I'm ok with either scenario but whatever way it goes, I just hope the state and federal governments are far more decisive than they have been so far.

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-has-48-hours-to-decide-which-path-to-take/news-story/1b6d73c33fdaab18c3cd8a212598c06c (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-has-48-hours-to-decide-which-path-to-take/news-story/1b6d73c33fdaab18c3cd8a212598c06c)
Interesting read.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: CTL on March 24, 2020, 10:36:06 AM
We are only at the beginning

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Post by: Mace on March 24, 2020, 11:11:47 AM
We are only at the beginning

In a far better position than Italy.

(https://i.ibb.co/xgm7MrV/Covid2.gif)



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Post by: plusnq on March 24, 2020, 11:36:24 AM
We just started later.
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Post by: alnjan on March 24, 2020, 11:40:26 AM
In a far better position than Italy.

(https://i.ibb.co/xgm7MrV/Covid2.gif)


We are only a month behind Italy
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 24, 2020, 12:06:07 PM
I think the US will soon be the reference point for comparisons in regard to how bad it could get. Just about every variable I can think of has them fairing worse than Italy, general health, willingness to follow government directives, the hospital system, their lack of testing, Trump's inaction early on (expect to hear him call it the China virus a lot more), the super partisan nature of their politics. etc etc.
Add to all of that, a lot of uncertain and frightened people as it all unravels, fully locked and loaded with their finger on the trigger ready to protect themselves from the masses of other locked and loaded people they think might be coming to either give them the virus or get "their stuff" that place is a powder keg waiting to go off.   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 24, 2020, 12:07:17 PM
Quote from: tryagain
, fully locked and loaded with their finger on the trigger ready to protect themselves from the masses of other locked and loaded people they think might be coming to either give them the virus or get "their stuff" that place is a powder keg waiting to go off.
Hadnt thought of that.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 24, 2020, 12:16:02 PM
Hadnt thought of that.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying)
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Post by: Bird on March 24, 2020, 12:40:38 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/16/us-sales-guns-ammunition-soar-amid-coronavirus-panic-buying)
as Aussies queue up for the dole....
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/0f0a54d89975e718f9c25e8c19aa28807b621c03/0_0_3000_1800/master/3000.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=cad57172b4866984c0e5f825309d6ec0)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on March 24, 2020, 12:55:54 PM

We are only a month behind Italy

As shown on the graph, we are 10 days behind Italy.... Lets see if our graph line has straight lined, or flattened out in 10 days.

If it straight lines, we will have approx 10,000 - 12000  cases by then.

If they keep going as tracking, the US will have a million cases by that time......
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 24, 2020, 01:14:09 PM
We are only at the beginning

Yep, this next week is going to be the make or break, comparing it to their 29/2 - 7/3 figures
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Post by: Bigfish on March 24, 2020, 01:19:23 PM
as Aussies queue up for the dole....
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/0f0a54d89975e718f9c25e8c19aa28807b621c03/0_0_3000_1800/master/3000.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=cad57172b4866984c0e5f825309d6ec0)


Maybe they think they can just shoot the virus if it sticks its head up....At least here we know throwing dunny rolls is the answer.. :cheers:
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Post by: Fizzie on March 24, 2020, 01:21:43 PM
At least here we know throwing dunny rolls is the answer.. :cheers:

I thought you were supposed to set fire to the date roll first, before throwing it ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: JusyApples on March 24, 2020, 02:21:32 PM
We are only at the beginning
Just remember Italy has an old population. Median age they are ranked 5th in the world. They also have 60mil people in a much smaller area. Also have to take into account their general health compared to Australians.


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 24, 2020, 02:24:08 PM
and remember Rodney Rude told us why Italy was shaped like a boot :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 24, 2020, 02:49:47 PM
So... is the virus changing....


'A pre-school aged child has tested positive to the virus,'
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 24, 2020, 03:09:38 PM
So... is the virus changing....


'A pre-school aged child has tested positive to the virus,'
Heard that on the radio on the way home, yep I got to quote on two jobs today, Happy Dance :)
Kids were still at risk.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 24, 2020, 04:23:17 PM
So... is the virus changing....


'A pre-school aged child has tested positive to the virus,'

There have been a couple of young kids, including an 8-month old baby, diagnosed with it previously :'(

Just because kids aren't very susceptible, doesn't mean they're immune.
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Post by: gronk on March 24, 2020, 04:38:50 PM
There have been a couple of young kids, including an 8-month old baby, diagnosed with it previously :'(

Just because kids aren't very susceptible, doesn't mean they're immune.

Yep, because most kids who get it don't show symptoms , they don't get tested.
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Post by: #jonesy on March 24, 2020, 04:54:43 PM
I now a lot of ads are organised and paid for well in advance, but maybe they need to rethink.

Funny listening to Qantas frequent flyer ad about using points to go overseas, or Webjet ads.  But just saw an ad for BCF about going camping?
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Post by: Hairs on March 24, 2020, 05:02:40 PM


just saw an ad for BCF about going camping?
Now there have dome pretty quirky ads,
Wouldn't you think they would of come up with something orginal.


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on March 24, 2020, 05:21:33 PM
Relevant article, topical quote 'we need to acknowledge that this pandemic is not a vacation'
https://theradavist.com/2020/03/this-pandemic-is-not-a-vacation/ (https://theradavist.com/2020/03/this-pandemic-is-not-a-vacation/)
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Post by: Pete79 on March 24, 2020, 05:22:10 PM
Now there have dome pretty quirky ads,
Wouldn't you think they would of come up with something orginal.
Should go in the rant thread, but I'm BCFing sick and tired of their relentless BCFing sales. Everything is BCFing on sale every BCFing week.
Nothing new or BCFing exciting, just the same BCFing Shite with another BCFing headline and another BCFing excuse to write BCFing on some thing.
I was BCFing over it a long time ago, about time they BCFing gave up on that BCFing marking line......
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: JusyApples on March 24, 2020, 06:58:36 PM
https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/the-maths-and-ethics-of-minimising-covid-19-deaths?fbclid=IwAR3UdpyG7U7XwXflPY9WEp2ZcZs5H_cpXK04j3ZotvdWHAdVe5XxUAzbeJk


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 24, 2020, 07:03:25 PM
I now a lot of ads are organised and paid for well in advance, but maybe they need to rethink.

Funny listening to Qantas frequent flyer ad about using points to go overseas, or Webjet ads.  But just saw an ad for BCF about going camping?

Going home from work, there was an ad on the local radio station for a well known cafe /eatery in town....spruiking about the price of schooners ?? lol
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Post by: rockrat on March 24, 2020, 07:25:48 PM
https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/the-maths-and-ethics-of-minimising-covid-19-deaths?fbclid=IwAR3UdpyG7U7XwXflPY9WEp2ZcZs5H_cpXK04j3ZotvdWHAdVe5XxUAzbeJk


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The article quotes a UK study saying the mortality rate for over 80's is 9.3%.  I read somewhere the other day that in France the normal/long term mortality rate is 5.9%.
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Post by: plusnq on March 24, 2020, 07:27:22 PM
https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/the-maths-and-ethics-of-minimising-covid-19-deaths?fbclid=IwAR3UdpyG7U7XwXflPY9WEp2ZcZs5H_cpXK04j3ZotvdWHAdVe5XxUAzbeJk


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Thank you. I read that earlier. It doesn't seem like eradication is on the table here in Australia.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 24, 2020, 07:50:35 PM
I now a lot of ads are organised and paid for well in advance, but maybe they need to rethink.

Funny listening to Qantas frequent flyer ad about using points to go overseas, or Webjet ads.  But just saw an ad for BCF about going camping?

Turned the TV on over the weekend & Getaway was on ... talking about cruises ::)
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Post by: tedota on March 24, 2020, 08:04:24 PM
Watched the same show about cruising Antarctica and at the end it had all prices current as at 20/3/2020?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: sharkcaver on March 24, 2020, 10:26:55 PM
Kennedy and Molloy national radio show, offering up a $1000 flight center voucher to the winners of one of their ring in comps. PMSL....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: nab on March 24, 2020, 10:56:55 PM
So far they are only testing people that have travelled overseas/certain countries/showing symptoms. Once the tests become available to the general public then the numbers of confirmed cases will go through the roof (even though though they were already there... geddit?) then watch people poop their pants!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: sharkcaver on March 24, 2020, 11:12:26 PM
So far they are only testing people that have travelled overseas/certain countries/showing symptoms. Once the tests become available to the general public then the numbers of confirmed cases will go through the roof (even though though they were already there... geddit?) then watch people poop their pants!

Agreed.

It's interesting to see the linear rise in all countries seem to be of a similar slope. A world of pain is coming our way me thinks.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 25, 2020, 07:05:17 AM
Agreed.

It's interesting to see the linear rise in all countries seem to be of a similar slope. A world of pain is coming our way me thinks.


And yet people will still not get it!!!

Looks like I,ll be watching reruns of your u-tube vids !!!
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Post by: Mace on March 25, 2020, 08:34:53 AM
Tasmania has just closed Caravan/Camping Parks to all but permanent residents.

"We do not want rural communities overrun with holidaying people over the Easter break...  Please stay at home."  Peter Gutwein, Premier.
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Post by: tryagain on March 25, 2020, 08:47:19 AM
So far they are only testing people that have travelled overseas/certain countries/showing symptoms. Once the tests become available to the general public then the numbers of confirmed cases will go through the roof (even though though they were already there... geddit?) then watch people poop their pants!

I can't find a link to it, but basically they said a few days ago that they were stopping testing those who have already got the virus to see when they are over it, but have started random testing at a number of GP clinics where everyone who presents with symptoms will be tested to give them an idea if there is much community transmission that the current testing is missing.

We currently have one of the highest testing rates in the world, about 10x that what the US is doing.
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Post by: Paddler Ed on March 25, 2020, 08:47:57 AM
Tasmania has just closed Caravan/Camping Parks to all but permanent residents.

"We do not want rural communities overrun with holidaying people over the Easter break...  Please stay at home."  Peter Gutwein, Premier.

Or, as my mate back in the UK said about everyone going to the hills the other weekend "Fcuk off you townie tw@ts"
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Post by: Bigfish on March 25, 2020, 08:58:47 AM
Tasmania has just closed Caravan/Camping Parks to all but permanent residents.

"We do not want rural communities overrun with holidaying people over the Easter break...  Please stay at home."  Peter Gutwein, Premier.

Still cannot understand why that is not happening here in Qld.  Surely a shared ablution block is asking for trouble.  Go home campers and caravanners.
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Post by: Rodt on March 25, 2020, 09:37:21 AM
Saw a Facebook post on this with something that I hadn't considered before. A number of people in vans etc have sold everything up and are on the road full-time. In their case they have no home and at some stage (even if self-contained) will need to either stop at a caravan park, shop at a local grocery store, fill up with water, empty toilet and grey water tank etc.

Not all caravanners and campers are ignoring the rules and we need to have empathy for each situation until we know what they are
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 09:47:29 AM
Quote from: Rodt
Saw a Facebook post on this with something that I hadn't considered before. A number of people in vans etc have sold everything up and are on the road full-time. In their case they have no home and at some stage (even if self-contained) will need to either stop at a caravan park, shop at a local grocery store, fill up with water, empty toilet and grey water tank etc.
agree - thats something I hadnt thought about.
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Post by: Mace on March 25, 2020, 10:33:44 AM
QUOTE:

GREY nomads planning to come to Tasmania by ship to set up in caravans and motorhomes at camping spots around the state have been told not to come.

TT-Line, which operates Tasmania’s two Bass Strait ferries, is contacting all non-Tasmanians who have booked to bring their caravan or motorhome on the Spirit of Tasmania vessels that they are not welcome right now.

Under border rules to try to stem Tasmania’s coronavirus infections, all non-essential travellers must enter 14 days of self-quarantine. The Government said self-quarantine was not permitted in caravans and motorhomes.

“The message is clear — if you are not a Tasmanian resident returning home or an essential traveller, do not get on the Spirit with your caravan or motorhome as you will not be able to self-isolate in it,” Infrastructure Minister Michael Ferguson said.

Anyone whose booking has been cancelled as a result of these important restrictions will receive a full refund and should call TT-Line on 1800 634 906.

Tasmanians returning home to the state, regardless of whether it is by air or sea, must adhere to the 14-day self-quarantine instructions currently in place.

“It is absolutely vital everyone plays their part to reduce the spread of COVID-19 to save lives,” Mr Ferguson said.
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 10:46:11 AM
It's up to you: data shows corona virus can only be controlled if eight out of 10 Aussies stay home

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/coronavirus-covid-19-modelling-stay-home-chart/12084144 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/coronavirus-covid-19-modelling-stay-home-chart/12084144)
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Post by: wakychapmans on March 25, 2020, 10:51:46 AM
Saw a Facebook post on this with something that I hadn't considered before. A number of people in vans etc have sold everything up and are on the road full-time. In their case they have no home and at some stage (even if self-contained) will need to either stop at a caravan park, shop at a local grocery store, fill up with water, empty toilet and grey water tank etc.

Not all caravanners and campers are ignoring the rules and we need to have empathy for each situation until we know what they are

I was reading a similar post... with a different twist.

a couple were planning to hunker down in their van, at a van park they were in. (they live in their van on the road... no home address to go back to0

the park caretaker came up and asked them if they were self contained... ie: with an internal shower and toilet. They have an older/smaller van, so no.

they were told they would have to leave inside 48 hours as the park would be closed to non-self-contained vans.

basically the park was closing the shower/toilet block.
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Post by: wakychapmans on March 25, 2020, 10:58:08 AM
It's up to you: data shows corona virus can only be controlled if eight out of 10 Aussies stay home

so my wife is a pre-school teacher... in NSW.

schools here are not officially "closed". Everyone is requested to keep their kids at home if they can. But to send them to school if they are working in essential services (nurses, doctors, truck drivers etc)

My wifes centre would normally have between 30-45 kids on average. Yesterday they had SEVEN.

Pretty good huh.

Not so much. Of those seven, only one had parents that was what you would consider "essential". (mum is a nurse, dad a truckie)

the other six... all stay at home mums.
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Post by: Robbo on March 25, 2020, 11:03:05 AM
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: jclures on March 25, 2020, 11:04:46 AM
so my wife is a pre-school teacher... in NSW.

schools here are not officially "closed". Everyone is requested to keep their kids at home if they can. But to send them to school if they are working in essential services (nurses, doctors, truck drivers etc)

My wifes centre would normally have between 30-45 kids on average. Yesterday they had SEVEN.

Pretty good huh.

Not so much. Of those seven, only one had parents that was what you would consider "essential". (mum is a nurse, dad a truckie)

the other six... all stay at home mums.
They need their "Me" time, don't you know. ???
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 11:19:19 AM
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yea that looks good to me Robbo!
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Post by: Paddler Ed on March 25, 2020, 11:31:24 AM
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yea that looks good to me Robbo!

Whilst it may look good, I hope you are able to do it in your back yard in Melbourne or the GC - as can be seen by Tasmania's stance, and other places globally, heading bush is NOT social isolation.

In the UK this has been a problem, with everyone flocking to the hills and the coast for their isolation; in Australia Bondi Beach got swamped.

Regions do NOT have the facilities to care for you or those that you might infect on the way; the cost of evacuation to the major cities will be carried by the RFDS etc, who are already under-resourced for providing their essential services to the regional communities that they would normally serve.

Australia got the message during the fires of not going somewhere that was dangerous; why the hell can't they get it now?!
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Post by: D4D on March 25, 2020, 11:53:17 AM
Saw a Facebook post on this with something that I hadn't considered before. A number of people in vans etc have sold everything up and are on the road full-time. In their case they have no home and at some stage (even if self-contained) will need to either stop at a caravan park, shop at a local grocery store, fill up with water, empty toilet and grey water tank etc.

Not all caravanners and campers are ignoring the rules and we need to have empathy for each situation until we know what they are

This was in an email from Big4 this morning.

It is our understanding that ‘essential travel’ includes travel that is related to:
•   necessary activities for work purposes,
•   essential accommodation while stopping at one location during a current road trip,
•   travel on compassionate grounds and
•   travel required to return to your place of residence.

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Post by: Kangaron on March 25, 2020, 12:02:42 PM
India acted swiftly a month ago, closed borders, flights, non essential travel and businesses closed.
Yesterday they evoked a 21 day lockdown [no one leaves home]
The figures below are up to date as of 0600 25/3
Not bad for a population of over a billion, with poor health services, housing etc.

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Post by: edz on March 25, 2020, 12:16:55 PM
https://www.facebook.com/abcwimmera/photos/a.119616014725077/3095758077110841/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/abcwimmera/photos/a.119616014725077/3095758077110841/?type=3&theater)  Some Caravan parks are offering refuge to full time and stranded travelers with strict conditions ..
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Post by: Bigfish on March 25, 2020, 12:17:45 PM
India acted swiftly a month ago, closed borders, flights, non essential travel and businesses closed.
Yesterday they evoked a 21 day lockdown [no one leaves home]
The figures below are up to date as of 0600 25/3
Not bad for a population of over a billion, with poor health services, housing etc.


They probably dont have the   "F you Jack...I,m alright"  attitude either..
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Post by: Fizzie on March 25, 2020, 12:26:09 PM
the other six... all stay at home mums.

But I've got to meet Jane for morning coffee, then lunch at Mary-Jo's, Thursday morning is meet the girls at the shops to check clothes ... ::) :'( >:(

But swapping this around a bit, we've been wondering about "30% of health workers will have to stay home if schools shut" ??? Just looking at the school age kids in our street, 30% of their parents are definitely not health workers!

Reckon it's probably stat's coming directly from the Minister, who's looked at his kids class at his $50000 pa private school - yes, well his dad's a surgeon, her's is a dentist, his is a specialist, those two are both doctors ... ::)
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 12:45:25 PM
yea that looks good to me Robbo!


Whilst it may look good, I hope you are able to do it in your back yard in Melbourne or the GC - as can be seen by Tasmania's stance, and other places globally, heading bush is NOT social isolation.

In the UK this has been a problem, with everyone flocking to the hills and the coast for their isolation; in Australia Bondi Beach got swamped.

Regions do NOT have the facilities to care for you or those that you might infect on the way; the cost of evacuation to the major cities will be carried by the RFDS etc, who are already under-resourced for providing their essential services to the regional communities that they would normally serve.

Australia got the message during the fires of not going somewhere that was dangerous; why the hell can't they get it now?!
Yep. that still looks good to me Robbo!
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Post by: rockrat on March 25, 2020, 12:47:50 PM
It will be interesting to see how things go in NZ as they go into Level4 lockdown for at least 4 weeks. We seem to be about a week behind in our response.

You would think that in a 4 week period, IF everyone does the right thing, they might  pretty much eradicate it completely.

If not, go one step further and go into total lockdown. Create zones around supermarkets, schools, etc and no-one leaves that zone unless absolutely essential for work (and this means critical health professionals only) and only then on special busses or ambulances. And when they return home they are confined to their house and monitored. All supermarket workers, teachers etc must live in the zone the supermarket or school is in.

Maybe the government should treat it as though it is as contagious as measles and as deadly as Ebola. If that were the case, most of us would be either dead in a month or we would eradicate it and life would start to get back to normal (albeit there would need to be zero arrivals and departures from the country)


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Post by: edz on March 25, 2020, 12:47:54 PM
With any country with a populations close too or  equaly that big as India's and minimal to no modern health care in large regions / still living mostly tradtional ways, I'd be a bit dubious as to the accuracy of some of these low  figures being put up .
Just my uneducated non expert opinion of course ..
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Post by: sharkcaver on March 25, 2020, 12:59:07 PM

And yet people will still not get it!!!

Looks like I,ll be watching reruns of your u-tube vids !!!

Getting corona virus will be less painfull  :cheers:

I was planning a desert trip early April (before Easter). I guess that's off the table now, even though I will have no interaction with anyone out there whatsoever. The only interaction with others would be 2 x fuel stops. That said, with the stripping of the shelves currently in play, I don't think I could get the food to support a 7 day trip away anyway. It's bedlam out there. I just got my first lot of dunny paper in 4 weeks today. Supplies are critical here at home and I haven't been able to get any during this period until today.

They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?
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Post by: tryagain on March 25, 2020, 01:33:07 PM
so my wife is a pre-school teacher... in NSW.

schools here are not officially "closed". Everyone is requested to keep their kids at home if they can. But to send them to school if they are working in essential services (nurses, doctors, truck drivers etc)

My wifes centre would normally have between 30-45 kids on average. Yesterday they had SEVEN.

Pretty good huh.

Not so much. Of those seven, only one had parents that was what you would consider "essential". (mum is a nurse, dad a truckie)

the other six... all stay at home mums.

Flip side of this is that a majority of childcare workers are about to be stood down, a council run centre might try and pay their staff a bit longer, but at the end of the day they don't have a bottomless bucket of money like the feds do. No kids, no fees, no income for the centre, where are business/council supposed to get the money to pay the staff from? Long story short, they won't accept from maybe a skeleton staff for the kids who are still there.
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Post by: plusnq on March 25, 2020, 02:05:52 PM
Getting corona virus will be less painfull  :cheers:

I was planning a desert trip early April (before Easter). I guess that's off the table now, even though I will have no interaction with anyone out there whatsoever. The only interaction with others would be 2 x fuel stops. That said, with the stripping of the shelves currently in play, I don't think I could get the food to support a 7 day trip away anyway. It's bedlam out there. I just got my first lot of dunny paper in 4 weeks today. Supplies are critical here at home and I haven't been able to get any during this period until today.

They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?

Same over here in Brisbane.
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 02:17:20 PM
Same over here in Brisbane.
They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?


Same in Melbourne.
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Post by: Bigpickle on March 25, 2020, 02:55:53 PM
They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?


Same in Melbourne.
There are 807 Coles, 995 Woolworths, 500+ Aldi and more than 1600 IGA Supermarkets in Australia. That is 3900 supermarkets plus the smaller supermarkets in country town.

How many trucks do you think are engaged in deliveries every night?

It is just not possible to fill every shelf in every supermarket every night after the panic merchants have stripped them bare.

Stupidity is the one commodity we are not short of in Australia atm
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Post by: bmwfreak on March 25, 2020, 02:57:49 PM
They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?


Same in Melbourne.

What makes anyone think that the people who started the hoarding trend have changed their spots. Just because they have got 250 days of item X, it does not mean that having 280 days of item X isn’t a good idea. The hoarders are still hoarding, which means that unless you are in the supermarket on the right day, at the right time, the shelves will continue to be empty.
With stores introducing limits on quantities of items, the hoarders are now going in singly so a family of 5 can still buy 10 of something that is limited to 2 per shopper.
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Post by: Robbo on March 25, 2020, 03:07:31 PM
Yep. that still looks good to me Robbo!
Cheers Bruce. At least it will be something to look foward to when this problem is over.

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Post by: Fizzie on March 25, 2020, 03:17:03 PM
but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?

We went in to Aldi this morning for our normal fortnightly shop. Got there 10 minutes after opening time & the place was already the busiest we've ever seen that particular shop :'(

People certainly seemed a bit on edge, but there was no visible panic happening.

& they had Date Roll!!! ;D ;D ;D

4-packs only, instead of their usual bigger packs, with two pallets half full. We got one, & saw a few others with one or two, but no trolleys full :cup:

& bugger! >:(, this means that all these people have found out about Aldi, so there goes our nice quiet shop that we usually share with a dozen other people :'(
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Post by: Kangaron on March 25, 2020, 03:24:02 PM
There 995 Woolworths,  in Australia.

How many trucks do you think are engaged in deliveries every night?


WW have their own fleet, prime movers and many more trailers, refrigerated and not, plus they outsource non refrigerated to Linfox and a few others.
EVERY Store gets a delivery of Produce and fast moving grocery items every night, 365 days a year.
Stores place orders everyday.
The stuff is just selling too fast for the logistics to keep pace.
If everyone returned to shopping for what they NEED, things would be back to normal within a few day.
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 03:54:35 PM
There have been more coronavirus cases in victoria among 25-29 year-olds than any other age group, health department data shows.

Health Minister says one of the people in ICU is aged in their 30s, emphasizing the disease can strike the young as well.
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Post by: tryagain on March 25, 2020, 05:02:46 PM
There have been more coronavirus cases in victoria among 25-29 year-olds than any other age group, health department data shows.

A cavilier attitude, having said that, it's actually what the country needs to keep the death toll down. Young healthy people getting it to build up the herd immunity as apposed to the old who have a much higher mortality rate.
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Post by: plusnq on March 25, 2020, 05:29:36 PM
WW have their own fleet, prime movers and many more trailers, refrigerated and not, plus they outsource non refrigerated to Linfox and a few others.
EVERY Store gets a delivery of Produce and fast moving grocery items every night, 365 days a year.
Stores place orders everyday.
The stuff is just selling too fast for the logistics to keep pace.
If everyone returned to shopping for what they NEED, things would be back to normal within a few day.

The problem is that the longer the shelves remain bare, the less people will believe that. Simply the JIT system was too finely tuned to cope with people needing to stock up with food for a possible 14 day plus lock in. Due to the dribble of information the public receive plus all the high handed warnings, it is hard to blame the public for looking after themselves and their family. Our JIT world-wide economy has proven to be extremely fragile to a large external shock such as the COVID-19. I foresee big changes happening once the crisis is over.
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Post by: Bird on March 25, 2020, 05:36:47 PM
new zealanders have to get to their place of residence tonight ... that is the house you must stay in for the next 4 weeks. no moving around or ****ing about

Thats our next step.... so leave the missus at home and get to ya girlfriends place quick!!!!!
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Post by: gronk on March 25, 2020, 05:39:31 PM
I foresee big changes happening once the crisis is over.

Just like the bushfires.....I see NO changes happening.  The pollies will say, thank christ that is over....we won't see that happening again, and life will go back to "normal".

But, "normal" won't be the same as a month ago, that may take a few years !
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Post by: Hairs on March 25, 2020, 05:47:12 PM
Just like the bushfires.....I see NO changes happening.  The pollies will say, thank christ that is over....we won't see that happening again, and life will go back to "normal".

But, "normal" won't be the same as a month ago, that may take a few years !
Got to agree Greg.
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Post by: D4D on March 25, 2020, 05:50:07 PM
Just like the bushfires.....I see NO changes happening.  The pollies will say, thank christ that is over....we won't see that happening again, and life will go back to "normal".

But, "normal" won't be the same as a month ago, that may take a few years !

I actually see that shareholders will require companies to diversify as well as optimise their supply chains, we'll move to a 'diversified just in time' system rather than only just in time.
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Post by: plusnq on March 25, 2020, 05:52:29 PM
Just like the bushfires.....I see NO changes happening.  The pollies will say, thank christ that is over....we won't see that happening again, and life will go back to "normal".

But, "normal" won't be the same as a month ago, that may take a few years !

I didn’t say the government would be making changes. My feelings are that people have seen how vulnerable the system is and will make changes to protect themselves.
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Post by: plusnq on March 25, 2020, 05:53:49 PM
I actually see that shareholders will require companies to diversify as well as optimise their supply chains, we'll move to a 'diversified just in time' system rather than only just in time.

I agree. Some of this was already happening in the US due to the trade war.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 25, 2020, 07:58:57 PM
I actually see that shareholders will require companies to diversify

& (hopefully) start to not depend on one customer ???

Story on the local news tonight that an up-market chocolate maker here on the GC has hit the wall hard, because they only made fancy chocolates to put on beds in the 4* hotels - no tourists = no hotel bookings = no choccies = no $, all in the space of 3 days! :o
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Post by: Brij on March 26, 2020, 05:28:05 AM
It's up to you: data shows corona virus can only be controlled if eight out of 10 Aussies stay home

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/coronavirus-covid-19-modelling-stay-home-chart/12084144 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-25/coronavirus-covid-19-modelling-stay-home-chart/12084144)

I wander how they determine "controlled" verses "uncontrolled"?
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Post by: D4D on March 26, 2020, 06:04:21 AM
Some good news if you're a Foxtel customer
https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/foxtel-to-open-up-entire-content-library-to-all-users-during-covid19-crisis/news-story/cfb4a4f06aaccf32b9624dac74382fad (https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/foxtel-to-open-up-entire-content-library-to-all-users-during-covid19-crisis/news-story/cfb4a4f06aaccf32b9624dac74382fad)
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Post by: plusnq on March 26, 2020, 07:09:42 AM
I wander how they determine "controlled" verses "uncontrolled"?

R0<=1
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Post by: Bigfish on March 26, 2020, 07:24:54 AM
Got to agree Greg.

More bloody Royal Commissions....
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Post by: macca on March 26, 2020, 07:54:22 AM
The reason you are not seeing full restocking of the shelves is because they have now introduced a time limit for the semi to  sit at the loading dock, the store orders are placed in a staging bay and when the truck arrives they start loading when time is up they shut the doors and the truck leaves with what ever they can get in. The reason is to try to get some stock to every store.  I have seen the stock of toilet paper in one warehouse and I'm not to worried about not be able to get it, just have to hunt around a bit, I guess when people are too stupid to control themselves someone has to do it for them

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Post by: Hairs on March 26, 2020, 07:56:52 AM
Watch the news this morning,
Reporters at the QLD/NSW boarder, a ute with 3 tradies crammed in the front seat.
The reporter within 1.5M of the driver, the copper was well back.  :police:
The tradies were laughing about how they were going to be late, but still get paid.  ???
There ya go,
That is why this virus is spreading, that is the definition of a dickhead.
 >:D >:D  >:D
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Post by: Pete79 on March 26, 2020, 08:04:01 AM
And what if those 3 tradies live together as well?

Me and 3 other mates lived in the same house and worked in the same workshop on the Goldie for a year or so.
There was 3 tradies crammed in the front of a commodore ute every morning.... ;)
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Post by: Hairs on March 26, 2020, 08:19:00 AM
And what if those 3 tradies live together as well?

Me and 3 other mates lived in the same house and worked in the same workshop on the Goldie for a year or so.
There was 3 tradies crammed in the front of a commodore ute every morning.... ;)
Pete,
It was a laugh to them, they really don't give a toss.
But what about the reporter?
Copper was doing the right thing, but reporter moves in close to stick the mic into the drivers face?
What the image does, is give the impression of, business as usual.


A message when out yesterday arvo in our local FB group regarding the Lawrence Ferry.
Asking motorists to have their windows up while on the ferry, not just for the safety of the operators, but for the motorists and their passengers.
The backlash that caused, one comment.
' What's wrong with ya's, scared of getting a cold"?
This is why this is spreading.

Did I hear right, 200 vic coppers have been pulled from service because they may have come in contact with someone who tested positive?
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Post by: Bigfish on March 26, 2020, 08:20:38 AM
And what if those 3 tradies live together as well?

Me and 3 other mates lived in the same house and worked in the same workshop on the Goldie for a year or so.
There was 3 tradies crammed in the front of a commodore ute every morning.... ;)

Maybe so...but highly unlikely..Also means that if 1 gets it then 3 automatically get the virus as well.
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Post by: Pete79 on March 26, 2020, 08:20:59 AM
Pete,
It was a laugh to them, they really don't give a toss.
But what about the reporter?
Copper was doing the right thing, but reporter moves in close to stick the mic into the drivers face?
What the image does, is give the impression of, business as usual.
Ahh, I see. Completely misread that one. :)
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Post by: Fizzie on March 26, 2020, 09:25:13 AM

Did I hear right, 200 vic coppers have been pulled from service because they may have come in contact with someone who tested positive?

Saw that headline, but no details ???
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Post by: Rowlie on March 26, 2020, 09:30:06 AM




Did I hear right, 200 vic coppers have been pulled from service because they may have come in contact with someone who tested positive?

I actually know Vic coppers who are in isolation. They had been overseas and had to go into lockdown. No different to others in the community. Report on the radio an hour or so ago also said others have come into contact through their day to day activities and no doubt some just have a runny nose and aren't welcome in the station. Not sure how many coppers there are in Vic but 200 is probably a very small percentage.
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Post by: Bird on March 26, 2020, 09:34:01 AM
Why is it spreading?
The Rich think rules dont apply to them.



Quote
A Melbourne couple infected with COVID-19 while on a skiing holiday in the United States have been the subject of repeated police complaints after they allegedly flouted advice to self-isolate and visited shops and a golf course on the Mornington Peninsula instead.

A wealthy finance industry figure and his partner were two of about a dozen Australians believed to have contracted the coronavirus after attending a social function in the exclusive alpine resort of Aspen, Colorado, earlier this month.

The Age and Sydney Morning Herald have been told by multiple sources that at least two other Australians who attended the event refused to be tested in Aspen because they were reluctant to interrupt their ski trips.



https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/wealthy-couple-return-from-skiing-with-coronavirus-then-do-not-self-isolate-20200325-p54du5.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/victoria/wealthy-couple-return-from-skiing-with-coronavirus-then-do-not-self-isolate-20200325-p54du5.html)
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Post by: plusnq on March 26, 2020, 10:01:35 AM
Why is it spreading?
The Rich think rules dont apply to them.

Arrest them
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Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 26, 2020, 10:04:39 AM
Working on a building site at the moment is not fun, especially when you are in charge of Health and Safety. We have up to 80 guys on site a day and keeping them apart is a pain, i find its the younger ones that do not respect the separation between people. I go home each night to a family that is in isolation and shower straight away, feels as though I am leading two lives at the moment.

GG
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Post by: Hairs on March 26, 2020, 10:04:42 AM
Saw that headline, but no details ???
Yeah, wasn't real informative.Hmmm.
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Post by: Hairs on March 26, 2020, 10:07:03 AM
I actually know Vic coppers who are in isolation. They had been overseas and had to go into lockdown. No different to others in the community. Report on the radio an hour or so ago also said others have come into contact through their day to day activities and no doubt some just have a runny nose and aren't welcome in the station. Not sure how many coppers there are in Vic but 200 is probably a very small percentage.
Yeah, 200 doesn't sound like many in the scheme of things, altho if the spread isn't pulled up, that will grow.
 :(
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Post by: SJindustries on March 26, 2020, 10:08:20 AM
Working on a building site at the moment is not fun, especially when you are in charge of Health and Safety. We have up to 80 guys on site a day and keeping them apart is a pain, i find its the younger ones that do not respect the separation between people. I go home each night to a family that is in isolation and shower straight away, feels as though I am leading two lives at the moment.

GG
It won't be long before the site's shut down if people don't follow simple instructions.

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Post by: Mace on March 26, 2020, 10:08:38 AM
Why is it spreading?
The Rich think rules dont apply to them.

As reported a week or so ago in the Fin Review, Andrew Abercrombie and his partner were the couple in Aspen.  Past Treasurer of the Victorian Liberal Party.....
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Post by: #jonesy on March 26, 2020, 10:34:04 AM
Yeah, 200 doesn't sound like many in the scheme of things, altho if the spread isn't pulled up, that will grow.
 :(
14,000 roughly, about 15% on leave at any time and quite a large number on sick leave WorkCover etc, leaves about 10,000. So 200 is a fair chunk.
The equivalent of a few outer Metro police stations.
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Post by: Hairs on March 26, 2020, 11:06:07 AM
14,000 roughly, about 15% on leave at any time and quite a large number on sick leave WorkCover etc, leaves about 10,000. So 200 is a fair chunk.
The equivalent of a few outer Metro police stations.
Cheers jonesy
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Post by: Spada on March 26, 2020, 11:27:51 AM
just announced in Qld, schools to be "student free" from Monday, although it seems essential workers can still send the kids to school, and it appears "essential workers" means anyone with a job? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568)
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Post by: Bird on March 26, 2020, 11:37:44 AM
Quote from: Spada
just announced in Qld, schools to be "student free" from Monday, although it seems essential workers can still send the kids to school, and it appears "essential workers" means anyone with a job? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568)

it gets more confusing by the day doesnt it.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 26, 2020, 11:48:03 AM
just announced in Qld, schools to be "student free" from Monday, although it seems essential workers can still send the kids to school, and it appears "essential workers" means anyone with a job? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568)

& I can just tell how thrilled the kids will be to get told Sorry, I've got to work, so you're going into "care" at school over the "school holidays" >:D
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Post by: Fizzie on March 26, 2020, 11:49:26 AM
Arrest them

Yep, they should be arrested & isolated for 2 weeks by being locked up somewhere. If that's a motel room, rather than a cell, then fine >:(
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Post by: plusnq on March 26, 2020, 12:45:53 PM
Yep, they should be arrested & isolated for 2 weeks by being locked up somewhere. If that's a motel room, rather than a cell, then fine >:(

2 star only though
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Post by: Bird on March 26, 2020, 12:47:05 PM
Quote from: Fizzie
If that's a motel room, rather than a cell, then fine >:(
I'm not.. should be made an example of...  Rich spoilt ****wits.
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Post by: D4D on March 26, 2020, 12:56:22 PM
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/chinese-company-shipped-out-millions-of-australias-masks-hand-sanitiser-glove-supplies/news-story/d5324e3676d38af509d5ac25c56e7cec (https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/chinese-company-shipped-out-millions-of-australias-masks-hand-sanitiser-glove-supplies/news-story/d5324e3676d38af509d5ac25c56e7cec)
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Post by: Bird on March 26, 2020, 12:58:25 PM
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/chinese-company-shipped-out-millions-of-australias-masks-hand-sanitiser-glove-supplies/news-story/d5324e3676d38af509d5ac25c56e7cec (https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/chinese-company-shipped-out-millions-of-australias-masks-hand-sanitiser-glove-supplies/news-story/d5324e3676d38af509d5ac25c56e7cec)
Gee I am shocked... There was an article weeks ago some bloke at the airport had photos of all sorts of Shit being flown out of AU :(
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Post by: CTL on March 26, 2020, 01:55:40 PM
https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/chinese-company-shipped-out-millions-of-australias-masks-hand-sanitiser-glove-supplies/news-story/d5324e3676d38af509d5ac25c56e7cec (https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/chinese-company-shipped-out-millions-of-australias-masks-hand-sanitiser-glove-supplies/news-story/d5324e3676d38af509d5ac25c56e7cec)

Imagine Aussie workers being told to do the same in an overseas country?  “Yeah, but I want overtime to do that” or maybe “nah, f**k that, not in my job description”
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Post by: Bird on March 26, 2020, 02:45:19 PM
Just talking to our people at our global head office - South Africa in lock down and India are in 21 day lock down

Its coming Folks.
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Post by: edz on March 26, 2020, 02:52:38 PM
Gee I am shocked... There was an article weeks ago some bloke at the airport had photos of all sorts of Shit being flown out of AU :(
Yeah, fancy that, comes as a real surprise,  not ..  Customs allowing it to be shipped and not asking questions in the current climate .. Someone must have doctored the paperwork or been paid well Huh .. My opinion of course ..

^^ Africa ..India ....Just like an Avalanche  of Shit it just keeps coming .... Birdman .
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Post by: banksy69 on March 26, 2020, 02:59:12 PM
Just a heads up to the Queenslanders, i have just gone into vote as I didn't want to stand in line on Saturday with thousands of people.
No hand sanitizer at the door and everyone is using the same pencil.
 ???
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Post by: Bigfish on March 26, 2020, 03:51:22 PM
Just a heads up to the Queenslanders, i have just gone into vote as I didn't want to stand in line on Saturday with thousands of people.
No hand sanitizer at the door and everyone is using the same pencil.
 ???

Yet the advert on tv said hand sanitizer would be on hand at station.  It did say to take own pencil though.

Once again we are seeing information that is wrong, complete bullShit, hypocritical and given out by govts that seem to be making rules/laws up on the run...30 minute haircut anyone?  Its ok,   its an essential service..FFS!!   HANGON ...WHATS AN ESSENTIAL SERICE Scotty from Advertising?...ANYONE WHO DRIVES TO WORK!!!    Unbelievable..
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Post by: tryagain on March 26, 2020, 04:23:50 PM
Yet the advert on tv said hand sanitizer would be on hand at station.  It did say to take own pencil though.

Once again we are seeing information that is wrong, complete bullShit, hypocritical and given out by govts that seem to be making rules/laws up on the run...30 minute haircut anyone?  Its ok,   its an essential service..FFS!!   HANGON ...WHATS AN ESSENTIAL SERICE Scotty from Advertising?...ANYONE WHO DRIVES TO WORK!!!    Unbelievable..

Don't get your knickers in a knot, Essential is a relative term, and it's Scotty from marketing  ;D
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Post by: Pete79 on March 26, 2020, 04:24:48 PM
Just a heads up to the Queenslanders, i have just gone into vote as I didn't want to stand in line on Saturday with thousands of people.
No hand sanitizer at the door and everyone is using the same pencil.
 ???
Going to be different at each booth I'm sure.
I voted yesterday and got pumped with hand sanitizer twice.

Only 2 people allowed inside the room at a time (1 person registering at the counter and 1 person voting in the booth).
Everyone else spaced more then 1m apart on the foot path starting from the marker that was 2m from the doorway.
The hand sanitizer nazi was strictly enforcing the 1m gap between people in the que. I almost felt like a naughty kid as I whispered to the guy in line behind me....

I commented that is was going to be a big day on polling day if they only let 1 person in at a time.
The hand sanitizer nazi didn't think that was very funny..... >:(
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Post by: Bird on March 26, 2020, 04:30:53 PM
Quote from: tryagain
Essential is a relative term,
We've just been discussing it here at work.... every job seems essential still...
If Victoria go into full lockdown, we still come to work...
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Post by: Spada on March 26, 2020, 04:59:04 PM
just announced in Qld, schools to be "student free" from Monday, although it seems essential workers can still send the kids to school, and it appears "essential workers" means anyone with a job? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-26/coronavirus-queensland-schools-to-be-student-free/12086568)

Just got an email from the school, no formal classes from Monday. Any kid that turns up next week will herded into the school hall first, then broken into activity groups for the day. All kids are to clean out their lockers tomorrow in case they don't go back after the Easter holidays, and all "lessons" for the next week will be activities emailed to the kids to do online.
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Post by: Steffo1 on March 26, 2020, 05:40:02 PM
Yet the advert on tv said hand sanitizer would be on hand at station.  It did say to take own pencil though.

Once again we are seeing information that is wrong, complete bullShit, hypocritical and given out by govts that seem to be making rules/laws up on the run...30 minute haircut anyone?  Its ok,   its an essential service..FFS!!   HANGON ...WHATS AN ESSENTIAL SERICE Scotty from Advertising?...ANYONE WHO DRIVES TO WORK!!!    Unbelievable..

He's right!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: McGirr on March 26, 2020, 06:18:20 PM
Well as of 11.59pm tonight, we are in complete lockdown in the community.

We cannot leave and if we do we would need to self isolate for 14 days.

This includes everyone in the community.

What a bummer.....

Mark (now isolated)
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Post by: jk on March 26, 2020, 06:39:20 PM
Hope your well stocked up mate  :cheers:
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Post by: edz on March 26, 2020, 10:43:54 PM
Sounds a bit too familiar to me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdgVHRBxKSk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdgVHRBxKSk)  .From the series " My Secret Terrius " .
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Post by: bkim on March 27, 2020, 01:14:36 AM
Just a heads up to the Queenslanders, i have just gone into vote as I didn't want to stand in line on Saturday with thousands of people.
No hand sanitizer at the door and everyone is using the same pencil.
 ???

When I voted in Townsville Thursday morning, they had 4 lines (very large building internally) approaching the registration desks to collect your voting papers, (eight desks, 2 for each line, all with over 2 m separation), they had over 2m separation in all directions between the voters in the lines (lines on the floor with directions prominently displayed) and the same at the voting booths and the ballot boxes, everybody was handed their own pencil when in the line, by a person wearing gloves and a mask, all pencils were put in a container when you exited.  Two staff were then wiping down all the pencils with sanitiser and bleach.

Once you were checked off on the electoral roll, both voting slips were printed out from printers on the desks, one printer for each registration point, you then picked up the voting papers yourself, the voting papers coming out of the printer vertically so didn't touch any equipment, so no physical contact between you and any staff in the building.

I felt that all the required precautions were being observed when I was there, so I was reasonably satisfied with the safety aspects
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Post by: Spada on March 27, 2020, 07:03:51 AM
When I voted in Townsville Thursday morning.........

.........I felt that all the required precautions were being observed when I was there, so I was reasonably satisfied with the safety aspects

Fair enough too I believe.

There has been a lot of carry on about the election still going ahead, and I suppose ideally it should have been put of for another 6 months (not sure how that fits with the legislation though). Personally, I recon the polling booths with their controlled ingress/egress and controlled people movements inside, and regular cleaning happening would make the polling booths a reasonably safe place to be, compared to the random and haphazard mingling of people and uncontrolled touching of everything that people seem happy to accept in Woolworths or Coles? How often are the basket and trolley handles being cleaned? and how many people have touched that packet on the shelf before you pick it up? Or what about the handle on the petrol bowser? have you used an elevator, or a pedestrian crossing button? did you sit on that bus/train seat, or stand and hold the handle? did you push the button to open the door on the train? was the toilet seat at work sanitised after every use? did you instinctively hold the rail on the public stairs or escalator? Did you open any doors at the shops or public places? have you used the pinpad on an eftpos or ATM?

Just sayin, when it comes to the spread of this virus there are far more dangerous places we all encounter every day than the polling booths will be, yet a section of public opinion seems to be fixated on the dangers of gathering to vote?
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Post by: D4D on March 27, 2020, 07:15:32 AM
Just sayin, when it comes to the spread of this virus there are far more dangerous places we all encounter every day than the polling booths will be, yet a section of public opinion seems to be fixated on the dangers of gathering to vote?

In reality your phone probably has more germs than the polling booth...
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Post by: Bigfish on March 27, 2020, 07:18:19 AM
In reality your phone probably has more germs than the polling booth...

The mobile phone is one of the filthiest things your hands will ever touch.
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Post by: SJindustries on March 27, 2020, 07:21:46 AM
The mobile phone is one of the filthiest things your hands will ever touch.
Definitely. Especially from some of the groups I’m in  >:D
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Post by: Spada on March 27, 2020, 07:54:01 AM
This site might be interesting to watch, hopefully they'll debunk a lot of the mis-information that is being spread on social (and even mainstream) media? - https://www.abc.net.au/news/factcheck/ (https://www.abc.net.au/news/factcheck/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 27, 2020, 08:54:52 AM
Well as of 11.59pm tonight, we are in complete lockdown in the community.

We cannot leave and if we do we would need to self isolate for 14 days.

This includes everyone in the community.

What a bummer.....

Mark (now isolated)

So how's that going to work, Mark ???

Are you supposed to go around to every house & deliver food, somebody comes to the store to collect, or, once again, will they start thinking about those fine details sometime over the next few days ??? ::)
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Post by: Hairs on March 27, 2020, 10:27:13 AM
So true(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200327/9fd734e3ccebacf4c9e4c5eb11708547.jpg)
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Post by: Fizzie on March 27, 2020, 12:40:44 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-27/coronavirus-covid19-cases-victoria-community-transmission-rises/12095892 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-27/coronavirus-covid19-cases-victoria-community-transmission-rises/12095892)

FFS, just stay home! >:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 27, 2020, 12:53:11 PM
Premier Daniel Andrews not expected to announce further restrictions today

While Daniel Andrews is widely expected to introduce 'stage three' restrictions, his office has made clear that his 3pm press conference will be an update only, with no major announcements, and he will not announce further restrictions today.
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Post by: rockrat on March 27, 2020, 01:04:55 PM
I wonder how long it will be before the big law firms start class actions against the operators of the Ruby Princess and the NSW government. It is pretty clear they both failed in their duty of care to every single person in Australia.


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 27, 2020, 01:26:51 PM
PM live
https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/210759726857043/ (https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/210759726857043/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 27, 2020, 01:47:47 PM
A good article not trying to sensationalise everything. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-less-deaths-hospitalisations-in-first-1000-cases/news-story/20d92384fdcb1bdcd8ddeaf3630d1030#share-and-comment-and-comment (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-australia-less-deaths-hospitalisations-in-first-1000-cases/news-story/20d92384fdcb1bdcd8ddeaf3630d1030#share-and-comment-and-comment)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: hardroad on March 27, 2020, 02:34:43 PM
You can not get infected from someone until 24 hours before they show symptoms. This is the Dutton law.
You can not get infected by rubbing your hands through someones hair, unless its for more than 30 minutes.
You cant infect someone after you get off a flight while traveling to your house. However you can infect someone once you get to your house and up to 14 days later.
Children can not get infected while at school.
You can't get infected if you vote for the tools who make rules
Wait. You cant get infected by rubbing your hands through someones hair for any amount of time.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 27, 2020, 02:54:52 PM
PM live
https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/210759726857043/ (https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/210759726857043/)

Andrews Live (Vic)
https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/603471673716321/ (https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/603471673716321/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 27, 2020, 04:48:57 PM
Western Australian Premier has announced that:
"We've made the extremely difficult and completely unprecedented decision to shut down travel between WA's regions.

From midnight Tuesday, restrictions will be placed on travel within the entire State of Western Australia.

Western Australians will not be permitted to leave their regional boundary."
If you are currently away from home - you need to come back. Now.

If you were planning a trip - you cannot go.
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Post by: McGirr on March 27, 2020, 08:08:28 PM
So how's that going to work, Mark ???

Are you supposed to go around to every house & deliver food, somebody comes to the store to collect, or, once again, will they start thinking about those fine details sometime over the next few days ??? ::)

The store stays open until things do happen. If the virus breaks out then the company will start 4 hr trading, card only no cash and no local workers.

Unfortunately it sounds great in theory but impossible to do. Time will tell.

Mark
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Post by: SJindustries on March 28, 2020, 04:50:59 AM
^^^^


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Post by: tryagain on March 28, 2020, 07:39:07 AM
Shits all over our premier, what’s her name again, umm, actually do we still have someone running this state??

Current premier announcement count as seen on my tv:
NSW = 20+
VIC = 20+
TAS = 10+
SA = 2
WA = 1
NT = 0
ACT = 0
QLD = 2  ( 1 saying the border is closed and the other saying the election is still on)

Credit where it's due, our accidental Premier learnt from to the last one who was turfed for making to many changes, so she on the whole avoids making decisions, can't get it wrong that way.
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Post by: rockrat on March 28, 2020, 09:04:33 AM
You know the world’s in turmoil when we’re complaining about our pollies not talking enough


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Post by: glenm64 on March 28, 2020, 08:32:47 PM
Said it before and I'll say it again. We are a nation of selfish pricks.
Next step total lock down and they will wonder why.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162569/Oblivious-sunbathers-popular-beach-ignore-blatant-warnings-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html

Cheers Glen

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Post by: Raym on March 28, 2020, 08:58:44 PM
This was an interesting watch. The Korean experience from their top medic in the field.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAk7aX5hksU
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: hardroad on March 29, 2020, 07:53:58 AM
Said it before and I'll say it again. We are a nation of selfish pricks.
Next step total lock down and they will wonder why.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162569/Oblivious-sunbathers-popular-beach-ignore-blatant-warnings-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html

Cheers Glen
Maybe if the politicians got their act together and didn't confuse the issue or better still, told the whole truth then we would be better informed to make non selfish acts. Hell the beaches are closed but you can swim, run, surf or walk the dog. Seriously where is the consistency??? https://sgst.com.au/2020/03/not-confused-about-beach-closures/
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 29, 2020, 09:58:20 AM
Maybe if the politicians got their act together and didn't confuse the issue or better still, told the whole truth then we would be better informed to make non selfish acts. Hell the beaches are closed but you can swim, run, surf or walk the dog. Seriously where is the consistency??? https://sgst.com.au/2020/03/not-confused-about-beach-closures/

I don't think they have done a bad job (both lib and lab leaders) , if you make half an effort you easily find out what you are supposed  to do you can easily find out. They all seem to be taking the advice of the experts and making decisions based on that, the bigger issue is that the Dunning Krueger effect seems to be in full swing in the broader public.
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Post by: Bird on March 29, 2020, 10:25:40 AM
I don't think they have done a bad job (both lib and lab leaders)
hate to say it but same
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Post by: Paddler Ed on March 29, 2020, 10:38:53 AM
...the bigger issue is that the Dunning Krueger effect seems to be in full swing in the broader public.

Just remember that 50% of the population are of below average intelligence, and they have to legislate for that...

However, in saying that, the Sydney Eastern Suburbs seem to be a breeding ground for C-19 in part due to a lack of common sense... but that was already quite well known...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 29, 2020, 11:50:06 AM
Just remember that 50% of the population are of below average intelligence, and they have to legislate for that...

However, in saying that, the Sydney Eastern Suburbs seem to be a breeding ground for C-19 in part due to a lack of common sense... but that was already quite well known...

The other probably bigger issue that leads to the Dunning Krueger effect is people getting their "news" from social media, take in too much of that and anyone could get confused/wrong.
With the eastern suburbs (and northern) getting it the worst, my guess is that those areas have a greater proportion of overseas travelers which leads to them getting worse first as that is where 2/3 of cases have come from so far, the other 1/3 is mostly direct contact of them.
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Post by: gronk on March 29, 2020, 12:00:44 PM
Just remember that 50% of the population are of below average intelligence,

Do you know what the average IQ is ? I want to know if I just sneak into the above average ??   ;D ;D
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Post by: Bigfish on March 29, 2020, 01:16:10 PM
Do you know what the average IQ is ? I want to know if I just sneak into the above average ??   ;D ;D

At  the moment there are many out there with the I.Q. of a shoe.  They have a room full of dunny rolls, 2 freezers full of mincemeat, hold corona virus parties, take the kids shopping  and insist that rules dont apply to them..
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Post by: Kangaron on March 29, 2020, 01:46:59 PM
The most number of cases in Melbourne are centered in the Stonnington municipality, the most affluent in Victoria.
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Post by: Fizzie on March 29, 2020, 01:49:21 PM
The most number of cases in Melbourne are centered in the Stonnington municipality, the most affluent in Victoria.

That goes to the opposite end of the same problem - I'm rich, so rules don't apply to me, & so I can continue to do whatever I like >:(
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Post by: rockrat on March 29, 2020, 01:57:48 PM
No doubt our politicians are listening to the experts they choose to listen to, but there are experts out there with a contradictory view. You just need to see the different responses of different governments all around the world, all of which I am sure are based on the expert advice provided to them (notwithstanding the fact that Trump always has and always will march to his own beat).

The biggest problem with our politicians is the lack of clarity and consistency. Compare them to Jacinda Adern and it is clear to see. NZ may or may not be going down the right path, but at least that path seems clear.


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Post by: plusnq on March 29, 2020, 02:17:49 PM
The most number of cases in Melbourne are centered in the Stonnington municipality, the most affluent in Victoria.

Probably international travel related.
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Post by: alnjan on March 29, 2020, 02:34:15 PM
Said it before and I'll say it again. We are a nation of selfish pricks.
Next step total lock down and they will wonder why.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8162569/Oblivious-sunbathers-popular-beach-ignore-blatant-warnings-amid-coronavirus-pandemic.html

Cheers Glen

Pretty sad to think the Governments have believe in the people would listen and do the 'right' thing and some of the people showed just how irresponsible they can be.  No wonder we have bans and restrictions with a total lockdown to come. 
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Post by: Fizzie on March 29, 2020, 02:45:25 PM
Pretty sad to think the Governments have believe in the people would listen and do the 'right' thing and some of the people showed just how irresponsible they can be.  No wonder we have bans and restrictions with a total lockdown to come.

& when that happens, you'll still find the same people out wandering, going to the beach, each other's places & so on.

Then when they (hopefully ??? :'() get pinged for it, just wait for it - Us ??? What do you mean, the rules apply to everybody ??? Nobody told me >:(
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Post by: Hairs on March 29, 2020, 03:07:32 PM
It isn't that hard.
Home delivery.
Adapt, deal wirh it, overcome it.

:)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200329/cc3ecc4efd03960dfbdfefe86e142340.jpg)
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Post by: Kangaron on March 29, 2020, 03:27:41 PM
Probably international travel related.

Spot on, that is why the local schools, St Catherines, Loretto Mandeville etc closed early.My girls went to Loretto and constantly complained that we went to Eildon or the beach on a the holidays and all their class mates went to the Greek islands for the week.
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Post by: Brij on March 29, 2020, 05:24:20 PM
Probably international travel related.

Pretty well correct.

This site has been down all day
https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiODBmMmE3NWQtZWNlNC00OWRkLTk1NjYtMjM2YTY1MjI2NzdjIiwidCI6ImMwZTA2MDFmLTBmYWMtNDQ5Yy05Yzg4LWExMDRjNGViOWYyOCJ9 (https://app.powerbi.com/view?r=eyJrIjoiODBmMmE3NWQtZWNlNC00OWRkLTk1NjYtMjM2YTY1MjI2NzdjIiwidCI6ImMwZTA2MDFmLTBmYWMtNDQ5Yy05Yzg4LWExMDRjNGViOWYyOCJ9) but I have been watching the figures as the numbers increase.

From memory yesterday about 92% of Victoria's infected people had either just returned from overseas, or had aquired the virus from someone who had just retruned from overseas (ie assume mainly family members).

I think only 20 people had been confirmed as picking up the virus locally, from unknown sources, but about 100 still under investigation. 

I also looked at NSW government website last night. It showed similar percentage.

Listening to the Qld premier this morning she gave me the impression they didn't have any community infections yet. All positive results were confined to overseas travellers, or infected by the returning travellers.
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Post by: gronk on March 29, 2020, 05:46:23 PM
(notwithstanding the fact that Trump always has and always will march to his own beat).




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Trump is good at talking himself up, and shoots from the mouth, not the brain, but a day later rolls over and complies with his own medical advice.
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Post by: rockrat on March 29, 2020, 06:05:37 PM
Trump is good at talking himself up, and shoots from the mouth, not the brain, but a day later rolls over and complies with his own medical advice.
Yep, he's the master of throwing a few scraps of red meat to his supporter base!
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Post by: plusnq on March 29, 2020, 07:00:41 PM
Yep, he's the master of throwing a few scraps of red meat to his supporter base!

Reminds me of Keating
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Post by: alnjan on March 29, 2020, 07:01:07 PM
?? BREAKING NEWS - SUNDAY 29/3 - 7PM ??

?? UPDATE FROM THE PM & NATIONAL CABINET:

Following tonight’s National Cabinet meeting, the PM and Chief Medical Officer have announced the following:

🚫 Further restrictions will be introduced on public gatherings

🚫 Public gatherings should be restricted to no more than 2 people (down from 10 currently) outside of your household and except for employment and education which should take into account appropriate social distancing.

🚫 In public areas, public playgrounds and skate parks will be closed from tomorrow.

🛑 People aged 70 and over should stay at home and self-isolate for their own protection to maximum extent possible.

?? On commercial tenancies:

- State and territories will be moving to put a moratorium on evictions of persons as a result of financial distress for next 6 months.

- We want landlords to engage with their tenants: on other side of this, we want landlord to have a tenant that can pay rent and for the business to be able to go on and operate and employ people

💉 Latest medical advice is:
For individuals, strong advice is you must stay at home except to
👉 shop for what you need, food and other essential supplies and do it as infrequently as possible;
👉 get medical care or for compassionate needs
👉 to exercise
👉 for work and education if you cannot work or learn remotely.

👉👉👉 Details on all the above to follow as they come to hand.

?? 16 people have now lost their lives to the coronavirus including 2 deaths today

?? We have the highest rates of testing in the world and one of lowest positive test rates – we are confident we are testing the majority of cases in Australia.

?? About 1600 people went into quarantine today after arriving back from overseas.

?? The daily rate of increase is falling – from 25-30% last week to 9%. But it’s not enough and we have to slow it further - we need to continue to do things that will save lives and livelihoods.

🛑 And for these kind of interventions to work, we need more than 90% of the population to follow them

💻 Tech is helping us get important messages out around coronavirus:

?? You can download a new Coronavirus app for both Apple and Android or join the WhatsApp channel aus.gov.au/whatsapp
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Post by: Hairs on March 29, 2020, 07:53:00 PM
While having a few cold ones of Coopers Pale Ale(shameless plug for an Australian company :) ) I did a ring around of our 4wd club members, just to ask, R U OK.
Look out for each other.

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Post by: SJindustries on March 29, 2020, 07:55:04 PM
Onya Hairs. That's the Aussie spirit.

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Post by: Hairs on March 29, 2020, 08:03:06 PM
Onya Hairs. That's the Aussie spirit.

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As simple as it may seem,
A phone call can mean so much to someone.
Sheeesh, it even does wonders for my own sense of worth & wellbeing.
Makes my day.

Cheers mate.
Thank you.
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Post by: Bigfish on March 29, 2020, 08:07:30 PM
Just watching a specialist on disease being interviewed on channel 7 and he said that  we will be at least 6 months with the conditions imposed on us at the moment.  He said that there are just so many unknowns that it is even possible we may be 12-18 months living in the same state as we are now...no easy or quick fix.  Just have to hope a vaccine can be found and produced asap....not real good news eh?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 29, 2020, 08:23:44 PM
Just watching a specialist on disease being interviewed on channel 7 and he said that  we will be at least 6 months with the conditions imposed on us at the moment.  He said that there are just so many unknowns that it is even possible we may be 12-18 months living in the same state as we are now...no easy or quick fix.  Just have to hope a vaccine can be found and produced asap....not real good news eh?
We, Australians have this awesome thing, freedom of movement.
This is farken with people like nothing has for over 75 years.
We, all of us have to come to terms with a change, a reset, our world has changed.

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Post by: tryagain on March 29, 2020, 08:27:54 PM
Just watching a specialist on disease being interviewed on channel 7 and he said that  we will be at least 6 months with the conditions imposed on us at the moment.  He said that there are just so many unknowns that it is even possible we may be 12-18 months living in the same state as we are now...no easy or quick fix.  Just have to hope a vaccine can be found and produced asap....not real good news eh?

This is what those who call for a lockdown don't seem to get, it's not shut down for a few weeks and then back to normal, whatever we do needs to be for the long haul, If you can believe China, they got on-top of it but that took 2 months of total lockdown to the point of welding people's doors shut so they couldn't get out, now they have pulled back the restrictions somewhat, but they are still far more severe than we have here.

NZ seem to be having a shot ar the eradication route, will be interesting to see if it's successful.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 29, 2020, 09:56:09 PM
Quote from: tryagain
If you can believe China, they got on-top of it but that took 2 months of total lockdown to the point of welding people's doors shut so they couldn't get out,
can I phone a friend, or swap questions please.  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Quote
NZ seem to be having a shot ar the eradication route, will be interesting to see if it's successful.
I hope we arent waiting for the results..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on March 30, 2020, 05:03:02 AM
The most number of cases in Melbourne are centered in the Stonnington municipality, the most affluent in Victoria.

Just where I am working at the moment. Go from a place of isolation and quiet on the weekend at our place and drive into this madhouse.

GG
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: SJindustries on March 30, 2020, 05:06:50 AM
Just where I am working at the moment. Go from a place of isolation and quiet on the weekend at our place and drive into this madhouse.

GG
I found a “small” spray bottle of 70% ethanol in the shed yesterday. I Should be good for a fair while  ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 30, 2020, 06:29:41 AM
I found a “small” spray bottle of 70% ethanol in the shed yesterday. I Should be good for a fair while  ;D

Mixed with coca cola you should be right for a while.... :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 30, 2020, 10:03:18 AM
As my old man will be 90 this year, if he survives through this madness, I just organised for his shopping to be done for the next six weeks for him.  All done via My Aged Care (Ph 1800 200 422) for his local Blue Care to help him out.  Due to where he lives there is no on-line shopping for him.     

Joys of being interstate and not being able to be in two or more places at once. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 30, 2020, 10:23:09 AM
Another option from Woolworths

https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/page/woolworths-basics-box (https://www.woolworths.com.au/shop/page/woolworths-basics-box)

Helping the most vulnerable in our communities
Woolworths Basics Box $80 inc. delivery
Currently available for delivery to ACT, NSW and VIC



What is the Woolworths Basics Box?

It’s just that, the basics.

We’ve created the Woolworths Basics Box to help provide meals, snacks and a few essential items for those in genuine need. It’s not perfect - it doesn’t include everything and is likely to be different to what you’d normally buy. You’re also not able to choose, switch or select the products you’ll receive - but by removing choice we’re able to get more boxes to more vulnerable customers faster.

The list below is an example of what may be included in your Woolworths Basics Box. While some products will vary due to stock availability, we will always aim to provide a similar range of products. Unfortunately we are currently unable to cater for specific dietary requirements.

A limit of 2 boxes per customer, per fortnight applies.



Another option
https://harrisfarmexpress.com.au (https://harrisfarmexpress.com.au)


Harris Farm Express = Simple Food Boxes

This service has been set up to give our customers an alternative to shopping in store, or through our normal online delivery site which might be congested due to a high volume of orders.  First delivery Tuesday 24 march!

By eliminating choice, we can offer a much faster service throughout this difficult time.

To bring this service to you, we have partnered with a restaurant supplier who is doing it tough in this National Crisis.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 30, 2020, 05:32:32 PM
The latest package from the Fed gov actually looks pretty well thought out.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-30/coronavirus-wage-subsidies-government-businesses-workers/12103108 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-30/coronavirus-wage-subsidies-government-businesses-workers/12103108)

I know it's not the Australian thing to do (should be whinging), but I actually think the Gov is doing and has done a pretty good job, that includes both sides of politics. Just have to look at Trump over in the states to see how badly it can be handled.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on March 30, 2020, 06:04:48 PM
Wonder how soon it will take to be put in place though ..
 EDIT : 1 May   .. Being stood down again, Last shift tonite, hope our lot will take up the offer, No guarantee's there ..
 Hard to keep track of all the differing offers / hourly changes / apply here n there  etc ..
 Now to work out what to do about getting through till 1 May . Pull holidays or hit the savings . Just have to play the Mushroom game for a while, I guess ..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 30, 2020, 07:03:13 PM
The latest package from the Fed gov actually looks pretty well thought out.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-30/coronavirus-wage-subsidies-government-businesses-workers/12103108 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-30/coronavirus-wage-subsidies-government-businesses-workers/12103108)

I know it's not the Australian thing to do (should be whinging), but I actually think the Gov is doing and has done a pretty good job, that includes both sides of politics. Just have to look at Trump over in the states to see how badly it can be handled.
My wife should benefit from this  :cup:
My only gripe is that there are a lot of casuals who don't stay 12 months with the one employer. If they are lucky they will get the increased Jobseeker payment but only if they are eligible (eg as long as their partner doesn't earn too much). 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 30, 2020, 07:22:24 PM
My wife should benefit from this  :cup:
My only gripe is that there are a lot of casuals who don't stay 12 months with the one employer. If they are lucky they will get the increased Jobseeker payment but only if they are eligible (eg as long as their partner doesn't earn too much).

I know there are a lot of casual workers with no choice, but for the ones who prefer to be casual ( bigger pay is the main incentive ), this is one of the drawbacks.
As for partners earning too much, I've heard a lot of people complain about this, but, if a partner is earning too much , then they don't need the extra money.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 30, 2020, 07:47:31 PM
I know there are a lot of casual workers with no choice, but for the ones who prefer to be casual ( bigger pay is the main incentive ), this is one of the drawbacks.
As for partners earning too much, I've heard a lot of people complain about this, but, if a partner is earning too much , then they don't need the extra money.
I think you are wrong on both counts.

At the end of all this, the rich will be richer, the poor will be poorer and the middle class will be decimated. Those who supposedly don't need the money will no longer be able to pay their mortgage so they will need to sell, everyone's house price will plummet, discretionary spending will dry up for many years and taxes will either need to increase or services will need to be cut.  A huge number of retail and hospitality companies and jobs will disappear forever. 

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on March 30, 2020, 08:51:13 PM
Son #2 left his old job of 6 years about 4 months ago, and started a new job as a casual. It was meant to be 6 months casual then permanent. Dont need to tell you what happened last week.


Cheers Glen

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bmwfreak on March 30, 2020, 08:56:44 PM
I’m sure I’m not the only Swagger noticing that self funded retirees, have not been given any air time whatsoever during the discussions re the financial security/support. Most, if not all, rely on superannuation for their livelihood. The super funds have taken a hit only comparable the the Great Depression in the late 20’s & 30’s. We are hurting as much, or more than working people who have lost their jobs. We can’t go on newstart to bolster our income, as they can.
Old age pensioners also seem to have been left out of the media ‘drama’
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on March 30, 2020, 09:26:10 PM
I’m sure I’m not the only Swagger noticing that self funded retirees, have not been given any air time whatsoever during the discussions re the financial security/support. Most, if not all, rely on superannuation for their livelihood. The super funds have taken a hit only comparable the the Great Depression in the late 20’s & 30’s. We are hurting as much, or more than working people who have lost their jobs. We can’t go on newstart to bolster our income, as they can.
Old age pensioners also seem to have been left out of the media ‘drama’

x10000000

We talked to our doctor a couple of months ago and he did a couple tests on me. Diminished memory at 73 gave Bronny  a carers subsidy which helps a bit, so hopefully we'll get the $750 each. But I've had to cut my fortnightly payment from my super to $300 p/f, my pension is about $750 p/f so we now have a whole $1000 p/f ($500 p/w)to live on, lucky the house and car is paid for.
Really happy after working and paying tax's for 52 years  :'( :'( :'( and getting the dole for 4 weeks in Mr Keatings recession that we had to have  >:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 30, 2020, 09:48:51 PM
I think you are wrong on both counts.

. Those who supposedly don't need the money will no longer be able to pay their mortgage so they will need to sell,

For one, this thing will only last a certain time, and mortgage relief will probably last the same amount of time. This all may be a wake up call to all the people who have overcapitalised in this modern world of having the best...but needing two wages to pay for it all. Don't worry, I have family in the same boat !

I'll start ducking now !!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on March 30, 2020, 09:56:06 PM
For one, this thing will only last a certain time, and mortgage relief will probably last the same amount of time. This all may be a wake up call to all the people who have overcapitalised in this modern world of having the best...but needing two wages to pay for it all. Don't worry, I have family in the same boat !

I'll start ducking now !!

Don't tell me you think people might actually have to start to budget for items like we did 30 or 40 years ago ?   :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Paddler Ed on March 30, 2020, 10:07:37 PM
For one, this thing will only last a certain time, and mortgage relief will probably last the same amount of time. This all may be a wake up call to all the people who have overcapitalised in this modern world of having the best...but needing two wages to pay for it all. Don't worry, I have family in the same boat !

I'll start ducking now !!

It's surprising what you actually need to live on - we live pretty much on wife's wage (2IC in a supermarket department, so not that different to the national median wage) as my work is Part time whilst I self-fund a PhD and pay rent from the 20hrs a week I work.

OK, we're renting, but that is as much due to our circumstances.

We have 5 vehicles for rego and 1 camper trailer; admittedly I do all the work on both Land Cruisers myself, and one of the 3 bikes, so that keeps costs down. Also the Land Cruisers were not that expensive really to purchase, and are still worth what we paid for them (if not more).

We can also book a trip back to the UK about every 2-3years (we were due to go in May this year....) and do a few trips around locally here.

Whilst it's unstable at the moment, we've tightened the budget a bit, but we can still decide to buy something if it's the right price without having to borrow money for it.

The main thing is we own as much as we can outright, and budget ahead (we've just got our phone bills down to $10ish a month, and paid for the next 12months, whilst we both own our phones outright).

I think we also fit into the slow fashion movement as well; we'll spend a bit on clothes, but then they last (Wrangler jeans are $70ish, but they last for about 2 years before retiring to yard work only grade - and I use them nearly everyday) for a lot longer.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: hardroad on March 31, 2020, 06:45:14 AM
I would like to know what the stimulus payments will do. The retail sector has been decimated. The tourist industry is nonexistent. Not sure what mining is doing, assume China shutdown has slowed that dramatically. Pubs, registered and licenced clubs, gyms and indoor sporting venues, Cinemas, entertainment venues, casinos, restaurants and cafes (restricted to takeaway and/or home delivery), all shut. Sport gone. Plus others I can't think of at the moment. What is left to stimulate???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 31, 2020, 06:51:14 AM
Wonder how soon it will take to be put in place though ..
 EDIT : 1 May   
 

From what I understand, the incentive is being paid to the employer as a rebate for keeping workers on the payroll, and will be effective from now. So workers will need to remain on the books and continue to be paid by their employer, and backdated rebates will flow to the employer from May 1st. The aim is to keep people on the employers books instead of the unemployment list so that when things return to normal the workforce will be close to what it was? Wont prevent all job losses, but should help mitigate the unemployment situation? and might also remove some of the pressure on the Centrelink system?

Mrs Spada (who is a payroll manager for a largish Aus company) is a bit concerned about the workload involved in managing it though, as the fine details are yet to be finalised? I believe it is forecast to be in place for upwards of 6 months? I'm guessing employees will only be on base wage (no overtime, penalties, entitlements) but in many cases that may be in line with what they would get from Centerlink?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 31, 2020, 06:56:41 AM
I would like to know what the stimulus payments will do. The retail sector has been decimated. The tourist industry is nonexistent. Not sure what mining is doing, assume China shutdown has slowed that dramatically. Pubs, registered and licenced clubs, gyms and indoor sporting venues, Cinemas, entertainment venues, casinos, restaurants and cafes (restricted to takeaway and/or home delivery), all shut. Sport gone. Plus others I can't think of at the moment. What is left to stimulate???

Simple mate...get a few take away meals from local shops in your area. Find out what stores are open and buy from them...we are not in a total lock down yet. . Use a local  bloke to cut your grass (even if you normally do it), Have a look on your local community facebook page...always someone willing do to do something.  Buy $100 worth of pet food and donate to the local kennels/rspca/animal shelter.  Dont forget we still have many bush fire victims...donate a few dollars to their cause. Put a deposit on a weekend away in a bush fire affected region....I,m sure you,ll think of a way of spending..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 31, 2020, 08:44:54 AM
W.A. going in hard against the scumbags in society...
Bloody great idea. We need tougher , enforceable penalties like this across Australia now...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/wa-coronavirus-crime-plan-for-jail-terms-and-electronic-tracking/12104286
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on March 31, 2020, 08:58:41 AM
W.A. going in hard against the scumbags in society...
Bloody great idea. We need tougher , enforceable penalties like this across Australia now...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/wa-coronavirus-crime-plan-for-jail-terms-and-electronic-tracking/12104286
Should be done every where 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 31, 2020, 09:17:56 AM
This guy will NEED 6 mths jail to recover... :D

https://www.wsfm.com.au/lifestyle/the-king-of-thailand-is-isolating-with-his-harem-of-20-concubines-honestly-goals/ (https://www.wsfm.com.au/lifestyle/the-king-of-thailand-is-isolating-with-his-harem-of-20-concubines-honestly-goals/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 31, 2020, 09:35:46 AM
These payments they are calling support payments, not stimulus payments (the first $750 was a stimulus package before the severity of it was evident)

I don't think it's the Govs role to give you enough to make the car payments on your new car and your mortgage on your Mcmansion, or whatever lifestyle choices you have made. Enough to put a modest roof over your head and some food on the table which I think the amounts they are giving away generally allow you to do, they are not here to keep you in the lifestyle you might like in the suburb of your choice, no body forced you to overextended yourself by taking a loan out for everything.

Pensioners are about to receive $750 on top of what they normally get, which hasn't gone down at all and there is another at a later date.

Most self funded retirees have seen a hit to their super, but that's to do with the risk portfolio they have taken with it, if they had choosen cash and government bonds, it wouldn't have gone down at all, but most  choose a higher risk option, as although overtime it goes up and down, on the whole it goes up more which it is likely to do again in a year or so.

I think most gripes people have are more to do with the choices they have made  than a lack of government action.

And whilst I am at it, unemployment benefits only normally account for about 6% of the taxes you pay, I view it more like an insurance policy, if you never have had to claim on it ( and I haven't yet), it's generally a good thing, but that doesn't mean it's not worth having, and just because you have paid the premium for years, it doesn't mean you are entitled to something extra than the coverage/safety net you have received over that time.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 31, 2020, 09:51:59 AM
But I've had to cut my fortnightly payment from my super to $300 p/f, my pension is about $750 p/f so we now have a whole $1000 p/f ($500 p/w)to live on,

Just reading the news this morning

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/coronavirus-wage-subsidy-stimulus-business/12104222 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/coronavirus-wage-subsidy-stimulus-business/12104222)

"At around $39,000 a year, the new payment is close to 70 per cent of the typical (median) wage in Australia of $58,000, or about half of the median full-time wage. By contrast, the previously announced increase in the Jobseeker allowance offers sacked workers close to $29,000 a year, or half of median earnings."

& there were lots of complaints that nobody could afford to live on that amount!

"For low and middle-income households, these higher payments give them a good chance of covering the rent and bills."

But Newstart is normally only about $13k p.a., so you have to wonder how any of us on that are still here! :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 31, 2020, 09:55:19 AM
From what I understand, the incentive is being paid to the employer as a rebate for keeping workers on the payroll

What worries me is how many scumbag employers will say "Thanks, very much - that gives me the chance to upgrade last year's BMW to this year's model, pay off the mortgage on my holiday house & so on :'( >:( Employee's pay ??? Phht, who cares about them!" >:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 31, 2020, 10:19:51 AM
These payments they are calling support payments, not stimulus payments (the first $750 was a stimulus package before the severity of it was evident)

I don't think it's the Govs role to give you enough to make the car payments on your new car and your mortgage on your Mcmansion, or whatever lifestyle choices you have made. Enough to put a modest roof over your head and some food on the table which I think the amounts they are giving away generally allow you to do, they are not here to keep you in the lifestyle you might like in the suburb of your choice, no body forced you to overextended yourself by taking a loan out for everything.

Pensioners are about to receive $750 on top of what they normally get, which hasn't gone down at all and there is another at a later date.

Most self funded retirees have seen a hit to their super, but that's to do with the risk portfolio they have taken with it, if they had choosen cash and government bonds, it wouldn't have gone down at all, but most  choose a higher risk option, as although overtime it goes up and down, on the whole it goes up more which it is likely to do again in a year or so.

I think most gripes people have are more to do with the choices they have made  than a lack of government action.

And whilst I am at it, unemployment benefits only normally account for about 6% of the taxes you pay, I view it more like an insurance policy, if you never have had to claim on it ( and I haven't yet), it's generally a good thing, but that doesn't mean it's not worth having, and just because you have paid the premium for years, it doesn't mean you are entitled to something extra than the coverage/safety net you have received over that time.

Even if they had chosen cash and bonds it would have gone down.  You have to take out a minimum of 5% if on an income stream. Say you have $100,000..thats $5000 you must take out. Cash you might have made $2000  Bonds..$2500.  If you invest in superannuation and only invested in cash and govt bonds then your a fool and missing out on what a balanced portfolio will produce. Interest on many well managed  super funds was around 10% last financial year.  Cash and bonds was about 3-4%. Like many I have taken a decent hit (around 10% currently)..but I have also got a well balanced super scheme and know that over the years my super has risen significantly due to good % rises overall.

This is why it is extremely important for people to follow their super schemes and check on its performance.  If there is more panic selling then putting a good percentage of your super into cash will be a good thing.  Things will get better and what you lose on the swings you make up on the slides!!    :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 31, 2020, 10:37:27 AM
If there is more panic selling then putting a good percentage of your super into cash will be a good thing. 

But if you do, that forces the Super fund to sell shares on a depressed market, so they can pay you out, which then pushes the market down further, so more people panic & want to get their Super out, which ... :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on March 31, 2020, 10:42:41 AM
What worries me is how many scumbag employers will say "Thanks, very much - that gives me the chance to upgrade last year's BMW to this year's model, pay off the mortgage on my holiday house & so on :'( >:( Employee's pay ??? Phht, who cares about them!" >:(

That's a fair concern, and scum will always be scum.
But without understanding the full and final package, I believe the employees will need to continue to be paid before the employer will receive any rebate. So no cash out equals no cash in? I'd suspect businesses will need to apply for the wage supplement, and I believe they will be required to demonstrate that they have suffered a minimum %'age of revenue losses, and I'd imagine that there would be some sort of TFN matching to payroll amounts during the period claimed (that's just a guess though). I've no doubt that like every form of government assistance there will be rorters seeking a way to benefit though.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 31, 2020, 10:50:29 AM
What worries me is how many scumbag employers will say "Thanks, very much - that gives me the chance to upgrade last year's BMW to this year's model, pay off the mortgage on my holiday house & so on :'( >:( Employee's pay ??? Phht, who cares about them!" >:(
absolutely the first thing I said/thought of too..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 31, 2020, 11:17:01 AM
& it looks like it could get really bad ??? :'(

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/coronavirus-countries-infection-rates-most-vulnerable/12085816 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/coronavirus-countries-infection-rates-most-vulnerable/12085816)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on March 31, 2020, 11:24:19 AM
& it looks like it could get really bad ??? :'(

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/coronavirus-countries-infection-rates-most-vulnerable/12085816 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-31/coronavirus-countries-infection-rates-most-vulnerable/12085816)

It's going to decimate third world countries. As if they don't have it bad enough already.
Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on March 31, 2020, 11:28:58 AM
Don't tell me you think people might actually have to start to budget for items like we did 30 or 40 years ago ?   :cheers:
Ahh, yes the good old days....

All of those ungrateful kids of today that can’t afford to buy a house that’s worth 6 times their annual wage.
If only they could be like those good old timers that scrimped and saved to buy a house for twice their annual wage.... ;)


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 31, 2020, 11:37:13 AM
What worries me is how many scumbag employers will say "Thanks, very much - that gives me the chance to upgrade last year's BMW to this year's model, pay off the mortgage on my holiday house & so on :'( >:( Employee's pay ??? Phht, who cares about them!" >:(

It's the ATO who are tasked to enforce it, they have pretty full-on powers when you look into it, also access to the businesses financials as well. There will always be some who try (and some of those might succeed) to rort it, but seems pretty robust, and if people know about businesses trying to rort it, they should call it out.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 31, 2020, 11:44:55 AM
Even if they had chosen cash and bonds it would have gone down.  You have to take out a minimum of 5% if on an income stream. Say you have $100,000..thats $5000 you must take out. Cash you might have made $2000  Bonds..$2500.  If you invest in superannuation and only invested in cash and govt bonds then your a fool and missing out on what a balanced portfolio will produce. Interest on many well managed  super funds was around 10% last financial year.  Cash and bonds was about 3-4%. Like many I have taken a decent hit (around 10% currently)..but I have also got a well balanced super scheme and know that over the years my super has risen significantly due to good % rises overall.

This is why it is extremely important for people to follow their super schemes and check on its performance.  If there is more panic selling then putting a good percentage of your super into cash will be a good thing.  Things will get better and what you lose on the swings you make up on the slides!!    :cheers:

That's only going down because you have drawn on it, you haven't lost any money. But yes, you are better traditionally off over the long term with a more balanced approach, my point was there is a risk vs reward, some seem to want compensation because there is a downturn in their net worth at the moment, but that is part of the risk they signed up for.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 31, 2020, 11:57:17 AM
Ahh, yes the good old days....

All of those ungrateful kids of today that can’t afford to buy a house that’s worth 6 times their annual wage.
If only they could be like those good old timers that scrimped and saved to buy a house for twice their annual wage.... ;)


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I agree housing is mental and the exception, especially in some places like Syd and Melb, but I think there is a broader point that is justified. If people only bought what they could pay for (excluding housing) then most people who are crying foul wouldn't be in anywhere near the issues they are at the moment, but that migh mean not having a shiny new car.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Steffo1 on March 31, 2020, 11:59:55 AM
It isn't that hard.
Home delivery.
Adapt, deal wirh it, overcome it.

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Nice drop, that. I have this stashed in my wardrobe, waiting for a special occasion. Must be getting close, surely?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 31, 2020, 12:02:08 PM
but that migh mean not having a shiny new car
or 2, every couple of years, new iThings every year, 4k TV, Netflix, holidays o'seas ...  :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on March 31, 2020, 12:22:04 PM
and now they are saying the Coronavirus may not 'peak' until November.   

 https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coronavirus-may-not-peak-until-november-in-nsw-new-modelling-shows

If social isolation measures are stepped up, the peak of the coronavirus epidemic in NSW would be less severe and delayed until November, a COVID-19 model suggests.


The advantage and disadvantage
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on March 31, 2020, 12:29:51 PM
and now they are saying the Coronavirus may not 'peak' until November.   

 https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coronavirus-may-not-peak-until-november-in-nsw-new-modelling-shows

If social isolation measures are stepped up, the peak of the coronavirus epidemic in NSW would be less severe and delayed until November, a COVID-19 model suggests.


The advantage and disadvantage
It also may not peak until 2050.... Nobody knows.

Whats worse is, how can they really ever give the "all clear" to this?? Only takes 1 person infected, and away we go again...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on March 31, 2020, 12:43:10 PM
Whats worse is, how can they really ever give the "all clear" to this?? Only takes 1 person infected, and away we go again...

Yep, only hope to getting back to normality is a vaccine. But what happens next year...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on March 31, 2020, 12:54:42 PM
Whats worse is, how can they really ever give the "all clear" to this?? Only takes 1 person infected, and away we go again...

Because hopefully, by then, we've reached the level (60%?) of people that have antibodies so we've got "herd immunity" ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on March 31, 2020, 12:56:13 PM
and now they are saying the Coronavirus may not 'peak' until November.   

 https://www.sbs.com.au/news/coronavirus-may-not-peak-until-november-in-nsw-new-modelling-shows

If social isolation measures are stepped up, the peak of the coronavirus epidemic in NSW would be less severe and delayed until November, a COVID-19 model suggests.


The advantage and disadvantage


Modelling is a joke, you work out the answer you want then keep playing around with the figures untill you get that answer, next week it won't peek for 5 years
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 31, 2020, 04:53:32 PM
I agree housing is mental and the exception, especially in some places like Syd and Melb, but I think there is a broader point that is justified. If people only bought what they could pay for (excluding housing) then most people who are crying foul wouldn't be in anywhere near the issues they are at the moment, but that migh mean not having a shiny new car.
So based on some of the logic in this thread, people on low wages or on the Jobseeker allowance should easily be able to live on 20-50% less than they are getting now! Or is it more about levelling the playing field and socialism.

The vast majority of my non-discretionary spend (at least 90%) is on my own home, investment property and a business loan.  I will get through this crisis and will still own my home, as will many people who can put their loans on "hold".  But if you're a young (or not so young person) who has been trying to save to buy a home and suddenly find yourself unemployed but not entitled to government support and have to tap into those savings, you might never get the opportunity to buy a house again!

And let's not forget it is discretionary spending that keeps the cafes, pubs, cinemas, clothes shops, camping shops, accommodation providers, sporting organisations and many other parts of our economy running and people in jobs.  This crisis might just show people what they can live without!

To be honest, if I can't get work for 6 months, maybe I just put the home loans on hold (or better still pay the interest in advance on my investment loan so I get a big fat refund this year), take the government handout and spend 6 months adding value to my home. I'll probably be better off at the end of the day.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on March 31, 2020, 05:42:53 PM
NSW Government,
Urging people not to travel to regional areas, country health services can not cope with the numbers of people atm.
Plus, the messege is still the same, stay at home.
Don't be pricks about this Australia.



Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: SJindustries on March 31, 2020, 05:55:45 PM
I'm now getting letters from my clients with clarification for when the cops pull me over stating my work is essential services.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on March 31, 2020, 06:06:50 PM
I trust she wasn't stepping off the footpath to avoid an oncoming pedestrian in order to observe social distancing  :'(
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/sydney-woman-dies-after-being-struck-by-garbage-truck/ar-BB11W3Zf
Some of you may be relieved to hear- 'The garbage truck driver, 55, was not injured in the crash'
The Premier will be making an announcement shortly that it's not all about having a good Covid day people.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 31, 2020, 06:07:08 PM
But if you do, that forces the Super fund to sell shares on a depressed market, so they can pay you out, which then pushes the market down further, so more people panic & want to get their Super out, which ... :'(

I put ALL my super into cash. Not getting paid out...it's still in the super fund...but merely riding the storm....when it's over the cash will be shifted straight back to a balanced option.

Different scenario to actually withdrawing your super, which is a stupid thing to do.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 31, 2020, 06:22:36 PM
I put ALL my super into cash. Not getting paid out...it's still in the super fund...but merely riding the storm....when it's over the cash will be shifted straight back to a balanced option.

Different scenario to actually withdrawing your super, which is a stupid thing to do.
I know shares have been hammered but my balanced super fund has lost less than 10% since July last year!
The risk of getting the market timing wrong isn't worth moving it all into cash.  Just my opinion but I know it will bounce back and when it does it will do so very quickly.  But also depends on how close you are to retirement.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 31, 2020, 06:28:37 PM
I know shares have been hammered but my balanced super fund has lost less than 10% since July last year!
The risk of getting the market timing wrong isn't worth moving it all into cash.  Just my opinion but I know it will bounce back and when it does it will do so very quickly.  But also depends on how close you are to retirement.

I'm close to retirement and I don't want to lose any money.  I estimated my super would have lost approx 15% since the market went south. I lost $18,000 before I shifted to cash, but probably saved another $70,000 by doing so. That would take approx 2 yrs to recoup at "normal" interest rates, so in effect the fund would take 4 yrs to recover fully.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: CTL on March 31, 2020, 07:15:02 PM
I know shares have been hammered but my balanced super fund has lost less than 10% since July last year!
The risk of getting the market timing wrong isn't worth moving it all into cash.  Just my opinion but I know it will bounce back and when it does it will do so very quickly.  But also depends on how close you are to retirement.

Is that 10% loss the difference between your balance in July last year and now?  Or is it between the balance in January this year and now?  Because I have lost way more than that.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 31, 2020, 07:31:22 PM
Is that 10% loss the difference between your balance in July last year and now?  Or is it between the balance in January this year and now?  Because I have lost way more than that.

And I think my 15% was very conservative !!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on March 31, 2020, 07:32:30 PM
I,m in retirement and have lost $32,000 in 5 weeks. About 8%.  Not panicking as I have a diverse portfolio.  I also have a figure that if I hit then a switch of some monies to a cash fund.  I believe we will bounce back and even now we are picking up quite well..


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on March 31, 2020, 07:39:13 PM
So based on some of the logic in this thread, people on low wages or on the Jobseeker allowance should easily be able to live on 20-50% less than they are getting now! Or is it more about levelling the playing field and socialism.

No, it's about the government providing a safety net that allows you to survive, this is the same amount for everyone.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on March 31, 2020, 08:06:33 PM
Is that 10% loss the difference between your balance in July last year and now?  Or is it between the balance in January this year and now?  Because I have lost way more than that.
Since July last year - I guess my point is more that it will go back up again and I reckon timing the market could be pretty tricky under the circumstances.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on March 31, 2020, 08:08:40 PM
I put ALL my super into cash. Not getting paid out...it's still in the super fund...but merely riding the storm....when it's over the cash will be shifted straight back to a balanced option.

You don't really believe 'cash' as you call it is capital guaranteed do you? It's actually interest bearing and it can be in a host of financial instruments like mortgages business loans short term money market etc and if they default to a large extent then guess what?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on March 31, 2020, 09:33:56 PM
You don't really believe 'cash' as you call it is capital guaranteed do you? It's actually interest bearing and it can be in a host of financial instruments like mortgages business loans short term money market etc and if they default to a large extent then guess what?

ATM, it's about as stable as you can get......apart from cash in a bank, but I'm not about to withdraw all my super and put it in a bank and lock it into a lifetime of a max 3% interest ( currently a term deposit is around 1.5% )!  If the whole world goes down the gurgler, shares will be worse off.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: CTL on March 31, 2020, 09:37:51 PM
Since July last year - I guess my point is more that it will go back up again and I reckon timing the market could be pretty tricky under the circumstances.

Right, how much did your super increase from 01/07/18 to 30/06/19?

You could, before this pandemic, have expected a similar increase, or perhaps a bit more, until 30/06/20.

So add that increase, which has now gone, to your 10% to get the true amount of your loss.  Bit sad isn’t it?

It will take a few years to recover that sort of lose and I don’t think we have hit bottom by any means.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: MB TD42 on March 31, 2020, 09:57:45 PM
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 01, 2020, 06:20:56 AM
Right, how much did your super increase from 01/07/18 to 30/06/19?

You could, before this pandemic, have expected a similar increase, or perhaps a bit more, until 30/06/20.

So add that increase, which has now gone, to your 10% to get the true amount of your loss.  Bit sad isn’t it?

It will take a few years to recover that sort of lose and I don’t think we have hit bottom by any means.

so 1/7/18 to 30/6/2019  my super went up 3.5%      30/6/19 to 30/6/2020  my super went up  5% (as at 1/4/2020)    So why is this a bit sad??  Sure, I,ve taken a hit in the last 6 weeks but it is bouncing back.    Cash over the last 2 years would yield 2.5% tops.  The secret is a balanced and diverse portfolio and riding out the peaks and troughs.  Dont forget that even during a recession/downturn stocks are swooped on by savvy investors and bounce back after a recession/downturn.  If the carona virus hadn't struck the a return of 11% was coming my way....and if I had a magic ball I could tell you this weeks lotto numbers as well.


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on April 01, 2020, 06:34:46 AM
The problem with trying to pick the bounce off the bottom is if you blink, you may miss it.....

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 01, 2020, 06:51:01 AM
The problem with trying to pick the bounce off the bottom is if you blink, you may miss it.....

 :cheers:

Exactly...that is why you dont panic and change your portfolio unless things are really going pear which they are not at the moment...

Once this pandemic settles down or is controlled/wiped out we will see changes emerge to the world and countries within it. Business,s will alter, investments in foreign countries/ownership will change, huge money playing sports will change, the way people think about the future will also change....I reckon for the best as well..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on April 01, 2020, 07:46:38 AM
Or sell on the way down and buy them back for less.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 01, 2020, 08:25:43 AM
Or sell on the way down and buy them back for less.

And that is what a good superannuation company does for you... They never put all their eggs in the one basket (unless you ask them too) .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: CTL on April 01, 2020, 09:11:00 AM
so 1/7/18 to 30/6/2019  my super went up 3.5%      30/6/19 to 30/6/2020  my super went up  5% (as at 1/4/2020)    So why is this a bit sad??  Sure, I,ve taken a hit in the last 6 weeks but it is bouncing back.    Cash over the last 2 years would yield 2.5% tops.  The secret is a balanced and diverse portfolio and riding out the peaks and troughs.  Dont forget that even during a recession/downturn stocks are swooped on by savvy investors and bounce back after a recession/downturn.  If the carona virus hadn't struck the a return of 11% was coming my way....and if I had a magic ball I could tell you this weeks lotto numbers as well.

I was having a conversation with rockrat and discussing his scenerio  ;D

However, in relation to your reply above, if you only got a 3.5% return to 30/06/2019 you are in a Shit super fund.  Mine achieved 9.74% for the same period and was doing better so far this financial year.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on April 01, 2020, 09:13:36 AM
Or sell on the way down and buy them back for less.

....or perhaps.... sell at the bottom and buy them back for more....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 01, 2020, 09:19:22 AM
Our Super had gone down ~14% from 28/2 - 26/3, but back up ~4% over the three days!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 01, 2020, 09:26:17 AM
I was having a conversation with rockrat and discussing his scenerio  ;D

However, in relation to your reply above, if you only got a 3.5% return to 30/06/2019 you are in a Shit super fund.  Mine achieved 9.74% for the same period and was doing better so far this financial year.

My mistake I forgot I took out a large lump sum...That would put the 3.5% closer to 9.5%...my bad..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 01, 2020, 01:52:45 PM
I think the US will soon be the reference point for comparisons in regard to how bad it could get.

A week on and I think we are there, the death toll still trails Italy but not for long, the White House estimates from 100,000 to 240,000 deaths in the next two weeks we haven't seen anything yet. Expect to see piles of bodies in the news. :(

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-us-white-houses-grim-death-prediction/news-story/9772306528e88480bcab825f297d14d5 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-us-white-houses-grim-death-prediction/news-story/9772306528e88480bcab825f297d14d5)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on April 01, 2020, 02:29:27 PM
6.45am Covid 19 crisis. 

long queue of seniors waiting for Coles  to open the door.   Along comes this 20 something young guy charging towards the front trying to get to the front of the queue.....  A grey hair lady on a walking frame watched him comes towards her She gets out the walking stick and wack him over the head and knocks him out....   the crowd cheers the little old lady and the noise wakes this young guy up.  He gets back up and powers through the crowd....  A short bloke then puts his legs out and makes him trip and fall,  the mob then get what they can to retrain him.....  The police arrive and puts him in cuffs.   

The officer saids “ it’s not your turn this morning, bit disappointed that someone like you do this, you should have more respect for the elders”. 

The young man then replies; “ if I don’t get to the front door and open it, no one gets in”. 



Cheers Glen

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 01, 2020, 03:12:53 PM
6.45am Covid 19 crisis.

long queue of seniors waiting for Coles  to open the door.   Along comes this 20 something young guy charging towards the front trying to get to the front of the queue.....  A grey hair lady on a walking frame watched him comes towards her She gets out the walking stick and wack him over the head and knocks him out....   the crowd cheers the little old lady and the noise wakes this young guy up.  He gets back up and powers through the crowd....  A short bloke then puts his legs out and makes him trip and fall,  the mob then get what they can to retrain him.....  The police arrive and puts him in cuffs.   

The officer saids “ it’s not your turn this morning, bit disappointed that someone like you do this, you should have more respect for the elders”.

The young man then replies; “ if I don’t get to the front door and open it, no one gets in”.



Cheers Glen


 :cup:    Started reading and thought...Shit this is just not on....however... ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on April 01, 2020, 04:48:38 PM
Since July last year - I guess my point is more that it will go back up again and I reckon timing the market could be pretty tricky under the circumstances.

I converted to cash just before the worst of the crashes, but timing of the market to convert back is not a great problem. What I "lose" on the market bouncing back is miniscule compared to what I may have lost if I did nothing.
I have found during the last 6 years since really following my super, it doesn't bounce back anywhere near as fast as it loses .

Say you lose 5% of your super in one hit....I have never seen it recover that 5% in any short time frame. The last time I took a hit, it took a full year to recover back to the original figure.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on April 01, 2020, 06:05:21 PM
I have a modest portfolio of pretty diversified shares (mining, engineering, infrastructure, insurance, retail), most of which I either bought many years ago, got 'given' when the company listed (eg IAG/NRMA), or got through work (either salary sacrifice or bonuses).  While collectively they are still 30% down on where they were on 31 December, they have increased 25% since 23 March when they were at their lowest. Another week or two like that and they will be back where they were. I'm sure it won't happen that quickly but it probably will before the end of the year.

In the meantime, my super contributions are buying more units per $.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: austastar on April 01, 2020, 06:43:55 PM


In the meantime, my super contributions are buying more units per $.

Hi,
    And that is very important!
Cheers



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Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on April 01, 2020, 06:48:46 PM
All of this investment advise and superannuation talk is absolutely riveting stuff......
I’m sure if I was 30 years older I’d be all over this retirement thread. ;)

As far as the coronavirus goes, there’s some shocking statistics on this site.
It’s pretty much live and you can filter by the different columns.

 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

The graphs are pretty much as the models had been forecasting this thing to play out.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 01, 2020, 07:09:59 PM
Just listening to an Historian who has written a book about the 1918 influenza pandemic. He says about 20,000 Australians died..  The govt of the day said very little about the pandemic as they focused on the glory of young Australians dying nobly in WW1...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 01, 2020, 10:58:19 PM
Yes Bigfish and it was called the Spanish Flu because unlike the WWI countries hiding their true death stats at home and in the trenches for war propaganda the Spanish reported their true deaths and consequently copped the naming. Well it's not a good look with the recruiting posters- 'Your country needs you to feed the flu pandemic'.

Meanwhile it seems we need the checkout chicks down at the Brissie wharves because the poor little petals in the wharfies union are afraid of the big bad virus-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/melbourne-wharfies-stood-down-after-refusing-to-unload-chinese-ship/ar-BB11ZhdR
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on April 02, 2020, 07:39:25 AM
Yes Bigfish and it was called the Spanish Flu because unlike the WWI countries hiding their true death stats at home and in the trenches for war propaganda the Spanish reported their true deaths and consequently copped the naming. Well it's not a good look with the recruiting posters- 'Your country needs you to feed the flu pandemic'.

Meanwhile it seems we need the checkout chicks down at the Brissie wharves because the poor little petals in the wharfies union are afraid of the big bad virus-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/melbourne-wharfies-stood-down-after-refusing-to-unload-chinese-ship/ar-BB11ZhdR

Further to the wharfies, the union in charge of the baggage handlers in SA wants an inquiry in to how baggage handlers contracted Corona. WTF?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 02, 2020, 08:51:03 AM
Quote from: Pottsy
Further to the wharfies, the union in charge of the baggage handlers in SA wants an inquiry in to how baggage handlers contracted Corona. WTF?
sounds fair to me. Im tipping they are wondering if its not just person to person but item to person.. THAT would be a game changer.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 02, 2020, 09:16:03 AM
sounds fair to me. Im tipping they are wondering if its not just person to person but item to person.. THAT would be a game changer.

How could you tell? The problem with community transmission is we have no idea where it came from.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 02, 2020, 09:16:50 AM
sounds fair to me. Im tipping they are wondering if its not just person to person but item to person.. THAT would be a game changer.

I would have thought that all baggage would have sprayed as it was put into the hold.  The virus can live on stainless steel for 72 hours..( so I have read).
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 02, 2020, 09:25:57 AM
sounds fair to me. Im tipping they are wondering if its not just person to person but item to person.. THAT would be a game changer.

It's certainly possible, this is a good vid on the transmission of viruses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-dI74zxPg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-dI74zxPg)

Pretty sure it's Australia's contribution to the video a 7:27  :(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 02, 2020, 09:33:38 AM
Quote from: plusnq
How could you tell? The problem with community transmission is we have no idea where it came from.
That maybe why they want a enquiry into it.. Dig deeper - see if any of the recent passengers have had it etc...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 02, 2020, 09:53:08 AM
That maybe why they want a enquiry into it.. Dig deeper - see if any of the recent passengers have had it etc...

They will be doing that with the contact tracing anyway.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on April 02, 2020, 11:53:11 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-03-20/how-long-does-coronavirus-last-on-surfaces/12074330 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-03-20/how-long-does-coronavirus-last-on-surfaces/12074330)  maybe just maybe it was transmitted from contaminated baggage ??
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on April 02, 2020, 09:41:55 PM
;)

https://youtu.be/7UKVzr7v1gM (https://youtu.be/7UKVzr7v1gM)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 03, 2020, 05:20:37 AM
A very damning report of the World Health Organisation..

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/coronavirus-world-health-organisation-accused-of-parroting-chinese-propaganda/news-story/1b8b339912d5e5a05006925f834822b9

I think many people will view china in a different light once this virus is put to sleep...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: achjimmy on April 03, 2020, 08:11:05 AM
A very damning report of the World Health Organisation..

https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/world-economy/coronavirus-world-health-organisation-accused-of-parroting-chinese-propaganda/news-story/1b8b339912d5e5a05006925f834822b9

I think many people will view china in a different light once this virus is put to sleep...

Yup The Who like fina were pandering to the almighty Chinese dollar. The global bureaucracy's like this and the UN are just global sink holes for cash and largely ineffectual today . The sooner there gone the better.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: achjimmy on April 03, 2020, 08:12:49 AM
All of this investment advise and superannuation talk is absolutely riveting stuff......
I’m sure if I was 30 years older I’d be all over this retirement thread. ;)

As far as the coronavirus goes, there’s some shocking statistics on this site.
It’s pretty much live and you can filter by the different columns.

 https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries)

The graphs are pretty much as the models had been forecasting this thing to play out.

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200401/8ad8e2db2a88ccad865e3a1071c29c06.jpg)

Although that page has au at 28 deaths ! Thought we were at 24?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 03, 2020, 08:27:20 AM
When you look at this graph it shows that we seem to be doing pretty well, compared to many others..  Hopefully a little pain for long term gain

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 03, 2020, 08:42:48 AM
When you look at this graph it shows that we seem to be doing pretty well, compared to many others..  Hopefully a little pain for long term gain

This one is better IMO.   :cheers:

(https://i.ibb.co/m0Z0X8L/Graph.gif)

https://www.covid19data.com.au/
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 03, 2020, 09:02:39 AM
Todays Coronacast was pretty good.

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYWJjLm5ldC5hdS9yYWRpby9wcm9ncmFtcy9jb3JvbmFjYXN0L2ZlZWQvMTIwMTcyNDgvcG9kY2FzdC54bWw&episode=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYWJjLm5ldC5hdS9yYWRpby9wcm9ncmFtcy9jb3JvbmFjYXN0L3doYXQtc3lwaGlsaXMtYW5kLW1lYXNsZXMtY2FuLXRlbGwtdXMtYWJvdXQtY29yb25hdmlydXMtZW5kZ2FtZS8xMjExNjE5Mg&hl=en-AU&ved=2ahUKEwjKiqGo7MroAhX0wTgGHQhsBncQieUEegQIARAE&ep=6

or just search for:

coronacast 3 April 2020

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 03, 2020, 09:17:45 AM
Todays Coronacast was pretty good.

https://podcasts.google.com/?feed=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYWJjLm5ldC5hdS9yYWRpby9wcm9ncmFtcy9jb3JvbmFjYXN0L2ZlZWQvMTIwMTcyNDgvcG9kY2FzdC54bWw&episode=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYWJjLm5ldC5hdS9yYWRpby9wcm9ncmFtcy9jb3JvbmFjYXN0L3doYXQtc3lwaGlsaXMtYW5kLW1lYXNsZXMtY2FuLXRlbGwtdXMtYWJvdXQtY29yb25hdmlydXMtZW5kZ2FtZS8xMjExNjE5Mg&hl=en-AU&ved=2ahUKEwjKiqGo7MroAhX0wTgGHQhsBncQieUEegQIARAE&ep=6

or just search for:

coronacast 3 April 2020

 :cheers:
Interesting - is that on the ABC site?

First thing I saw was
What syphilis and measles can tell us about the coronavirus endgame
on Coronacast


LOL
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 03, 2020, 09:27:58 AM
Interesting - is that on the ABC site?


https://www.abc.net.au/radio/podcasts/

I spend a lot of time there...

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 03, 2020, 09:34:32 AM

I spend a lot of time there...


Aye!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 03, 2020, 09:35:59 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/radio/podcasts/

I spend a lot of time there...

 :cheers:

Whats wrong with listening to Kochie..?????? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 03, 2020, 09:41:31 AM
Thats fair enough too I'd say.


Prime Minister Scott Morrison says the 16,000 Australians who left the country after "do not travel" advice was issued are unlikely to "find themselves high on the list" to be returned.

The Prime Minister told radio broadcaster Alan Jones this morning he was "bewildered and frustrated" when he read the figure, which was released by the Department of Home Affairs yesterday.


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wakychapmans on April 03, 2020, 10:53:29 AM

The Prime Minister told radio broadcaster Alan Jones

at this point I ceased reading...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on April 03, 2020, 12:43:28 PM
Thats fair enough too I'd say.


Prime Minister Scott Morrison says the 16,000 Australians who left the country after "do not travel" advice was issued are unlikely to "find themselves high on the list" to be returned.

The Prime Minister told radio broadcaster Alan Jones this morning he was "bewildered and frustrated" when he read the figure, which was released by the Department of Home Affairs yesterday.


Can't be bothered re typing the info so a blatant copy and paste;

There has been a lot of criticism about 16,000 Australians who left Australia after the government WARNED against it, and amazement that 3,800 Australians left after it was actually BANNED. These have been represented as irresponsible tourists travelling on reduced airfares (the word tourist often being applied to all of them), and it has been implied that we will have to pay to bring them all home.

A lot of this is media hype (I know because I have been in this sort of situation). Nearly a million Australians travel overseas every month normally, so the 16,000 is a small percentage (1.6% of normal approx.). Some were idiots without question, but I would be surprised if that was more than a few thousand at most. Firstly - like me in the past - nearly 400,000 Australians LIVE overseas. I did so for 12 years, and I periodically came home to visit friends and family. In a situation like this, one heads "home", which for so many Australians is outside Australia. Secondly, approaching one million Australians normally fly out of Australia each month for various purposes (nearly 100,000 for business purposes), so 16,000 is really miniscule and a much larger proportion of these than normal could have been for business (including some from government). These were exempted from the warning (those who had urgent business reasons). Then as for the "amazing" 3,800 Australians who left after travel was finally banned (not just a warning), they all had to get a permit from government to do so (so were probably overseas residents still here, and travellers on urgent business, or had compassionate grounds for travel - whatever, the government considered their reasons valid, and none would have been tourists). Lastly, DFAT warnings to not travel to certain countries exist ALL the time for a number of countries, and usually have to be ignored for business purposes - some of us have jobs that require us (and Australian politicians) to travel to those countries. Much of the time these have included parts of countries like Russia, much of central Asia etc. - and if you have family still living in Lebanon or the Ukraine, you are hardly likely to never visit them again.

Not only will we be unlikely to have to pay to have them all return, it has also become obvious that many needing help overseas who are tourists, flew out BEFORE even a warning was given, and have been trying since to return.

The blame game again - we are in trouble so lets look for a scapegoat (with the media and Credlin-types driving the feeding frenzy). I have no trouble with charging anyone who can be shown to have truly been an idiot, but not others, and in practice it is cheaper not to have an investigation into each individual case but instead just give them a seat on one plane flying Australians out of any overseas country where many of them need help. Even if they have to pay for their stupidity, I would still give them a seat - stupidity should not carry a death sentence (as it may well, in parts of the Third World).
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 03, 2020, 02:14:18 PM
Can't be bothered re typing the info so a blatant copy and paste;

There has been a lot of criticism about 16,000 Australians who left Australia after the government WARNED against it, and amazement that 3,800 Australians left after it was actually BANNED. These have been represented as irresponsible tourists travelling on reduced airfares (the word tourist often being applied to all of them), and it has been implied that we will have to pay to bring them all home.

A lot of this is media hype (I know because I have been in this sort of situation). Nearly a million Australians travel overseas every month normally, so the 16,000 is a small percentage (1.6% of normal approx.). Some were idiots without question, but I would be surprised if that was more than a few thousand at most. Firstly - like me in the past - nearly 400,000 Australians LIVE overseas. I did so for 12 years, and I periodically came home to visit friends and family. In a situation like this, one heads "home", which for so many Australians is outside Australia. Secondly, approaching one million Australians normally fly out of Australia each month for various purposes (nearly 100,000 for business purposes), so 16,000 is really miniscule and a much larger proportion of these than normal could have been for business (including some from government). These were exempted from the warning (those who had urgent business reasons). Then as for the "amazing" 3,800 Australians who left after travel was finally banned (not just a warning), they all had to get a permit from government to do so (so were probably overseas residents still here, and travellers on urgent business, or had compassionate grounds for travel - whatever, the government considered their reasons valid, and none would have been tourists). Lastly, DFAT warnings to not travel to certain countries exist ALL the time for a number of countries, and usually have to be ignored for business purposes - some of us have jobs that require us (and Australian politicians) to travel to those countries. Much of the time these have included parts of countries like Russia, much of central Asia etc. - and if you have family still living in Lebanon or the Ukraine, you are hardly likely to never visit them again.

Not only will we be unlikely to have to pay to have them all return, it has also become obvious that many needing help overseas who are tourists, flew out BEFORE even a warning was given, and have been trying since to return.

The blame game again - we are in trouble so lets look for a scapegoat (with the media and Credlin-types driving the feeding frenzy). I have no trouble with charging anyone who can be shown to have truly been an idiot, but not others, and in practice it is cheaper not to have an investigation into each individual case but instead just give them a seat on one plane flying Australians out of any overseas country where many of them need help. Even if they have to pay for their stupidity, I would still give them a seat - stupidity should not carry a death sentence (as it may well, in parts of the Third World).

Source?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on April 03, 2020, 03:40:35 PM
This one is better IMO.   :cheers:

(https://i.ibb.co/m0Z0X8L/Graph.gif)

https://www.covid19data.com.au/
That one is a bit skewed with the logarithmic scale on the left. Looks like things are levelling when it is still climbing father each day.
Also try to compare absolute number with Australia and China. Should instead per per capita  per 1,000,000 people.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 03, 2020, 04:26:33 PM
http://www.mygc.com.au/aust-top-doctor-fears-global-virus-cases-actually-10-times-higher/ (http://www.mygc.com.au/aust-top-doctor-fears-global-virus-cases-actually-10-times-higher/)

"We’ve now passed a million reported cases of COVID 19,” Dr Murphy said. [worldwide!]

"We believe the true number is probably five to 10 times that"  :o :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 03, 2020, 04:30:32 PM
That one is a bit skewed with the logarithmic scale on the left. Looks like things are levelling when it is still climbing father each day.
Also try to compare absolute number with Australia and China. Should instead per per capita  per 1,000,000 people.

If it wasnt logarithmic the lower graph lines wouldnt be  noticeable, they wouldnt rise much above the bottom axis. The table would have to be 2m tall to effectively allow all data sets to be viewed.....

https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/2/21201832/novel-coronavirus-covid-19-best-graphs-tracking-data


 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 03, 2020, 04:32:15 PM
The Fiction:
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/11/814550474/missouri-sues-televangelist-jim-bakker-for-selling-fake-coronavirus-cure (https://www.npr.org/2020/03/11/814550474/missouri-sues-televangelist-jim-bakker-for-selling-fake-coronavirus-cure)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 03, 2020, 07:52:06 PM
Fact or fiction with Covid19 eh?

Well we know now for 80% this new virus strain is not a threat but with our flu season coming up what is a threat is the medical system being overrun. So the last thing it needs is a bunch of ignorant snowflakes clogging it up with your average sniffles coughs and runny noses as they have to triage you quickly and spit you off back home to get over it like so-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/im-treating-too-many-young-people-for-the-coronavirus/ar-BB11LhLQ
and like so-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/ill-only-get-tested-when-im-dying-fit-and-healthy-ex-soldier-33-says-she-was-turned-away-from-a-coronavirus-testing-centre-and-a-hospital-despite-suffering-severe-symptoms/ar-BB11QdXr

Well I'd be certain I just got over what the death defying tattooed young lady had (man was my throat on fire one night there). So why didn't I think I was going to die being in the 20 percenters and bothering the medical system like that? Because when Wuhan reared it's ugly head I'd already done my homework and had access to hard data when I came down with her symptoms and  I'm feeling like crap too. Here's a couple of videos that explain what I already knew and was prepared for-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmxcVFwn6us
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyMiSUfZtyU
Unlike the tattooed lady (who didn't even know her temp) I had no fever and my oxygen haemoglobin levels were in the healthy range so just rest up and get over it as you do.

We're coming up to the flu season folks and it could be serious one.(like the 2017-18 one in the US that bumped off 80,000 of them) If you catch a cold (due to any number of coronaviruses), pharyngitis, laryngitis or influenza all with lots of similar symptoms to Covid19 you need to know if things are getting serious with fever and oxygen levels, the latter indicating compromised lung function which could get serious. So rather than bothering the stretched medical system with your minor ailments and afflictions you need to triage yourself and nowadays every home should have those two important and inexpensive tools to do exactly that. If you don't have those you're flying blind here and you'll likely be clogging up the medical system with background noise just like they were.



Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 03, 2020, 08:59:48 PM
If you're searching the net or ebay just search 'pulse oximeter' and you'll find the small fingertip ones etc (Contec and Oled ones are fine and they all come out of China)
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Fingertip-Blood-Oxygen-Meter-OLED-Pulse-Heart-Rate-SpO2-Monitor-Oximeter-AU/283829370923

But if you have an infant you might consider one of these for the family-
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/han-held-Pulse-Oximeter-Blood-Oxygen-Monitor-SPO2-Monitor-With-Software-3-Probe/123049616746
and note the foot connection for bubs although there are supposedly the simple small ones too but whether they fit bubs is a moot point-
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pediatric-Fingertip-Pulse-Oximeter-Oxygen-SPO2-Monitor-for-Children-Kids-CMS50QA/122859975359

I know a 3 year old uses one of these because an adult one is too large for a consistent reading-
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Pulse-Oximeter-C53-Child/164094359086

I don't think you'll find any left on the shelf at chemists or onshore for that matter although with China starting up again there might be local sellers with stocks again.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 03, 2020, 09:28:47 PM
If you are buying a pulse oximeter use it when you are well to establish a baseline so that when you are unwell you have representative numbers to tell the paramedics if needed.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on April 04, 2020, 05:02:50 PM
Working from home for a tradie.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200404/3d4e725fbde9240793e1c14809a9eb8c.jpg)
Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on April 04, 2020, 08:49:09 PM
I’ve been reading and hearing some stories recently about people abusing nurses for wearing their uniforms in public.

 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8183873/Drastic-new-rules-nurses-follow-thugs-continue-hurl-sickening-abuse-them.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8183873/Drastic-new-rules-nurses-follow-thugs-continue-hurl-sickening-abuse-them.html)

Obviously this is completely unacceptable and should never be tolerated in our society.
Not only because of the awesome job our nurses and medical staff do to help all of us, but mostly because it’s not their fault they have to wear the uniforms in public.

Many hospitals in Australia don’t give the staff an option to have their uniforms correctly cleaned with the rest of the contaminated goods from the wards (sheets, towels, blankets, scrubs, etc).
Some hospitals don’t even offer proper amenities for staff to clean up and get changed out of their contaminated uniforms (most do, but some don’t). Meaning the staff are forced to walk out of the hospital and hop in a bus or train, potentially exposing all of the innocent public to any number of infections (not just coronavirus) and take their uniforms home to wash with all of their other clothes.

It has been proven many times that domestic washing of healthcare uniforms is one of the primary cause of healthcare associated infections.
Uniforms improperly washed at home can cause secondary such infections. Meaning if uniforms washed at home don’t meet the strict disinfection criteria that industrial washing does, the uniform can recontaminate clean hands.

So it’s partly because of the hospitals and partly because of tax incentives for doing their laundry at home, that these poor hard working nurses are put into this terrible position that we see today.

Australia and the UK are the last few countries that still allow frontline healthcare workers to leave hospitals in their uniforms (or at least get changed and take their uniforms home) to be washed in uncontrolled environments.

Europe has had strict controls over all healthcare uniforms for many years and in general their secondary infection rates are substantially lower then ours.

So personally, I don’t blame anyone for giving people wearing healthcare uniforms in public a wide birth, but please don’t ever let them be abused.

If you want to shout at someone, your local MP has an email address. ;)
Ask them why they are allowing these uniforms out into the public and not keeping them in the hospitals with all of the other contaminated items.
I’m sure they’ll all love to hear how you think they shouldn’t let these overworked healthcare staff expose the public to this unnecessary risk.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on April 04, 2020, 09:33:04 PM
Spot on Pete ..  Knowing the hard work / hours these people do,  the last thing they need at the end of a long shift is someone abusing them for something that is out of their control .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 05, 2020, 06:47:33 AM
If you want to shout at someone, your local MP has an email address. ;)

Agree with you entirely regarding the problem, Pete, but changing the subject ...

Over the years, I've seen any number of mentions on here about contacting the Minister / MP / whichever pollie about "this" problem.

Has anybody that has done so ever had a response ???

Over these last few weeks, I've sent 3 e-mails off, one to the State Police Minister, 2 to our Fed MP, about 3 different matters.

I got an automatic response from the Police Minister saying that the message has been received but please reply to this message with your full name, address & phone number :o - why ??? Nothing at all from our MP though :'(

Yeah, sure, things certainly aren't normal at present, & they're possibly all utterly overwhelmed with incoming messages ???, but I would expect at least an acknowledgement ??? ::)

What's everybody else's experience ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 05, 2020, 07:35:01 AM
Where do we put something that's a factual article about people worried about something fictional ???

It seems hard to believe people are actually this stupid :o, but https://www.imore.com/uk-engineers-threatened-and-5g-masts-burned-coronavirus-conspiracy-theorists (https://www.imore.com/uk-engineers-threatened-and-5g-masts-burned-coronavirus-conspiracy-theorists)

& as it says up the top of that page: Stop the world. I want to get off :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on April 05, 2020, 08:05:59 AM


Has anybody that has done so ever had a response ???

Yes, but the provess varies depending on the type of communication. (Caveat- this info is a few years old, ond processes may have changed) Email is fine for general communications with an MP, but for a formal enquiry it needs to be a posted letter. An email can be recieved, read, and deleted without any formal control's. A written letter is noted as recieved correspondence, a record kept in a register, and there is an obligation in the MP to respond, which is recorded as outgoing correspondence. That process may have changed though?
I have recieved replies to emails from our state member, but those communications have been of a general nature, not formal.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 05, 2020, 10:49:05 AM
If you are just sharing your opinion, I wouldn't expect a reply, if you pose it as a question then you are more likely to get a reply, BUT in terms of policy in regards to health workers uniforms, I wouldn't expect the local MP to know off the top of his head, and the people he would normally go too for an answer might be a bit busy at the moment.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 05, 2020, 12:39:31 PM
If you are just sharing your opinion, I wouldn't expect a reply, if you pose it as a question then you are more likely to get a reply, BUT in terms of policy in regards to health workers uniforms, I wouldn't expect the local MP to know off the top of his head, and the people he would normally go too for an answer might be a bit busy at the moment.

Fair enough TA.

Nothing concerning health worker uniforms! ;D

Police Minister was concerning participation requirements for firearms licenses, asking / suggestig that they be eased or removed completely for this year.

First Fed MP message was a question / suggestion re Centrelink obligations - fair enough, not her area, but I'd still like (& expect!) a simple acknowledgement that my message was at least received; 2nd was the suggestion that I mentioned here that now would be a great time to build up our fuel reserves, & seeing that she is the Minister for Industry etc, that is her area!  ::) ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Snow on April 05, 2020, 01:24:49 PM
Hey all. Once again I am having to put the broom through a Thread. This is not good and my eye is on a some antagonistic members. If I see folk at each others throats again they will be getting a holiday from the board. This is especially a time to be mindful of what is said.
The forum rules of conduct are posted for every-one to read. I suggest folk go and brush up bufore I do some brooming out.  >:( >:( :police:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on April 05, 2020, 02:06:24 PM
Hey all. Once again I am having to put the broom through a Thread. This is not good and my eye is on a some antagonistic members. If I see folk at each others throats again they will be getting a holiday from the board. This is especially a time to be mindful of what is said.
The forum rules of conduct are posted for every-one to read. I suggest folk go and brush up bufore I do some brooming out.  >:( >:( :police:
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 05, 2020, 02:25:53 PM
Fair enough TA.

Nothing concerning health worker uniforms! ;D

Police Minister was concerning participation requirements for firearms licenses, asking / suggestig that they be eased or removed completely for this year.

First Fed MP message was a question / suggestion re Centrelink obligations - fair enough, not her area, but I'd still like (& expect!) a simple acknowledgement that my message was at least received; 2nd was the suggestion that I mentioned here that now would be a great time to build up our fuel reserves, & seeing that she is the Minister for Industry etc, that is her area!  ::) ;D

Not trying to discourage involvement, too many like to whinge from the sideline but won't even take the simplest steps to try to actually change something.

A standard reply acknowledging receipt  I think  should be the minimum response you should get though. In regards to the fuel supply, I think it is an issue that they know about but is probably in the too hard basket and no votes in it. My guess is that it would be a few year exercise though to get permanent storage in place.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on April 05, 2020, 02:41:12 PM
Hey all. Once again I am having to put the broom through a Thread. This is not good and my eye is on a some antagonistic members. If I see folk at each others throats again they will be getting a holiday from the board. This is especially a time to be mindful of what is said.
The forum rules of conduct are posted for every-one to read. I suggest folk go and brush up bufore I do some brooming out.  >:( >:( :police:

As Snow pointed out, lets play fair and to the normal rules. Times are hard enough at the moment without the extra trolling and tit for tat. The last time we had a dot painting episode we through out the problems, same rule applies for all.

Mods are watching  :police:

GG
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: 3rd time lucky on April 05, 2020, 03:08:50 PM
As Snow pointed out, lets play fair and to the normal rules. Times are hard enough at the moment without the extra trolling and tit for tat. The last time we had a dot painting episode we through out the problems, same rule applies for all.

Mods are watching  :police:

GG
My next home project was gonna be dot paint art. Guess I better rethink that......
 ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: MarkGU on April 05, 2020, 03:15:21 PM
My next home project was gonna be dot paint art. Guess I better rethink that......
 ;D
We hope its better than your rego plate fixing skills  :P
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 05, 2020, 04:04:37 PM
My next home project was gonna be dot paint art. Guess I better rethink that......
 ;D

What, so you're going to dot paint the entire house ???

Inside & out ???

Sounds amazing ;D

(Although maybe we should move this to "Cabin Fever" ??? ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: 3rd time lucky on April 05, 2020, 04:22:46 PM
We hope its better than your rego plate fixing skills  :P
Comedians abound....but Jerry Seinfeld need not feel threatened by lame efforts such as this.....
🤣🤣🤣🤣🍺🍻🍻🏆👏
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: 3rd time lucky on April 05, 2020, 04:24:19 PM
What, so you're going to dot paint the entire house ???

Inside & out ???

Sounds amazing ;D

(Although maybe we should move this to "Cabin Fever" ??? ;D
No, I was actually thinking of doing a canvas at home,  on my computer of course and not for real, and then selling it to unsuspecting myswag members.....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: filcar on April 05, 2020, 05:36:04 PM
Looks like there are still a lot of people that don't get it ...

https://www.facebook.com/DrBradRobinson/photos/a.117432248440819/1407027526147945/?type=3&theater
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on April 05, 2020, 06:23:11 PM
Looks like there are still a lot of people that don't get it ...

https://www.facebook.com/DrBradRobinson/photos/a.117432248440819/1407027526147945/?type=3&theater

Just like the victorian police checked on 300 forced isolation cases.....99 weren't home !!

I think they should put a ban on any exercise outside your own property...no surfing, no beaches, no shopping centres, and shopping for food restricted to one person per household.
People just don't give a sh*t about anyone except themselves.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on April 05, 2020, 06:30:31 PM


People just don't give a sh*t about anyone except themselves.
This has been evident from the very start.
:(

Hey, btw take care.


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 05, 2020, 06:43:57 PM
Just like the victorian police checked on 300 forced isolation cases.....99 weren't home !!

I think they should put a ban on any exercise outside your own property...no surfing, no beaches, no shopping centres, and shopping for food restricted to one person per household.
People just don't give a sh*t about anyone except themselves.

Just read that..390 checked and over a quarter were out....Simple solution.  Pay the $1600 fine and self isolation begins again from the day you got caught... Do it again and you get to self isolate in a prison cell for 28days plus another $1600 fine.  People think this is some sort of a game....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 05, 2020, 06:48:05 PM
Sums it up
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: 3rd time lucky on April 05, 2020, 07:42:31 PM
As a result of the content of this thread, and the lack of action taken bybmyswag mods, i am quitting  tbis forum for the last time.
To those I have conversed with over the years I bid you all a fond farewell  and best wishes.
To those few that I have had the privilege of meeting, I sincerely hope and trust that we will x paths again. Levuka 2021 is  non negotiable.
To Every One else - I hope myswag benefits u and band u enrich it.
Adios all.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 05, 2020, 10:20:33 PM
Comedians abound....but Jerry Seinfeld need not feel threatened by lame efforts such as this.....
🤣🤣🤣🤣🍺🍻🍻🏆👏
Essendon will make the top 8 this season :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 05, 2020, 10:22:10 PM
Remember the Mods are volunteers and this isnt their full time gig.

if theres a problem - click the report Moderator button on the right hand side of the offending post..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on April 05, 2020, 11:46:23 PM
Interesting take on how Sweden is handling the outbreak ..
 latest figures show their rates to be dropping similar to ours atm
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/04/03/spring-has-sprung-in-sweden-with-no-coronavirus-quarantine-or-police-enforced-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR0uJLFt9P9d0s8dZhNJw7YXVfWNXcVuGqHzi7F_cFM-DtTjflbiD1iQu_o (https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/04/03/spring-has-sprung-in-sweden-with-no-coronavirus-quarantine-or-police-enforced-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR0uJLFt9P9d0s8dZhNJw7YXVfWNXcVuGqHzi7F_cFM-DtTjflbiD1iQu_o)   No lock downs just head the warnings ..
One thing in their favour I'm guessing is that they have a different mindset to instruction, due to most everyone having been millitary trained on an ongoing basis . just my .02c worth .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Paddler Ed on April 06, 2020, 03:26:51 AM
Interesting take on how Sweden is handling the outbreak ..
 latest figures show their rates to be dropping similar to ours atm
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/04/03/spring-has-sprung-in-sweden-with-no-coronavirus-quarantine-or-police-enforced-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR0uJLFt9P9d0s8dZhNJw7YXVfWNXcVuGqHzi7F_cFM-DtTjflbiD1iQu_o (https://www.collective-evolution.com/2020/04/03/spring-has-sprung-in-sweden-with-no-coronavirus-quarantine-or-police-enforced-lockdown/?fbclid=IwAR0uJLFt9P9d0s8dZhNJw7YXVfWNXcVuGqHzi7F_cFM-DtTjflbiD1iQu_o)   No lock downs just head the warnings ..
One thing in their favour I'm guessing is that they have a different mindset to instruction, due to most everyone having been millitary trained on an ongoing basis . just my .02c worth .

I think you've confused Sweden and Switzerland there with the military service.

The Swedes tend to be much more community minded.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: KeithB on April 06, 2020, 04:42:05 AM
Sweden has a population of about 10 million compared with Australia's 25 million. Please correct me if I am wrong on these numbers.
Sweden has had 6,830 cases and 401 deaths compared with 5,677 cases and 41 deaths in Australia,
This makes the Swedish infection rate three times that of Australia and a death rate from the virus 24 times higher than Australia.
I think I know where I'd rather be.
Keith
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 06, 2020, 05:36:44 AM
Sweden has a population of about 10 million compared with Australia's 25 million. Please correct me if I am wrong on these numbers.
Sweden has had 6,830 cases and 401 deaths compared with 5,677 cases and 41 deaths in Australia,
This makes the Swedish infection rate three times that of Australia and a death rate from the virus 24 times higher than Australia.
I think I know where I'd rather be.
Keith

I think we are in the best place on earth during this crisis.  We could smash this virus if we could only get the stupid, the selfish and the downright ignorant to pull their weight.
With 500 toilet rolls in the larder, 50kg of rice and 50kg of flour, 200 home made face masks and a weekly shopping visit to a crowded Brisbane market I reckon I,m safe enough.... :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 06, 2020, 07:07:31 AM
I think we are in the best place on earth during this crisis.  We could smash this virus if we could only get the stupid, the selfish and the downright ignorant to pull their weight.
With 500 toilet rolls in the larder, 50kg of rice and 50kg of flour, 200 home made face masks and a weekly shopping visit to a crowded Brisbane market I reckon I,m safe enough.... :-[ :-[ :-[

Did you miss your invitation to the car rally ?
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-it-was-inexcusable-police-fine-58-drivers-77000-at-huge-car-rally/news-story/c44290cae79f56969f64fc2d3fad0d00
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 06, 2020, 07:19:39 AM
Did you miss your invitation to the car rally ?
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/coronavirus-it-was-inexcusable-police-fine-58-drivers-77000-at-huge-car-rally/news-story/c44290cae79f56969f64fc2d3fad0d00

Nah mate...was at a rave party with 30 of my mates. :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: jclures on April 06, 2020, 07:20:12 AM
I do not understand what people are doing, they must just think of themselves, and not the community as a whole.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 06, 2020, 07:21:45 AM
Its going to be interesting to see how the murder investigation pans out with the Ruby Princess cruise ship.  Guarantee there will be worldwide legal cases brought against individuals, companies, countries and anyone else who may have a few bob....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on April 06, 2020, 07:27:54 AM
I think you've confused Sweden and Switzerland there with the military service.




Going by what I know / read they had compulsory Millitary service up till 2010,  then cut it out to voluntary till 2017 , When compulsory service was reinstated ..
 Buggered up on the population # ##  though, They seem to be happy tackling this virus the way theyre doing it, guess if that works for them thats their deal ....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on April 06, 2020, 07:50:56 AM
I do not understand what people are doing, they must just think of themselves, and not the community as a whole.
You are correct in thinking that.
The problem is, they don't believe it is them that is the problem.
:(

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 06, 2020, 08:30:05 AM
Local news here the other night, the reporter was talking to two French backpackers (girls, mid-20s) in the middle of Suffering Parasites.

"When did you arrive in Qld?" "Just before the border was closed completely" (3 ? days ago)

"So aren't you supposed to be isolating for 14 days?" "We don't need to, we're not sick"

"& what if the Police come to check up on you?" "They don't know where we are, because we just made up an address when they asked us!" (laughing)

Well thank you very bloody much >:(

& the reporter should have immediately gone to the :police: & told them the story!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on April 06, 2020, 08:45:38 AM
I do not understand what people are doing, they must just think of themselves, and not the community as a whole.
You are correct in thinking that.
The problem is, they don't believe it is them that is the problem.
:(

I know I'll get attacked for this....
But you guys do realize that is exactly what the younger generation have been saying about baby boomers in the climate change debate..??

Not trying to start a fight, just making an observation.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on April 06, 2020, 09:31:20 AM
I know I'll get attacked for this....
But you guys do realize that is exactly what the younger generation have been saying about baby boomers in the climate change debate..??

Not trying to start a fight, just making an observation.
If you're not trying to start a fight why are you throwing grenades ?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 06, 2020, 09:45:53 AM
So is this a game changer? People were saying animals can't get it - but isnt that where it started...
Now this.

Quote
NEW YORK (AP) — A tiger at the Bronx Zoo has tested positive for the new coronavirus, in what is believed to be the first known infection in an animal in the U.S. or a tiger anywhere, federal officials and the zoo said Sunday.

The 4-year-old Malayan tiger named Nadia — and six other tigers and lions that have also fallen ill — are believed to have been infected by a zoo employee who wasn't yet showing symptoms, the zoo said. The first animal started showing symptoms March 27, and all are doing well and expected to recover, said the zoo, which has been closed to the public since March 16 amid the surging coronavirus outbreak in New York.


https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/05/tiger-nycs-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-coronavirus/ (https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/05/tiger-nycs-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-coronavirus/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 06, 2020, 11:42:04 AM
You'd have to wonder how the keeper passed it on to them ???

Don't think you pat & cuddle lions & tigers all that much ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on April 06, 2020, 11:47:31 AM
I know I'll get attacked for this....
But you guys do realize that is exactly what the younger generation have been saying about baby boomers in the climate change debate..??

Not trying to start a fight, just making an observation.
Probably goes to the heart of “what affects me now” vs “what is going to affect me or my descendants later”!


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wakychapmans on April 06, 2020, 12:30:22 PM
So is this a game changer? People were saying animals can't get it - but isnt that where it started...
Now this.

please try to keep up Bird...

regular people can't catch it from tigers... just Joe Exotic.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 06, 2020, 12:53:03 PM
please try to keep up Bird...

regular people can't catch it from tigers... just Joe Exotic.
Im new at this :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: sharkcaver on April 06, 2020, 01:58:55 PM
So is this a game changer? People were saying animals can't get it - but isnt that where it started...
Now this.

There was reports a month ago of 2 dogs that supposedly died of Cov19. One in honkers, one in china I believe. The owners would not allow an autopsy to be performed, so I am calling BS on that story until more evidence is provided.

The tiger, being in a western country, one would hope will be tested and confirmed/denied. If sars-cov19 mutates to be able to spread to other species (there are now 2 strains affecting the human population), then life on this earth is seriously threatened. Global warming is the least of our concerns.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jillsy on April 07, 2020, 04:52:11 AM
G'day Swaggers,

To say I am disappointed in the content some Members have been posting these past few days is an understatment  >:(.  This is definately not the Myswag we know and love.

For a group of so called adults, there is a some absolutely childish behaviour going on.

The Admins and Moderators have lives (and jobs still if they're lucky).  They also have elderly and/or susceptible loved ones that they are trying to protect, at-risk friends (and by at risk I mean at risk of suicide, at risk of losing everything, at risk of catching this awful virus etc) as well as children/grand children that they are trying to shepherd through this uncertain time.  The last thing they want to have to deal with is small minded, arrogant, self-absorbed keyboard warriors who are acting their shoe size rather than their age.  In short - grow the *insert expletive here* up!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion however, if any Member can't express their opinion respectfully or can't respectfully debate with someone, that Members is kindly asked to spend their time elsewhere. Rant over.





Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: SJindustries on April 07, 2020, 04:55:22 AM
Well said Jillsy  :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: shakey55 on April 07, 2020, 07:38:52 AM
G'day Swaggers,

To say I am disappointed in the content some Members have been posting these past few days is an understatment  >:(.  This is definately not the Myswag we know and love.

For a group of so called adults, there is a some absolutely childish behaviour going on.

The Admins and Moderators have lives (and jobs still if they're lucky).  They also have elderly and/or susceptible loved ones that they are trying to protect, at-risk friends (and by at risk I mean at risk of suicide, at risk of losing everything, at risk of catching this awful virus etc) as well as children/grand children that they are trying to shepherd through this uncertain time.  The last thing they want to have to deal with is small minded, arrogant, self-absorbed keyboard warriors who are acting their shoe size rather than their age.  In short - grow the *insert expletive here* up!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion however, if any Member can't express their opinion respectfully or can't respectfully debate with someone, that Members is kindly asked to spend their time elsewhere. Rant over.
Absolute gem of a reply Jillsy

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 07, 2020, 10:20:26 AM
G'day Swaggers,

To say I am disappointed in the content some Members have been posting these past few days is an understatment  >:(.  This is definately not the Myswag we know and love.

For a group of so called adults, there is a some absolutely childish behaviour going on.

The Admins and Moderators have lives (and jobs still if they're lucky).  They also have elderly and/or susceptible loved ones that they are trying to protect, at-risk friends (and by at risk I mean at risk of suicide, at risk of losing everything, at risk of catching this awful virus etc) as well as children/grand children that they are trying to shepherd through this uncertain time.  The last thing they want to have to deal with is small minded, arrogant, self-absorbed keyboard warriors who are acting their shoe size rather than their age.  In short - grow the *insert expletive here* up!

Everyone is entitled to their opinion however, if any Member can't express their opinion respectfully or can't respectfully debate with someone, that Members is kindly asked to spend their time elsewhere. Rant over.
Maybe since the forum has grown so much over time, maybe a few more moderators to help share the load would be an idea.
theres plenty of good people out there. Theres one who hasnt been on here since 2017. As I posted few days ago, its not fair on the current crop.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on April 07, 2020, 12:27:21 PM
Maybe since the forum has grown so much over time, maybe a few more moderators to help share the load would be an idea.
theres plenty of good people out there. Theres one who hasnt been on here since 2017. As I posted few days ago, its not fair on the current crop.
Are you putting your hand up Bird?


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 07, 2020, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: rockrat
Are you putting your hand up Bird?
No thanks

but there are good people here that would be good at it...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: doc evil on April 07, 2020, 01:15:35 PM
No thanks

but there are good people here that would be good at it...

Extremely well said Jillsy.

Was a mod on the old Overlander forum............not a job I'd want to do again. Too many kids in the sandpit......... ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 07, 2020, 01:52:17 PM
Quote from: doc evil
Too many kids in the sandpit......... ;D

its even worse when the kids get the keys to the whole gig... destroys forums overnite!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on April 07, 2020, 02:12:09 PM
https://www.2gb.com/australia-urged-to-consider-exit-strategy-if-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-slow/?fbclid=IwAR2a9wtZnAbI_ZqHZxCUw2wX3RDF8cqoCBFntpJj48t5gJzlKjwp495LG6Q (https://www.2gb.com/australia-urged-to-consider-exit-strategy-if-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-slow/?fbclid=IwAR2a9wtZnAbI_ZqHZxCUw2wX3RDF8cqoCBFntpJj48t5gJzlKjwp495LG6Q)   .. Some very valid points .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 07, 2020, 02:47:11 PM
https://www.2gb.com/australia-urged-to-consider-exit-strategy-if-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-slow/?fbclid=IwAR2a9wtZnAbI_ZqHZxCUw2wX3RDF8cqoCBFntpJj48t5gJzlKjwp495LG6Q (https://www.2gb.com/australia-urged-to-consider-exit-strategy-if-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-slow/?fbclid=IwAR2a9wtZnAbI_ZqHZxCUw2wX3RDF8cqoCBFntpJj48t5gJzlKjwp495LG6Q)   .. Some very valid points .

Made it as far as the third sentence....   ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 07, 2020, 03:01:46 PM
https://www.2gb.com/australia-urged-to-consider-exit-strategy-if-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-slow/ (https://www.2gb.com/australia-urged-to-consider-exit-strategy-if-coronavirus-cases-continue-to-slow/)   .. Some very valid points .
his shares are going down.... man of economics...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on April 07, 2020, 03:39:56 PM
its even worse when the kids get the keys to the whole gig... destroys forums overnite!

Agree with that!!....

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on April 07, 2020, 04:45:00 PM
Made it as far as the third sentence....   ;D
You're a better man then me.
I only made it as far as loading the header on the webpage.....  :-*
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 07, 2020, 04:51:39 PM
You're a better man then me.
I only made it as far as loading the header on the webpage.....  :-*

Same here.  We are into the beginning of an unknown and potentially  a disastrous event both financially and health wise.   Exit strategy would already be on the horizon and the govt knows a little bit more than overpaid Shitlips.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 07, 2020, 04:55:59 PM
Way too early to start discussing exit strategies, because as soon as they do, a fair slab of the population is going to say "It's all over", immediately start doing the wrong thing, & Bang, here we go again :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on April 07, 2020, 05:46:39 PM
Way too early to start discussing exit strategies, because as soon as they do, a fair slab of the population is going to say "It's all over", immediately start doing the wrong thing, & Bang, here we go again :'(
Sounds like pretty reasonable words to me. Nothing inflammatory or over the top. Not suggesting an end to restrictions now. Just saying we need to have a balanced approach.

“We should start planning for the exit from this period of restrictions, which are both extremely costly economically and obviously inflict a lot of hardship on people.

“We do need strong measures that will prevent the spread of COVID-19.

“At the same time, we have to be careful not to go overboard.”
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 07, 2020, 05:58:43 PM
Way too early to start discussing exit strategies, because as soon as they do, a fair slab of the population is going to say "It's all over", immediately start doing the wrong thing, & Bang, here we go again :'(

The govt would already be working towards an exit strategy.  That is why we are drip feeding the economy. They will have a goal in mind of where they would like to see the economy in 6 months, 12 months etc. As I,ve said before....we are just at the start..time that everyone should be doing the right thing. Couple of weeks at home and some people seem to think they have been locked up in a POW camp..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pottsy on April 07, 2020, 06:47:17 PM
I think the majority of people are doing the right thing as these figures would show.
 https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/04/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_3.pdf (https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/04/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_3.pdf)

We still have a considerable way to go before this is over but we are at least heading in the right direction.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on April 07, 2020, 08:20:26 PM
I think the majority of people are doing the right thing as these figures would show.
 https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/04/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_3.pdf (https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2020/04/coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-coronavirus-covid-19-at-a-glance-infographic_3.pdf)

We still have a considerable way to go before this is over but we are at least heading in the right direction.
Yes we are doing better then other countries.
And thst is great to see.

I don't believe many have any idea how good we have it.
I hope we ALL learn from this.
To be honest, to be the best you can, no BS, think about the people around you.
Sure we all have a difference of opinion, if you have a difference to that, don't be a dick about it, simple. As the saying goes, if you have nothing good to say, keep your mouth shut.

People are struggling, many have great fears, sadly some see the only end, Is not being here.
Take care, and take care of each other.
Thanks.


Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: filcar on April 07, 2020, 08:43:21 PM
No one can say Luke let's an opportunity slip ...

https://www.drifta.com.au/product/face-mask/?utm_source=Drifta+News&utm_campaign=e230acd479-April_2020_Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_5eec074d9c-e230acd479-225497833&mc_cid=e230acd479&mc_eid=d467472fd1
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: JusyApples on April 07, 2020, 09:58:00 PM
No one can say Luke let's an opportunity slip ...

https://www.drifta.com.au/product/face-mask/?utm_source=Drifta+News&utm_campaign=e230acd479-April_2020_Newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_5eec074d9c-e230acd479-225497833&mc_cid=e230acd479&mc_eid=d467472fd1
Little off topic but curious to know why he’s ceasing production of his campers


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on April 07, 2020, 11:00:56 PM
This was his post on Facebook. Seems he was reducing his risk in preparation of the forthcoming economic downturn.

hey guys . bit of news , bit of sad news . we basically going to finish up building new DOTs, at least for the moment . wen exactly we finish up, i haven’t quiet decided. we are not running out of money for DOT, this is not the reason , so don panic : )
decision made a few days ago. putting things in place now .
all current orders will continue as planned , we have notified existing customers , so no changes to builds , will continue and be completed.
at this stage , we have over 30 quotes ‘on the go’. so i think we’ll continue to take orders possibly up to Easter. but after Easter we won’t take any further DOT orders.
Warranty and servicing will continue as before. we will make provisions for ongoing warranty, repairs and servicing. simple upgrades also is fine, to existing DOTs.
we will consider DOT retro fits up until Easter, after that , large DOT retro fit conversions ie to WUHT’s i’m not sure.
so, anyone keen on a DOT, still some chance to get an order in. have about 3-4 weeks to place a deposit.
in business there are always many reasons why things happen, but there has been a couple of things happen recently that forced my hand and resulted in this decision.
once we have finished our last DOT , in 2-3 months time, i plan to move our dispatch / retail up into the DOT shed. they need more room and DOT has about twice as much room.
Drawers and drawer fitouts are very busy, they also need more room so they will move into the old dispatch area, giving us more flexibility in handling more fitouts .
so basically, DOT is a very difficult business to run. takes up much of my time and energy. we are struggling with low sales for a while now, for several reasons , and also the DOT factory struggling to make the profit needed to pay some loans coming due next year. drawers and retail are going great, need more room, and if i didn’t do this change i’d have to build another big factory extension, which i don’t really have the energy for atm.
so that’s what’s happening over the coming weeks / months . it is possible, after things have changed around and settled down, say in 6 months time, we may reconsider DOT, possible we get the trailer base fabricated in Newcastle and we just do the fitout, as we did for the first 25 DOTs 8 years ago : )
i spent the day talking to staff , then we notified existing customers , now i’m letting u guys know : )
best to set things straight , so everyone knows exactly what’s happening.
we built 400 Australian made camping trailers. i think that’s a pretty good achievement : )
any questions i’ll try to answer best i can if u have any. thanks guys , L
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Post by: Bigfish on April 08, 2020, 07:36:23 AM
Here is a bit of hope for a quicker ending to the virus.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/health/medical/a-potential-coronavirus-vaccine-funded-by-bill-gates-is-set-to-begin-testing-in-people-with-the-first-patient-expected-to-get-it-today/ar-BB12dR8L?ocid=ob-fb-enau-307&fbclid=IwAR26Uh7kmjKbVWdFz8mnWyzg22GstXJfALL3U_KTzMmnQMhpNoOiYQ-RWAY
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Post by: Bigfish on April 08, 2020, 07:46:51 AM
mmmm
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Beachman on April 08, 2020, 09:30:00 AM
On the news this morning they mentioned the government are having discussions about relaxing the Social Distancing rules which will hopefully allow people to develop their own immunity.

They are saying that a vaccine is a minimum 12 months away and they are struggling to inforce the social distancing rules now, so in 6,10,12 months it’s going to be even harder to enforce.  But I also believe the Government knows they can’t financially support Australia for 12 months.

When this virus first made the headlines a few Dr’s said just let it run its course (IE: high death toll, but short lived) but they were ridiculed. That may still happen.

Hopefully they find a vaccine sooner that later, but the longer this goes on then the higher the chance of the above happening.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 08, 2020, 10:38:19 AM
On the news this morning they mentioned the government are having discussions about relaxing the Social Distancing rules which will hopefully allow people to develop their own immunity.

They are saying that a vaccine is a minimum 12 months away and they are struggling to inforce the social distancing rules now, so in 6,10,12 months it’s going to be even harder to enforce.  But I also believe the Government knows they can’t financially support Australia for 12 months.

When this virus first made the headlines a few Dr’s said just let it run its course (IE: high death toll, but short lived) but they were ridiculed. That may still happen.

Hopefully they find a vaccine sooner that later, but the longer this goes on then the higher the chance of the above happening.

There was some billionaire in paper this morning saying he will give 1/4 of his wealth to research the vaccine.. just hope its money better spent than the cancer research

https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/twitter-billionaire-pledges-quarter-of-his-wealth-to-combat-covid-19-20200408-p54i3o.html (https://www.theage.com.au/business/companies/twitter-billionaire-pledges-quarter-of-his-wealth-to-combat-covid-19-20200408-p54i3o.html)
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Post by: Rodt on April 08, 2020, 10:42:49 AM
On the news this morning they mentioned the government are having discussions about relaxing the Social Distancing rules which will hopefully allow people to develop their own immunity.

They are saying that a vaccine is a minimum 12 months away and they are struggling to inforce the social distancing rules now, so in 6,10,12 months it’s going to be even harder to enforce.  But I also believe the Government knows they can’t financially support Australia for 12 months.

When this virus first made the headlines a few Dr’s said just let it run its course (IE: high death toll, but short lived) but they were ridiculed. That may still happen.

Hopefully they find a vaccine sooner that later, but the longer this goes on then the higher the chance of the above happening.

That's interesting as that was the UK (ie: Boris Johnson was very vocal) response wasn't it and look what has happened to him

All unknown territory though so who knows what is right
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: KeithB on April 08, 2020, 11:20:23 AM
On the news this morning they mentioned the government are having discussions about relaxing the Social Distancing rules which will hopefully allow people to develop their own immunity.

Doesn't developing our own immunity mean we have to catch the disease first? There are two problems with this.
Firstly a likely death rate of 1 per cent which means 250,000 Australians might well die.
Secondly nobody can say how long acquired immunity will last.

Keith
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Post by: Bird on April 08, 2020, 11:23:23 AM
Quote from: KeithB
Secondly nobody can say how long acquired immunity will last.

The reports and stuff are very quiet on those that have "over come" the disease.... You dont hear anything at all about it... Maybe you can catch it many times over many months/weeks/years... ??
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Post by: tryagain on April 08, 2020, 01:38:30 PM
Doesn't developing our own immunity mean we have to catch the disease first? There are two problems with this.
Firstly a likely death rate of 1 per cent which means 250,000 Australians might well die.
Secondly nobody can say how long acquired immunity will last.

Keith

50-60% infection rate would then create herd immunity, ie there wouldn't be enough new people for the disease to keep spreading too. If you then kept those in the highest risk categories (over 60 and immunocompromised) under tighter social distancing measures, and then make sure those who get it in a bad way have access to quality care you might keep the casualties to 20,000. It's not a great outcome, but likely the least worse option at the moment.

Once you have had it, your body has immunity to that strain, if it mutates then we are back at the beginning, but that will likely be the same case for a vaccine as well.

There is no guarantee that there will be a vaccine, and if so when it would be available, but the testing phase takes about a year. I have heard testing a vaccine likened to growing corn, doesn't matter how much money you throw at it, how many crops you plant, it is still going to take the same time.
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Post by: glenm64 on April 08, 2020, 01:48:17 PM
SARS broke out in 2002, and there's no vaccine to date.

Cheers Glen

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Post by: KeithB on April 08, 2020, 03:41:25 PM
My long suffering wife has come up with what I think is a sensible suggestion.
To make shopping in the supermarkets a bit safer, why not make all the aisleways one way. You'd still go up and down the aisles as normally and could skip aisles if you wanted to.
This would minimise contact between the punters and give a better chance of 1.5 metres separation.
Keith
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Post by: Fizzie on April 08, 2020, 03:48:46 PM
Great idea!
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Post by: Champin on April 08, 2020, 03:58:24 PM
I went into a fairly large Gippsland town yesterday  ( first time out in 12 days) and it was like business as usual. You wouldn't know there was a lockdown goinig on at all. Looks like not everyone is getting the message.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rockrat on April 08, 2020, 04:20:22 PM
My long suffering wife has come up with what I think is a sensible suggestion.
To make shopping in the supermarkets a bit safer, why not make all the aisleways one way. You'd still go up and down the aisles as normally and could skip aisles if you wanted to.
This would minimise contact between the punters and give a better chance of 1.5 metres separation.
Keith
Good idea but when I was at Bunnings the other day, people obviously had trouble counting. Signs said no more than 4 per aisle, yeah right!

The missus was pretty funny though - she gave a few a bit of stick with lines like “hey sweety, can you help your dad count to four?”


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Post by: Bird on April 08, 2020, 04:38:24 PM
Quote from: Champin
I went into a fairly large Gippsland town yesterday  ( first time out in 12 days) and it was like business as usual. You wouldn't know there was a lockdown goinig on at all. Looks like not everyone is getting the message.
Sounds like you could have gone to Aspen  ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on April 08, 2020, 05:44:32 PM
Sounds like you could have gone to Aspen  ;)
Straight through to the keeper

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 08, 2020, 05:47:45 PM
Straight through to the keeper
peeps not gettin message
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/throw-the-book-at-them-health-minister-addresses-aspen-controversy-20200331-p54frd.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/throw-the-book-at-them-health-minister-addresses-aspen-controversy-20200331-p54frd.html)
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Post by: Champin on April 08, 2020, 06:05:49 PM
peeps not gettin message
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/throw-the-book-at-them-health-minister-addresses-aspen-controversy-20200331-p54frd.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/throw-the-book-at-them-health-minister-addresses-aspen-controversy-20200331-p54frd.html)
Righto. Got it. I never done been accused of being overly intelligent.

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Post by: Bird on April 08, 2020, 06:15:21 PM
Confusion continues....

Queen Vic Market and many otehr weekend markets are OPEN ??? ??? you seen how packed markets get?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on April 08, 2020, 06:46:33 PM
Who is making these crazy rules. No wonder Joe and Jane Blow are confused. Do they want us to isolate or don't they? If they are going to fine a few people getting togetther but the allow a huge market to go ahead then what?
I suppose at the end oftheday I  have no control over what anyone else does. I just know that I can go to bed of a night knowing that I have done the best I  can.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on April 08, 2020, 07:01:27 PM
In theory, if everyone did the right thing, this virus would die out in 2 weeks.

Herd immunity is not the way we should go...hospitals would be chaos.....not to mention drs and nurses.

Self isolation for positive cases doesn't seem to work either......has to be lock them up or shoot them.....

But there can't be a relaxation of rules until it gets under control.....that just makes all we have done so far a waste of time..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on April 08, 2020, 07:14:53 PM
My long suffering wife has come up with what I think is a sensible suggestion.
To make shopping in the supermarkets a bit safer, why not make all the aisleways one way. You'd still go up and down the aisles as normally and could skip aisles if you wanted to.
This would minimise contact between the punters and give a better chance of 1.5 metres separation.
Keith
Listening to the head honcho from Cole's the other day, they trialed one way isles early on. It was just too much for the sheeple to comprehend and confusion reighed. Was given the flick after a couple of hours.

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Post by: D4D on April 08, 2020, 07:18:45 PM
In theory, if everyone did the right thing, this virus would die out in 2 weeks.

Based on what science?
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Post by: glenm64 on April 08, 2020, 07:20:51 PM
Listening to the head honcho from Cole's the other day, they trialed one way isles early on. It was just too much for the sheeple to comprehend and confusion reighed. Was given the flick after a couple of hours.

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Bit like when Sweden changed which side of the road they drove on.

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Cheers Glen

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Post by: Pete79 on April 08, 2020, 07:22:11 PM
My long suffering wife has come up with what I think is a sensible suggestion.
To make shopping in the supermarkets a bit safer, why not make all the aisleways one way. You'd still go up and down the aisles as normally and could skip aisles if you wanted to.
This would minimise contact between the punters and give a better chance of 1.5 metres separation.
Keith
Our IGA set that up almost 2 weeks ago.

I think me and one other guy follow the arrows on the floor, the rest (including the staff) still just wonder up and down the aisles as they please. ::)
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Post by: Merts on April 08, 2020, 07:42:34 PM
Based on what science?

I'm guessing he's getting at the fact that if we completely stopped new infections, those who were infected would either get better or die, and there would be nobody left carrying the virus to infect anyone else.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on April 08, 2020, 07:47:41 PM
I'm guessing he's getting at the fact that if we completely stopped new infections, those who were infected would either get better or die, and there would be nobody left carrying the virus to infect anyone else.

Hasn't worked for Italy...
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Post by: gronk on April 08, 2020, 07:52:09 PM
I'm guessing he's getting at the fact that if we completely stopped new infections, those who were infected would either get better or die, and there would be nobody left carrying the virus to infect anyone else.

Exactly. In theory.....

If everyone stopped interactions with other humans, it would die out. The isolation rules are reducing the infections, and the numbers we should be looking at are only the new infections per day, not the actual number of infections, as they should all be in isolation, AND the people who they have been in contact with.
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Post by: Hairs on April 08, 2020, 07:54:18 PM


In theory, if everyone did the right thing, this virus would die out in 2 weeks

https://youtu.be/BgXRodXITQc

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Post by: gronk on April 08, 2020, 08:00:19 PM
Hasn't worked for Italy...

Has for Hong Kong and Singapore !!  Italy took too long to social distance and self isolate. It was out of control before they did anything.
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Post by: tryagain on April 08, 2020, 08:10:18 PM
In theory, if everyone did the right thing, this virus would die out in 2 weeks.

The full shutdown that happened in China that apparently stopped it, took about 60 days and involved literally welding people's doors shut. Their now "relaxed" restrictions are still far greater than ours. This is where theory and reality are very different, the chief medical officer has said that they don't believe it is possible for it to be totally killed off.
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Post by: Champin on April 08, 2020, 08:22:02 PM
Is it going to be like the flu you reckon? We can only vaccinate for last years strain because it is constantly mutating.

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Post by: Hairs on April 08, 2020, 08:45:30 PM
Our biggest hurdle is,
Entitlement.
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Post by: rockrat on April 08, 2020, 08:52:05 PM
Our biggest hurdle is,
Entitlement.
Nope, most people will still die from things like cancer and heart disease.

But are we prepared to spend several hundred billion dollars in the next 6 months to cure those ? I doubt it.


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Post by: tryagain on April 08, 2020, 09:02:09 PM
Has for Hong Kong and Singapore !!  Italy took too long to social distance and self isolate. It was out of control before they did anything.

Not really, they have a low rate of increase, but it's still increasing.
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Post by: D4D on April 09, 2020, 07:27:14 AM
Nope, most people will still die from things like cancer and heart disease.

I'm curious to see the equivalent data from the major death causes, it would make for interesting reading.
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Post by: Bigfish on April 09, 2020, 07:45:22 AM
I'm curious to see the equivalent data from the major death causes, it would make for interesting reading.

Many will still die from cancer and heart disease...but we have spent 10,s of billions on research already and still spent many millions every year.
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Post by: plusnq on April 09, 2020, 07:48:16 AM
Deaths in NY City are over four times the average rate at the moment.
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Post by: Pottsy on April 09, 2020, 07:51:55 AM
Sadly the second victim of Corona in SA was a friend of 25 plus years, both her and her husband worked in the same industry as I did. I can only think of the anguish he must be feeling after not being able to be with her during her final days.  It is no consolation but thankfully their children are young adults.
RIP L.
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Post by: Fizzie on April 09, 2020, 07:54:14 AM
Sorry to hear that Pottsy :'(

Our commiserations to both yourself & her family.
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Post by: Bigfish on April 09, 2020, 07:55:40 AM
Our biggest hurdle is,
Entitlement.

Exactly what I think as well.  The ignorant and arrogant think they know better and that rules and laws that have been implemented shouldn,t apply to them. No one enjoys isolation, the govt didn't want to spend billions and ruin what would have been a surplus, and People dont want to live in fear.  We are not in real isolation...try England...anyone over 60 MUST self isolate for 3 months..NO leaving the house under any circumstances.. Thats isolation!! It only takes one brain dead infected person to set the virus going in a community. Into our 4th week of self isolation and the sky hasn't fallen. Still go for a walk, plenty of movies on tv/laptop, gardening(yuk), plenty of projects for camper and shed as well. 

I see the bullShit posts from the entitled ones about driving around for relaxation, whinging that they cant go to the beach, the gyms shut , cant go to piss ups etc.etc. .  You just cant fix stupid or entitlement.
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Post by: rockrat on April 09, 2020, 07:57:15 AM
Sadly the second victim of Corona in SA was a friend of 25 plus years, both her and her husband worked in the same industry as I did. I can only think of the anguish he must be feeling after not being able to be with her during her final days.  It is no consolation but thankfully their children are young adults.
RIP L.
Sorry to hear that Pottsy.


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Post by: D4D on April 09, 2020, 08:04:10 AM
Many will still die from cancer and heart disease...but we have spent 10,s of billions on research already and still spent many millions every year.

Thanks, that is interesting data. I guess the difference here is the top 3 are not easily transmissible like COVID-19.
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Post by: Bigfish on April 09, 2020, 08:06:02 AM
Sadly the second victim of Corona in SA was a friend of 25 plus years, both her and her husband worked in the same industry as I did. I can only think of the anguish he must be feeling after not being able to be with her during her final days.  It is no consolation but thankfully their children are young adults.
RIP L.

Sad indeed.  Even sadder when you cannot visit them in hospital  and even funerals are completely compromised.   Apparently once you are diagnosed and in hospital there are no visitors.  Imagine if one of kids/grandparent/relation contracted this virus..No visits...Thats why everyone has to do the right thing..its only for a short time and hopefully everyone comes out well in the end.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 09, 2020, 08:07:34 AM
Thanks, that is interesting data. I guess the difference here is the top 3 are not easily transmissible like COVID-19.

Interesting that influenza is only just in front of accidental falls...
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Post by: Bird on April 09, 2020, 10:08:47 AM
Quote from: tryagain
The full shutdown that happened in China that apparently stopped it,

I agree with the apparently.... I dont believe a word they say...
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Post by: xcvator on April 09, 2020, 10:15:53 AM
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on April 09, 2020, 11:19:56 AM
Only in America


https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1845748/?fbclid=IwAR38---5-0VDsyc4_reWiZQMvq5BCq1BB0MzCxmF8PiR3yXGu-YQNKgr1uU (https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1845748/?fbclid=IwAR38---5-0VDsyc4_reWiZQMvq5BCq1BB0MzCxmF8PiR3yXGu-YQNKgr1uU)
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Post by: Bigfish on April 09, 2020, 11:22:19 AM
Only in America


https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1845748/?fbclid=IwAR38---5-0VDsyc4_reWiZQMvq5BCq1BB0MzCxmF8PiR3yXGu-YQNKgr1uU (https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1845748/?fbclid=IwAR38---5-0VDsyc4_reWiZQMvq5BCq1BB0MzCxmF8PiR3yXGu-YQNKgr1uU)


That cant be right Al....Trumpy reckons he,s got it all under control because he,s very smart..... ;D
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Post by: Pete79 on April 09, 2020, 11:27:45 AM

That cant be right Al....Trumpy reckons he,s got it all under control because he,s very smart..... ;D
They say he’s the smartest ever.
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Post by: alnjan on April 09, 2020, 11:33:05 AM

That cant be right Al....Trumpy reckons he,s got it all under control because he,s very smart..... ;D

and if he keeps saying it over and over often enough people will believe him.   But when you look at the other side it doesn't take much to be very smart I guess. 
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Post by: Bird on April 09, 2020, 02:36:35 PM
comment in todays paper

I can tell you the noise from cars travelling along the Surf Coast Highway and Great Ocean Rd has increased dramatically this morning and has been non stop since 6am.

I think many people aren't taking the 'stay at home' rule seriously. As a small coastal town, we are already being inundated with visitors arriving.

If you have a safe home, please stay in it. While we heavily rely on tourism for many businesses survival during a normal Easter holiday weekend, we are too small of a town to cope with the normal influx of Easter tourism during this crisis.
Please do the ethical thing and stay home.
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Post by: jclures on April 09, 2020, 05:42:51 PM
I think this is sending the wrong message.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-09/coronavirus-queensland-funeral-mourners-indigenous-significant/12132614
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on April 09, 2020, 06:22:30 PM
I think this is sending the wrong message.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-09/coronavirus-queensland-funeral-mourners-indigenous-significant/12132614

just heard it on the news.  One rule for all
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Post by: shakey55 on April 10, 2020, 06:03:53 AM

That cant be right Al....Trumpy reckons he,s got it all under control because he,s very smart..... ;D
And he said it would be over by Easter


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Post by: Bird on April 10, 2020, 03:21:43 PM
Wise man:
Don't believe cure claims for COVID-19, Deputy Chief Medical Officer warns


Bronx New York :(  US had 1900 people in 1 day ... thats insanity.


https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.313%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/37858cad41661b20a8fb87b296ee7bc9917c671f (https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.313%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/37858cad41661b20a8fb87b296ee7bc9917c671f)
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Post by: GeoffA on April 10, 2020, 03:25:20 PM
And he said it would be over by Easter

It is, for some.... :'(
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Post by: tryagain on April 10, 2020, 03:40:59 PM
https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.313%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/37858cad41661b20a8fb87b296ee7bc9917c671f (https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.313%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/37858cad41661b20a8fb87b296ee7bc9917c671f)

A week on and I think we are there, the death toll still trails Italy but not for long, the White House estimates from 100,000 to 240,000 deaths in the next two weeks we haven't seen anything yet. Expect to see piles of bodies in the news. :(

Thankfully not as bad as their predictions yet, looks like my one has come to pass though.
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Post by: Hairs on April 10, 2020, 03:48:58 PM


Wise man:
Don't believe cure claims for COVID-19, Deputy Chief Medical Officer warns


Bronx New York :(  US had 1900 people in 1 day ... thats insanity.


https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.313%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/37858cad41661b20a8fb87b296ee7bc9917c671f (https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.313%2C$multiply_1.0582%2C$ratio_1.5%2C$width_756%2C$x_0%2C$y_0/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/37858cad41661b20a8fb87b296ee7bc9917c671f)

They showed footage at lunch time ABC news,
That is haunting, disturbing and some still don't get it.

Listening to abc radio, update from the SA health mob
They have no idea what the flue and this virus may do.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on April 12, 2020, 11:47:09 AM
We are going to open this thread up again, before you post away have a quick read of this thread, lets keep it on topic and relevant without personnel attacks please

http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=57163.0 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=57163.0)

Garrick
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Post by: Mace on April 12, 2020, 01:12:03 PM
Interesting article on the three types of Covid19:

Lets see how the hyperlink goes....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8209837/There-TWO-strains-coronavirus-spreading-Australia.html?ITO=applenews (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8209837/There-TWO-strains-coronavirus-spreading-Australia.html?ITO=applenews)

 :cheers:



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Post by: Mace on April 12, 2020, 01:15:37 PM
And graphing the importance of isolation/lockdown..

(https://i.ibb.co/Qb5nRSq/Covid19-2.gif)

Stay Healthy everyone.
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Post by: JusyApples on April 12, 2020, 11:49:52 PM
And graphing the importance of isolation/lockdown..

(https://i.ibb.co/Qb5nRSq/Covid19-2.gif)

Stay Healthy everyone.
If only we knew China’s true graph


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Post by: Bigfish on April 13, 2020, 06:58:10 AM
China and Russia,s figures are not believed by most countries.  North Korea hasn't had a case yet......very magical country that one...
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Post by: Champin on April 13, 2020, 07:53:00 AM
Its not just North Korea failing to post Covid19 cases. There are quite a few countries with no or very low number of cases. An interesting site I found this morning is worldmeteres.info/coronavirus/ .

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Post by: Fizzie on April 13, 2020, 07:59:12 AM
worldmeteres.info/coronavirus/ .


Typo in your link there, Champin! :-[

Here you go:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
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Post by: Champin on April 13, 2020, 08:35:47 AM
Typo in your link there, Champin! :-[

Here you go:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)
Thanks Fizzie. Like I  sez...I'm challenged.

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Post by: gronk on April 13, 2020, 08:56:09 AM
Quite possible north Korea has no cases. Are or were there any regular flights going into the country ?  You may as well call it an isolated island.

And if you believe a few jokes going around, if a case or two came up, pretty easy to make them disappear !!  ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 13, 2020, 08:59:15 AM
Quite possible north Korea has no cases. Are or were there any regular flights going into the country ?  You may as well call it an isolated island.

And if you believe a few jokes going around, if a case or two came up, pretty easy to make them disappear !!  ;D

There surrounded by countries with big corona virus numbers.  The large amount of illegal (and state sanctioned ) smuggling means it is almost impossible for the country not to have the virus.
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Post by: Hoyks on April 13, 2020, 09:09:33 AM
Quite possible north Korea has no cases. Are or were there any regular flights going into the country ?  You may as well call it an isolated island.

And if you believe a few jokes going around, if a case or two came up, pretty easy to make them disappear !!  ;D

They have flights in and trains direct to China, so its a fair bet they have it.

But if you don't test and classify it 100% as COVID-19, then it is just another upper respiratory infection that develops into pneumonia and you die.

I'm sure the US has some imagery of ROK mass graves that they are sitting on.
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Post by: Fizzie on April 13, 2020, 09:33:49 AM
Its not just North Korea failing to post Covid19 cases. There are quite a few countries with no or very low number of cases.

Yeah, Yemen, Turkmenistan, Tajikstan, Kosovo, Lesotho are all still showing nothing, despite being surrounded by countries that do have it. Unfortunately that doesn't necessarily mean much, as they're all high on the list of places that you don't usually believe a word of what they say anyway! >:D

I think it was Turkmenistan, that I saw that the President, only a week or so ago, was still denying the existence of Covid ::)
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Post by: CTL on April 13, 2020, 01:36:28 PM
Thought I heard on the TV news last night, that England only counts CV19 deaths occurring in hospitals, not in their homes or nursing homes.
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Post by: Fizzie on April 13, 2020, 02:31:10 PM
Just saw a similar comment on another forum, & same with the US, in that a [/lot/] of related deaths aren't being counted ???
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Post by: plusnq on April 13, 2020, 02:46:11 PM
Yes. Part of the problem is not enough testing and being overwhelmed by the numbers. I’m sure researchers will pore over the records later to get better figures. If you have access the average mortality rate, then that may give a good indication of what is going on. In New York it is currently about 4x normal for the same period. Not all well be cornona  associated deaths but most probably will be.
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Post by: Bird on April 14, 2020, 10:05:57 AM
Quote from: Fizzie
Just saw a similar comment on another forum, & same with the US, in that a [/lot/] of related deaths aren't being counted ???
It will be like the Russians with Chernobyl...

Its also probably a little to keep people calm... "50 deaths" is a lot better than "20,000 deaths"
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Post by: Bigfish on April 14, 2020, 11:31:01 AM
It will be like the Russians with Chernobyl...

Its also probably a little to keep people calm... "50 deaths" is a lot better than "20,000 deaths"

Maybe ours is so low because heaps panicked and bought dunny rolls.  Yanks panicked and bought guns.   Proof that its no good bringing a gun to a Shitfight...
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Post by: Bird on April 14, 2020, 11:41:27 AM
Interesting read from someone who had it.. Not many articles talking about it from those that have got through it

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One of Sutherland Hospital's first coronavirus cases is sending a message to young people to take the directions about social distancing seriously.

Grant Houldsworth - a top footballer in the shire in his younger years - said, "I wouldn't be able to pull on a jersey for the Sharks, but for a 40-year-old I am in good condition and look after myself".

"I would have thought I could fight off this virus without much difficulty, but I have to say it really kicked my butt.

"The main message I want to put out there is to remind people that this thing is, like, real, and that the directions we are getting about social distancing should be followed.

"People are behaving well around the shire, but at common gathering points, such as waiting for takeaway coffee, some are falling into old habits.

"I think we all have a social responsibility and, with the Easter long weekend here, I encourage everyone to make good decisions."

https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6718931/sutherland-hospital-patient-coronavirus-really-kicked-my-butt/?cs=17293 (https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6718931/sutherland-hospital-patient-coronavirus-really-kicked-my-butt/?cs=17293)
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Post by: Hairs on April 14, 2020, 01:14:39 PM
Maybe ours is so low because heaps panicked and bought dunny rolls.  Yanks panicked and bought guns.   Proof that its no good bringing a gun to a Shitfight...
Boom boom,  thank you.
:)
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Post by: Robbo on April 14, 2020, 01:40:22 PM
Maybe ours is so low because heaps panicked and bought dunny rolls.  Yanks panicked and bought guns.   Proof that its no good bringing a gun to a Shitfight...
HaHa. That's Brilliant.

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Post by: Bigfish on April 14, 2020, 04:09:04 PM
NRL wont be played anytime soon...

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby-league/queensland-premier-bins-state-of-origin-plans/ar-BB12zy4r?ocid=ob-fb-enau-307&fbclid=IwAR1-jahU9tdwpKZFw-HOskZwiZz7Rb2cP3kU00lw2JuS5I2hyCqWa8FO3wI (https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/rugby-league/queensland-premier-bins-state-of-origin-plans/ar-BB12zy4r?ocid=ob-fb-enau-307&fbclid=IwAR1-jahU9tdwpKZFw-HOskZwiZz7Rb2cP3kU00lw2JuS5I2hyCqWa8FO3wI)
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Post by: Fizzie on April 14, 2020, 05:16:06 PM
NRL wont be played anytime soon...

OMG!!! :o :o :o

Anaphylaxis has said something that I actually agree with !!! :o :o :o >:D
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Post by: Pete79 on April 14, 2020, 10:43:43 PM
OMG!!! :o :o :o

Anaphylaxis has said something that I actually agree with !!! :o :o :o >:D
And this morning was the first time I’ve seen her on ABC news breakfast for about 2 weeks or more.

I was assuming it was because of the whole pretend time thing that only the southern premiers got air time every morning.
But obviously it was just because there was no important announcements that affected queenslanders during this whole pandemic.
No footy...!!! Now that’s obviously worth some tv time... ::)
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Post by: Rodt on April 15, 2020, 07:10:20 AM
Can't deny it mate it is part of the social fabric for hundreds of thousands of people.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 15, 2020, 08:06:20 AM
Can't deny it mate it is part of the social fabric for hundreds of thousands of people.

Many millions of Australians would want their football back asap (all codes) whether they play, officiate, sponsor or just watch it is a huge part of many peoples fabric of life. Same as most countries around the world. Billions and billions of dollars invested in it.
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Post by: Bird on April 15, 2020, 10:01:33 AM
Does anyone know from what height Trump was dropped on his head at a young age?


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BREAKING: Trump halts WHO payments

US President Donald Trump said on Tuesday (Wednesday AEST) he has instructed his administration to at least temporarily halt funding to the World Health Organisation over its handling of the coronavirus pandemic.

Mr Trump, at a White House news conference, said the WHO had "failed in its basic duty and it must be held accountable."
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Post by: db on April 15, 2020, 03:05:43 PM
Does anyone know from what height Trump was dropped on his head at a young age?

Not high enough!
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Post by: tryagain on April 15, 2020, 03:23:15 PM
Does anyone know from what height Trump was dropped on his head at a young age?

I don't know, but occasionally when you wade through the madness of a lot of what he says, there is some sense. The WHO is supposed to be there for such a time as this hasn't exactly shone.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 15, 2020, 04:03:13 PM
I don't know, but occasionally when you wade through the madness of a lot of what he says, there is some sense. The WHO is supposed to be there for such a time as this hasn't exactly shone.

An interesting timeline.

https://www.justsecurity.org/69650/timeline-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-u-s-response/ (https://www.justsecurity.org/69650/timeline-of-the-coronavirus-pandemic-and-u-s-response/)

I think one of the issues with the WHO response was the delay in actually getting into China to verify actions being undertaken and the associated time lost in early January (two weeks) on verifying that person to person transmission was possible.

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Post by: Bigfish on April 15, 2020, 04:22:17 PM
Not high enough!

The whole fiasco in America has highlighted what a complete and utter idiot this bloke is.  Everyday brings new lies, excuses, backflips and revelations about how he knew the whole time exactly how the pandemic would pan out...Asked a straight forward question at any of his new conferences and straight away your ridiculed for asking "nasty" questions.  So glad our pollies dont behave or speak like this tweedledumb!!
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Post by: Hoyks on April 15, 2020, 04:35:41 PM
Just saw a similar comment on another forum, & same with the US, in that a [/lot/] of related deaths aren't being counted ???
The ABC reported New York has a bit over 3000 to add onto the tally. People that died out of hospital without a COVID diagnosis, but the pathology reports are coming in. UK is around the same.

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tryagain on Today at 15:23:15

    I don't know, but occasionally when you wade through the madness of a lot of what he says, there is some sense. The WHO is supposed to be there for such a time as this hasn't exactly shone.

Not much though. He is a narrow minded bully that has grown up getting his own way.

The WHO isn't a health team to be activated in times of crisis, it isn't really their job. Health promotion is their game, it has always been the best bang for your health buck. The 'better a fence at the top of a cliff than a ambulance at the bottom' sort of thing.

https://www.who.int/governance/eb/who_constitution_en.pdf
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on April 15, 2020, 05:05:38 PM
The whole fiasco in America has highlighted what a complete and utter idiot this bloke is.  Everyday brings new lies, excuses, backflips and revelations about how he knew the whole time exactly how the pandemic would pan out...Asked a straight forward question at any of his new conferences and straight away your ridiculed for asking "nasty" questions.  So glad our pollies dont behave or speak like this tweedledumb!!

You may be correct in everything you said about him.....but the yanks love him.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 15, 2020, 05:24:47 PM
On the subject of virus tests that we were discussing - I had one this morning! :o

Haven't been anywhere or (to the best of my knowledge, but who really knows ???) been in contact with anybody who has, but, over the weekend, noticed that I was taking deeper breaths than usual & that my chest also felt a bit tight.

Had to go back to GP to get results on another matter, so, when I rang to make an appt, mentioned this to the receptionist. She didn't care re possible virus issues but immediately went to action stations re possible heart problem so wanted me to come in immediately, right now, don't worry about an appt! :o Did so, & on to ECG which showed all clear ;D , although there are more tests to do.

However, Dr then said that because of shortness of breath, despite not having a fever of any sort, I "have" to have a virus test.

So went in & got it done this morning, which I can't say was "fun" ::)

2 swabs, one stuffed up both nostrils, & the other to the back of the throat :-\ The nurse said "This is going to hurt a bit & bring tears to your eyes" & she was right :'(

So, now waiting till Friday to get the results of that ???

They were also doing a roaring trade! 6 people there with masks on in 15 minutes!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Brett on April 15, 2020, 05:33:31 PM
Ok people there has been a few moderation reports on this thread. Please bring it back to facts about coping with Covid19 or how it’s affecting you and not your opinions on political leaders.
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Post by: alnjan on April 16, 2020, 08:34:39 PM
https://covid19-data.sydney.edu.au/ (https://covid19-data.sydney.edu.au/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 16, 2020, 10:15:56 PM
Four weeks more still from the PM- https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/the-3-conditions-australia-needs-to-meet-before-coronavirus-restrictions-can-be-relaxed/ar-BB12HNc0

SA had no more Covid cases yesterday but with SA Health opening up sniffle testing to all and sundry today they've found one more case so it will be interesting to see how we go with that at detecting more mild/asymptomatic cases in the next few days. Bearing in mind those tested may have to quarantine up to 48 hrs waiting for clear test results but presumably you get contacted pronto with a positive result.

I guess SA has to run with that for 14 days incubation time to see whether we can ferret out more cases with tracking and quarantining of their contacts but if all goes well SA could join NT with ditching lockdown so watch the acid test for that. Oz has a good chance of defeating this virus altogether in the next few weeks but it changes international travel perhaps forever.
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Post by: gronk on April 16, 2020, 10:26:08 PM

. Oz has a good chance of defeating this virus altogether in the next few weeks but it changes international travel perhaps forever.

Not forever, but when the world gets on top of this, hopefully there will be more rigid tests of people returning here.
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Post by: prodigyrf on April 16, 2020, 11:18:04 PM
Well the question is with the big wakeup call whether the majority in future want to see a 14 day user pays quarantine for every arrival and ditto the OS destinations.  That will certainly knock the enthusiasm out of many and the economies of scale with flight schedules accordingly. Bye bye Virgin already and here's the chuckle of the week-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/carnival-is-considering-cutting-passenger-capacity-on-its-cruise-ships-as-it-looks-for-ways-to-improve-safety-in-wake-of-coronavirus-outbreaks-sources-say/ar-BB12GK3d
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on April 17, 2020, 06:54:55 AM
Well the question is with the big wakeup call whether the majority in future want to see a 14 day user pays quarantine for every arrival and ditto the OS destinations.  That will certainly knock the enthusiasm out of many and the economies of scale with flight schedules accordingly. Bye bye Virgin already and here's the chuckle of the week-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/carnival-is-considering-cutting-passenger-capacity-on-its-cruise-ships-as-it-looks-for-ways-to-improve-safety-in-wake-of-coronavirus-outbreaks-sources-say/ar-BB12GK3d

Rearranging the seats on the Titanic is a saying that couldn,t be more apt.  . Minimum12 months, possibly 2 years , before a Vaccine is available.  Registered in Panama, Main company in the Bahamas and main office in USA....THEY WILL NOT GET OR QUALIFY FOR A LOAN TO GET THEM OUT OF TROUBLE.  GONE!!!   How are the various countries that these floating hotels visit going to accept the word from the liner that all is well. Once the vaccine is produced it will need to be available to everybody.  One case on a cruise ship or aircraft and its back to square one unless 14 day isolation is applied to every traveller....International travel is quite a few years awayI feel.
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Post by: Bigfish on April 17, 2020, 07:03:36 AM
Spoke to my sister who is living in England.  Whole country is in lock down if your over 65.  She knows quite a few nurses and says that most are scared and horrified at the death rate. She said they have seen healthy people come and in less than 2 days are dead. Dying in a horrible painful death that leaves the nurses shattered as they know this will be the pattern for quite a while to come.   Also said that it has brought whole communities together again and there is much sentiment amongst the people to start looking after the country and its people first...ie..more self sufficient. She was absolutely amazed at our very low death rate (63 dead and 40 in ICU). 6500 cases as well.  Oz is certainly at the top of the leader board in its handling and containment of the virus.
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Post by: Bird on April 17, 2020, 10:12:11 AM
Quote from: prodigyrf
...a nd here's the chuckle of the week-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/carnival-is-considering-cutting-passenger-capacity-on-its-cruise-ships-as-it-looks-for-ways-to-improve-safety-in-wake-of-coronavirus-outbreaks-sources-say/ar-BB12GK3d
They wont need to cut numbers... people will do it for them LMAO!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 17, 2020, 10:16:24 AM
On the subject of virus tests that we were discussing - I had one this morning! :o

So, now waiting till Friday to get the results of that ???

& results back negative!!! ;D

& got to say, that because of another medical issue that I have, I was pretty concerned about it, but all good again (at least for the time being).
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Post by: Jillsy on April 17, 2020, 10:24:06 AM
& results back negative!!! ;D

Excellent news Fizzie - I have been waiting to read this  :cheers:
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Post by: Fizzie on April 17, 2020, 10:35:02 AM
Excellent news Fizzie - I have been waiting to read this  :cheers:

Thank you very much! ;D

& believe me, I have well & truly been waiting to write it ;D :cup:
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Post by: plusnq on April 17, 2020, 10:51:53 AM
 :cup: Great news  :cheers:
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Post by: xcvator on April 17, 2020, 11:13:16 AM
 :cup: :cup:
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Post by: Champin on April 17, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
Awesome Fizzie. Thats gotta be a load off your mind.

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Post by: jclures on April 17, 2020, 01:23:20 PM
I think we might have a new outbreak in Cairns at the hospital testing lab.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 17, 2020, 01:39:02 PM
:cup: :cup:

Awesome Fizzie. Thats gotta be a load off your mind.

Thanks, fellas :cup:

Well & truly is ;D

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 17, 2020, 01:40:43 PM
I think we might have a new outbreak in Cairns at the hospital testing lab.


Yep :'(

http://www.mygc.com.au/lab-worker-among-six-new-qld-covid-19-cases/ (http://www.mygc.com.au/lab-worker-among-six-new-qld-covid-19-cases/)

But in contact with another carrier, nothing to do with work!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 17, 2020, 02:22:48 PM
& don't hold your breath waiting on a vaccine! :'(

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 17, 2020, 03:45:55 PM
Well we haven't managed a vaccine for the common cold yet which can be caused by corona and rhino viruses but that fact hasn't been widely acknowledged to date. That's why Oz has to eradicate this virus before a satisfactory treatment can be found and hence ongoing detection and quarantining. The Lucky Isle has among the best chances at that but we may fail due to widespread asymptomatic carriers already and this is not a good look in that regard- https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/singapore-reports-record-jump-in-virus-infections/ar-BB12Kxgj

China figures you can't trust but if their infection rate returns which they won't be able to hide it's all over for global pandemic control and welcome to survival of the fittest with eventual herd immunity. That's what the brains trust are grappling with but at some stage the economic imperative will outweigh the medical problem but there's no handbook for any of it.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 19, 2020, 01:10:46 PM
Heard earlier from our Duty Radio Operator that 127 vessels (power boats & jet skis) went out through the Creek this morning :o

Good to see that the idea of not going fishing is working well! ::)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 20, 2020, 07:14:18 AM
This article fits well with the facts not fiction title https://medium.com/swlh/misinformation-goes-viral-1aad951e4492 (https://medium.com/swlh/misinformation-goes-viral-1aad951e4492)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Beachman on April 20, 2020, 07:40:38 AM
Heard earlier from our Duty Radio Operator that 127 vessels (power boats & jet skis) went out through the Creek this morning :o

Good to see that the idea of not going fishing is working well! ::)

But in QLD your allowed to go fishing for the purpose of catching food? One of my mates got pulled over by the water police last weekend and they just checked to make sure he had fishing rods and who the occupants of the boat were. In his case it was he 2 children so was told to have a nice day.
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Post by: D4D on April 20, 2020, 07:49:33 AM
Wife wasn't feeling great on the weekend so she went to the Docs on Saturday. As she is still working at her office, and classified as an essential service worker, they gave her the COVID-19 test as a precaution. Should get the results today, we're expecting a negative but it's a little bit stressful.
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Post by: edz on April 20, 2020, 08:48:08 AM
Fngers crossed all is going to be well D4D..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: achjimmy on April 20, 2020, 08:50:43 AM
Wife wasn't feeling great on the weekend so she went to the Docs on Saturday. As she is still working at her office, and classified as an essential service worker, they gave her the COVID-19 test as a precaution. Should get the results today, we're expecting a negative but it's a little bit stressful.

Ekkk fingers crossed for Mrs D4D mate
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 20, 2020, 09:57:42 AM
it's a little bit stressful.

It certainly is that! :'(

Fingers crossed! :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 20, 2020, 09:59:43 AM
But in QLD your allowed to go fishing for the purpose of catching food? One of my mates got pulled over by the water police last weekend and they just checked to make sure he had fishing rods and who the occupants of the boat were. In his case it was he 2 children so was told to have a nice day.

Think it's how you interpret it ???

The rules (appear to) say "Fishing is OK if you need to feed your family", but the powers-that-be then say "Please don't" ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on April 20, 2020, 10:57:20 AM
Think it's how you interpret it ???

The rules (appear to) say "Fishing is OK if you need to feed your family", but the powers-that-be then say "Please don't" ???

In Tasmania you can go fishing, but you can only launch your boat in your home local government area.  You can also play Golf.....  The club up the road allways has a lot of vehicles in the car park, and its FB site says not to turn  up for a hit unless you have booked online.  No "walk ups".

Bunnings car parks are usually chockers, but strangely not that busy inside. Not many family groups there.  Most of the "sales" areas at the ends of aisles have been taken away.

 :cheers:
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Post by: D4D on April 20, 2020, 02:37:35 PM
Ekkk fingers crossed for Mrs D4D mate

Thanks, all good results just came back and are negative.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 20, 2020, 02:59:22 PM
Yay! :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: achjimmy on April 20, 2020, 04:31:34 PM
Thanks, all good results just came back and are negative.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: achjimmy on April 20, 2020, 04:32:27 PM
In relation to covid testing , I am told it’s quite invasive the swab has to go right up into the sinus! Is that true ?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GGV8Cruza on April 20, 2020, 05:16:25 PM
Thanks, all good results just came back and are negative.

Great news

GG
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Post by: Bird on April 20, 2020, 05:25:21 PM
Quote from: D4D
Thanks, all good results just came back and are negative.

Nice work digger... thats a weight off ya mind. now back to fixing the garage roof lining ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on April 20, 2020, 06:04:21 PM
Thanks, all good results just came back and are negative.
Awesome to hear D4D,
:)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on April 20, 2020, 06:05:50 PM
In relation to covid testing , I am told it’s quite invasive the swab has to go right up into the sinus! Is that true ?

I believe so !!
I've had a few cameras up into and around the nasal and sinus passages and even though there wasn't any real pain, it certainly wasn't pleasant.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on April 20, 2020, 06:08:47 PM
In relation to covid testing , I am told it’s quite invasive the swab has to go right up into the sinus! Is that true ?

Yes, one swab up the nose all the way and one down the throat. My wife said it wasn't pleasant.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on April 20, 2020, 08:19:43 PM
Yes, one swab up the nose all the way and one down the throat. My wife said it wasn't pleasant.

The Bride said the same, one swab for each nostril and one down the throat.   Three swabs.  Wasn't pleasant but not overly uncomfortable. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on April 21, 2020, 06:29:51 AM
Reports this morning suggesting Virgin has gone into administration with $5B of debt, another Ansett...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on April 21, 2020, 06:45:18 AM
Reports this morning suggesting Virgin has gone into administration with $5B of debt, another Ansett...
Reports that Richard Branson has already dumped 250 million into Virgin Australia and Atlantic, so how much to get them out of trouble ??
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on April 21, 2020, 07:01:43 AM
Reports that Richard Branson has already dumped 250 million into Virgin Australia and Atlantic, so how much to get them out of trouble ??

He only has a 10% stake in VA, conspiracy theorists will suggest, they'll let it go under then China will buy it back cheap...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on April 21, 2020, 07:25:56 AM
I realise we need competition in the air, but,
How can a company lawfully operate with a debt of 5 billion?
It was my understanding that once your debts outweigh your assets you are insolvent.

Why should and public money be thrown at a company that is 90% foreign owned.

Now they have announced they may go into voluntary liquidation, surely that is a ply to get the money bidding between Qld and NSW to heat up?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on April 21, 2020, 07:35:59 AM
How can a company lawfully operate with a debt of 5 billion?
It was my understanding that once your debts outweigh your assets you are insolvent.

I'd suggest their incoming funds were just covering their outgoings so they were trading just above the insolvency line.

Now they have announced they may go into voluntary liquidation, surely that is a ply to get the money bidding between Qld and NSW to heat up?

Yep there will be lots of angles going on at the moment. Making the voluntary admin call is a big statement and one they wouldn't undertake lightly as it will dry up any access to potential funds and investors.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: achjimmy on April 21, 2020, 08:51:27 AM
VA already has 40% Chinese ownership
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 21, 2020, 10:04:16 AM
Oils going well
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 21, 2020, 10:16:29 AM
It will be a bit like channel 10 was last year for Virgin. It's the debt that is trying it down. Voluntary Administration means it creditors don't get their money (likely only a fraction of it anyway), but then the business can hopefully go forwards under a new owner(s) without the debt obligations pulling it down. The Gov shouldn't be getting involved yet to help out foreign investors, they will wait till the other side when it needs to rise from the ashes.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Brij on April 21, 2020, 10:22:55 AM
I am far from an economist, and I fear for the job losses at VA and associated suppliers and industry but.....listening to morning news interveiw this morning as to why Aust government should step in -

* Will leave only one regional airline who will have a monopoly.
But the media will have us believe we will probably be locked down for some time yet, with interstate travel being one of the last things to come on line, so where is the market to support 2 regional airlines, or would they both run at a loss for years to come?
Alternatively if there is a market will this not entice another operator to set up shop to tap into this market to take advantage of the supposed higher prices the momopoly will supply?

*Thousands of VA employees out of work.
If there is no market won't they be out of work anyway?
If there is a market won't the suppliers in that market need employees?

*We need to support so it doesn't become owned by the Chinese.
Majority foreign owned already, and appears Chinese might go close to majority ownership anyway. So does that mean that Aust Gov should be supporting Chinese owned enterprises.
(Please don't take as distinctly anti Chinese. Sometimes if the Chinese weren't to invest or buy a business or company it would fold due to lack of investment, with the subsequent loss of employment).
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 21, 2020, 10:58:33 AM
Quote from: Brij
* Will leave only one regional airline who will have a monopoly.
has having 2 made any difference? Im no genius but when one goes up in price, by miracle the opposition does too.. like petrol.

*Thousands of VA employees out of work.
The loss of jobs does concern me greatly.

*We need to support so it doesn't become owned by the Chinese.
Far too late.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on April 21, 2020, 11:13:57 AM
has having 2 made any difference? Im no genius but when one goes up in price, by miracle the opposition does too.. like petrol.

*Thousands of VA employees out of work.
The loss of jobs does concern me greatly.

*We need to support so it doesn't become owned by the Chinese.
Far too late.

From memory, Qantas prices when Ansett went bust went sky high
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on April 21, 2020, 11:42:40 AM
From memory, Qantas prices when Ansett went bust went sky high
Qantas shares up 5% LOL!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: westvic on April 21, 2020, 12:13:36 PM
In relation to covid testing , I am told it’s quite invasive the swab has to go right up into the sinus! Is that true ?

daughter had this yesterday and yep quite invasive

single swab used 3 times, first right to the back of the throat (gag!) and right up into back of nostril left followed by right (eye watering)

was really proud of miss13 as she didnt even move her head or make a sound but did have tears pouring out from the nostril swab
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on April 21, 2020, 12:15:32 PM
In QFs defence in wasn't long ago they were in the same debt position. They've spent years improving their financials and are in a position to survive during the current situation, remember the QF strike. VAA on the other hand have kept borrowing and haven't been as financially prudent as their competition. Takes a lot of cash to run an airline and at slim margins, we all want cheap flights, are we going to excuse poor financial management and bail them out? I'm old enough to remember Ansett going under and taking lots of jobs and my 300,000+ frequent flyer points with it. We survived and from the ashes another airline was born. The cycle repeats...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Brij on April 21, 2020, 12:52:11 PM
From memory, Qantas prices when Ansett went bust went sky high

I have distant memories of flying on Ansett Melbourne Perth  and return just as their financial wows started making the news.

The difference in price seemed significant even at that point, let alone when their situation become well published.

Keep in mind though - that is just how I remember it, and was quite a while ago now, and I am far from an experienced flyer. That might of even been my first flight.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Fizzie on April 21, 2020, 01:18:38 PM
single swab used 3 times,

was really proud of miss13

At least they used 2 swabs when they did mine! ::)

Hope everything comes back OK
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Post by: Pete79 on April 21, 2020, 01:44:47 PM
From memory, Qantas prices when Ansett went bust went sky high
And a Qantas flight from Townsville to Brisbane was $500+ until Virgin started flying that route.
They somehow managed to shave almost $400 off that fair once the competition arrived. ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 21, 2020, 02:09:54 PM
Competitive supply works this way. It's only a necessary condition that there be free entry into the market and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the size and number of suppliers that eventuates under such condition.(think Coles and Woollies market share here) That's why we had expensive airfares with the old restricted TAA/Ansett duopoly and once that ended and anyone with backing and aircraft could join down came the margins. Even if upon restart Qantas put up their prices in the short run they'll be acutely aware there's another Richard Branson or whoever that can lay their hands on plenty of cheap aircraft parked up around the world plus cash sloshing around looking for a return to attack their margins. Bunnings don't need a Masters to tell them that either.

Sorry Virgin employees but you're just like blacksmiths with Henry Ford around at present and you'll have to adapt like everyone else who's seen demand for their services smashed. When will Airbus and Boeing employees be making planes again you have to ask yourself? We can't pay taxes to pension them all for life and there's a productive generation have to pay back this Jobkeeper/Jobseeker largesse sooner or later if the money printing isn't to go away with massive stagflation. Take your pick but the cost has to be borne sooner or later with lots of IOUs chasing too few real goods and services now.   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: D4D on April 21, 2020, 02:20:06 PM
And a Qantas flight from Townsville to Brisbane was $500+ until Virgin started flying that route.
They somehow managed to shave almost $400 off that fair once the competition arrived. ;)

That's a loss leader, nobody is making any money and it isn't sustainable, they are trying to buy market share and brand loyalty.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on April 21, 2020, 02:30:55 PM
daughter had this yesterday and yep quite invasive

single swab used 3 times, first right to the back of the throat (gag!) and right up into back of nostril left followed by right (eye watering)

was really proud of miss13 as she didnt even move her head or make a sound but did have tears pouring out from the nostril swab

Just asked the Bride.  Separate swab for each swab, one for left nostril, one for right nostril one for back of throat. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Beachman on April 21, 2020, 04:07:54 PM
In QFs defence in wasn't long ago they were in the same debt position. They've spent years improving their financials and are in a position to survive during the current situation, remember the QF strike. VAA on the other hand have kept borrowing and haven't been as financially prudent as their competition. Takes a lot of cash to run an airline and at slim margins, we all want cheap flights, are we going to excuse poor financial management and bail them out? I'm old enough to remember Ansett going under and taking lots of jobs and my 300,000+ frequent flyer points with it. We survived and from the ashes another airline was born. The cycle repeats...

My best mate as a Qantas Pilot and currently working one month on and one month off (He has been there for years with lots of holidays/long service, so he is taking the month off at half pay out of his holidays)

He was saying seeing the planes are virtually empty, they are now carrying a lot of freight to try and cover costs.

But he and his mates make me laugh as during the strikes they all hated Alan Joyce for taking the tough approach, but now they can see those changes have allowed them to keep trading they now think he is a hero.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: KeithB on April 21, 2020, 08:16:16 PM
I got onto the ALDI customer service thingy and compared Aldi's COVID-19 policy with that of Woolworths. Our local Aldi as at last Friday had done absolutely nothing; it was business as usual.

Woolies has people at the door with hand sanitiser for customers, wiping down baskets and wipes for trolleys, one way aisles to keep customers separated plus clicking customers in and out to control numbers in the store.

Aldi has done bugger all. I mentioned to them that we would no longer shop there until they had taken reasonable steps to ensure personal safety. Here is their reply:


-----Original Message-----
From: noreply@salesforce.com [mailto:noreply@salesforce.com] On Behalf Of Customerservice@aldi
Sent: Tuesday, 21 April 2020 10:56 AM
Subject: Store Feedback [ ref:_00D7F1xExv._5002v2mgeOE:ref ]

Hi Keith,

I’m emailing in response to the feedback you provided about a recent experience you had at the ALDI store.

We are in the process of protecting our employees and shoppers in these challenging times as this is unchartered territory for many of us. Be that as it may, please be assured that we take your feedback seriously and I have raised the matter with the appropriate departments for review.

To help maintain a clean and safe environment for you and our employees, we are intensifying cleaning practices at all of our stores, offices and warehouses.  We have dedicated more time to sanitisation procedures, focused on the most common touch points.

We are also currently installing hygiene stations at the entry of our stores. This includes antibacterial wipes to clean trolley surfaces and hand sanitiser for our customers before they enter our stores.

On behalf of ALDI, I apologise for the unfortunate experience you’ve had and thanks for contacting us and giving us the opportunity to address the issue. I’m confident we’ll be able to resolve the matter promptly and hope that you will continue to enjoy shopping at ALDI.

Kind Regards,

My comment: This is nowhere near good enough from Aldi. They have put bucks ahead of safety. They have lost us as customers.

Keith
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Post by: Pottsy on April 21, 2020, 08:41:51 PM
Bit slow in Sydney Keith, our local store in southern Adelaide has done a great job, social distancing markers, screens at check out, security controlling numbers etc for nearly four weeks, including changes to trading hours to ensure stock on shelves.
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Post by: edz on April 21, 2020, 10:13:03 PM
Drove past ours and wondered what was going on with the crowd and security at the doors ... then heard it come over the radio about  limiting numbers etc  in shops  .. Our local Aldi has security on the doors / limiting numbers and staff doing the hand sanitiser / wipe thing ....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on April 21, 2020, 10:16:02 PM


Woolies has people at the door with hand sanitiser for customers, wiping down baskets and wipes for trolleys, one way aisles to keep customers separated plus clicking customers in and out to control numbers in the store.


Keith

Our local woolies wipes down the handles on trolleys....but none of the other things you list.

Local Bunnings of a saturday is PACKED.....hand sanitiser at the front door....nothing else....

I think we might have this thing under control, but the vast amount of people who had to go shopping could have made it much worse.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on April 21, 2020, 10:28:00 PM
Went to the local Bunnings early on Sunday morning.
Nobody else around, but I was made to enter via the other side of the entry as that is now the designated "IN" door.
How do one-way aisles and designated IN and OUT doors keep people separated?
Some of these policies really make you wonder....

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 22, 2020, 05:23:14 AM
Went to the local Bunnings early on Sunday morning.
Nobody else around, but I was made to enter via the other side of the entry as that is now the designated "IN" door.
How do one-way aisles and designated IN and OUT doors keep people separated?
Some of these policies really make you wonder....

 :cheers:

No-one is going to get it 100% correct or even close.

But, they are trying to do stuff to make people as safe as they can.
Some stuff is over the top, some stuff, not so much..... but they're having a go.

Not having a shot at you Geoff, just folks in general.

Everyday, half the country says were not doing enough.
The other half thinks its waaaay over the top and too much.

Regardless of what's done, ya can't please all the people all the time.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on April 22, 2020, 09:46:59 AM
No-one is going to get it 100% correct or even close.

But, they are trying to do stuff to make people as safe as they can.
Some stuff is over the top, some stuff, not so much..... but they're having a go.

Not having a shot at you Geoff, just folks in general.

Everyday, half the country says were not doing enough.
The other half thinks its waaaay over the top and too much.

Regardless of what's done, ya can't please all the people all the time.

I'd settle for logical.....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on April 22, 2020, 09:56:39 AM
I'd settle for logical.....

Good luck with that concept.  :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 22, 2020, 12:12:16 PM
Don't count on a vaccine in a hurry and with more Oz States getting zero outcomes with ramped up testing and we manage knock it on the head Australia is headed for a massive paradigm shift in quarantining every arrival from then on- https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-has-mutated-to-become-deadlier-in-europe-than-the-us-study-finds/ar-BB12ZC9b

PS: That will be full user pays remember and not the cheap hotels at present with free comprehensive testing-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/nt-arrivals-face-dollar2500-bill-for-coronavirus-hotel-quarantine/ar-BB11Tm1L
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Post by: prodigyrf on April 23, 2020, 03:59:52 PM
It's not exactly making life easy for the test, test, test, tracking and quarantining routine-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/recovered-almost-chinas-early-patients-unable-to-shed-coronavirus/ar-BB132jaH
If word got around they want positive testers to quarantine until the all clear that could result in some reluctance to get sniffle tested. (a further dark horse is there's some evidence emerging OS that it hangs around longer with those having had flu shots albeit with mild symptoms )  All will be revealed ultimately.
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Post by: Bigfish on April 29, 2020, 09:34:18 AM
Finally a bit of encouraging news...https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/04/29/uq-coronavirus-vaccine-preclinical-tests/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020200429 (https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/coronavirus/2020/04/29/uq-coronavirus-vaccine-preclinical-tests/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20News%20-%2020200429)
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Post by: prodigyrf on May 12, 2020, 02:18:54 AM
It varies a bit from week to week but it's comforting to know the omniscient overlords have it all under control-

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/scientists-concerned-that-coronavirus-is-adapting-to-humans/ar-BB13SW98

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/past-studies-have-revealed-coronavirus-vaccines-actually-enhanced-infection/ar-BB13TJSN

Meanwhile in South Oz I'm still contemplating which of the State's RV friendliest regions to anoint with our overwhelming presence and economic largesse as the Premier beckons. Perhaps with all the Fed helicopter money there won't be the fireworks and welcoming parades promised? At any rate the munchkins back at school should please a few impromptu home schoolers no doubt  ;D
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Post by: Bird on May 12, 2020, 09:39:14 AM
Quote from: prodigyrf
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/past-studies-have-revealed-coronavirus-vaccines-actually-enhanced-infection/ar-BB13TJSN

then that wouldnt be a vaccine would it... ?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on May 12, 2020, 10:18:26 AM
Germany reported that new coronavirus infections were accelerating exponentially after early steps to ease its lockdown, news that sounded a global alarm even as businesses opened from Paris hair salons to Shanghai Disneyland.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on May 12, 2020, 08:32:36 PM
then that wouldnt be a vaccine would it... ?

Well I understand that's the big problem because coronaviruses are responsible for the common cold along with rhinoviruses and there hasn't been any successful vaccines yet although they've tried but they're no doubt looking for more volunteers....?

Anyhow with Rona it looks like we blokes have drawn the short straw again-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/why-men-are-more-vulnerable-to-covid-19/ar-BB13SF4h
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Post by: Bigfish on May 15, 2020, 08:01:41 AM
Why America is in deep Shit....

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisElection/videos/568778563746455/ (https://www.facebook.com/NowThisElection/videos/568778563746455/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on May 16, 2020, 12:11:56 PM
Interesting to see how those that catch it the second time fare.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/sailors-on-sidelined-aircraft-carrier-get-coronavirus-for-second-time-20200516-p54tj5.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/sailors-on-sidelined-aircraft-carrier-get-coronavirus-for-second-time-20200516-p54tj5.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on May 16, 2020, 02:14:32 PM
Interesting to see how those that catch it the second time fare.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/sailors-on-sidelined-aircraft-carrier-get-coronavirus-for-second-time-20200516-p54tj5.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/sailors-on-sidelined-aircraft-carrier-get-coronavirus-for-second-time-20200516-p54tj5.html)

We know virtually jackShit about this virus but many just write it off as a nothing event.  So many people trying to do the right thing but a few morons can ruin it for all. Its all about me and not we now...no wonder we are in strife..

America is in big trouble...thank goodness I live in the worlds best country.   Private health may be expensive but at least our public health system works!!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: prodigyrf on May 16, 2020, 04:55:24 PM
Well just to reiterate we all need to be responsible for our own family/household health and just like a thermometer to test for fever you should also have an inexpensive fingertip pulse oximeter-
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/explained/article/3083871/why-singapore-issuing-20000-pulse-oximeters-migrant-workers
They will test for any of the many viral respiratory infection threats including the silent killer pneumonia although at present they're in short supply with higher pricing as the world wakes up to their value in triaging respiratory problems early. You have the answer at your fingertips- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wouUBT80nU
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Post by: plusnq on May 16, 2020, 05:10:38 PM
Well just to reiterate we all need to be responsible for our own family/household health and just like a thermometer to test for fever you should also have an inexpensive fingertip pulse oximeter-
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/explained/article/3083871/why-singapore-issuing-20000-pulse-oximeters-migrant-workers
They will test for any of the many viral respiratory infection threats including the silent killer pneumonia although at present they're in short supply with higher pricing as the world wakes up to their value in triaging respiratory problems early. You have the answer at your fingertips- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wouUBT80nU

They are really useful for giving a quantitative assessment to the hospital/emergency services when you contact them. Much better than saying I am short of breath
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Post by: gronk on May 16, 2020, 05:56:41 PM


America is in big trouble...thank goodness I live in the worlds best country.

As for the virus, Taiwan is the "best" country ATM. Nearly the same population as us, but 440 cases, 7 deaths......compared to us...7,000 cases ...98 deaths.
They locked their borders a lot earlier than us, which is what we should have done.
But yes, on the whole, we are one lucky country.
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Post by: Bigfish on May 16, 2020, 06:10:15 PM
As for the virus, Taiwan is the "best" country ATM. Nearly the same population as us, but 440 cases, 7 deaths......compared to us...7,000 cases ...98 deaths.
They locked their borders a lot earlier than us, which is what we should have done.
But yes, on the whole, we are one lucky country.

Doesn,t matter about the virus Gronk...we are still the best country to live in.  Agree...we should have shut down earlier and the Ruby Princess debacle was a complete cluster f.  Scomo,s jogging along ok now...big test will be in a few months when the economy (and the world) will be in a not so good place. :cheers:
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Post by: Hairs on May 16, 2020, 06:25:33 PM
Doesn,t matter about the virus Gronk...we are still the best country to live in.  Agree...we should have shut down earlier and the Ruby Princess debacle was a complete cluster f.  Scomo,s jogging along ok now...big test will be in a few months when the economy (and the world) will be in a not so good place. :cheers:
Agree with you both.
6 months from now, will be the test.
Cheers.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on May 16, 2020, 08:39:17 PM
did I hear on the news they are saying Russia is the new hot spot for COVID-19 with now over 274000 confirmed case, second to the USA.   Their Death rate is still low by comparison,  only about 2700 compared to 10s of thousands in UK and some European Countries.   So much for early comments about Russia not being infected by their Chinese Comrades. 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on May 17, 2020, 03:09:53 PM
News reports today,
cambodia 0 covid cases.
What The?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on May 17, 2020, 03:50:46 PM
News reports today,
cambodia 0 covid cases.
What The?

If politicians pay rate relied on honesty majority would all be broke and penniless...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on May 17, 2020, 04:45:06 PM
If politicians pay rate relied on honesty majority would all be broke and penniless...
Yep, agree.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on May 18, 2020, 02:10:52 PM
The virus has been around long enough for the graphs to start showing what’s actually going on.
Or more specifically, what effect different countries strategies are having.


The Aus ‘lockdown’ model;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200518/a1fd93573fcf4aeb469aa9e44a8fdfb2.jpg)


The UK’s ‘herd immunity’ model;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200518/28a94314a3db2eaea6592e35aadc24ee.jpg)


And the USA’s ‘pretend it doesn’t exist, tell the population it will magically disappear’ model;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200518/ba4c9a601ad380eb3f6895fe43a8b681.jpg)

Coincidentally that 1.5 million cases in the US equates to almost 35% of the total global cases.
Not sure if they’ve been given an exact date when it will magically disappear from their country, but I guess they’re hoping it’s pretty soon. :(
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Post by: Paddler Ed on May 18, 2020, 02:34:36 PM
I spoke to my parents in the UK, who are already despairing of how the govt are (mis)managing it - but this was reinforced when I told them the number of deaths in their county was over double the whole of Australia...

https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2020/05/17/three-more-county-coronavirus-deaths-confirmed/ (https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/health/coronavirus-covid19/2020/05/17/three-more-county-coronavirus-deaths-confirmed/)

Stay home, or if you can't, at least stay locally, even as things "open up" - there are areas of NSW that are now approaching a couple of weeks without new cases, and this pattern needs to spread across the whole State.
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Post by: Bird on May 21, 2020, 10:11:11 AM
IT isnt going away quick.. lets hope the 'relaxing' of regs isnt too soon


'Biggest daily increase in coronavirus cases triggers WHO concern
The global health body says 106,000 new cases of coronavirus were confirmed in 24 hours - the most in a single day since the outbreak began.'
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on May 25, 2020, 09:59:02 AM
"Tourist accommodation such as caravan parks and camping grounds can open, but there can be no use of communal facilities such as kitchens and bathrooms."

So that means piles of Shit and Shit tickets everywhere out in the bush
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Post by: Spada on May 25, 2020, 11:36:24 AM
"Tourist accommodation such as caravan parks and camping grounds can open, but there can be no use of communal facilities such as kitchens and bathrooms."

only in Vic, Qld is still locked up till June 12th.  :'(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on May 25, 2020, 02:49:44 PM
Corona Virus.
New South Wales' greatest export of 2020.....  >:D

(https://static.ffx.io/images/$zoom_0.841%2C$multiply_0.7554%2C$ratio_1.776846%2C$width_1059%2C$x_0%2C$y_137/t_crop_custom/q_86%2Cf_auto/97ea8796d254ded6b3896e6b4ba05c1d5bb42c30)
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Post by: Mace on May 25, 2020, 04:02:45 PM
Corona Virus.
New South Wales' greatest export of 2020.....  >:D


Actually......

the Ruby Princess directly and indirectly has been linked to 11 deaths in Tasmania.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/30/tasmania-coronavirus-outbreak-traced-to-two-ruby-princess-passengers (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/30/tasmania-coronavirus-outbreak-traced-to-two-ruby-princess-passengers)

And as of a few weeks ago, 22 directly nationally, ...

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-covid-19-death-toll-reaches-100-20200519-p54uhb.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-covid-19-death-toll-reaches-100-20200519-p54uhb.html)



Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on May 25, 2020, 04:07:51 PM
Actually......

the Ruby Princess directly and indirectly has been linked to 11 deaths in Tasmania.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/30/tasmania-coronavirus-outbreak-traced-to-two-ruby-princess-passengers (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/30/tasmania-coronavirus-outbreak-traced-to-two-ruby-princess-passengers)

And as of a few weeks ago, 22 nationally...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-13/australia-coronavirus-death-toll-rises-ruby-princess-fatality/12239626 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-13/australia-coronavirus-death-toll-rises-ruby-princess-fatality/12239626)

The only way you'd get on that boat is on scuba at 120ft.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on May 25, 2020, 04:53:33 PM
Actually......

the Ruby Princess directly and indirectly has been linked to 11 deaths in Tasmania.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/30/tasmania-coronavirus-outbreak-traced-to-two-ruby-princess-passengers (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/apr/30/tasmania-coronavirus-outbreak-traced-to-two-ruby-princess-passengers)

And as of a few weeks ago, 22 directly nationally, ...

https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-covid-19-death-toll-reaches-100-20200519-p54uhb.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/australia-covid-19-death-toll-reaches-100-20200519-p54uhb.html)
Yeah just over 10% of all cases in Australia can be traced back to NSW incompetence. ;)

Would type more, but Gladys will be on the telly soon and I need to make sure I know what advise she has for how the rest of the country should be run today. Ya know, after doing such a great job of leading be example and all that... ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on May 26, 2020, 08:03:16 AM
So it looks like there is indisputable proof with the 5g network link to the virus...

https://www.betootaadvocate.com/breaking-news/1918-spanish-flu-outbreak-linked-to-5g-telegram-network/ (https://www.betootaadvocate.com/breaking-news/1918-spanish-flu-outbreak-linked-to-5g-telegram-network/)

 :cup:     ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on May 26, 2020, 09:16:36 AM
interesting listening to teacher while Beks at home schooing

The local bus company isnt going to let more than 20 people (students or adults) on buses at 1 time... they are also not going to run extra buses to help with all this... so more parents will be driving drop off zones will be chaos etc..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 11, 2020, 11:48:44 AM
Talking to our team in India- They are in deep Shit over there.
The team are in lockdown still (few months now) - but its still spreading like wildfire.

'our state Maharashtra having more then no of cases compared to Wuhan '

I asked if they were in lockdown, and he said
'Some labs have been released slowly back to work at 8 lab is started but IT are working from home but infection is spreading like any thing every day count is increasing..'

I hope people stop pushing for travel and borders to be opened... it wouldnt take much to turn to Shit ...

edit: then you see the headline - 'Melbourne Black Lives Matter protest attendee contracts COVID-19 '.., ****tards
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Post by: tryagain on June 11, 2020, 12:30:05 PM
edit: then you see the headline - 'Melbourne Black Lives Matter protest attendee contracts COVID-19 '.., ****tards

Yep if it turns out the protests caused it to spread, and anyone dies as a result, all the organisers should all be charged with manslaughter. My mates mum died a few weeks back, only 20 were allowed to attend her funeral, he rightly got pissed off that her funeral was substantially limited but then all these clowns are out marching on mass. I think it has a reasonable probability of spectacularly backfiring on those who organised it and it actually causing damage by getting more people offside than on. 

Edit, just saw some of the FB comments on the news article, I think the reasonable probability is a big understatement.
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Post by: Bigfish on June 11, 2020, 02:39:08 PM
Another 8 cases in Mexico Victoria.  Very surprised that someone from the protests on the weekend tested positive.  NOT.   How dumb are some people. Leave the borders as they are.  Why the hell would you open them ?  We have also been warned that if we get a second wave we would be in dire straits economy wise.  Even now the  worlds economic outlook isn't real flash.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 11, 2020, 03:05:20 PM
Quote from: tryagain
Yep if it turns out the protests caused it to spread, and anyone dies as a result, all the organisers should all be charged with manslaughter. My mates mum died a few weeks back, only 20 were allowed to attend her funeral, he rightly got pissed off that her funeral was substantially limited but then all these clowns are out marching on mass. I think it has a reasonable probability of spectacularly backfiring on those who organised it and it actually causing damage by getting more people offside than on. 

Mates wife died 3 weeks ago - 47yrs old... same thing with limited numbers. The funeral was videoed and put on stalkerbook..  Another mate said there were ~20 there spread around the church.
Got another friend in the last weeks of life, ~45yrs old, what a horrible way to spend your last weeks on this rock but locked away from anything and everything incase you catch it.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jimbags on June 11, 2020, 09:24:16 PM
Yup, does suck. Had to fair well my father in law 2 mths ago. Only the immediate family and partners could go. Even the grandkids had to stay home. Was streamed on the internet to hundreds which in hindsight was good for his family overseas who may not have got to see it had we not been forced to due to covid restrictions.

Has been hard on the family and we were so stoked to be able to all catch up last weekend for the first time now that we can have more people over.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on June 12, 2020, 06:46:49 AM
edit: then you see the headline - 'Melbourne Black Lives Matter protest attendee contracts COVID-19 '..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 12, 2020, 10:23:01 AM
and Rent-a-deadShit are at it again
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-protests-planned-for-melbourne-prompt-virus-fears-20200612-p551v0.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-protests-planned-for-melbourne-prompt-virus-fears-20200612-p551v0.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on June 12, 2020, 11:53:11 AM
and Rent-a-deadShit are at it again
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-protests-planned-for-melbourne-prompt-virus-fears-20200612-p551v0.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-protests-planned-for-melbourne-prompt-virus-fears-20200612-p551v0.html)


I can just imagine this happening in China....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: plusnq on June 12, 2020, 01:42:54 PM
and Rent-a-deadShit are at it again
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-protests-planned-for-melbourne-prompt-virus-fears-20200612-p551v0.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/more-protests-planned-for-melbourne-prompt-virus-fears-20200612-p551v0.html)

I saw a twitter thread from a guy that was claiming he was a professional activist and communicator. His job was to get the message out. Interestingly he didn’t claim affiliation with any particular groups. I’d like to see his tax returns. 😂😂😂
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wilson79 on June 12, 2020, 01:53:46 PM
The whole thing is a joke, There would have been much more public support if the decision was made in lines of what we all did during ANZAC day. If it was asked for anyone in support of the cause to put something in their windows or on their letterboxes in show of support, and waited until a more suitable time for protesting I am sure the large majority of the nation might have listened to this cause. But buy putting everything the country has already achieved at risk is just BS
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Post by: Bird on June 12, 2020, 02:08:12 PM
Quote from: wilson79
The whole thing is a joke, There would have been much more public support if the decision was made in lines of what we all did during ANZAC day. If it was asked for anyone in support of the cause to put something in their windows or on their letterboxes in show of support, and waited until a more suitable time for protesting I am sure the large majority of the nation might have listened to this cause. But buy putting everything the country has already achieved at risk is just BS
Just heard on radio SA border opening July 20, and now 10,000 at sporting events - the important Shit..
Wonder how much pressure sporting organizations are reallly laying on Gov Co - and then Gov Co bends over.

Also overseas students allowed to return - GENIUS :'(

I'm a fan of more pain now, than yo-yoing for the next 5 years
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Post by: gronk on June 12, 2020, 02:35:16 PM


I'm a fan of more pain now, than yo-yoing for the next 5 years

I'm with you. But at least they will have to quarantine for 2 weeks ! The students may help the universities bottom line, but they don't do much for the economy. I say forget 2020 and let them in for next years school terms.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on June 15, 2020, 05:06:31 PM
Some interesting comparisons from over the ditch.
Apparently the Kiwis got a bit cranky with others around the world saying it was easy for them to beat the virus because they’re just a small little island.

Maybe it’s not really that small after all;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/f1a3e3af5fd3ad374edbe9f980696d49.jpg)


And perhaps their strategy was just a little bit better then some other countries;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/5326684436360add2c8df2788282650e.jpg)
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Post by: Paddler Ed on June 15, 2020, 05:15:38 PM
Some interesting comparisons from over the ditch.
Apparently the Kiwis got a bit cranky with others around the world saying it was easy for them to beat the virus because they’re just a small little island.

Maybe it’s not really that small after all;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/f1a3e3af5fd3ad374edbe9f980696d49.jpg)


And perhaps their strategy was just a little bit better then some other countries;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/5326684436360add2c8df2788282650e.jpg)

Where's the data from?
Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on June 15, 2020, 05:18:35 PM
Where's the data from?
Just a comparison spreadsheet that an aggravated Kiwi put together using today’s available corona data (15/06/20).

Edit;
They seem to match the official government figures.
 https://covid19.colorado.gov/data/case-data (https://covid19.colorado.gov/data/case-data)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on June 15, 2020, 08:33:44 PM
Some interesting comparisons from over the ditch.
Apparently the Kiwis got a bit cranky with others around the world saying it was easy for them to beat the virus because they’re just a small little island.

Maybe it’s not really that small after all;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/f1a3e3af5fd3ad374edbe9f980696d49.jpg)


And perhaps their strategy was just a little bit better then some other countries;

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200615/5326684436360add2c8df2788282650e.jpg)


Not disputing the figures but it would be a bit more factual if we had the map of NZ overlaid on Colorado if that is the basis of the comparison. Currently NZi is overlaid Germany and France which both have a huge population.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on June 15, 2020, 09:47:07 PM

Not disputing the figures but it would be a bit more factual if we had the map of NZ overlaid on Colorado if that is the basis of the comparison. Currently NZi is overlaid Germany and France which both have a huge population.
Those images where actually a small part of a bigger conversation that started with the European overlay.

The landmass is what it is.
The comparison between NZ and Colorado is just the facts.

Are you suggesting that the 7000% difference in the death rate would mean more to you if there was matching pictures..?? ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on June 15, 2020, 11:04:54 PM
Those images where actually a small part of a bigger conversation that started with the European overlay.

The landmass is what it is.
The comparison between NZ and Colorado is just the facts.

Are you suggesting that the 7000% difference in the death rate would mean more to you if there was matching pictures..?? ;)

No I’m smart enough to understand statistics, I do it often in my job.
Statistics can be skewed to tell you What ever you need to be told and as I said I’m not disputing the static’s, I just merely pointing out the map overlay has no context with the figures and that it would be more beneficial if posting the map overlay, throw up the figures for those country or not post the map as in your post there is no context or correlation between the statistics and map.

I agree NZ have done an exceptional job by Stamping out COVID by locking down their residents and also by closing its borders.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on June 17, 2020, 08:33:23 AM
NZ have done very well, a comparatively small population and geographic isolation have helped immensely, and that is one comparison the stats don't take into consideration. Having said that, that only helps if the right decisions are being made which hindsight says they did.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on June 17, 2020, 09:35:46 AM
Geographic isolation has to be one of the main factors (the same as us).

The comparison I posted earlier clearly shows that another area with almost exactly the same land mass and almost exactly the same population density, that is not geographically isolated from a bunch of nit-wits can be 7000 times worse off. ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tedota on June 17, 2020, 02:39:38 PM
Just had a Covid test done for some dental implants next week.

That is one Shite test to have. Bought tears to my eyes. >:(
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Post by: edz on June 17, 2020, 02:58:27 PM
Havent met anyone yet that reckons they would do it again  any time soon .   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: wakychapmans on June 17, 2020, 03:39:48 PM
Havent met anyone yet that reckons they would do it again  any time soon .

my wife has now had three. She's a pre-school teacher and if she wakes with a cough, or the sniffles. She's not allowed to go to work until she has had a test and been given the all clear.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on June 18, 2020, 03:42:10 AM
Just had a Covid test done for some dental implants next week.

That is one Shite test to have. Bought tears to my eyes. >:(

So will a prostate check..... advantage of the covid one, is ya unlikely to crack a fat during said test. (So I've been told)  :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 18, 2020, 10:17:38 AM
I wonder how bad it REALLY is in China, not what they are telling the world - but actual numbers.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/new-beijing-outbreak-raises-fears-for-the-rest-of-the-world-20200618-p553pg.html (https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/new-beijing-outbreak-raises-fears-for-the-rest-of-the-world-20200618-p553pg.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on June 18, 2020, 03:24:54 PM
my wife has now had three. She's a pre-school teacher and if she wakes with a cough, or the sniffles. She's not allowed to go to work until she has had a test and been given the all clear.

Yep wife has had 3 tests as she is a health professional
DaUghter has had 2 tests, she is frontline retail
Me, I’ve had 1 test and can vouch for it being an ordinary experience
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on June 22, 2020, 09:45:08 PM
Appropriate.....

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on June 24, 2020, 08:00:50 AM
A perspective from a Mexican.

I live in Nillumbik LGA, not a hotspot.  I drove to work in Whittlesea LGA, not a hotspot. My work involves dealing with people who don't obey rules either because they don't think apply to them or don't give a rat's. The area we are tasked to is Whittlesea, Darebin, Hume and Moreland. 3 out 4 are hotspots. Everytime I deal with someone new gloves go on, at the end they are binned and hand sanitiser is used. One box of gloves last only a few days. Bonus is my hands have never been so soft from the sanitiser. When I finally get to wash my hands in water they are slimy from the build up of sanitiser. Our office is tiny and by the time someone is diagnosed new will all have been exposed.

At the end of the day I go home and hope I'm okay. If I catch it I probability will survive.  My family should be okay also. However I know if my parents who are in their 80's catch it it will most likely kill them.  When the max number was 10 was for funerals it would have made a dilemma if either died. It would mean the surviving spouse, 9 out of us 11 kids, no grandkids, no Great Grand kids and none of the spouses.

At the start of all this the plan was if it got bad, I'd move to the mother in law's and she would move to our house.

So the fact that a few people can't understand the basic, stay home if you are sick, and a large portion are trying to get on with their lives has me worried for us.  Doesn't help we are in winter as well

With our higher population density and the added risk of people coming from overseas I'm not surprised our numbers are higher than other states, (but still very low. )

I understand the border closures to  a small degree.  Maybe the federal govt, should have propped up Virgin and used their planes to rescue stranded Aussies and landed them in Qld.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on June 24, 2020, 08:16:33 AM
Why us "selfish" Sandgropers want to leave our borders closed. Sorry its because of all the other selfish A**holes wont do the right thing. Sorry NSW but you will soon be going backwards in restrictions.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on June 24, 2020, 08:24:40 AM
Appropriate.....

Kind of misses the point, which is all about contact tracing and stopping the spread, if one family member gets it then you quarantine the rest as well as anyone who they have come into contact with when they were contagious, when they have been at a protest in close contact with thousands of others it's impossible to do.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Paddler Ed on June 24, 2020, 08:37:52 AM
Why us "selfish" Sandgropers want to leave our borders closed. Sorry its because of all the other selfish A**holes wont do the right thing. Sorry NSW but you will soon be going backwards in restrictions.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370

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Don't disagree.

However, how many repatriation flights are QLD getting compared to NSW and VIC? Its now at the point the govt need to say that window has closed, theres been an uptick in flights sufficient to get you back but there are now no more coming in.

When you look at the reasons people in that section gave for travelling, 1 was to see friends, 2 were to see parents.

Simple thing is, old people don't encourage your children to come and visit. Boomers stop blaming millenials for everything, you can say no to them travelling as well. That would have 2/3 of those travelling in that story.


Tough that they're not near you, but they're all adults. I saw my parents in March. I last saw them in 2018. Last saw the out laws in 2018 as well, and were due to have seen them last month. We might see them next year. We were due to see my Melbourne based brother next month/August. Is that going to happen? Quite probably not because it's just not worth the risk.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on June 24, 2020, 09:02:03 AM
I can travel to the east if really needed, I just cant freely re enter WA. Thats were we are helping ourselves.

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Post by: GeoffA on June 24, 2020, 09:09:48 AM
Kind of misses the point, which is all about contact tracing and stopping the spread, if one family member gets it then you quarantine the rest as well as anyone who they have come into contact with when they were contagious, when they have been at a protest in close contact with thousands of others it's impossible to do.

Have another look at it.

I think you have missed the point....

 :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on June 24, 2020, 09:13:06 AM
All this upheaval, and it's being extended.

I don't know of anyone that's had it....and I don't know anyone that knows of anyone that's had it....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on June 24, 2020, 09:23:25 AM


[quote author=GeoffA link=topic=57068.msg1018734#msg1018734 date=1592953986
I don't know of anyone that's had it....and I don't know anyone that knows of anyone that's had it....
[/quote]
Hopefully it stays that way for everyone. Thats the whole point of restrictions.
Now we are confident of containing the Rona, we are opening up.

Phase 4

27 June 2020

Western Australia’s COVID-19 restrictions will be relaxed even further, as WA’s roadmap is updated to complete the removal of all restrictions. Thats good for those who lost jobs.

Due to the world-leading response to COVID in WA, Phase 4 will start on Saturday, 27 June (11.59pm Friday, 26 June) and the following will apply: 

all existing gathering limits and the 100/300 rule removed gathering limits only determined by WA’s reduced 2sqm rule the 2sqm rule will only include staff at venues that hold more than 500 patrons removal of seated service requirements at food businesses and licensed premises no requirement to maintain patron register at food businesses and licensed premises alcohol can be served as part of unseated service arrangements all events permitted except for large scale, multi-stage music festivals unseated performances permitted at venues such as concert halls, live music venues, bars, pubs and nightclubs gyms operating unstaffed, but regular cleaning must be maintained the casino gaming floor reopening under agreed temporary restrictions.

For WA’s major sport and entertainment venues, a 50 per cent capacity rule will apply. Therefore, under Phase 4 the temporary capacity of Optus Stadium will be 30,633 for sport events (35,000 for concerts), HBF Park can hold 10,150 (16,500 for concerts), RAC Arena can hold 7150 (8250 for concerts).

 

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on June 24, 2020, 09:31:03 AM

[quote author=GeoffA link=topic=57068.msg1018734#msg1018734 date=1592953986
I don't know of anyone that's had it....and I don't know anyone that knows of anyone that's had it....

Hopefully it stays that way for everyone. Thats the whole point of restrictions.


The whole point of the restrictions was to buy time for the hospital system to gear up for the expected onslaught.
It was not about trying to eradicate the virus. The virus will not truly be under control until a vaccine is developed....

 :cheers:
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Post by: Bird on June 24, 2020, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: GeoffA
The virus will not truly be under control until a vaccine is developed....
Think of the time frame so far on cancer or common cold...
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Post by: GeoffA on June 24, 2020, 10:42:26 AM
Think of the time frame so far on cancer or common cold...

Yep. So we might as well just get on with it....
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Post by: Bird on June 24, 2020, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: GeoffA
Yep. So we might as well just get on with it....

its starting to feel that way
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Post by: Bigfish on June 24, 2020, 11:26:18 AM
This is why Qld should keep its borders shut...
Some people are just a waste of space..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370)
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Post by: Kangaron on June 24, 2020, 01:29:09 PM
After being tested, one is supposed to self isolate untill results are obtained.

I wonder how many of the 50,000 Vics tested in the last few days will self isolate.
That is, ISOLATE, in a room, on your own with no contact.
NOT,
swanning around the house with other family members.
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Post by: tryagain on June 24, 2020, 02:15:23 PM
Have another look at it.

I think you have missed the point....

You are correct, although it wasn't even making the second point I that I read into it, not being in VIC I didn't have the background of the aparent "they got it from the BLM rally/got it from family members" argument. Apparently the point is that it could actually be both.
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Post by: Pete79 on June 24, 2020, 02:57:16 PM
You are correct, although it wasn't even making the second point I that I read into it, not being in VIC I didn't have the background of the aparent "they got it from the BLM rally/got it from family members" argument. Apparently the point is that it could actually be both.
I thought the point was that the kid got it from one of the nine infected schools and gave it to the poor innocent protesters.... ;D
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Post by: Bird on June 24, 2020, 02:57:44 PM
This is why Qld should keep its borders shut...
Some people are just a waste of space..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-24/melbourne-passengers-head-to-sydney-despite-coronavirus-surge/12385370)
why wouldnt they?? if there are flights going there, people are going to jump on em. If they really want it to stop, then stop the boats flights.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on June 24, 2020, 02:58:43 PM
After being tested, one is supposed to self isolate untill results are obtained.

I wonder how many of the 50,000 Vics tested in the last few days will self isolate.
That is, ISOLATE, in a room, on your own with no contact.
NOT,
swanning around the house with other family members.
not just hte 50,000 - how many in total?? I'd hazard a guess of <1%
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Post by: gronk on June 24, 2020, 03:07:51 PM
The virus will not truly be under control until a vaccine is developed....

 :cheers:

The bubonic plague and the Spanish flu died out. Admittedly  over a few yrs, but  we in Australia are in the box seat for ridding ourselves of this earlier than a few yrs......but the self isolation rule is too lenient....maybe we have to enforce a 2 week quarantine like returned travellers ??
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Post by: Bigfish on June 24, 2020, 03:42:21 PM
why wouldnt they?? if there are flights going there, people are going to jump on em. If they really want it to stop, then stop the boats flights.

My point is if they feel it is so safe why the f are they donning face masks and full protective suit??  We are in hurry to see the kids in Vic but we would have to be mentally impaired to jump on a plane and head to Vic.  If NSW are happy to have the Vics visit...good on them.  They can have all the virus they get. The attitude of "I,m alright Jack" seems to be alive and well down South.  Just glad they are not jumping on planes to Qld.
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Post by: Bird on June 24, 2020, 04:23:10 PM
Quote from: Bigfish
My point is if they feel it is so safe why the f are they donning face masks and full protective suit?? 

You've never been to Box Hill have you - thats standard issue for the last 13yrs I've been working in the area. They all wear masks.


edit: just to bring a few down to earth in their bubble of NSW

https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6804913/ten-new-cases-of-covid-19-diagnosed-in-nsw-in-24-hours/?cs=12 (https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6804913/ten-new-cases-of-covid-19-diagnosed-in-nsw-in-24-hours/?cs=12)
Ten new cases of COVID-19 were diagnosed in NSW between 8pm on June 22 and 8pm on June 23.

It isnt going to go away.
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Post by: GeoffA on June 24, 2020, 04:24:27 PM
You've never been to Box Hill have you - thats standard issue for the last 13yrs I've been working in the area. They all wear masks.

Yep. They've been wearing them in the CBD for years....
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Post by: Paddler Ed on June 24, 2020, 04:30:06 PM
You've never been to Box Hill have you - thats standard issue for the last 13yrs I've been working in the area. They all wear masks.


edit: just to bring a few down to earth in their bubble of NSW

https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6804913/ten-new-cases-of-covid-19-diagnosed-in-nsw-in-24-hours/?cs=12 (https://www.theleader.com.au/story/6804913/ten-new-cases-of-covid-19-diagnosed-in-nsw-in-24-hours/?cs=12)
Ten new cases of COVID-19 were diagnosed in NSW between 8pm on June 22 and 8pm on June 23.

It isnt going to go away.

So I ask the question again, is it now time to say it's too late to come back in? You've had your chance, but at the moment the risk is too great.

Those 10 are people returning to Australia (Australian permanent residents or citizens) - they've known the risk for the last how many months?
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Post by: Bird on June 24, 2020, 04:40:51 PM
Huge part of the problem- attitude.

Quote
In the meantime they were getting on with life while taking precautions.

Hannah Richardson, 33, who was returning to Melbourne after more than a week visiting her parents and brother in Croydon, in Sydney’s inner west, said NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian was "being a bit over-cautious".

"I think it was a little bit much," she said. "I mean, there's been a spike [in Victorian coronavirus cases], but it's not outrageous, right?

"Twenty new cases isn't a huge amount each day. So it's probably a little bit unnecessary."

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/travellers-rattled-by-warnings-but-still-heading-to-and-from-victoria-20200624-p555s2.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/travellers-rattled-by-warnings-but-still-heading-to-and-from-victoria-20200624-p555s2.html)
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Post by: gronk on June 24, 2020, 05:50:54 PM

Ten new cases of COVID-19 were diagnosed in NSW between 8pm on June 22 and 8pm on June 23.

It isnt going to go away.

Those are not numbers worth reporting....they are ALL in lockdown.....returned travellers.

I don't agree with travellers still coming in, but by law we have to let them back in.

I don't know the exact rules, but after the full 14 days of lockdown, they should then have another test before being allowed to leave. If that runs into 15 days or 16, before results are back, then so be it..
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Post by: glenm64 on June 24, 2020, 07:14:25 PM
Community transferred numbers is what you need to worry about. Quarantined are controlled, community spread isnt.

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Post by: rags on June 24, 2020, 07:32:42 PM
Those are not numbers worth reporting....they are ALL in lockdown.....returned travellers.

I don't agree with travellers still coming in, but by law we have to let them back in.

I don't know the exact rules, but after the full 14 days of lockdown, they should then have another test before being allowed to leave. If that runs into 15 days or 16, before results are back, then so be it..

Gronk, A couple of points on international arrivals of Australian and New Zealand passport holders. This applies for UK arrivals.
The Australian government had been repatriating citizens from the Uk twice weekly for a month or so. The last of these flights left the UK on Friday 5 June, a Dreamliner Qantas flight landing in Melbourne on the Saturday 6 June. Cost of a one way fare was $1600.
On arrival travellers are issued a detention notice from Border Forces and are taken to a hotel to complete 14 days quarantine.
While in quarantine detainees are subjected to 3 COVID tests, 1 one arrival, 1 mid stay and  1 prior to leaving after 14 days. Subject to passing those tests they are issued another notice that they must leave the quarantine facility and go there own way.
For some this may mean hoping on a domestic flight to their home state.
One arrival in their own state they are subject to the laws of that state. For a QLD resident this means either free to enter society or go home and isolate. How is this decided is subject to what the traveller did in the time following leaving detention but prior to flying home. If they proceeded to go straight to the airport and fly home, well they do not need to re isolate, if they stayed an additional night in Melbourne they will then need to isolate again, receiving a direction notice on arrival.

Seems like a pretty reasonable outcome and one that if your son, daughter, mother brother was caught up overseas because of circumstances and can benefit from I think you would agree that we have a grateful and caring society and not a selfish one.
As Glenn64 states I don’t think international arrivals are a problem and most likely won’t continue to be a huge problem as government repatriation flights stop and the  airline operators limit flights.
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Post by: gronk on June 24, 2020, 08:04:09 PM
The last of these flights left the UK on Friday 5 June, a Dreamliner Qantas flight landing in Melbourne on the Saturday 6 June.

But we are getting flights every day from other parts of the world.

As per Glenm64, community transferred are the numbers we should be worried about, which NSW has had one for the last week.
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Post by: Bigfish on June 24, 2020, 08:12:55 PM
You would have thought that  people who were caught out last time and labelled as fools, selfish and idiots would learn.  Nope....toilet paper is again being bought en mass!  Please , anyone....what is the bloody point of stocking up on dunny paper???
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Post by: Champin on June 24, 2020, 08:27:13 PM
It does appear the people hoarding toilet paper are full of Shit

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Post by: glenm64 on June 24, 2020, 09:34:25 PM
It does appear the people hoarding toilet paper are full of Shit

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on June 24, 2020, 10:11:53 PM
Community transferred numbers is what you need to worry about. Quarantined are controlled, community spread isnt.
Except in Melbourne 2 security guards at 2 of the Quarantine hotels also caught it. They then took it home causing the community spread.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on June 25, 2020, 06:10:27 AM
Except in Melbourne 2 security guards at 2 of the Quarantine hotels also caught it. They then took it home causing the community spread.

The big issue is simple.  Scientists just do not know enough about the virus. Its incubation period, rate of transfer, environmental needs, long lasting affect etc.etc..  far too many unknowns yet people treat it as a nothing virus that should be alright. I consider mankind to be a rather dumb species.  The behaviour of some people, politicians, social media posters and different sections of society bear testament to this.
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Post by: Bird on June 26, 2020, 10:38:24 AM
How other countries are dealing with it, and why it aint going to go away, probably ever.


https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/absolutely-appalled-major-incident-declared-as-thousands-cram-onto-english-beaches-20200626-p556bz.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/absolutely-appalled-major-incident-declared-as-thousands-cram-onto-english-beaches-20200626-p556bz.html)

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on June 26, 2020, 01:21:21 PM
Gronk, A couple of points on international arrivals of Australian and New Zealand passport holders. This applies for UK arrivals.
The Australian government had been repatriating citizens from the Uk twice weekly for a month or so. The last of these flights left the UK on Friday 5 June, a Dreamliner Qantas flight landing in Melbourne on the Saturday 6 June. Cost of a one way fare was $1600.
On arrival travellers are issued a detention notice from Border Forces and are taken to a hotel to complete 14 days quarantine.
While in quarantine detainees are subjected to 3 COVID tests, 1 one arrival, 1 mid stay and  1 prior to leaving after 14 days. Subject to passing those tests they are issued another notice that they must leave the quarantine facility and go there own way.
For some this may mean hoping on a domestic flight to their home state.
One arrival in their own state they are subject to the laws of that state. For a QLD resident this means either free to enter society or go home and isolate. How is this decided is subject to what the traveller did in the time following leaving detention but prior to flying home. If they proceeded to go straight to the airport and fly home, well they do not need to re isolate, if they stayed an additional night in Melbourne they will then need to isolate again, receiving a direction notice on arrival.

Seems like a pretty reasonable outcome and one that if your son, daughter, mother brother was caught up overseas because of circumstances and can benefit from I think you would agree that we have a grateful and caring society and not a selfish one.
As Glenn64 states I don’t think international arrivals are a problem and most likely won’t continue to be a huge problem as government repatriation flights stop and the  airline operators limit flights.
My cousin had to isolate at home when she returned from NZ right at the start of the lockdowns.
Was talking to her mum the other day and was very impressed with how strict they where with her, not letting her mingle with the rest of the family in the house at all for the whole 2 weeks.

Just heard there is currently 3000 people in isolation in Queensland today.
Only 800 of those are in hotels, the rest are in the community.

Maybe we are just doing a better job at following the rules then some other states.
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Post by: austastar on June 26, 2020, 02:53:32 PM
Sheesh,
              You'd need a cut lunch and a map for the walk from where you parked the car to get to that beach,
Cheers


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Post by: rags on June 26, 2020, 07:51:00 PM
My cousin had to isolate at home when she returned from NZ right at the start of the lockdowns.
Was talking to her mum the other day and was very impressed with how strict they where with her, not letting her mingle with the rest of the family in the house at all for the whole 2 weeks.

Just heard there is currently 3000 people in isolation in Queensland today.
Only 800 of those are in hotels, the rest are in the community.

Maybe we are just doing a better job at following the rules then some other states.

The 3000 will be interstate travellers and some who have already done isolation as detention in hotels interstate. The 800 will be  international arrivals.  Most international flights are coming through Victoria or NSW.

I had a laugh today when I seen a press conference from Qld today where people isolating at home were warned that the police will be doing checks on those people from MONDAY. Don’t want to ruin the budget with OT payments.  Beauty ofF to the beach on Saturday or Sunday.
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Post by: McGirr on June 27, 2020, 08:19:23 AM
Just crossed the Qld border with our pass towing the caravan and waved through the checkpoint.

Mark
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Post by: alnjan on June 27, 2020, 01:57:12 PM
Just crossed the Qld border with our pass towing the caravan and waved through the checkpoint.

Mark

Yep as long as the A is on show, just waved through, no checking.   It's just a joke.
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Post by: Bigfish on June 28, 2020, 07:49:55 AM
And......
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Post by: Fox67 on June 28, 2020, 01:08:43 PM
Yep just finished weekly grocery shop - there is a shortage of toilet paper and paper towel on local Coles shelves (at least on Sunshine Coast)

We couldn't be that stupid again surely?
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Post by: alnjan on June 28, 2020, 01:37:58 PM
Yep just finished weekly grocery shop - there is a shortage of toilet paper and paper towel on local Coles shelves (at least on Sunshine Coast)

We couldn't be that stupid again surely?

Is that a challenge??
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Post by: Bigfish on June 28, 2020, 01:42:05 PM
Is that a challenge??

Challenge accepted and completed.  Redlynch,  Coles was nearly out.   The loony fringe strike again... >:D >:D >:D
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Post by: #jonesy on June 28, 2020, 06:23:28 PM
Are the locals stocking up in preparation for us Mexicans?
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Post by: Hairs on June 29, 2020, 06:58:36 PM
In 4 months 103 Covid Deaths and country Shut down same time 720 male sucides yet no fuss
Why??
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Post by: Pottsy on June 29, 2020, 07:16:59 PM
In 4 months 103 Covid Deaths and country Shut down same time 720 male sucides yet no fuss
Why??
Having lost a brother to suicide I am sometimes baffled by our inability to talk about it, there will have been on average eight suicides a day, 6 men and 2 women. 95% of men who attempt suicide succeed.
Less than 20% of women succeed and it is seen as a cry for help.
We are better at discussing than we were twenty years ago but still it doesn’t get enough attention.
It would be highlighted if we posted numbers like we do with the road toll.
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Post by: rags on June 29, 2020, 07:29:30 PM
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Having lost a brother to suicide I am sometimes baffled by our inability to talk about it, there will have been on average eight suicides a day, 6 men and 2 women. 95% of men who attempt suicide succeed.
Less than 20% of women succeed and it is seen as a cry for help.
We are better at discussing than we were twenty years ago but still it doesn’t get enough attention.
It would be highlighted if we posted numbers like we do with the road toll.


So now that we have raised this issue can I urge all out there to have a look at this ABC program
 https://iview.abc.net.au/show/man-up?isMobile=iOS (https://iview.abc.net.au/show/man-up?isMobile=iOS)
Or go to Manup foundation
 http://manup.org.au/ (http://manup.org.au/)
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Post by: Hairs on June 29, 2020, 07:48:55 PM
Pottsy,
A work mate has,
A very good mates Father and his brother has.
I'm mates with a few Coppers( serving and retied) there have attended.
It effects all, but very rarely mentioned.

Thank you
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Post by: Pottsy on June 29, 2020, 08:03:31 PM
Hairs, my brother was serving police officer at the time of his suicide, he was just one of four officers I know of that committed suicide. I remember the day as if it was just yesterday but it was 22 years ago. Yes the effects can be far reaching, sadly there is a stigma which suicide attracts, sometimes through ignorance, sometimes through anger.

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Post by: Hairs on June 29, 2020, 08:23:56 PM
Pottsy,
I can not start to imagine what you have, still going through.
Take care.
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Post by: gronk on June 29, 2020, 09:24:27 PM
sadly there is a stigma which suicide attracts, sometimes through ignorance, sometimes through anger.

I think a lot of people think "how could they do that and leave a wife,mother ,sister or whoever behind" but a depressed person isn't thinking of that in their dire times.

I know a person who has had many many thoughts of that dark road ahead, but the next step of converting thoughts into action is maybe the area that we need to understand how or if it will happen ?
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Post by: Pottsy on June 29, 2020, 09:38:05 PM
I think a lot of people think "how could they do that and leave a wife,mother ,sister or whoever behind" but a depressed person isn't thinking of that in their dire times.

I know a person who has had many many thoughts of that dark road ahead, but the next step of converting thoughts into action is maybe the area that we need to understand how or if it will happen ?
As silly as this may seem it is sometimes a combination of a spur of the moment decision and the where with all to do it. Access to a weapon, dark thoughts whilst at work in comparison to, dark thoughts, no weapon and being at home.
Can you pick a suicidal person, I don’t believe so, the only real indicators you may see is if the effected person opens up, admits they are having some issues and seeks help.
It is important to allow people to vent sometimes, listen, offer help,let people know you are therefor them and encourage them to seek professional help
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Post by: Pottsy on June 29, 2020, 09:42:56 PM
Pottsy,
I can not start to imagine what you have, still going through.
Take care.
Hairs, I’m good mate, I had some experiences in my teenage years which changed my way of thinking and I’ve learnt to accept what life can throw at you and not lose sleep or worry about the things I can’t control. Do I get wound up sometimes, you betcha, but it doesn’t last long and I move on.
Cheers mate.
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Post by: alnjan on June 29, 2020, 09:51:38 PM
I think a lot of people think "how could they do that and leave a wife,mother ,sister or whoever behind" but a depressed person isn't thinking of that in their dire times.

I know a person who has had many many thoughts of that dark road ahead, but the next step of converting thoughts into action is maybe the area that we need to understand how or if it will happen ?

I only base this on personal experience from my prior occupation, for most suicides that final next to them was the next natural step to take.  While some had taken extraordinary measures before hand, others were impulse actions but for either it was a their next natural step.
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Post by: Bird on June 30, 2020, 03:00:44 PM
Should be an interesting press conference by Andrews at 3.15...
Back to sq1 or pure lockdown.... who knows.
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Post by: Bird on June 30, 2020, 03:25:52 PM
Dan live now

https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-who-chief-warns-pandemic-not-even-close-to-being-over-australian-death-toll-stands-at-104-20200630-p557gk.html#p50roh (https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-who-chief-warns-pandemic-not-even-close-to-being-over-australian-death-toll-stands-at-104-20200630-p557gk.html#p50roh)

900+ in 1 suburb refused testing... Broadmeadows LMAO


Lockdown orders to be imposed in 10 Melbourne postcodes

Stay at home orders will be imposed on 10 Melbourne postcodes in Melbourne's north and west from tomorrow night because of "unacceptably high" rates of community transmission of coronavirus, Premier Daniel Andrews has said.

From 11.59pm tomorrow until July 24, Premier Andrews said people in the postcodes 3012, 3021, 3032, 3038, 3042, 3046, 3047, 3055, 3060, 3064 should only leave home for work, to provide care, to get exercise or to buy groceries.

He said anyone in these postcodes who was found outside their home without a reason would receive an on-the-spot fine.

Premier Andrews said the action was being taken in these postcodes to prevent the virus from spreading and the situation reaching a stage where "every postcode" had to be locked down.
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Post by: Bigfish on June 30, 2020, 03:53:29 PM
Dan live now

https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-who-chief-warns-pandemic-not-even-close-to-being-over-australian-death-toll-stands-at-104-20200630-p557gk.html#p50roh (https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-who-chief-warns-pandemic-not-even-close-to-being-over-australian-death-toll-stands-at-104-20200630-p557gk.html#p50roh)

900+ in 1 suburb refused testing... Broadmeadows LMAO


Lockdown orders to be imposed in 10 Melbourne postcodes

Stay at home orders will be imposed on 10 Melbourne postcodes in Melbourne's north and west from tomorrow night because of "unacceptably high" rates of community transmission of coronavirus, Premier Daniel Andrews has said.

From 11.59pm tomorrow until July 24, Premier Andrews said people in the postcodes 3012, 3021, 3032, 3038, 3042, 3046, 3047, 3055, 3060, 3064 should only leave home for work, to provide care, to get exercise or to buy groceries.

He said anyone in these postcodes who was found outside their home without a reason would receive an on-the-spot fine.

Premier Andrews said the action was being taken in these postcodes to prevent the virus from spreading and the situation reaching a stage where "every postcode" had to be locked down.



And they are not welcome in Qld as well.   Border to remain shut....   Seems to me, from news reports , that immigrants are a major part of the issue...regardless...If you refuse testing..you do forced isolation.  Wonder what part of "deadly virus" they dont understand.
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Post by: Hairs on June 30, 2020, 05:18:14 PM
Hairs, I’m good mate, I had some experiences in my teenage years which changed my way of thinking and I’ve learnt to accept what life can throw at you and not lose sleep or worry about the things I can’t control. Do I get wound up sometimes, you betcha, but it doesn’t last long and I move on.
Cheers mate.
Awesome, Hmmm, I too get emotional, want to scream, pull walls down at times, but then I come here to MySwag and read the posts, that puts a smile on my dial.
Take care mate.
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Post by: Champin on June 30, 2020, 07:28:48 PM
I've been wondering if the number of corona cases is relative to the extent of testing being carried out. Victoria has been doing a mega lot of testing in the last few weeks. Some of the test sites around Melbourne have had waiting times of 3-4 hours. Curious to see what other states are doing.

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Post by: Bird on June 30, 2020, 07:55:43 PM
I've been wondering if the number of corona cases is relative to the extent of testing being carried out. Victoria has been doing a mega lot of testing in the last few weeks. Some of the test sites around Melbourne have had waiting times of 3-4 hours. Curious to see what other states are doing.

as you say, chances are more testing = more positives... in reality other states could very well be in the same boat.
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Post by: xcvator on June 30, 2020, 08:06:19 PM
as you say, chances are more testing = more positives... in reality other states could very well be in the same boat.

We could just do a "trump"
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Post by: wakychapmans on June 30, 2020, 08:55:50 PM
We could just do a "trump"

yep... less testing = less positive results = WINNING!!!!  :cheers:

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Post by: gronk on June 30, 2020, 09:13:11 PM
as you say, chances are more testing = more positives... in reality other states could very well be in the same boat.

They could be, but in reality you mexicans are all on your own with this one. NSW for one still do a lot of testing, but even with reduced testing, there would still be some positive tests if the virus was hanging around.
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Post by: plusnq on July 01, 2020, 06:41:03 AM
They could be, but in reality you mexicans are all on your own with this one. NSW for one still do a lot of testing, but even with reduced testing, there would still be some positive tests if the virus was hanging around.

Same in QLD. Just an unlucky confluence of events in Victoria. The businesses in those suburbs must be doing it really tough, having just reopened recently.
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Post by: HKB Electronics on July 01, 2020, 09:52:51 AM
Reality is this Virus came in from overseas,  most of the states left the hard work of dealing with those coming in on international
flights to Melbourne and Sydney, the other states didn't want to have to deal with their possibly infected residents returning home.

Unfortunately the Victorian goverment got a private company in to deal with security which obviously was not a good idea
now the Victorian public has to pay the price for the other states unwillingness to take on their responsibilities and the Victorian
governments poor choice of security arrangements.   
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Post by: Bigfish on July 01, 2020, 10:22:30 AM
Reality is this Virus came in from overseas,  most of the states left the hard work of dealing with those coming in on international
flights to Melbourne and Sydney, the other states didn't want to have to deal with their possibly infected residents returning home.

Unfortunately the Victorian goverment got a private company in to deal with security which obviously was not a good idea
now the Victorian public has to pay the price for the other states unwillingness to take on their responsibilities and the Victorian
governments poor choice of security arrangements.

What are the other states "unwillingnss to take on their responsibilities"  . Each state premier has a duty to its people first.  What responsibilities did the other states abuse?
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Post by: Bird on July 01, 2020, 10:52:21 AM
What are the other states "unwillingnss to take on their responsibilities"  . Each state premier has a duty to its people first.  What responsibilities did the other states abuse?
Then why didnt people coming back from O/S land in their own states? Instead of quarantine in NSW/Vic.... thats the responsibilities.
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Post by: HKB Electronics on July 01, 2020, 10:58:01 AM
As above,

Seems now VIC refuses to take SA residents for instance they find a way to fly them directly into SA.

I see no reason why VIC & NSW had to take most of the returning travelers into quarantine and pay for it.
I suspect though that it was forced on them by the other states unwillingness to take responsibility for their
own residents.

Preferably they should have either flown directly to the states concerned or if they had to land in another state
they should have been placed directly onto flights back to their own state. If the state needed to hire an
empty jet so be it, why did they have to be quarantined in VIC & NSW with those states having to cover the cost
and take responsibility for their quarantine?
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Post by: Spada on July 01, 2020, 11:10:15 AM
Then why didnt people coming back from O/S land in their own states?

My guess is choice? I mean, Qld is the only state with 3 international airports (Cairns, Brisbane and Gold Coast) so if it was Qld travellers returning from overseas they would have entered via a Qld airport. I'm guessing it was NSW and Vic travellers (with their higher proportion of immigrant population) returning from overseas origins to their respective home states is why those 2 states have a higher number of international travellers bringing in the virus (cruise ships excluded).
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Post by: Bigfish on July 01, 2020, 11:26:11 AM
My guess is choice? I mean, Qld is the only state with 3 international airports (Cairns, Brisbane and Gold Coast) so if it was Qld travellers returning from overseas they would have entered via a Qld airport. I'm guessing it was NSW and Vic travellers (with their higher proportion of immigrant population) returning from overseas origins to their respective home states is why those 2 states have a higher number of international travellers bringing in the virus (cruise ships excluded).

By far the biggest amount of people returning from overseas were Vic or NSW residents. Every person who flies in has to isolate for 14 days.  Cant imagine a plane with 120 passengers with 10 of them from Qld and the rest from Vic or Nsw having the slightest chance of landing at a Qld airport. Every state tests the passengers and is reponsible for the containment of the virus...Vic obviously had a negligent private company looking after the quarantine.  I dont think any state has shirked its responsibilities.  All the states that closed their borders are doing well...same as overseas models of closure. All states want to see Vic and NSW get on top of the virus.  It seems that their are plenty of covidiots in some Melbourne suburbs who just dont get it..Lets face it....not a great sign of ones intelligence if dunny role hoarding is a priority.. :cheers:
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Post by: Pete79 on July 01, 2020, 11:36:35 AM
The question was asked (or a more the point, a statement was made) on here a little while ago, so I did some searching on repatriation flights direct into Brisbane.
Basically none available.

So what we have here is the "important" states that love to make everyone else in the rest of the country revolve around them, now complaining that they are the center of attention.
Go figure.....
But obviously it's the QLD Government's fault that the vast majority of overseas travelers came from NSW and VIC and they dictated where the repatriation flights landed.

I just can't wait to hear from team Murdoch how it's the QLD Government's fault that SA has kept it's borders closed... ::)

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Post by: Bigfish on July 01, 2020, 11:48:47 AM
The question was asked (or a more the point, a statement was made) on here a little while ago, so I did some searching on repatriation flights direct into Brisbane.
Basically none available.

So what we have here is the "important" states that love to make everyone else in the rest of the country revolve around them, now complaining that they are the center of attention.
Go figure.....
But obviously it's the QLD Government's fault that the vast majority of overseas travelers came from NSW and VIC and they dictated where the repatriation flights landed.

I just can't wait to hear from team Murdoch how it's the QLD Government's fault that SA has kept it's borders closed... ::)

All the states/territories and federal govt have been having weekly/fortnightly meetings for several months now.  I am sure that the subject of quarantine costs would have been sorted ages ago.  as well.    Victoria shutting down suburbs is no different to shutting down the states. The numbers are different but the aim is the same.  Common sense seems in short supply in many people.

We have a very long way to go before we can relax any laws.  If you want to see complete lunacy...check out Americas actions.
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Post by: austastar on July 01, 2020, 12:18:28 PM


   Victoria shutting down suburbs is no different to shutting down the states.

Hi,
   Suburbs and postcodes are not designed to be used this way. It is a very poor choice of tool, BUT it is the only one to hand at the moment.
Lines drawn on sketchy maps, by out of touch Poms 2 centuries ago,  have caused similar problems around the world ever since.
Different rules on either side of an arbitrary line.
Administratively it can work, but practically it is crazy!
Perhaps we should be designing in swathes of parkland to our suburbs as divisions, or only creating arbitrary lines in areas of very sparse population?
(Says he, sitting in the sun with a coffee, on a little island 200 km from the nearest hot spot).
Cheers

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Post by: Spada on July 01, 2020, 12:37:29 PM
Suburbs and postcodes are not designed to be used this way. It is a very poor choice of tool

Agreed. Postcodes are managed by AusPost and exist purely for the purpose of directing mail products to the appropriate delivery networks. 2 postcodes side by side in an urban area can have significantly different demographics and a huge variance in geographic area and may combine any number of locality/suburb names. The postcode allocation has absolutely no relevance to how many people live in the area.

Locality/suburb names are set by local governments (and maintained by DNRM), they are typically much more focused on geographic area, and much more specific in demographic. The only advantage of using a postcode is that people more readily identify with that. You'd be amazed how many people think they live somewhere different to where they actually are. An incredible amount of people use the developers estate (marketing) name as their suburb, not the true locality name.
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Post by: austastar on July 01, 2020, 12:41:23 PM
Hi,
    Like "Lollypop Hill, happyness all the time."?

Now tell me that is not an overseas financed  development.

Cheers

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Post by: Spada on July 01, 2020, 12:51:02 PM
Then why didnt people coming back from O/S land in their own states? Instead of quarantine in NSW/Vic.... thats the responsibilities.

Seems they may be disbursed among other states now  >:D
https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/06/melbourne-diverts-all-international-flights-due-to-spike-fears/ (https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/06/melbourne-diverts-all-international-flights-due-to-spike-fears/)
and from the ABC -
Quote
Daniel Andrews said a good chunk of those flights have been diverted to New South Wales and Queensland.
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Post by: alnjan on July 01, 2020, 01:55:06 PM
http://www.mygc.com.au/queensland-border-reopening-everything-you-need-to-know/?fbclid=IwAR1NR4M1nk0d1ewOi9tsLCbDE8BIj96pxOaLADHCSc2cMfTsddeoGJTs_KU (http://www.mygc.com.au/queensland-border-reopening-everything-you-need-to-know/?fbclid=IwAR1NR4M1nk0d1ewOi9tsLCbDE8BIj96pxOaLADHCSc2cMfTsddeoGJTs_KU)

From 12 noon, July 3 –

Any person (whether a Queensland resident or non-Queensland resident) who has been in any local government area within the State of Victoria within the last 14 days should not come to Queensland. If they do, they must undergo mandatory quarantine in a hotel at their own expense for a minimum of 14 days.
Queensland residents must not travel to any local government area in Victoria.
The Queensland Government will implement enhanced border control measures, including border passes and identification screening.
From 12 noon 10 July –

From 10 July 2020, any person from New South Wales, Western Australia, South Australia, Tasmania, the Australian Capital Territory and the Northern Territory may enter Queensland subject to completing and signing a border declaration.
If any person entering Queensland from whatever place has spent time in any local government area in Victoria during the past 14 days, they will be subject to mandatory hotel quarantine.
 

All persons entering Queensland must complete and sign a border declaration stating they have not been to any local government area in Victoria in the past 14 days. Penalties up to $4000 apply for false
statements.
All flights will be checked and road vehicle borders will be enforced.
Police will enforce quarantine.
A person who refuses testing in quarantine will be subject to a further 10-day period at cost
Source: Queensland Government
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Post by: Bigfish on July 01, 2020, 02:20:46 PM
http://www.mygc.com.au/queensland-border-reopening-everything-you-need-to-know/?fbclid=IwAR1NR4M1nk0d1ewOi9tsLCbDE8BIj96pxOaLADHCSc2cMfTsddeoGJTs_KU (http://www.mygc.com.au/queensland-border-reopening-everything-you-need-to-know/?fbclid=IwAR1NR4M1nk0d1ewOi9tsLCbDE8BIj96pxOaLADHCSc2cMfTsddeoGJTs_KU)

From 12 noon, July 3 –

Any person (whether a Queensland resident or non-Queensland resident) who has been in any local government area within the State of Victoria within the last 14 days should not come to Queensland. If they do, they must undergo mandatory quarantine in a hotel at their own expense for a minimum of 14 days.
Queensland residents must not travel to any local government area in Victoria.
The Queensland Government will implement enhanced border control measures, including border passes and identification screening.
From 12 noon 10 July –

From 10 July 2020, any person from New South Wales, Western Australia, South Australia, Tasmania, the Australian Capital Territory and the Northern Territory may enter Queensland subject to completing and signing a border declaration.
If any person entering Queensland from whatever place has spent time in any local government area in Victoria during the past 14 days, they will be subject to mandatory hotel quarantine.
 

All persons entering Queensland must complete and sign a border declaration stating they have not been to any local government area in Victoria in the past 14 days. Penalties up to $4000 apply for false
statements.
All flights will be checked and road vehicle borders will be enforced.
Police will enforce quarantine.
A person who refuses testing in quarantine will be subject to a further 10-day period at cost
Source: Queensland Government


NSW has similar rules now...however its an $11,000 fine...
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Post by: Bird on July 01, 2020, 02:37:06 PM
Quote from: Bigfish
NSW has similar rules now...however its an $11,000 fine...
gotta pay the bills.
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Post by: rags on July 01, 2020, 06:09:06 PM
As above,

Seems now VIC refuses to take SA residents for instance they find a way to fly them directly into SA.

I see no reason why VIC & NSW had to take most of the returning travelers into quarantine and pay for it.
I suspect though that it was forced on them by the other states unwillingness to take responsibility for their
own residents.

Preferably they should have either flown directly to the states concerned or if they had to land in another state
they should have been placed directly onto flights back to their own state. If the state needed to hire an
empty jet so be it, why did they have to be quarantined in VIC & NSW with those states having to cover the cost
and take responsibility for their quarantine?

The best example of this was the flight my daughter arrived home on from the UK.  It was a Australian Government sponsored flight, the last flight the government sponsored from the UK. ( passengers did pay a fare of  approx $1650j
It was a Qantas plane ( Dreamliner I think), that landed around 3 weeks ago. This  plane flew direct to Australia making its first stop in Perth but only to refuel and passengers were certainly not allowed to disembark.
It’s next stop being it’s final stop was  Melbourne where passengers got put up in hotels to quarantine.
After being released travellers could return to the respective home state including those from WA even though they flew through that state.
For our daughter she is into week 2 of isolation iat home here in BNE after completing the same in Melbourne.
I get the plane needs to land somewhere and couldn’t do a shuttle stop around the country but I’m not sure why Victoria was chosen as the final destination.
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Post by: Hairs on July 04, 2020, 07:19:28 PM
Just want to give a shout out to our Vic Swaggers.
Take care.
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Post by: #jonesy on July 04, 2020, 07:57:30 PM
Just want to give a shout out to our Vic Swaggers.
Take care.

Thanks.

Just don't let us come visit as we are a bunch of selfish pricks. Well only a few but, it is bringing us all down with them.
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Post by: alnjan on July 04, 2020, 08:51:34 PM
See the Queensland Border Pass has changed.  No more A stuck on the windscreen, now there is a G. 
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Post by: Hairs on July 04, 2020, 08:56:24 PM
See the Queensland Border Pass has changed.  No more A stuck on the windscreen, now there is a G.
So getting the "G" will get you in?
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Post by: alnjan on July 04, 2020, 08:58:30 PM
Victoria has recorded 108 new positive cases of coronavirus in the last 24 hours.
It is the state's second biggest increase in cases and the biggest jump since March 28.
The state government has also locked down nine public housing apartment blocks, effective immediately.
These housing blocks are located in the Melbourne suburbs of Flemington and North Melbourne.
Victoria Premier Dan Andrews said the nine public housing towers would be in "hard lockdown" for five days.
Approximately 3000 people including children are residents of the buildings.
No one is allowed to enter or exit the residences - unless they are residents returning home.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-victoria-records-108-new-cases-biggest-jump-since-march-28/6c6b3a49-1daf-4221-a6b8-e3572aaa7db4 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-victoria-records-108-new-cases-biggest-jump-since-march-28/6c6b3a49-1daf-4221-a6b8-e3572aaa7db4)
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Post by: corndog on July 04, 2020, 09:48:19 PM
A lot more s**t is about to hit the fan in Melbourne. The saying goes "watch this spot" but I'm  going with "spots".
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Post by: Hairs on July 05, 2020, 03:20:11 PM
A lot more s**t is about to hit the fan in Melbourne. The saying goes "watch this spot" but I'm  going with "spots".
It's a worry :(
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Post by: Bird on July 06, 2020, 09:39:16 AM
Quote from: alnjan
Victoria has recorded 108 new positive cases of coronavirus in the last 24 hours.

Increased testing will probably give more positives...
Its going to get worse before it gets better..
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Post by: brickiematt on July 06, 2020, 10:43:41 AM
Just want to give a shout out to our Vic Swaggers.
Take care.

Thanks Hairs.
All jokes aside for the minute, this second wave has hit us hard and affected a lot of people very badly down here.
Many will not recover from losing their jobs, their business, their houses.
My sister is a cop, she has told me the number of suicides she attends each week has more than doubled.
All swaggers  take care, and please take care of your mental health. There are many ears in this forum willing to listen.
Cheers
Matt
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Post by: alnjan on July 06, 2020, 02:38:54 PM
Increased testing will probably give more positives...
Its going to get worse before it gets better..

Yep it will.  Needs doing and needs to be enforceable, no declining or refusing.   127 case yesterday.   Hard lockdowns and sounds like more to come.   

Not good at all.   

Stay safe
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Post by: corndog on July 06, 2020, 04:20:52 PM
Just got back from the bank at the shopping center. Guy in front of me gets to the counter. I hear the teller ask him if he's come out of a lockdown area. He smiles and mumbles something in bad english pointing to stuff he had in his hands and waving them around. Teller goes off at him saying he can't come out of a lockdown area, certainly not to do what he's doing now. He smiles, mumbles, points waves his hands then walks out and off into the shopping center. He did know what he was doing. I looked around to see if any cops around, couldn't see one. Closest lockdown area would be at least 10klms away. How many more are doing the same thing?
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Post by: #jonesy on July 06, 2020, 04:53:07 PM
NSW will close the borders to Victorians and gives us a couple of days notice. Why give us that much time? 

Why not come out and say midnight tonight, that's it. Basically enough notice that if you are on the road you can get there, but not enough to do a mad dash.

At least when they locked down the apartment towers in Melbourne it was immediate.

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Post by: rags on July 06, 2020, 06:17:31 PM
NSW will close the borders to Victorians and gives us a couple of days notice. Why give us that much time? 

Why not come out and say midnight tonight, that's it. Basically enough notice that if you are on the road you can get there, but not enough to do a mad dash.

At least when they locked down the apartment towers in Melbourne it was immediate.

Maybe the apartment residents don’t need a permit system as they can’t leave so an immediate lockdown could happen.
I would say the NSW govt needed to get their stuff sorted to have a permit in place before lockdown..
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Post by: bmwfreak on July 06, 2020, 07:18:02 PM
Watching the news, right now, how many residents in the locked down apartments In Vic are not current/first generation migrants or refugees. They are starving to death because the donated food does not meet their cultural needs ??? As Pauline said earlier this week, why are you here if you are not willing to conform to the local lifestyle or integrate into the Australian community. Transferring your culture from where you have come from to our community is not the way to avoid the issues you have ‘escaped’ from. You have merely changed the continent you live on.
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Post by: gronk on July 06, 2020, 07:29:01 PM
Watching the news, right now, how many residents in the locked down apartments In Vic are not current/first generation migrants or refugees. They are starving to death because the donated food does not meet their cultural needs ??? As Pauline said earlier this week, why are you here if you are not willing to conform to the local lifestyle or integrate into the Australian community. Transferring your culture from where you have come from to our community is not the way to avoid the issues you have ‘escaped’ from. You have merely changed the continent you live on.

I agree. But the idea that they can't eat our "normal" food doesn't hold weight though.....look at them on a weekend at maccas !!  If they can throw that rubbish down their throats, they can't complain about too much !!

Plenty of them are complaining about being locked down, but a lot are too dumb to realize it might just save their life..
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Post by: Kangaron on July 06, 2020, 08:42:16 PM
It seems strange that after 24 hrs they were complaining about the lack of supplies and food.
All their fridges and pantries must have been empty when lockdown started.

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Post by: bmwfreak on July 06, 2020, 09:06:18 PM
Plenty of them are complaining about being locked down, but a lot are too dumb to realize it might just save their life..

Curiously, this attitude isn’t confined to the people in those apartments, or their demographic. There seems to be a lot of the more financially secure in greater Melbourne who are in the same boat intellectually. Rich through others endeavours, dumb as dogsh1t when it comes to life and survival.
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Post by: Pete79 on July 07, 2020, 12:44:58 AM
Watching the news, right now, how many residents in the locked down apartments In Vic are not current/first generation migrants or refugees. They are starving to death because the donated food does not meet their cultural needs ??? As Pauline said earlier this week, why are you here if you are not willing to conform to the local lifestyle or integrate into the Australian community. Transferring your culture from where you have come from to our community is not the way to avoid the issues you have ‘escaped’ from. You have merely changed the continent you live on.
I’ll go and drop 4 cold sausage rolls on Pauline’s door step tonight like “donated food drop” that I saw on the news.
Would love to see her slamming those salmonella sticks down for dinner on sky news tomorrow..... ::)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on July 07, 2020, 06:26:36 AM
why are you here if you are not willing to conform to the local lifestyle or integrate into the Australian community. Transferring your culture from where you have come from to our community is not the way to avoid the issues you have ‘escaped’ from. You have merely changed the continent you live on.

Like the English did 200 odd years ago  >:D  >:D  >:D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on July 07, 2020, 06:46:49 AM
Like the English did 200 odd years ago  >:D  >:D  >:D

They weren't exactly greeted with open arms 200yrs ago.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 07, 2020, 10:02:49 AM
You think that we've got problems.

Phoenix Arizona has a 28.8% positive testing rate. The Mayor asked the WH Administration for more help with testing.
The Administration told her that not only wouldn't supply her with more swabs etc. but they would also be closing the testing stations that they had set up.

Remember Trump's mantra:-  The more testing you do - the more positives you find.
So the WH is closing down testing stations.
Sheer genius.

(https://pics.me.me/wile-e-coyote-genius-advisor-to-the-president-on-all-66512760.png)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: #jonesy on July 07, 2020, 11:03:28 AM
I agree. But the idea that they can't eat our "normal" food doesn't hold weight though.....look at them on a weekend at maccas !!  If they can throw that rubbish down their throats, they can't complain about too much !!
I know a couple of the north western Suburbs Macca's are halal..

As to their cultural sensitivity, they should eat like the rest of us.  Pizza, pasta, Souvlaki, kebab, fried rice.....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on July 07, 2020, 03:15:11 PM
I know a couple of the north western Suburbs Macca's are halal..

As to their cultural sensitivity, they should eat like the rest of us.  Pizza, pasta, Souvlaki, kebab, fried rice.....

Funny how a halal certified big mac looks exactly like a "normal" big mac !!  ;D

As for souvlaki....mate, we aussies don't eat that do we ??   ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 07, 2020, 03:17:25 PM
I know a couple of the north western Suburbs Macca's are halal..

As to their cultural sensitivity, they should eat like the rest of us.  Pizza, pasta, Souvlaki, kebab, fried rice.....
yep few yrs ago found out up around Thomastown, they dont use bacon at all, so your bacon egg mcrubber is actually just an egg muffin.. no cheaper though
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 07, 2020, 03:45:46 PM
https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-global-covid-19-cases-surpass-11-5-million-as-australian-death-toll-stands-at-106-20200706-p559it.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-global-covid-19-cases-surpass-11-5-million-as-australian-death-toll-stands-at-106-20200706-p559it.html)
Andrews live


6 week lock down now stage 3
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 08, 2020, 01:26:53 PM
We could have done what Sweden did... That hasnt worked well.

https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/self-inflicted-wound-sweden-has-become-the-world-s-pandemic-cautionary-tale-20200708-p55a04.html (https://www.theage.com.au/business/the-economy/self-inflicted-wound-sweden-has-become-the-world-s-pandemic-cautionary-tale-20200708-p55a04.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Ozsnowman on July 08, 2020, 05:03:42 PM
They are starving to death because the donated food does not meet their cultural needs ??? As Pauline said earlier this week, why are you here if you are not willing to conform to the local lifestyle or integrate into the Australian community. Transferring your culture from where you have come from to our community is not the way to avoid the issues you have ‘escaped’ from. You have merely changed the continent you live on.

Hmmm until the 80's or so, all Australia ate was meat and 3 veg for every meal - how is that not transferring the culture? Until we got serious about multiculturalism it was hard to get anything that wasn't pizza/chinese/fish & chips...
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on July 08, 2020, 06:14:09 PM
Until we got serious about multiculturalism it was hard to get anything that wasn't pizza/chinese/fish & chips...

What else is there ??   ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: bmwfreak on July 08, 2020, 06:54:00 PM
how is that not transferring the culture?

Food is fine, other aspects not so much. I can eat anything at all, whether it came from ‘the old country’ or from a migrant family who turned up yesterday. If food is the only thing to be classified as a cultural, then you are correct 8).
I choose to look at the big picture which encompasses all aspects of the persons day to day behaviour. Lots (Those reported onTV, at least), whether born here from ‘recent’ arrivals or new migrants, wish to uphold their historical values, which are based on ancestors. Why come here in the first place if you want to live as your ancestors did?  I moved from NSW to QLD in 1995. It took me about three years to adapt to QLD cultural differences. I now consider myself (as I always have) an Australian, with the ability to move in the local community as a member of same. I don’t sit outside of the community bitching about the differences between each of the states I have lived in, and I certainly don’t seek out others from a specific state so I can continue living in a bubble.  ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 08, 2020, 07:10:46 PM
Quote from: bmwfreak
They are starving to death because the donated food does not meet their cultural needs ???
yea i want peking duck and $200 bottles of bubbly each night too.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: NZMarkb on July 09, 2020, 04:41:06 AM
Your on the money Bird
We just had some dick head sneak out of the qurenteen motel and duck down to the supermarket for an hour
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on July 09, 2020, 08:46:22 AM
This sort of sums the situation up..  ;D ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Comfortablynumb on July 09, 2020, 03:44:34 PM
Hmmm until the 80's or so, all Australia ate was meat and 3 veg for every meal - how is that not transferring the culture? Until we got serious about multiculturalism it was hard to get anything that wasn't pizza/chinese/fish & chips...

Back in the day, the Old Man point blank refused to eat anything with onion in it.

It was declared "bloody wog food" and was strictly banned from the house. "Wogs" were the cause of all things bad in Australia back then. Apparently.

My mother used to berate us kids to not play with those 'filthy, dumb wogs" for fear we would catch something (stupidity, perhaps).

The Old Man was such a shocking racist he even berated the poor folk from Darwin in 1974 who fled south for "taking South Australians jobs". "People ought to stay where they are born and just die there" he would state.

 I  think he taught Pauline everything she knows.......

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 09, 2020, 04:00:50 PM
more testing more results....  but you have to start to wonder.

Victoria has recorded 165 new coronavirus cases in the past 24 hours with 18 new cases in the public housing towers under lockdown and several hospitals. Six aged care facilities have also been placed into lockdown.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on July 09, 2020, 04:05:21 PM
Thing is old mate, we can't knock them for that because that was all they knew. It was the way it was for alot of people. My dad was the same. What we can do though, is learn from that experience and improve, and see just how far we have come since those days. Predudism occurs everywhere in the world, including Afican, Asian. Muslim and Christian countries. Not just America, England and Australia. We have a long way to go yet, but we are breaking new ground every day. Sadly not fast enough, but we are moving in the right direction.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on July 09, 2020, 04:10:45 PM
Case in point with what Bird sez. A large majority are making sacrifises and trying to do the right thing but are constantly held back by stupid, ignorant and arrogant people

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Comfortablynumb on July 09, 2020, 04:41:19 PM
Thing is old mate, we can't knock them for that because that was all they knew. It was the way it was for alot of people. My dad was the same. What we can do though, is learn from that experience and improve, and see just how far we have come since those days. Predudism occurs everywhere in the world, including Afican, Asian. Muslim and Christian countries. Not just America, England and Australia. We have a long way to go yet, but we are breaking new ground every day. Sadly not fast enough, but we are moving in the right direction.

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Very true.

However, there are quite a few around who are several generations younger with the same (or stronger) views.

The way I see it, things have not much changed at all. I still hear younger Australians coming out with statements like " we never had crimes in Australia until all these immigrants arrived"

(True, but not in the way YOU are thinking)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on July 09, 2020, 04:41:44 PM
Back in the day, the Old Man point blank refused to eat anything with onion in it.

It was declared "bloody wog food" and was strictly banned from the house. "Wogs" were the cause of all things bad in Australia back then. Apparently.

My mother used to berate us kids to not play with those 'filthy, dumb wogs" for fear we would catch something (stupidity, perhaps).

The Old Man was such a shocking racist he even berated the poor folk from Darwin in 1974 who fled south for "taking South Australians jobs". "People ought to stay where they are born and just die there" he would state.

 I  think he taught Pauline everything she knows.......

How old are you mate ?

I'm over 60 and that sort of thinking never happened around where I lived as a young boy.
Had a born in Australia "wog" as a childhood friend, and I can't remember anyone ever talking down to him or his parents, although we all knew his parents weren't all that good at english.

Had a couple of friends at school, that took maybe 5yrs after leaving school till I was told they were of aboriginal descent...just didn't think of those things back then.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Comfortablynumb on July 09, 2020, 04:42:48 PM
Case in point with what Bird sez. A large majority are making sacrifises and trying to do the right thing but are constantly held back by stupid, ignorant and arrogant people

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Yep.

As has been the case since the Neanderthals stood on their hind legs.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 09, 2020, 04:56:05 PM
You mean 1.5mtrs - I dont think modern kids know what a meter is

(https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/12438780-16x9-xlarge.jpg?v=2)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on July 09, 2020, 05:06:21 PM
How old are you mate ?

I'm over 60 and that sort of thinking never happened around where I lived as a young boy.
Had a born in Australia "wog" as a childhood friend, and I can't remember anyone ever talking down to him or his parents, although we all knew his parents weren't all that good at english.

Had a couple of friends at school, that took maybe 5yrs after leaving school till I was told they were of aboriginal descent...just didn't think of those things back then.
Haha, when I was growing up I was almost the only one in my class that wasn’t a wog.... ;D

Me and the token aborigine where the only white or black ones in the room, it was just lots of shades of brown around us... ;D ;D

Funnily enough though, Pauline still used to get about a 3rd of the votes in our town.
I guess the wogs must have hated the Asians as much as the rest of the bogans did.... ;)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Comfortablynumb on July 09, 2020, 05:12:43 PM
How old are you mate ?

I'm over 60 and that sort of thinking never happened around where I lived as a young boy.
Had a born in Australia "wog" as a childhood friend, and I can't remember anyone ever talking down to him or his parents, although we all knew his parents weren't all that good at english.

Had a couple of friends at school, that took maybe 5yrs after leaving school till I was told they were of aboriginal descent...just didn't think of those things back then.

I'm well younger than you.

Must just be a South Australian thing, then.

Behind the times and all that!

:D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Comfortablynumb on July 09, 2020, 05:14:04 PM
You mean 1.5mtrs - I dont think modern kids know what a meter is

(https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/12438780-16x9-xlarge.jpg?v=2)

How dare you!!!!

Don't you know these young ones have rights?????
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 09, 2020, 05:18:39 PM
How dare you!!!!

Don't you know these young ones have rights?????
(https://media.makeameme.org/created/how-dare-you-9a311e577e.jpg)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 09, 2020, 05:23:48 PM
Has anyone found any serious articles or reports on people who have caught it twice ???  Was it worse second time though? etc....

Only one I found was about some dudes in US Navy... probably test suckers subjects
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on July 09, 2020, 06:40:52 PM
Might give some of an idea of it ... https://fortune.com/2020/05/19/coronavirus-twice-infectious-contagious/ (https://fortune.com/2020/05/19/coronavirus-twice-infectious-contagious/) 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 10, 2020, 01:23:24 PM
PM just announcing something like

if you go out in Victoria now you have to wear a mask, where social distancing cannot be guaranteed

I didnt hear it clearly at the time - did anyone else?

edit: 60,000 new cases in USA yesterday!





edit edit: It was:

Assuming that people do need to go out, what has not changed is – if people have symptoms and they need to go for a test, for example, which we would definitely encourage –they should wear a mask.
"Other people, where physical distancing cannot be guaranteed, they should also wear a mask."
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: corndog on July 10, 2020, 01:50:13 PM
Victoria's overnight cases  was 288.
Wife's been making masks, she won't be able to keep up with them now.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 10, 2020, 01:54:09 PM
You mean 1.5mtrs - I dont think modern kids know what a meter is

(https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/12438780-16x9-xlarge.jpg?v=2)

Neither do you, ya Nimrod. LOL  ;D

Metre: Is a measurement of distance in Australia.
Meter: Is a device to measure a volume..... IE. Power meter.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 10, 2020, 01:54:36 PM
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/)

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/ (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 10, 2020, 02:29:44 PM
Wonder when the message will start getting through ???

Police issued 16 fines after discovering a large group of people holding a surprise birthday party at a home in Dandenong.

Police were alerted to the party after attendees picked up a very large order of KFC at a nearby outlet.
Chief Commissioner Shane Patton said the fines would total more than $20,000 making it a very expensive party. .

"That is ridiculous that type of behaviour. It is an expensive night when you think apart from the KFC, we have issued 16 infringements at that amount, that is $26,000 that birthday party is costing them," he said. "That is a heck of a birthday party to recall. They will remember that one for a long time." :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 10, 2020, 03:03:59 PM
Not if they cark it.  :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 10, 2020, 03:08:24 PM
Quote from: Jeepers Creepers
Not if they cark it.  :D

They be heading to centerlink to get assistance in paying their fines :D :D :D Wonder if it was really finger licking good?


EDIT:
I wonder how many will take teh "MASKS MUST BE WORN" thing - and turn it around and every second person will have a gimp mask LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(https://contestimg.wish.com/api/webimage/55ffb2d23a698c231ef4f017-large.jpg?cache_buster=52fbe629586a959d9ea15dede41aeef1)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Foo on July 10, 2020, 04:12:24 PM
They be heading to centerlink to get assistance in paying their fines :D :D :D Wonder if it was really finger licking good?


EDIT:
I wonder how many will take teh "MASKS MUST BE WORN" thing - and turn it around and every second person will have a gimp mask LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(https://contestimg.wish.com/api/webimage/55ffb2d23a698c231ef4f017-large.jpg?cache_buster=52fbe629586a959d9ea15dede41aeef1)

Or they'll be found tryin to get here.  ;D

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4705206772838496&set=a.400901883269028&type=3&eid=ARD6dhM_B6kcmArl3erWSW1mMbkE16buFfe_W1fneYyQx-QgDBvYLdKsKM8LWaKkcD_EnA95-5g7bSHS (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4705206772838496&set=a.400901883269028&type=3&eid=ARD6dhM_B6kcmArl3erWSW1mMbkE16buFfe_W1fneYyQx-QgDBvYLdKsKM8LWaKkcD_EnA95-5g7bSHS)

Foo
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Post by: Bird on July 10, 2020, 04:29:34 PM
Or they'll be found tryin to get here.  ;D

(https://scontent-syd2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/106713303_4705206776171829_8710794660271884809_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=6E4RWxBaUIEAX_2y0pB&_nc_ht=scontent-syd2-1.xx&oh=c003e11bdedec8838cf87a168cc157ff&oe=5F2BB93C)Foo
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: speewa158 on July 10, 2020, 08:23:47 PM
It seems strange that after 24 hrs they were complaining about the lack of supplies and food.
All their fridges and pantries must have been empty when lockdown started.

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Sorry  but we have been locked down,,,,,,,, so it up toe the Vic Gov to pander to my every need , lm locked down .There are a good number of  " Said " lockedowners that are on the Gov Tit  & prepaired to suck it dry &  beyond .
As a self funded retiree thats has contributed to the Pool , why are these people able to get paid but lm not .
Eat what you want , become an Aussie if your game to contribute , & dont complain . Your in Australia  Enjoy .
 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: speewa158 on July 10, 2020, 08:24:34 PM
Thank you Admin  for my opinion  on this
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: HKB Electronics on July 11, 2020, 11:11:33 AM
Hmmm, where did Victoria's Corona virus come from, it seems it has escaped from quarantine via a guard/s who caught it off a returnee who may have been a Queenslander for all we know.

Read about the SA premier complaining they have had to handle 2000 returnees since the pandemic began and now they will charge them for the quarantine as its to expensive. The other states namely VIC & NSW it appears were handling thousands per week and covering the expense themselves.

Yes VIC stuffed up but I wonder what the situation would look like now if the incoming travellers had been evenly distributed over all the states?

Must admit Queensland was smart when they discovered they had to start taking their fair share of returned travellers after VIC being shut down, they were the first to start charging for quarantine stays to dissuade travellers from wanting to go fly into there even if they were Queenslanders.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on July 11, 2020, 11:29:32 AM
Not sure if anyone has posted this before, sorry if they have.
Some interesting numbers.
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR3IyEligyMxRgsN6IBhN4YQRHNa3CWqKouWRxRcAc59pbPDwqOQtpXIe4k (https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR3IyEligyMxRgsN6IBhN4YQRHNa3CWqKouWRxRcAc59pbPDwqOQtpXIe4k)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: jclures on July 11, 2020, 11:38:54 AM
Not sure if anyone has posted this before, sorry if they have.
Some interesting numbers.
https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR3IyEligyMxRgsN6IBhN4YQRHNa3CWqKouWRxRcAc59pbPDwqOQtpXIe4k (https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR3IyEligyMxRgsN6IBhN4YQRHNa3CWqKouWRxRcAc59pbPDwqOQtpXIe4k)

It shows those that think it is no worse than the flu look silly.
Influenza   108672
Covid   556365
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: alnjan on July 11, 2020, 11:53:36 AM
It shows those that think it is no worse than the flu look silly.
Influenza   108672
Covid   556365

Was going to say the same thing.   

It's just the same as a minor cold.   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: rags on July 11, 2020, 06:59:24 PM
Hmmm, where did Victoria's Corona virus come from, it seems it has escaped from quarantine via a guard/s who caught it off a returnee who may have been a Queenslander for all we know.

Read about the SA premier complaining they have had to handle 2000 returnees since the pandemic began and now they will charge them for the quarantine as its to expensive. The other states namely VIC & NSW it appears were handling thousands per week and covering the expense themselves.

Yes VIC stuffed up but I wonder what the situation would look like now if the incoming travellers had been evenly distributed over all the states?

Must admit Queensland was smart when they discovered they had to start taking their fair share of returned travellers after VIC being shut down, they were the first to start charging for quarantine stays to dissuade travellers from wanting to go fly into there even if they were Queenslanders.


When you look at the chart in the attached article it would appear that NSW has done the heavy lifting. Also if you think of the statistics in relation to population in each jurisdiction it probably is an even distribution. Probably most arriving passenger are from NSW and Vic.

 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-19/coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-60,000-people-cost/12363288 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-06-19/coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-60,000-people-cost/12363288)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: HKB Electronics on July 11, 2020, 07:29:11 PM
That is only part of the story:

"The Australian Border Force (ABF) said between March 21 and June 30 more than 212,000 passengers had arrived from overseas"
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Post by: GeoffA on July 11, 2020, 08:05:11 PM
Influenza   108672
Covid   556365

The global influenza count can vary between 250,000 to 600,000 annually, depending on the year/strain.

Influenza is not something to sneeze at.....
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Post by: Hairs on July 11, 2020, 08:09:36 PM


Influenza is not something to sneeze at.....
I see what you did there,
Love ya work.
;)

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 12, 2020, 01:41:13 PM
So the message is getting through ???

https://www.smh.com.au/national/we-are-definitely-at-a-crossroads-in-nsw-state-records-five-new-cases-20200712-p55b94.html (https://www.smh.com.au/national/we-are-definitely-at-a-crossroads-in-nsw-state-records-five-new-cases-20200712-p55b94.html)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on July 12, 2020, 08:03:15 PM
Sorry  but we have been locked down,,,,,,,, so it up toe the Vic Gov to pander to my every need , lm locked down .There are a good number of  " Said " lockedowners that are on the Gov Tit  & prepaired to suck it dry &  beyond .
As a self funded retiree thats has contributed to the Pool , why are these people able to get paid but lm not .
Eat what you want , become an Aussie if your game to contribute , & don't complain . You're in Australia  Enjoy .
You forgot to add, and learn to speak English (or at least the Aussie version of it)

 >:D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 13, 2020, 09:28:33 AM
dozen teenagers fines 24,000 for doing a runner from Melb - > Qld....

Quote
The six Victorians were travelling in a minivan when they arrived at the border.

The passengers hopped out and tried crossing it on foot but police spotted them.

Location settings and photos on their phones revealed they’d been in Victoria within the past 14 days.

They were each fined $4000 each, making it a $24,000 dollar trip.


“100 per cent we definitely knew we were breaking the rules,” one of the fined travellers said.

“Money doesn’t run the world it’s all good,” another added.

The infringement was the last thing police needed to deal with on an already backlogged border.


Yep... message is gettin through

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/busload-of-victorians-trying-to-cross-queensland-border-fined-24000-c-1160812 (https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/busload-of-victorians-trying-to-cross-queensland-border-fined-24000-c-1160812)




https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/nsw/are-we-all-in-this-together-police-investigate-as-photos-of-packed-out-trial-rugby-game-emerge-20200712-p55bcv.html (https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/nsw/are-we-all-in-this-together-police-investigate-as-photos-of-packed-out-trial-rugby-game-emerge-20200712-p55bcv.html)

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 14, 2020, 01:42:31 PM
 and you can see why nobody takes it serious.. .again one set of rules for the rich, one for the peasants, and one for the F grade celebs...

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Meanwhile, Mr Miles confirmed Australian singer and television personality Dannii Minogue received a state government exemption and avoided hotel quarantine upon returning to Queensland from the US.

Speaking on ABC Radio Brisbane on Tuesday, Mr Miles said Ms Minogue was instead allowed to quarantine for two weeks in her own home.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/queensland/minogue-avoids-queensland-hotel-quarantine-as-premier-declares-nsw-hot-spots-20200714-p55btj.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/queensland/minogue-avoids-queensland-hotel-quarantine-as-premier-declares-nsw-hot-spots-20200714-p55btj.html)
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Post by: Bird on July 14, 2020, 02:53:32 PM
and you can see why nobody takes it serious.. .again one set of rules for the rich, one for the peasants, and one for the F grade celebs...
Even better

Melbourne man brags about crossing Queensland border on 'compassion grounds' to buy Harley Davidson tyres

https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-melbourne-real-estate-agent-crosses-queensland-border-uploads-video-bragging-on-youtube/e30f209c-d295-40cf-ab2f-0a48550a4303 (https://9now.nine.com.au/a-current-affair/coronavirus-melbourne-real-estate-agent-crosses-queensland-border-uploads-video-bragging-on-youtube/e30f209c-d295-40cf-ab2f-0a48550a4303)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Troopy_03 on July 14, 2020, 05:07:44 PM
and you can see why nobody takes it serious.. .again one set of rules for the rich, one for the peasants, and one for the F grade celebs...

You forgot the other set of rules for the young dudes who just don't GAF
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on July 14, 2020, 05:09:30 PM
Here we go again :(
FFS
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 14, 2020, 05:18:34 PM
Quote from: Hairs
Here we go again :(
FFS

Its growing in Shitney.....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on July 14, 2020, 05:35:00 PM
Its growing in Shitney.....
Yep :(
What a Shit show, christ, people believe it is either just as bad as the common cold, believe they have a right to travel or it is spread through the 5G net network.
We have become the 53 state of Amercia.
Some have become Dumb arsed fuggers.
I really want to jump of the rock, catch a lift next times it goes around the sun.
Just maybe all the stupid people will not on the next ride.
Title: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Pete79 on July 14, 2020, 09:48:26 PM
I was going to make a joke on here last week about the service NSW website crashing from all of the Victorians trying to change their license plates to NSW and try to get into QLD. ;D

Turns out it was actually happening for real..... ::)

 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/nsw-mechanics-switch-victorian-number-plates-border-closures/12453622 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/nsw-mechanics-switch-victorian-number-plates-border-closures/12453622)

“Service NSW recorded a 23 per cent increase in vehicle registrations late last week

....

A number of NSW residents told the ABC they had Victorian number plates and licences because it was cheaper, particularly for caravans.”
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 15, 2020, 09:41:22 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/four-alleged-stowaways-arrested-in-adelaide/12455292 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/four-alleged-stowaways-arrested-in-adelaide/12455292)

Four alleged stowaways arrested in Adelaide on freight train from Melbourne
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Spada on July 15, 2020, 09:45:40 AM
Here we go again :(
FFS

There is speculation that this is actually our first turn. https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/coronavirus-in-australia-experts-say-suppression-was-a-mistake/news-story/3379d05b482209764243815bd4246e0c (https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/news/coronavirus-in-australia-experts-say-suppression-was-a-mistake/news-story/3379d05b482209764243815bd4246e0c)
Previously almost all cases were mostly linked to arriving international travellers and the lock-downs pretty much knocked it on the head. What we're seeing for the first time now is widespread and uncontrolled community cross-contamination in the general populous.... like the rest of the world has already been going through.
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“Obviously in March when we were all very worried, it was a little bit unclear how much of the virus was in the community,” Professor Talley said.

“Some of us worried it was widespread. But if it was, the first lockdown knocked that off. It looks as if most of it was international travellers.

“Now in Victoria and possibly NSW we have widespread community transmission. That is new. That’s why I say this is the first real wave. We had a trial wave. We eliminated it, but now we are not in that situation so it’s all changed. It’s a different enemy.”

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 15, 2020, 09:50:12 AM
people think we have it bad

'Frightening': S Africa sees biggest daily jump in COVID-19 cases
Officials consider reimposing restrictions as more than 8,700 infections reported over 24 hours amid lockdown easing.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/africa-sees-biggest-daily-jump-covid-19-cases-200703093405125.html (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/07/africa-sees-biggest-daily-jump-covid-19-cases-200703093405125.html)

imagine being in this queue for testing.
(https://www.abc.net.au/cm/rimage/12442530-3x2-xlarge.jpg)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on July 15, 2020, 09:51:02 AM
Speaking with two local Mechanics this morning, they have been swamped with owners of Vic rego vehicles wanting to be changed over to NSW.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 15, 2020, 09:54:39 AM
how about he ad campaign by 2 faceplant fools for Apollo Bay

Stay the Fu_K away
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/do-not-visit-victoria-campaign-a-social-media-hit-now-for-the-merch-20200714-p55bwi.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/do-not-visit-victoria-campaign-a-social-media-hit-now-for-the-merch-20200714-p55bwi.html)
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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 16, 2020, 11:12:33 AM
62,000 cases in 1 day in USA.....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: jclures on July 16, 2020, 11:19:42 AM
Make America great again? ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on July 16, 2020, 12:02:33 PM
62,000 cases in 1 day in USA.....

Fake news
Too much testing
a Democrat plot against the economy
Were doing really well, the numbers are great
Big progress being made
we put the flame out — getting rid of the flame; it’s happening
the crisis is being handled
We’ve implemented an aggressive strategy to vanquish and kill the virus
These are historic numbers in a time that a lot of people would have wilted; they would have wilted.  But we didn’t wilt, and our country didn’t wilt.
And I’m very honored to be your President. Thank you very much. Thank you.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 17, 2020, 11:45:21 AM
https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/291450532199243/  (https://www.facebook.com/theageAustralia/videos/291450532199243/)

Dan live now   
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 17, 2020, 05:44:34 PM
is the message gettin thru?



A Victorian man allegedly trying to enter Queensland for a third time is the latest person to be hit with a $4003 fine under the Queensland's border restrictions.

Police stopped the 27-year-old on Thursday afternoon at a checkpoint near Texas, about 300 kilometres south-west of Brisbane on the Queensland-NSW border.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-australian-unemployment-highest-since-1998-as-victoria-anticipates-further-covid-19-case-spike-australian-death-toll-stands-at-113-20200716-p55cr9.html#p50uph (https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-australian-unemployment-highest-since-1998-as-victoria-anticipates-further-covid-19-case-spike-australian-death-toll-stands-at-113-20200716-p55cr9.html#p50uph)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Hairs on July 17, 2020, 07:18:42 PM


is the message gettin thru?
Nup,
:(
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: MarkGU on July 17, 2020, 09:03:56 PM
So they wanted us all to download the covid19 tracking app.

funny how they were bragging so many millions had downloaded the app and it would track and prevent outbreaks

with all these new cases of covid19 I haven’t heard of a single case being detected via the app, has anyone else?
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: brickiematt on July 18, 2020, 03:15:16 PM

Don't get me wrong, we can laugh at ourselves down here, we're used to it, but the current situation in Vic, and Melbourne especially, is just not funny.
We don't care that we can't leave the state. We don't care that we can't annoy you northerners with our nomads and "wobbly boxes". We don't care that it's winter, some of us actually enjoy it.
My wife has an immune deficiency disease, her immune system is working overtime to battle that, so if she catches
 a whiff of covid-19 she will be hospitalised.  Me and the girls are Shitting ourselves and doing everything we can to avoid it.
Two of my mates have lost businesses, devastating to watch.
Calls to lifeline have risen by 22% over the last quarter.

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jillsy on July 18, 2020, 11:48:23 PM
Folks,

I have just spent from 9pm till 1145pm reading and cleaning this whole thread - not how I really wanted to spend my Saturday night considering I work 3 12-hour night shifts a week but oh well ::).

People are losing or worried about losing their loved ones, their jobs and/or businesses, their homes and their retirement funds to this awful, awful virus.  There is a lot of emotion and sensitivity around this topic and quite rightly so - it is having huge impacts on individuals' mental health relative to their personal situation. It's certainly not something most people like to joke about. 

There have already been warnings posted by Mods on this thread on the 5th April (x 2), 7th of April, 15th May and right now. 

As I've stated previously (on the 7th of April to be precise), everyone is entitled to their opinion however, if any Member can't express their opinion respectfully or can't respectfully debate with someone, that Members is kindly asked to spend their time elsewhere. Enough is enough. 

Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: duggie on July 19, 2020, 08:12:34 AM
Thanks Jillsy , I was a little upset to see so many members swinging blows at each other yesterday .

This forum is a wonderful place to spend some quiet time on , and to see some people/friends swinging blows at each other and other Australian states paying out on other states was quite upsetting .

Have a happy and safe day everyone .

cheers duggie
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 19, 2020, 09:44:53 AM
Pisser.... what'd I miss.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: tryagain on July 19, 2020, 11:20:17 AM
Pisser.... what'd I miss.

Made the electrical section seem tame! After everything is said and done, hoping that all the Victorians cope as well as they can with the second stint of level 3 restrictions and that they successfully stop the spread again.
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Post by: xcvator on July 19, 2020, 11:42:16 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-19/victoria-coronavirus-cases-climb-masks-become-mandatory/12470424 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-19/victoria-coronavirus-cases-climb-masks-become-mandatory/12470424)
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Post by: Steffo1 on July 19, 2020, 12:09:20 PM
Pisser.... what'd I miss.

Don't you just hate that! I do!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 19, 2020, 12:24:31 PM
Don't you just hate that! I do!

 ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 19, 2020, 01:42:11 PM
I thought I think it was BrickieMatt's post was worth keeping about his family with Immune deficiency syndrome etc.

Really makes you think.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 19, 2020, 01:43:20 PM
Masks become mandatory in Melbourne (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-19/victoria-coronavirus-cases-climb-masks-become-mandatory/12470424)

Im ready - on sale at sexyland
(https://www.hollywood.uk.com/media/catalog/product/cache/736b7bfdec859353c1bbc85735c3d15e/1/7/17562.jpg)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: SJindustries on July 19, 2020, 01:45:09 PM
Im ready - on sale at sexyland
(https://www.hollywood.uk.com/media/catalog/product/cache/736b7bfdec859353c1bbc85735c3d15e/1/7/17562.jpg)
You bloody gimp

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on July 19, 2020, 01:47:19 PM
I thought I think it was BrickieMatt's post was worth keeping about his family with Immune deficiency syndrome etc.

Really makes you think.

Agree with that ^.

Yes, it was Matt.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 19, 2020, 01:49:53 PM
You bloody gimp

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i got the idea from yours
https://contestimg.wish.com/api/webimage/55ffb2d23a698c231ef4f017-large.jpg (https://contestimg.wish.com/api/webimage/55ffb2d23a698c231ef4f017-large.jpg)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: SJindustries on July 19, 2020, 01:51:40 PM
You got tooooooooooo much time on ya hands

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 19, 2020, 01:52:28 PM
You got tooooooooooo much time on ya hands

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I could get worse :P :D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jillsy on July 19, 2020, 03:52:36 PM
I thought I think it was BrickieMatt's post was worth keeping about his family with Immune deficiency syndrome etc.

Really makes you think.

Agree with that ^.

Yes, it was Matt.

Restored that post with some slight modification (ie took out the quoting of another post)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Champin on July 19, 2020, 04:54:47 PM
Thanks for you good work Jillsy. I appreciate it. I was getting to the stage of exiting for a while until it got back under control, but she's all good now. Again thank you Jillsy.

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Post by: Robbo on July 19, 2020, 06:18:46 PM
Yep, thanks Jillsy. Sanity has been restored once again.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Jillsy on July 19, 2020, 08:23:12 PM
Thanks for thanks Folks but it's not required.  It's a highly emotive topic and it's all fun and games until somebody loses a loved one (which is sadly a very real possibility given the current statistics  :'( ).  Let's keep the jibes for the Electrical Section hey  >:D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: edz on July 19, 2020, 10:52:04 PM
The current situation in Vic, and Melbourne especially, is just not funny.

My wife has an immune deficiency disease, her immune system is working overtime to battle that, so if she catches
 a whiff of covid-19 she will be hospitalised.  Me and the girls are Shitting ourselves and doing everything we can to avoid it.




Hearing you loud  n clear on this one BM, My works High risk and the wife is battling with CIDP . All best of thoughts to you guys , hoping everything goes ok .
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: brickiematt on July 20, 2020, 08:53:44 AM
Restored that post with some slight modification (ie took out the quoting of another post)

Cheers Jillsy.
Didn't mean to start a sh!tfight, just point out a few things!
I hope all swaggers are staying safe thru this, see yas on the other side!!
 :cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: brickiematt on July 20, 2020, 08:58:05 AM



Hearing you loud  n clear on this one BM, My works High risk and the wife is battling with CIDP . All best of thoughts to you guys , hoping everything goes ok .

Thanks edz. Luckily they're all confined to quarters for a while!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 20, 2020, 11:00:15 AM
like my new mask idea?
(https://i0.wp.com/trendings.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Curvaceous-Mom-Shares-Hilarious-Results-Using-Bra-For-Makeshift-Facemaskfdg.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWmELXkSZqc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWmELXkSZqc)


 Make your own mask  (https://www.google.com/search?q=mask+made+out+of+bra&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk019VD08q8Xs9_BKxAwEz2vOVVlMSA:1595206572762&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=Jkkrv9gaEe7FAM%252C44VYqG43mshO0M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQhDFCDkneueuHLLb3BWrKp-h_Qcw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjhn_PIz9rqAhUnxTgGHfZpDeQQ9QEwAHoECAcQEA&biw=1920&bih=920#imgrc=FHquPml5cYKjvM&imgdii=CzyBYCCFinghoM)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 20, 2020, 11:04:33 AM
On a serious side - lets see you walk into a bank with your mask on... ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Brisbane Puff on July 20, 2020, 02:19:42 PM
More on a serious note too.... Have a friend that moved to Melbourne early this year. Was working as manager of a shop in a large shopping center. Just put up a post that her shopping center has been put into lock down... Lots of friends put up posting about them needing to move back to Queensland.. I posted to do it quick before we blow up all the bridges and burn the place, (with a lot of smileys attached)..... My post was removed and I'm banned for four weeks... Even Facebook is easily offended...  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 20, 2020, 02:27:28 PM
First it was dunny rolls.....

now rolls of material
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melburnians-strip-shelves-of-sewing-machines-fabric-to-make-own-masks-20200720-p55dle.html (https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melburnians-strip-shelves-of-sewing-machines-fabric-to-make-own-masks-20200720-p55dle.html)

on a side note - lady here, her sister is making masks - and has been for few mths, $8000 worth she sold last 4 weeks...
Wheres sarah and tim!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Steffo1 on July 20, 2020, 02:44:04 PM
like my new mask idea?
(https://i0.wp.com/trendings.net/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Curvaceous-Mom-Shares-Hilarious-Results-Using-Bra-For-Makeshift-Facemaskfdg.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWmELXkSZqc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWmELXkSZqc)




 Make your own mask  (https://www.google.com/search?q=mask+made+out+of+bra&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALeKk019VD08q8Xs9_BKxAwEz2vOVVlMSA:1595206572762&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=Jkkrv9gaEe7FAM%252C44VYqG43mshO0M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQhDFCDkneueuHLLb3BWrKp-h_Qcw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjhn_PIz9rqAhUnxTgGHfZpDeQQ9QEwAHoECAcQEA&biw=1920&bih=920#imgrc=FHquPml5cYKjvM&imgdii=CzyBYCCFinghoM)
She looks a right tit!
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: gronk on July 20, 2020, 06:47:07 PM
She looks a right tit!

And would look funny walking along.....until she needed the left one for a mask as well !!  ;D
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 21, 2020, 10:25:34 AM
shopping for face masks on ebay - sold in AU only which is hard t find...

but one seller is doing a roaring trade -


face masks on ebay  249 sold in one hour
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 21, 2020, 10:52:18 AM
No price gouging here

50 disposable masks $250....  Straight from Coronaville Chinlee... even writing on them is in chinese!
https://www.priceline.com.au/health/first-aid-kits-and-accessories/face-masks/kn95-disposable-face-mask-50-pack (https://www.priceline.com.au/health/first-aid-kits-and-accessories/face-masks/kn95-disposable-face-mask-50-pack)
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: xcvator on July 21, 2020, 11:28:23 AM
No price gouging here

50 disposable masks $250....  Straight from Coronaville Chinlee... even writing on them is in chinese!
https://www.priceline.com.au/health/first-aid-kits-and-accessories/face-masks/kn95-disposable-face-mask-50-pack (https://www.priceline.com.au/health/first-aid-kits-and-accessories/face-masks/kn95-disposable-face-mask-50-pack)

Just sent them an official complaint, bet I don't get a reply 
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 21, 2020, 11:51:24 AM
Just sent them an official complaint, bet I don't get a reply
good luck
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: JusyApples on July 21, 2020, 11:52:51 AM
Drifta were making masks. Not sure what their stock is currently


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Mace on July 21, 2020, 12:20:03 PM
No price gouging here

50 disposable masks $250....  Straight from Coronaville Chinlee... even writing on them is in chinese!
https://www.priceline.com.au/health/first-aid-kits-and-accessories/face-masks/kn95-disposable-face-mask-50-pack (https://www.priceline.com.au/health/first-aid-kits-and-accessories/face-masks/kn95-disposable-face-mask-50-pack)

N95 means they are P2 Masks. 

$14.95 for 2 @ Bunnings.

https://www.bunnings.com.au/3m-p2-particulate-sanding-fibreglass-valved-respirators-2-pack_p0054516 (https://www.bunnings.com.au/3m-p2-particulate-sanding-fibreglass-valved-respirators-2-pack_p0054516)

Weather they actually meet P2 standards is another thing..
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Robbo on July 21, 2020, 03:02:54 PM
Just sent them an official complaint, bet I don't get a reply
Oooh! That was a brave move, you will probably get an after hours visit from Xi-Jinping's henchmen demanding an apology for daring to question their integrity.

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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Kangaron on July 21, 2020, 03:26:31 PM
N95 means they are P2 Masks. 

$14.95 for 2 @ Bunnings.

https://www.bunnings.com.au/3m-p2-particulate-sanding-fibreglass-valved-respirators-2-pack_p0054516 (https://www.bunnings.com.au/3m-p2-particulate-sanding-fibreglass-valved-respirators-2-pack_p0054516)

Weather they actually meet P2 standards is another thing..

So Priceline is cheaper @ $3 ea

$14.95 x 25 = $373.75
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Post by: Steffo1 on July 21, 2020, 03:55:30 PM
N95 means they are P2 Masks. 

$14.95 for 2 @ Bunnings.

https://www.bunnings.com.au/3m-p2-particulate-sanding-fibreglass-valved-respirators-2-pack_p0054516 (https://www.bunnings.com.au/3m-p2-particulate-sanding-fibreglass-valved-respirators-2-pack_p0054516)

Weather they actually meet P2 standards is another thing..

These masks wouldn't do much good if worn by an infected person as the valves release exhaled air into the open.
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Post by: jclures on July 21, 2020, 04:03:15 PM
I can not see a valve from the Priceline link, so you would think they are not the same quality.
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Post by: glenm64 on July 21, 2020, 10:10:22 PM
If theres any unsure about whether or not masks are effective let me simplify it for you


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: glenm64 on July 22, 2020, 08:20:56 AM
In all seriousness, please please please, take all precautions, regardless of where you live. It is the only way we can slow this thing down.
Take care and be safe folks.

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Post by: Bird on July 22, 2020, 11:24:37 AM
480 more in Vic..
16 in NSW..
 
 more testin more positives..
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Post by: Ozsnowman on July 22, 2020, 11:28:27 AM
$10 for 10 disposable masks at Bunnings, and they have a ton of stock. Good for a start
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Post by: jclures on July 22, 2020, 11:34:13 AM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-22/200-people-missing-from-coronavirus-quarantine-in-queensland/12472332
If it is not to late, we should be closing the boarders again.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 22, 2020, 11:43:29 AM
$10 for 10 disposable masks at Bunnings, and they have a ton of stock. Good for a start
we were given some Alsco cloth ones at work... put it on for a test, and glasses fogged up in about 5 seconds :(
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Post by: filcar on July 22, 2020, 12:00:08 PM
we were given some Alsco cloth ones at work... put it on for a test, and glasses fogged up in about 5 seconds :(

Before slipping on a face mask, you should wash your glasses or sunglasses lenses with soapy water and shake off the excess moisture. Then, let your glasses air dry or gently dry the lenses with a clean microfiber cloth.

Using this method, the lenses shouldn’t fog up once you put on the mask and glasses, the study says. Why? Cleaning the lenses with soapy water leaves a thin film that reduces the “inherent surface tension” and prods the water molecules to form a transparent layer.
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Post by: Bird on July 22, 2020, 12:03:20 PM
Before slipping on a face mask, you should wash your glasses or sunglasses lenses with soapy water and shake off the excess moisture. Then, let your glasses air dry or gently dry the lenses with a clean microfiber cloth.

Using this method, the lenses shouldn’t fog up once you put on the mask and glasses, the study says. Why? Cleaning the lenses with soapy water leaves a thin film that reduces the “inherent surface tension” and prods the water molecules to form a transparent layer.
Cheers Mr, will sus that out...
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 22, 2020, 12:05:43 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-22/200-people-missing-from-coronavirus-quarantine-in-queensland/12472332
If it is not to late, we should be closing the boarders again.

Correct.
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Post by: GeoffA on July 22, 2020, 12:21:24 PM
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-22/200-people-missing-from-coronavirus-quarantine-in-queensland/12472332
If it is not to late, we should be closing the boarders again.

ASAP....
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Post by: HKB Electronics on July 22, 2020, 01:30:26 PM
Agree, I know if I was in a state with no cases I would be happy with the borders being closed.

Problem though is the virus is not going to go away. What you all need to start thinking about is where is Australia
going to be in a year or two from now?

The goverment can't keep borrowing money for ever to keep giving handouts, they will need to start paying money back
and that money is going to come from businesses that are still going, those who are lucky enough to still have a job and
self funded retirees etc.

The question for all is what is the future going to look like if this is still going on in two years time, no one would like to be in
the US at the moment but in two years time they might be well and truly better off if the virus burns itself out?

The crunch hasn't come yet, the goverment is trying to keep businesses and workers afloat but it can't go on forever, so the
question is what do people see for the future in both the safe and infected states?

Looks like stage 4 is coming to VIC, that will most likely mean most businesses closing down and a very large slice of goverment
revenue disappearing, will be intersting times ahead. If VIC and NSW end up in total lock down for some time that will be a massive
slice of goverment revenue gone, I wonder what Australia will look like then?personally I hope the clean states stay clean and prosper
so that they can make up the short fall.

Those living in the current safe states think closing the borders will keep them safe, that may not be the case if the economy collapses,
but again what do others think?   
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Post by: Bird on July 22, 2020, 01:41:24 PM
Agree, I know if I was in a state with no cases I would be happy with the borders being closed.

Problem though is the virus is not going to go away. What you all need to start thinking about is where is Australia
going to be in a year or two from now?


The goverment can't keep borrowing money for ever to keep giving handouts, they will need to start paying money back
and that money is going to come from businesses that are still going, those who are lucky enough to still have a job and
self funded retirees etc.

The question for all is what is the future going to look like if this is still going on in two years time, no one would like to be in
the US at the moment but in two years time they might be well and truly better off if the virus burns itself out?

The crunch hasn't come yet, the goverment is trying to keep businesses and workers afloat but it can't go on forever, so the
question is what do people see for the future in both the safe and infected states?

Looks like stage 4 is coming to VIC, that will most likely mean most businesses closing down and a very large slice of goverment
revenue disappearing, will be interesting times ahead. If VIC and NSW end up in total lock down for some time that will be a massive
slice of goverment revenue gone, I wonder what Australia will look like then?personally I hope the clean states stay clean and prosper
so that they can make up the short fall.

Those living in the current safe states think closing the borders will keep them safe, that may not be the case if the economy collapses,
but again what do others think?   
agree
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: austastar on July 22, 2020, 01:49:37 PM
Hi,
   I think we should even build a wall along our 80m  land border (https://maps.app.goo.gl/hkgFiVihgqL3UD9S8) with Victoria.
Never know who could be lurking there, they could just walk on in.
Cheers

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Post by: Pete79 on July 22, 2020, 01:58:04 PM
If theres any unsure about whether or not masks are effective let me simplify it for you


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Ah, but you see those clever Americans have already found a flaw with this logic... ;)

 https://www.newsweek.com/woman-refuses-wear-mask-compares-it-pants-not-stopping-fart-smell-1519497 (https://www.newsweek.com/woman-refuses-wear-mask-compares-it-pants-not-stopping-fart-smell-1519497)


"You think that mask is going to protect you?" she asked. Pointing to the back of her pants, she adds: "when you fart out your ass, you can smell it! You think that mask is going to protect you?" She then heads for the exit.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Brisbane Puff on July 22, 2020, 04:20:45 PM
Been thinking over the last few weeks.. All those doom day prepers in their bunkers in the USA must be laughing their guts out right now.... Knuckled down underground with their 12 months supplies, tooled up ready to repel any encroachment on their turf.. Stuff that used to be only in the movies....
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bird on July 22, 2020, 04:51:42 PM
The message ??? ???


More than $100,000 in fines were issued on Tuesday in Victoria. Nineteen of the 61 fines were issued at vehicle checkpoints on arterial roads across the state.
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: McGirr on July 22, 2020, 09:54:10 PM
Agree, I know if I was in a state with no cases I would be happy with the borders being closed.

Problem though is the virus is not going to go away. What you all need to start thinking about is where is Australia
going to be in a year or two from now?

The goverment can't keep borrowing money for ever to keep giving handouts, they will need to start paying money back
and that money is going to come from businesses that are still going, those who are lucky enough to still have a job and
self funded retirees etc.

The question for all is what is the future going to look like if this is still going on in two years time, no one would like to be in
the US at the moment but in two years time they might be well and truly better off if the virus burns itself out?

The crunch hasn't come yet, the goverment is trying to keep businesses and workers afloat but it can't go on forever, so the
question is what do people see for the future in both the safe and infected states?

Looks like stage 4 is coming to VIC, that will most likely mean most businesses closing down and a very large slice of goverment
revenue disappearing, will be intersting times ahead. If VIC and NSW end up in total lock down for some time that will be a massive
slice of goverment revenue gone, I wonder what Australia will look like then?personally I hope the clean states stay clean and prosper
so that they can make up the short fall.

Those living in the current safe states think closing the borders will keep them safe, that may not be the case if the economy collapses,
but again what do others think?   

I can only guess but see how I go,

Gst will rise probably to 12.5%

We will go into a depression by the end of the year, we are already in a recession.

Working from home will be more frequent for some people.

That's all for now, hopefully I am wrong, but......

Mark
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Post by: glenm64 on July 22, 2020, 10:53:54 PM
Mark, forgot to add stock market is going to tank again.


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Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: GeoffA on July 23, 2020, 06:42:59 AM
Long term I see no need to get too pessimistic. The pandemic won't last forever. In the short-mid term however, there are/will definitely be tough times.
If we look back 100 years to the last pandemic and study the decade that followed there is life beyond....but the decade that followed that is another matter....

Just another perspective...

 :cheers:
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Post by: GeoffA on July 23, 2020, 06:52:08 AM
Mark, forgot to add stock market is going to tank again.

It always comes back......but I've had my time in the share market.

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Post by: Robbo on July 23, 2020, 12:04:35 PM
As long as we have ignorant morons like this amongst us we are never going to get on top of this Covid-19 virus.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/antimaskers-graffiti-federal-health-minister-greg-hunts-melbourne-office/news-story/fc6b7d7db3463c44a00279df476aec0a

Their selfish actions and attitudes are putting the whole country at risk.
The same applies to these scum that are planning to protest on saturday against all request.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/22/sydney-black-lives-matter-protest-organisers-say-blm-rally-will-proceed-despite-pm-and-premiers-condemnation

Just what the hell does one do to get common sense to prevail?
 :-[ :-[
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Post by: alnjan on July 23, 2020, 12:29:10 PM
As long as we have ignorant morons like this amongst us we are never going to get on top of this Covid-19 virus.

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/politics/antimaskers-graffiti-federal-health-minister-greg-hunts-melbourne-office/news-story/fc6b7d7db3463c44a00279df476aec0a

Their selfish actions and attitudes are putting the whole country at risk.
The same applies to these scum that are planning to protest on saturday against all request.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/jul/22/sydney-black-lives-matter-protest-organisers-say-blm-rally-will-proceed-despite-pm-and-premiers-condemnation

Just what the hell does one do to get common sense to prevail?
 :-[ :-[

As I just posted in the WTF thread.

For no other reason then it fits into the agenda of Black Lives Matter and everything it stands for.   There is more to Black Lives Matter then stopping racism and it involves breaking down society, what better way to do it then spreading COVID-19.   
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Post by: Bigfish on July 24, 2020, 07:52:24 AM
Spent 2 weeks at Tannum Sands and Airlie Beach. Definitely the parks have a lot less interstate people. . They felt quieter, more peaceful and amenities were always clean and virtually empty...loved it.  Many of the Qld vanners were happy at the fewer numbers as a few said that at least they were able to get a site. Complaints of many booking the same site 12 months in advance.  This may well change as the Qld campers will now get first option to re-book.  Airlie Beach looks like it is in full swing again with big numbers in the main street Saturday morning. Business,s slowly opening up but tourism has still taken a big hit. Bugger all interstate vans on the road as well. Hopefully the borders are policed well for as long is needed.  Victoria's issues could well have happened to any large city. Hope they get on top as the ripple effect will go across Oz.
7 weeks until I,ll be in Burketown fishing. Had 2 trips ruined by this virus.  Just hope that our figures (Qld) allow us to holiday at home. Its about time the Vics and NSW people cared about their fellow state peoples and camp within their own state. Bushfires and business downturns means that support is needed now. We are in for a rocky ride...everyone.
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Post by: Bird on July 26, 2020, 10:55:23 AM
Wow.

More than 50 aged care deaths predicted in next fortnight as Victoria fights 'crisis'
By Michael Fowler

More than 50 Victorian aged care residents already infected with coronavirus are predicted to die in the next fortnight as the number of infections hit 536 residents and workers across 38 aged care homes and the state recorded five deaths on Saturday.

In a sign authorities have recognised aged care as Victoria's number one coronavirus concern, the federal and state governments have collaborated to form a centralised aged care response centre led by emergency services in Melbourne.
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Post by: tryagain on July 26, 2020, 12:18:50 PM
Wow.

More than 50 aged care deaths predicted in next fortnight as Victoria fights 'crisis'
By Michael Fowler

More than 50 Victorian aged care residents already infected with coronavirus are predicted to die in the next fortnight as the number of infections hit 536 residents and workers across 38 aged care homes and the state recorded five deaths on Saturday.

In a sign authorities have recognised aged care as Victoria's number one coronavirus concern, the federal and state governments have collaborated to form a centralised aged care response centre led by emergency services in Melbourne.

Newmarch house in Sydney showed what happens if there is an outbreak in aged care with 19 deaths. Resources will be more stretched now Vic, would be surprised if it didn't end up being more than 50.
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Post by: glenm64 on July 26, 2020, 02:11:43 PM
Most industrial businesses I know of segregated work groups with no overlaps between teams when Clovis hit to protect the business as part of their crisis management plans.
Why didnt nursing homes with their vulnerable patients not do it? Because they run them undermanned and depend on flexible casual and part timer workers to cover shifts. They also use agency casuals to cover gaps. Even in the nursing homes with different wards, staff moved between wards when working. What chance did the oldies have with business models like that? Only now when things are dire they are looking at changes.

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Post by: Bird on July 26, 2020, 02:45:43 PM
So not feeling flash last couple of days, looked up where the nearest testing center is -
https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/where-get-tested-covid-19 (https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/where-get-tested-covid-19)
turns out that it was walking distance from home..
So went down.

No waiting really -only 2 infront of me..
Answered a few questions, fill in a form, waited no more than 5 mins.

Hearing horror stories of sending in a D9 up ya schnoz - it was nothing like that..
Once I sat down - the whole thing was over in 1 minute.

If ya feeling like ya got a bit of a cold/flu - head down to one of the walk up centers... The dude there said they never have waiting like the drive through ones...

The only issue is Big Dan said you dont need to isolate after a test, but the testing center nurse bloke said you need to until results, 3-5 days time.
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Post by: bmwfreak on July 26, 2020, 02:48:38 PM
Well done, and well said Bird :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
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Post by: HKB Electronics on July 26, 2020, 03:04:54 PM
Big Dans been going on for days about people not isolating after going for a test, your supposed isolate until you get the results!

The communication has been really poor, a couple of days ago it was stated if you don't have any symptoms then you don't need
to self isolate till you get the results. Then you have Dan complaining that that 50% aren't self isolating after having the test.

They really need to get their act together as the conflicting messages are confusing people.

Same for masks, was walking at the beach this morning, about half the bike riders were wearing mask, same for runners, if half can wear
then all should be. Walkers too, seen a few without masks walking with a few quick steps every now and again, I imagine if they get pulled
up they say their jogging Then there were those with just the mouth covered, and the mask below the noise! There used to be more police
around keeping order before the restrictions level was raised.
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Post by: Hairs on July 26, 2020, 05:30:10 PM
Sums up some peoples attitudes.
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Post by: Bird on July 26, 2020, 06:00:12 PM
Quote from: HKB Electronics
The communication has been really poor, a couple of days ago it was stated if you don't have any symptoms then you don't need to self isolate till you get the results. Then you have Dan complaining that that 50% aren't self isolating after having the test.

They really need to get their act together as the conflicting messages are confusing people.
THIS LOTS...
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Post by: tedota on July 27, 2020, 10:22:56 AM
Yes black lives matter but don’t old lives matter?
Just can’t believe what’s happening in Victoria after the NSW fiasco.
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Post by: Bigfish on July 27, 2020, 12:06:08 PM
Yes black lives matter but don’t old lives matter?
Just can’t believe what’s happening in Victoria after the NSW fiasco.

I,m over this bullShit black lives matter. All lives matter.  If you want to do criminal acts, act like a f wit towards coppers or just be very anti social in your endeavors then expect to pay the price.  If this demo goes ahead the whole lot of the selfish, ignorant and arrogant pricks should >:D >:D >:D be isolated in a jail cell for 14 days..
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Post by: alnjan on July 27, 2020, 03:14:51 PM
I,m over this bullShit black lives matter. All lives matter.  If you want to do criminal acts, act like a f wit towards coppers or just be very anti social in your endeavors then expect to pay the price.  If this demo goes ahead the whole lot of the selfish, ignorant and arrogant pricks should >:D >:D >:D be isolated in a jail cell for 14 days..

Sadly people are blindly swallowing up the sentiment of Black Lives Matter without knowing what Black Lives Matter mission and agenda stand for or what their end goal stands for.   
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Post by: Bird on July 27, 2020, 04:21:22 PM
Sadly people are blindly swallowing up the sentiment of Black Lives Matter without knowing what Black Lives Matter mission and agenda stand for or what their end goal stands for.
bingo
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Post by: lukeycat on July 27, 2020, 07:40:19 PM
bingo
One of the saddest aspects of this is if covid gets into the remote indigenous communities it will decimate them with the comorbidities such diabetes and heart disease being so common in the indigenous population.


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Post by: Hairs on July 27, 2020, 07:51:01 PM
bingo
Yep,
Two fat ladies.
There is the winner.
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Post by: Bird on July 28, 2020, 12:47:39 PM
Quote from: Bird
...... until results, 3-5 days time.
and thats that.
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Post by: GeoffA on July 28, 2020, 01:11:27 PM
 :cup: :cup:
Title: Re: How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.
Post by: Bigfish on July 28, 2020, 04:19:36 PM
One of the saddest aspects of this is if covid gets into the remote indigenous communities it will decimate them with the comorbidity such diabetes and heart disease being so common in the indigenous population.


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True statements.  It makes you wonder though...what the f are all the nuppty blacks and whites attending rallies for that could possibly see this virus spread even more..

Black lives matter no more than white or any other colour...
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Post by: Spada on July 29, 2020, 12:56:06 PM
I'd suggest a different place for their isolation  >:(

These 2 selfish ignorant bitches are now putting an entire community into disarray. School is closed, aged care homes are going into lockdown, looks like shopping centres will need to close for deep cleaning, and anyone in the area may now need to be tested and isolate until results are returned.

Don't throw the book at them, throw f#^%#$#$ stones at them  >:(

https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/how-teens-put-qld-in-covid-19-panic-mode-c-1201918 (https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/how-teens-put-qld-in-covid-19-panic-mode-c-1201918)
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Post by: jclures on July 29, 2020, 01:18:53 PM
People can not be trusted to tell the truth, >:( so just close the borders again until it is again safe to do so.
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Post by: alnjan on July 29, 2020, 01:23:45 PM
I'd suggest a different place for their isolation  >:(

These 2 selfish ignorant bitches are now putting an entire community into disarray. School is closed, aged care homes are going into lockdown, looks like shopping centres will need to close for deep cleaning, and anyone in the area may now need to be tested and isolate until results are returned.

Don't throw the book at them, throw f#^%#$#$ stones at them  >:(

https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/how-teens-put-qld-in-covid-19-panic-mode-c-1201918 (https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/how-teens-put-qld-in-covid-19-panic-mode-c-1201918)

They are just unbelievably selfishly stupid.   
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Post by: Bird on July 29, 2020, 01:26:26 PM
Quote from: jclures
People can not be trusted to tell the truth, >:( so just close the borders again until it is again safe to do so.

sadly that could 12 + months... how do you think that would got down lolol
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Post by: Bird on July 29, 2020, 01:28:49 PM
I'd suggest a different place for their isolation  >:(

These 2 selfish ignorant bitches are now putting an entire community into disarray. School is closed, aged care homes are going into lockdown, looks like shopping centres will need to close for deep cleaning, and anyone in the area may now need to be tested and isolate until results are returned.

Don't throw the book at them, throw f#^%#$#$ stones at them  >:(

https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/how-teens-put-qld-in-covid-19-panic-mode-c-1201918 (https://7news.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/how-teens-put-qld-in-covid-19-panic-mode-c-1201918)
start with name and shame... photos front page of  the paper :D

this is why it will never go away... taking it serious ??
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Post by: Hairs on July 29, 2020, 01:35:29 PM
start with name and shame... photos front page of  the paper :D

this is why it will never go away... taking it serious ??
I wish, these people have to be made accountable.
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Post by: Kangaron on July 29, 2020, 03:23:16 PM
They are just unbelievably selfishly stupid.
Hahahaha, you have just the two and you all go off.
We have had a city full of them for months.

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Post by: edz on July 29, 2020, 06:41:28 PM
[quote ]
They are just unbelievably selfishly stupid.
[/quote]

The attitude of a lot from the Northern side of the border who cross every day into NSW and return without being checked, "  Unfortunitely "   Then spruke about how they dont want those bad bad  virus infected southerners coming into their state .
Well the inevitable has has now bit their arse and now their communities will pay the price .. From within their own .
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Post by: alnjan on July 29, 2020, 10:33:19 PM
Hahahaha, you have just the two and you all go off.
We have had a city full of them for months.

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Yep there are a lot of selfishly stupid people about.   But just the special ones already showing symptoms catch a flight from Melbourne to Sydney then fill out border pass saying they are coming from Sydney to Brisbane but do not mention the couple of hours lay over waiting for the connecting flight to from Sydney to Brisbane.  While in Brisbane go about their 'normal' life like shopping at major shopping centres, going to work at a school, all while showing symptoms then later decide to get tested to find they are positive.   Criminal investigation hopefully they get what they deserve.   
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Post by: tryagain on July 29, 2020, 11:40:38 PM
start with name and shame... photos front page of  the paper :D

Done

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/coronavirus-queensland-teens-who-allegedly-failed-to-quarantine-identified/news-story/d671893867c3389f5f1c5007e3a77871 (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/coronavirus-queensland-teens-who-allegedly-failed-to-quarantine-identified/news-story/d671893867c3389f5f1c5007e3a77871)
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Post by: edz on July 30, 2020, 01:19:51 AM
The local lynch mobs are gathering .... These two will most likely have  police protection assigned soon . Going by some of the locals face plant rants .
God help them if someone gets sick or dies  ..  Can almost hear the banjo's twnging in the distance .
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Post by: Troopy_03 on July 30, 2020, 05:35:27 AM
Well Eve Black's car windo got busted, then she got busted LOL

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-eve-black-arrest-victoria-border-checkpoint-video-melbourne-outbreak-covid19/1c569e41-477b-47c9-9155-8bad545fc333 (https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-eve-black-arrest-victoria-border-checkpoint-video-melbourne-outbreak-covid19/1c569e41-477b-47c9-9155-8bad545fc333)
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Post by: Spada on July 30, 2020, 06:20:11 AM
Done

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/coronavirus-queensland-teens-who-allegedly-failed-to-quarantine-identified/news-story/d671893867c3389f5f1c5007e3a77871 (https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/coronavirus-queensland-teens-who-allegedly-failed-to-quarantine-identified/news-story/d671893867c3389f5f1c5007e3a77871)

More being reported this morning. It's being reported that they travelled to Melbourne to attend a party and go on a shop lifting spree in the fashion outlets. Apparently they were each issued a $1600 fine in Vic for breaching Covid rules at the party. They were told to get Covid tested on Friday but chose not to bother until Monday, going about their normal lifestyles over the weekend while still ill.

They are now under police guard in hospital.

Personally, the actions of these two young women show that they are nothing more than a stain on the underpants of society. The results of their actions are immeasurable. Whilst infectious, they have attended a significant list of resturants, food outlets, medical centres, shopping centres, and high volume public places (like Southbank). not to mention their link to the 2 schools which are now closed.
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Post by: Robbo on July 30, 2020, 08:07:25 AM
This pretty much sums it up.  ;D ;D
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Post by: edz on July 30, 2020, 08:11:43 AM
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 reported that they travelled to Melbourne to attend a party
[/quote]

Wonder if it was the same sort of party,  a group of local similar looking ladies  from here fly in fly out for ? .  ;)
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Post by: jclures on July 30, 2020, 08:24:44 AM
At the price of air fares now they would have to pay for them some how. ;D
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Post by: bmwfreak on July 30, 2020, 08:41:52 AM
Forget about the fines for these two. Push the businesses effected to take legal action for loss of income, then ensure the case gets heard within the week, and the judge is one of the people who went to the restaurants quoted ??? ???. The businesses should be awarded so much that the two will be destitute for the remainder of their ‘partying’ lives >:D >:D
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Post by: edz on July 30, 2020, 09:08:38 AM
So if someone dies from these two's deliberate antics ..  Could they be charged with manslaughter or  murder ? ..
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Post by: Kangaron on July 30, 2020, 09:13:44 AM
Just listening to 3aw, which has accurately predicted the number of new cases in Vic for the last two weeks, say today's figures are over 700, with deaths over 10.

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Post by: #jonesy on July 30, 2020, 09:19:39 AM
I wouldn't say predicted. More likely leaked.

All through this I've been hearing whispers, hours and days before the government makes announcements.  Some of it has obviously need speculation, but some of the detail is spot on.
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Post by: Mace on July 30, 2020, 09:54:41 AM


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8574253/Victoria-announces-record-700-new-coronavirus-cases-13-deaths.html?ito=push-notification&ci=25575&si=9930254 (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8574253/Victoria-announces-record-700-new-coronavirus-cases-13-deaths.html?ito=push-notification&ci=25575&si=9930254)
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Post by: Bird on July 30, 2020, 10:04:30 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8574253/Victoria-announces-record-700-new-coronavirus-cases-13-deaths.html?ito=push-notification&ci=25575&si=9930254 (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8574253/Victoria-announces-record-700-new-coronavirus-cases-13-deaths.html?ito=push-notification&ci=25575&si=9930254)
yea 3AW just said 723 and 11 deaths

Its going nowhere.
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Post by: Jeepers Creepers on July 30, 2020, 10:05:42 AM
yea 3AW just said 723 and 11 deaths

Just heard the same here.
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Post by: Bird on July 30, 2020, 11:08:37 AM
https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-global-covid-19-cases-pass-16-8-million-deaths-reach-660-000-20200730-p55gsa.html#p50x1q (https://www.theage.com.au/national/coronavirus-updates-live-global-covid-19-cases-pass-16-8-million-deaths-reach-660-000-20200730-p55gsa.html#p50x1q)
Watch live:
Victoria's coronavirus update with Premier Daniel Andrews


105 deaths all up :'( thats tragic - all todays over 60

There are currently 5385 active coronavirus cases in Victoria, Premier Daniel Andrews has said.
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Post by: xcvator on July 30, 2020, 12:47:17 PM
So just how bad does it have to get before bigears decides that we have to have a total lock down of everything except super markets for food, chemists,doctors.Wear a mask when outside your home, NO EXCEPTIONS.




Pity the unions have so much say in what gets done down here   >:( >:( >:( 
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Post by: Bird on July 30, 2020, 01:27:46 PM
Unions would do **** all but demand a payrise and less hours  ;D


of extreme concern ->>>

One in 10 firms say they will shut once government support ends

One in 10 businesses say they will close once government support measures such as JobKeeper come to an end.

A special business survey by the Australian Bureau of Statistics, released on Thursday, shows how dependent many firms are on programs including JobKeeper, which the government plans to start winding back from the end of September.

While 10 per cent of firms said they would shut without support, among accommodation and food services businesses the closure rate rose to 23 per cent. Among transport, postal and warehousing firms, the closure rate was 18 per cent.

A total of 12 per cent of firms said they would let go staff once government support ends, a sign of the possible increase in unemployment that might hit the economy through the end of this year and into early 2021.

The survey came as the ABS also reported a 4.9 per cent drop in dwelling approvals through June. Over the past year, they are now down by 15.8 per cent.

"The impact of COVID-19 was evident on dwelling approvals in June," the bureau's assistant director construction statistics, Bill Becker, said.
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Post by: Spada on July 30, 2020, 04:34:10 PM
More being reported this morning. It's being reported that they travelled to Melbourne to attend a party and go on a shop lifting spree in the fashion outlets. Apparently they were each issued a $1600 fine in Vic for breaching Covid rules at the party. They were told to get Covid tested on Friday but chose not to bother until Monday, going about their normal lifestyles over the weekend while still ill.

 not to mention their link to the 2 schools which are now closed.

Add another school to the list. The church that one of these idiots attended while infectious is actually a community church that hires the Greenbank State School hall on Sundays for their service. The hall had was cleaned by school janitors on Monday morning, but not a "covid quality" deep clean. Aparently this was prior to school opening, but I know that the school OSHC use this hall from 6am for students in their care, and that the schools cleaners are now isolated pending test results.

There is also another new infection that will be linked to this pair, one of their friends is an employee of a very large freight handling depot at Redbank and I'm led to believe has returned a positive result today.
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Post by: Hairs on July 30, 2020, 04:59:55 PM
Hey,
Just another shout out to our Vic Swaggers, Mates & Families.
Take care Guys & Girls, we are thinking of you.
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Post by: jclures on July 30, 2020, 05:02:08 PM
That is true Hairs, everyone take care down there.
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Post by: edz on July 30, 2020, 05:18:26 PM
 8)
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Post by: Bird on July 31, 2020, 10:47:47 AM
600+ today :'(
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Post by: Robbo on July 31, 2020, 11:51:45 AM
I see that the brother of one of those scum females that brought the virus into Qld is acusing the authotities of being racist and picking on his sister because of her skin colour. Un effing believable. If any deaths occur as a result of their selfish and ignorant actions, they should be charged with invoulantary manslaughter.
What will it take to make some people realise just how serious this pandemic situation actually is?

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Post by: Spada on July 31, 2020, 12:10:24 PM
I see that the brother of one of those scum females that brought the virus into Qld is acusing the authotities of being racist and picking on his sister because of her skin colour. Un effing believable. If any deaths occur as a result of their selfish and ignorant actions, they should be charged with invoulantary manslaughter.
What will it take to make some people realise just how serious this pandemic situation actually is?

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and now the 4th new case (direct link to these 2 women) has been in close contact with a relative that works in an aged care centre.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-queensland-live-brisbane-covid19-updates/live-coverage/bec368c4b3178a303012448dfd885e27 (https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/coronavirus-queensland-live-brisbane-covid19-updates/live-coverage/bec368c4b3178a303012448dfd885e27)
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Queensland’s newest case of coronavirus has triggered a panicked chain reaction across the southeast, including at an aged care facility.

A 27-year-old man tested positive for COVID-19 overnight and has been declared the fourth case in the cluster sparked by the two women who allegedly lied to sneak back into Brisbane from Melbourne.

“It’s confusing, I do apologise,” chief health officer Dr Jeannette Young said while explaining the bizarre link.

It sure is confusing. Here’s what has taken place:

1. The man tested positive overnight and contact tracing took place.

2. The man had been in contact with a relative and the relative’s partner.

3. Those two people dined at a Korean restaurant in Sunnybank on July 23 called Madtongsan.

4. Olivia Winnie Muranga, 19, Diana Lasu, 21, the women who spent time in Melbourne, jumped the border and went into the community while infectious, were at that restaurant at the same time.

5. The women and the two relatives weren’t known to each other, it’s understood.

6. The two relatives have been tested but their results aren’t back, but Dr Young thinks it’s likely one or both will have COVID-19

7. One of those relatives works at the Bolton Clarke aged care facility in Pinjarra Hills.
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Post by: Bird on July 31, 2020, 12:19:58 PM
I see that the brother of one of those scum females that brought the virus into Qld is acusing the authotities of being racist and picking on his sister because of her skin colour.
surprised it took that long to dig out the race card... it would have been smoking in their pockets....


'You need to think about my sister. (She) couldn’t even breathe. Some days she couldn’t even like breathe out of her, like her airways.'

FFS with those lips ???
(https://newsatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/2020-07-30-2.jpg?w=600)
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Post by: Robbo on July 31, 2020, 12:56:59 PM
It never ceases to amaze me how certain people will pull out the "racist" or "offended" card when things are'nt going their way and they are in the wrong.
Also how the media is quick to get on board and almost make them out to be saints.
With the media constantly putting down and rubbishing govt. officials who are trying their best to control an almost impossible situation, it's no wonder that some individuals are treating this pandemic with total contempt.

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Post by: corndog on July 31, 2020, 01:30:31 PM
I've found that some of the biggest racist are the ones that are screaming racism. I had not even thought about their skin colour. Maybe cause I couldn't get past those sets of lips,. All it has to do with me is the fact that they have no regard for anyone's welfare and the steps to help contain this thing. I really do hope they get the full punishment of the law. Same goes for any others that go their way.
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Post by: Bird on July 31, 2020, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: corndog
I really do hope they get the full punishment of the law.

now they have played their joker card, theres no way Gov Co will have the balls to give them the works in fear of 'offending' them cause of their colour..
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Post by: Gazza00 on July 31, 2020, 02:49:42 PM
FFS with those lips ???

It would be easy to isolate these pair  ...  just lick their lips and stick them to a window  ...  just like a flanged drain plunger
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Post by: Kangaron on July 31, 2020, 03:19:04 PM
ADF door knocked 500 peeps that had tested positive and we're supposed to be self isolating, and a whopping 130 were no home.
No wonder Melbourne is &$#@ed.

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Post by: DarWen on July 31, 2020, 04:09:50 PM
surprised it took that long to dig out the race card... it would have been smoking in their pockets....


'You need to think about my sister. (She) couldn’t even breathe. Some days she couldn’t even like breathe out of her, like her airways.'

FFS with those lips ???
(https://newsatnewscorpau.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/2020-07-30-2.jpg?w=600)

Are they Black?  I thought it was just a bad job on the fake tans. Maybe got it done at the same place they had their lips done. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: Hairs on July 31, 2020, 07:40:01 PM
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Post by: AllanK on August 01, 2020, 08:36:44 AM
ADF door knocked 500 peeps that had tested positive and we're supposed to be self isolating, and a whopping 130 were no home.
No wonder Melbourne is &$#@ed.

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It ain’t hard.
If they’re not at home when checked on get them when they come home and place them into hotel quarantine at their cost with 14 days to restart from them. Clearly they can’t be relied upon/trusted to do the right thing themselves.
Oh that can’t work cause they don’t have the funds to pay the cost.
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Post by: Spada on August 01, 2020, 09:44:10 AM
Thanks to those 2 ftard women im now standing in a cue to get tested. Ive been at 2 of the places on the hit list around the times in question.
No my weekend is stuffed cause ill have to isolate untill the results come back
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Post by: edz on August 01, 2020, 11:18:57 AM
Reckon  you and a thousand others would rather  be standing in a queue to give them a smack in the mouth ..
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Post by: Pottsy on August 01, 2020, 01:06:04 PM
Reckon  you and a thousand others would rather  be standing in a queue to give them a smack in the mouth ..