Post by: Bird on July 29, 2014, 03:19:13 PM
Great name for an engineer - who gets to tell you what you don't want to hear :D
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Nissan has ruled out offering a diesel-powered version of its latest Patrol, despite high demand for one in Australia.
Takashi Fuku, chief engineer of the new Nissan Navara and the V8-powered Patrol, says the manufacturer could not justify developing diesel power for its flagship SUV.
“It’s too big an investment, sorry,” he says.
“Four years ago or five years ago I did a study to use diesel engine, it did not succeed.
“It was a high investment with low [economic] performance. That is the reason why we did not make a diesel.”
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/no-diesel-for-nissan-patrol-20140729-zy094.html (http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/no-diesel-for-nissan-patrol-20140729-zy094.html)
Post by: Swannie on July 29, 2014, 03:22:57 PM
Post by: Steffo1 on July 29, 2014, 04:21:05 PM
Post by: chester ver2.0 on July 29, 2014, 04:49:35 PM
I could get it to 17 for running around town for a day
I could have probably got it lower but i was having fun ;D
Post by: chisel on July 29, 2014, 04:50:28 PM
Post by: GeoffA on July 29, 2014, 04:55:58 PM
The denials went on for 2 years, then surprise, surprise.....
Not saying the same will happen here, but it wouldn't shock me if it did.
Post by: Bird on July 29, 2014, 05:13:56 PM
Quote from: swannie
did you really think that would do a diesel mate?Nope...
I fully expected them to not do sweet nanny adams about it.
Post by: Hills Mum Bec on July 29, 2014, 05:19:18 PM
Post by: Bird on July 29, 2014, 05:21:15 PM
Quote from: Hills Mum Bec
I don't understand why. Surely there is a market for it.There is - Nissan admits there is - but we are about 1/1000th the size of the market they need to make money..
The issue is they don't have a decent motor, they have to design one and make it last longer than the dealers driveway.
Post by: lino6 on July 29, 2014, 05:33:37 PM
Post by: Bird on July 29, 2014, 05:34:46 PM
Quote from: lino6
...pick out the model then option the drive line with a 400 Cummins and an Alison auto?
Vince has a Duramax turbo IC 6.6 in his GU with Alison Auto... :D
Post by: lino6 on July 29, 2014, 05:44:02 PM
There must not be enough demand in Australia or you would think Cummins or one of those types of engine builders might have got into it. But I suppose it would rely on all the manufacturers to get on board too and that'll never happen....
Post by: Bullant4x4 on July 29, 2014, 07:09:37 PM
Post by: Elky on July 29, 2014, 08:48:52 PM
Nissan will always be bridesmaid to Toyota unless mr yota gets it wrong badly......
Nissan needs a kick ass v8 diesel to compete and they simply don't have one, I wish they did tho it would take some of that toyota dealership smugness away
Post by: CRW on July 29, 2014, 08:54:05 PM
Nissan is where is at now due to choices made years ago.......they simply made the wrong choices much like ford oz did by not manufacturing for overseas markets yet holden kicked ass because they did......
Nissan will always be bridesmaid to Toyota unless mr yota gets it wrong badly......
Nissan needs a kick ass v8 diesel to compete and they simply don't have one, I wish they did tho it would take some of that toyota dealership smugness away
Oh what a feeling
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Carl
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Post by: oldmate on July 29, 2014, 09:19:52 PM
Nissan is where is at now due to choices made years ago.......they simply made the wrong choices much like ford oz did by not manufacturing for overseas markets yet holden kicked ass because they did......
Nissan will always be bridesmaid to Toyota unless mr yota gets it wrong badly......
Nissan needs a kick ass v8 diesel to compete and they simply don't have one, I wish they did tho it would take some of that toyota dealership smugness away
Yeah but, your still just talking an Aussie market, nissan have their eyes on the rest of the world, where the cost of petrol, is like filling up from your garden hose, from the rain water tank you had installed.
How many kW is your TD producing of the floor?
Post by: Bird on July 29, 2014, 10:09:09 PM
Post by: speewa158 on July 30, 2014, 08:23:15 PM
Post by: Bullant4x4 on July 30, 2014, 08:27:46 PM
Hang on a bit ,,, if Nissan folds cause nobody want a petrol tug , will we still be able to hand S&$T on Jeeps . Thats all that's left . :cheers:
You got it all wrong! It's better to hang S&$T than to drive S&$T :)
Post by: speewa158 on July 31, 2014, 07:39:19 AM
Post by: swanny on July 31, 2014, 07:41:12 AM
Nissan will always be bridesmaid to Toyota unless mr yota gets it wrong badly......
Only in sales figures get it in the bush and its still along way in front...seen it first hand many times...
Post by: Aaron Schubert on July 31, 2014, 08:07:07 AM
Aaron
Post by: Bullant4x4 on July 31, 2014, 08:07:18 AM
" l love the sound of a tilt tray in the morning :cup:
The main engine sound of the Toyota :D
Post by: achjimmy on July 31, 2014, 08:51:08 AM
Post by: Ian Wilkinson on July 31, 2014, 09:10:18 AM
The Saudi's love petrol and it's cheap, and in the US is near impossible to buy diesel in towns or cities, usually it's only available on the interstate highways.
We've hired RV's over there 3 times, 32-34 foot units, weigh in at 15 or 16 tons, and all powered by V10 petrol engines. Economy was terrible on the first two, equiv to about 5mls to the gallon, the latest model we had this year managed about 8.
The yanks don't want diesel, and after a chat with some fellas at the BMW museum in Munich last year, even they said petrol will be the way of the future, that diesel has a very measurable lifespan, and it's not much longer. They said small petrol engines have come a long way, producing good torque with good reductions in fuel usage over the last few years, with better to come.
Maybe the Nissan boys know what they are doing and don't really care what one of the smallest markets in the world thinks ?
Post by: Bird on July 31, 2014, 10:05:51 AM
Quote from: Ian Wilkinson
...don't really care what one of the smallest markets in the world thinks ?
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Post by: swanny on July 31, 2014, 12:35:45 PM
The main market for the new Patrol is the Saudis , they only want Petrol. And petrol sells well enough in the US to give them some leverage there. As the yanks come around more to diesel in SUV there is more likelihood Nissan will do something. But it will be balanced against cost v budgeted numbers, and maybe saved for another model and the yanks really ain't into small diesels (>5L) in big SUVs. Nissan global today is effectively managed and focused by Renault and the French management. They won't have the same interest in AU market like other Japanese manuafatures.
There you have it, pretty bloody good explanation id say....
Post by: dazzler on August 03, 2014, 08:33:31 PM
People are obsessed with diesel. Prados are a perfect example. The petrol makes more sense if you do the sums yet diesel is preferred.
Over 100,000 ks your fuel use is around;
Diesel $13135
Petrol $16000
Factor in the higher maintenance costs and it's not worth bothering with.
But hey, marketing works.
Post by: GeoffA on August 03, 2014, 08:44:46 PM
....
Factor in the higher maintenance costs and it's not worth bothering with.
....
In $$ terms, yes, but range should also be considered for a tourer.
Petrols appear to be getting better at this, though...
Post by: Homer_Jay on August 03, 2014, 08:52:30 PM
Just look at patrols and cruisers on the second hand market that are ten years old.
But I agree, while I own diesels, I think now days there is a strong argument for owning a petrol.
Post by: dazzler on August 03, 2014, 09:37:41 PM
Smart buyers use that to their advantage on the second hand market. Not much use new of course. :D
The new FJ Cruisers opened my TD eyes. Many returning 11lphk average which is amazing considering the power output.
Post by: Ian Wilkinson on August 04, 2014, 10:11:45 AM
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ohhh Bird has man'ly issues hey, viagra not working any more ??
Post by: Bullant4x4 on August 04, 2014, 11:39:38 AM
Also I think it will be a long time before a farmer will fill his shed with 45 gallon drums of petrol. Diesel is 1000 times more safer than petrol.
Post by: dazzler on August 04, 2014, 05:52:25 PM
If I'm driving around oz I would only be taking diesel with me. Who wants 120lt tank + 3 jerry cans of petrol onboard? BOOM.
Also I think it will be a long time before a farmer will fill his shed with 45 gallon drums of petrol. Diesel is 1000 times more safer than petrol.
Yep. Sick to death of the news headlines every night about petrol blowing up all over OZ. Its a tragedy I tell you. :D
Post by: Bullant4x4 on August 04, 2014, 05:53:26 PM
Yep. Sick to death of the news headlines every night about petrol blowing up all over OZ. Its a tragedy I tell you. :DYou know what I was meaning without 2900 lines to explain it :)
Post by: dazzler on August 04, 2014, 06:10:26 PM
Post by: achjimmy on August 04, 2014, 06:50:27 PM
Post by: Team Evil on August 04, 2014, 07:59:00 PM
At the Toyota stealership the other day was talk of Toyota dropping the 70 series and importing the Tundra.
Post by: koshari on August 04, 2014, 08:14:23 PM
Post by: speewa158 on August 04, 2014, 08:27:03 PM
Post by: discoteddy on August 04, 2014, 08:32:02 PM
I think it's been said before we also buy diesels for the torque both with and without towing. Before buying the diesel Pajero I test drove a petrol and it was peaky and not suited to vehicle IMO.
Sums up my experience as well :cup:
Cheers ,
Disco teddy
Post by: speewa158 on August 04, 2014, 08:39:22 PM
Post by: GeoffA on August 04, 2014, 08:49:43 PM
Gezzzz put your foot down in a petrol watch the fuel gauge go down , do that in a diesel & its POWER You can SEE :cheers: ( A Wise Old Sage told me this , though l don't think he cold see me . Lots of Black Smoke ) :cheers:
Nah, not the
Post by: lino6 on August 04, 2014, 09:03:11 PM
Post by: grafy82 on August 04, 2014, 11:22:57 PM
Post by: GGV8Cruza on April 10, 2015, 07:55:07 AM
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/cummins-pursuing-diesel-power-for-nissan-patrol-20150113-12mstl.html (http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/cummins-pursuing-diesel-power-for-nissan-patrol-20150113-12mstl.html)
GG
Post by: noel_w on April 10, 2015, 09:23:34 AM
Late news, there may be a diesel on the way, probably not though
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/cummins-pursuing-diesel-power-for-nissan-patrol-20150113-12mstl.html (http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/cummins-pursuing-diesel-power-for-nissan-patrol-20150113-12mstl.html)
GG
LOL typo there on their page. Nissan currently sells two generations of Patrol in Australia, the ageing GQ generation model with a diesel engine and the newer Y62 generation (http://www.drive.com.au/new-car-reviews/nissan-patrol-ti-outback-road-test-20130816-2s0g5.html) that went on sale with a 298kW 5.6-litre V8 engine in 2013.
Wish I could buy a new GQ again with a factory 4.2Turbo.
Post by: gronk on April 10, 2015, 10:04:43 AM
Petrol is approx $2.20 a gallon, so at approx 3.8 ltrs per gallon, it seems to be around 60 cents a litre....plus you would need to convert the dollar at 0.78 cents ???
But you see heaps of Japanese and European cars here now...if it wasn' t for their pickups, I think their motor industry would be looking sad as well ??
Post by: chester ver2.0 on April 10, 2015, 11:30:22 AM
If I'm driving around oz I would only be taking diesel with me. Who wants 120lt tank + 3 jerry cans of petrol onboard? BOOM.
Also I think it will be a long time before a farmer will fill his shed with 45 gallon drums of petrol. Diesel is 1000 times more safer than petrol.
Wake up to yourself with 140 litres on board there are only 2 tracks in OZ that a petrol prado may have to take extra fuel on being the Simpson and Canning and you may do those trips once in a lifetime if you are lucky
Post by: GeoffA on April 10, 2015, 12:12:01 PM
Wake up to yourself with 140 litres on board there are only 2 tracks in OZ that a petrol prado may have to take extra fuel on being the Simpson and Canning and you may do those trips once in a lifetime if you are lucky
Yeah, but who wants a petrol Prado??....... :P ;D ;D
Post by: dazzler on April 10, 2015, 01:36:37 PM
Yeah, but who wants a petrol Prado??....... :P ;D ;D
Me. Floor the throttle baby and the grin takes days to fade!
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Post by: Bird on April 10, 2015, 07:23:06 PM
Quote from: dazzler
Me. Floor the throttle baby and the grin takes days to fade!
Same in my TD modded diesel patrol...
Post by: dazzler on April 10, 2015, 08:47:25 PM
Same in my TD modded diesel patrol...
God your a funny bugger.
Post by: GeoffA on April 10, 2015, 08:50:04 PM
God your a funny bugger.
Not really. You'd get smoked in more ways than 1..... ;D ;D ;D
Post by: gronk on April 10, 2015, 10:39:52 PM
Me. Floor the throttle baby and the grin takes days to fade!
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Have you driven a lowly diesel 200 series. ?????? ;D
Post by: Bird on January 13, 2016, 09:45:17 AM
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Nissan's Cummins-sourced 5.0-litre turbo diesel V8 remains in place under the bonnet. Producing around 230kW and 750Nm in standard trim, the big motor has more than enough pulling power to help the big truck get mobile.
Read more: http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/nissan-muscles-up-with-titan-warrior-20160112-gm4jmm.html#ixzz3x4ouhNbP (http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/nissan-muscles-up-with-titan-warrior-20160112-gm4jmm.html#ixzz3x4ouhNbP)
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Post by: callmejoe on January 13, 2016, 11:56:57 AM
Goes like a cut cat. ( toy 200 good luck keeping up) Tows like nothings even hooked up. Then out 4wd, man its comfy, and plenty capable.
Yes I'm bias cause i own 1.
Post by: scrapsD40 on January 13, 2016, 12:06:37 PM
Now owning the patrol y62. 5.6 petrol V8. I wont be going back to a diesel. Yep heavier on fuel. Do i care? Nope. (Was $25g cheaper then a 200 vx).noice
Goes like a cut cat. ( toy 200 good luck keeping up) Tows like nothings even hooked up. Then out 4wd, man its comfy, and plenty capable.
Yes I'm bias cause i own 1.
Post by: gronk on January 13, 2016, 12:21:01 PM
Now owning the patrol y62. 5.6 petrol V8. I wont be going back to a diesel. Yep heavier on fuel. Do i care? Nope. (Was $25g cheaper then a 200 vx).
Goes like a cut cat. ( toy 200 good luck keeping up) Tows like nothings even hooked up. Then out 4wd, man its comfy, and plenty capable.
Yes I'm bias cause i own 1.
They are a nice truck !!
Whack on a 2T van and we'll see how they compare to the 200 "dirty" diesel ?? ;D ;D
Post by: callmejoe on January 13, 2016, 12:25:43 PM
They are a nice truck !!
Whack on a 2T van and we'll see how they compare to the 200 "dirty" diesel ?? ;D ;D
I have but its a 3t off road brick. :D.
Ps not starting a slinging match. But i enjoy "fishing"
Post by: Bird on January 13, 2016, 12:28:26 PM
Post by: Troopy_03 on January 13, 2016, 01:03:30 PM
Post by: gronk on January 13, 2016, 01:06:16 PM
Ps not starting a slinging match. But i enjoy "fishing"
So do I......big game fishing !! ;D
Post by: callmejoe on January 13, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
So how do they go at low revs like when 4WDing over really rough terrain?
Fantastic. Low 1st, of what ever you choose. And it just walks as any other 4wd.
I have come from a pretty spec out 105 and i find this is patrol very easy to control. Yes it has all the gizmos like all new 4wd do. And I'll have to say they work very well.
It may sit a little higher in the rev range then a diesel but I still have all the same abilities.
Post by: doc evil on January 13, 2016, 02:01:50 PM
Now owning the patrol y62. 5.6 petrol V8. I wont be going back to a diesel. Yep heavier on fuel. Do i care? Nope. (Was $25g cheaper then a 200 vx).
Goes like a cut cat. ( toy 200 good luck keeping up) Tows like nothings even hooked up. Then out 4wd, man its comfy, and plenty capable.
Yes I'm bias cause i own 1.
and no long range tanks for remote touring, be interesting to see what it performs like on opal fuel, no chance of getting rear draws in it, under slung spare..... ::) ::) .......yep, laying in the dirt to get it out and put the buggered tyre back, massive fuel figures offroad.........
yep, keep it on the bitumen ::) ::) :P ;D
Post by: callmejoe on January 13, 2016, 03:01:17 PM
and no long range tanks for remote touring, be interesting to see what it performs like on opal fuel, no chance of getting rear draws in it, under slung spare..... ::) ::) .......yep, laying in the dirt to get it out and put the buggered tyre back, massive fuel figures offroad.........
yep, keep it on the bitumen ::) ::) :P ;D
Ha ha yr funny.
Rear bars are already available.
Spare wheel can be relocated to it.
Long rangers have a tank available.
Will run on Opal. But you may wish to add octane additive. Better then getting "dirty" diesel..
Fuel usage. While touring 15/100...
Rear draws? I have seen about 3 styles todate.
You even have rock sliders available.
So not sure what your on about. :cheers:
Post by: doc evil on January 13, 2016, 03:16:48 PM
Ha ha yr funny.
Rear bars are already available.
Spare wheel can be relocated to it.
Long rangers have a tank available.
Will run on Opal. But you may wish to add octane additive. Better then getting "dirty" diesel..
Fuel usage. While touring 15/100...
Rear draws? I have seen about 3 styles todate.
You even have rock sliders available.
So not sure what your on about. :cheers:
All tongue in cheek Joe.......
but I'd doubt that you'd get 15s on the canning, simmo, connie sue et al, hence "dirty" dieseasal is the go ;) ;)
Post by: gronk on January 13, 2016, 03:30:43 PM
.......yep, laying in the dirt to get it out and put the buggered tyre back,
Same as the 200 series.....1st rule is...don't get a flat....2nd rule is...don't lay on the ground, just wind the wheel down, pull it out and reverse for putting the flat under there !! 8) 8)
Post by: callmejoe on January 13, 2016, 03:32:57 PM
All tongue in cheek Joe.......
but I'd doubt that you'd get 15s on the canning, simmo, connie sue et al, hence "dirty" dieseasal is the go ;) ;)
Shes apples.
Yep I'm sure it use more fuel.. How much more, anyone's guess. From experience though I have found the fuel consumption not over the top as many just presume. Compared to my mated 200 im usually average 5 / 8L per 100km more. Towing, 4wding, normal driving. BUT put the loud pedal down its not the techco that moves the fastest.
Post by: Traveller on January 13, 2016, 03:47:22 PM
Yep I'm sure it use more fuel.. How much more, anyone's guess. From experience though I have found the fuel consumption not over the top as many just presume. Compared to my mated 200 im usually average 5 / 8L per 100km more. Towing, 4wding, normal driving. BUT put the loud pedal down its not the techco that moves the fastest.
Seem to remember a 4WD Action 'cross the Simmo knockout' between a 76 series V8 diesel ute and V8 petrol Datto with the intent of showing how much cheaper the Tojo was to run off road. There wasn't a lot between them in the end, much to my amazement (and theirs I would imagine). The Datty was also the better one to travel in.
Heard a V8 Nissan recently up in Bright that I thought was the best sounding real 4x4 I had ever heard, obviously with an aftermarket exhaust. I ended up drooling through my beard onto my shirt, and the better half had to close my mouth. My diesel was on shaky grounds for a couple of days. :D
Post by: Bird on January 13, 2016, 04:00:27 PM
Quote from: Traveller
Seem to remember a 4WD ActionI think the story loses cred right there LMAO
Post by: Swannie on January 13, 2016, 05:49:38 PM
Swannie
Post by: gronk on January 13, 2016, 06:23:30 PM
If your happy with whatever you drive then that's all that matters
Swannie
I'm usually the 1st to espouse the value of a diesel, but if I had plenty of coin for a new 200 series, the petrol would get serious discussion. The DPF is the one thing for me to maybe push the argument the other way !
Post by: Bird on January 13, 2016, 08:07:25 PM
If your happy with whatever you drive then that's all that mattersListen here Mr 2 4wds and a sweet Torry... your opinion doesn't count :P
Swannie
Post by: speewa158 on January 13, 2016, 08:40:41 PM
Convince me of the benefit . ??? :cheers:
Post by: weeds on January 13, 2016, 08:52:52 PM
Post by: speewa158 on January 13, 2016, 08:54:50 PM
With emission controls getting tighter every year I reckon diesels will be phased out in favor of petrols.........maybe Nissan are forward planning.Maybe VW could help in the soft ware development ??? :cheers:
Post by: doc evil on January 14, 2016, 07:27:57 AM
Long range fuel tanks , Pfffffff ,really ,just how many times in the life of the rig do you really need them now . Most fuel is within the tank range of the average stock rig . To do a run across the Simpson , Tanamine , or Darwin to Hobart . What cant you do with 4 or more plastic jerries ??? . Yes you can install a Huge tank for a few Gs or $200 of jerries .so you'd stuff 4 jerries into the back of ya wagon or heven forbid whack 80odd kg of jerries on ya roof taking up valuable storage space.........
Convince me of the benefit . ??? :cheers:
I regurlarly cross the country and have both long range main and sub. This helps stop where fuel is at a premium 1.20 vs 1.70.
also, the remote stuff I do, I need 1100-1200 offroad km between fills.
Post by: lino6 on January 14, 2016, 07:28:32 AM
Long range fuel tanks , Pfffffff ,really ,just how many times in the life of the rig do you really need them now . Most fuel is within the tank range of the average stock rig . To do a run across the Simpson , Tanamine , or Darwin to Hobart . What cant you do with 4 or more plastic jerries ??? . Yes you can install a Huge tank for a few Gs or $200 of jerries .
Convince me of the benefit . ??? :cheers:
With a long range tank means more slabs in the CT?
Post by: gronk on January 14, 2016, 09:19:50 AM
the remote stuff I do, I need 1100-1200 offroad km between fills.
You are maybe 1% of 4wders that actually do really remote stuff. You can get around nearly all of Australia on LPG if you plan a bit, so range isn't a big thing for most people !
Post by: cruiser 91 on January 14, 2016, 09:27:13 AM
With emission controls getting tighter every year I reckon diesels will be phased out in favor of petrols.........maybe Nissan are forward planning.
Possibly, but I can't see it happening due to our armed forces.
Post by: cruiser 91 on January 14, 2016, 09:32:37 AM
Now owning the patrol y62. 5.6 petrol V8. I wont be going back to a diesel. Yep heavier on fuel. Do i care? Nope. (Was $25g cheaper then a 200 vx).
Goes like a cut cat. ( toy 200 good luck keeping up) Tows like nothings even hooked up. Then out 4wd, man its comfy, and plenty capable.
Yes I'm bias cause i own 1.
Funny you say that, I met a diesel mechanic on our last trip a few weeks ago. He owns a v8 Petrol Nissan Patrol as well and said the same things you are saying.
He clearly stated he wouldnt own a diesel due to 2 reasons
1. low quality diesel fuel in Aus
2. Cost is ridiculous
Post by: hempo on January 14, 2016, 10:02:05 AM
Not sure I would add long range tank, I expect with similar coin you could add a rear bar with wheel carrier and twin jerry holder.
The margin between Petrol and Diesel at the bowser fluctuates and often balance out however the luxury and the power would be pretty awesome to have with the V8. When I bought my GU 2 years ago there was still around $30k difference between the Y61 and Y62 so went with the GU.
The Y62 will be a big possibility for my next vehicle, if they are still around, and the prices continue to drop.
Agree also with the crap with EGR, DPF etc on many diesels maybe petrol is the way forward. Dunno.
Post by: gronk on January 14, 2016, 11:17:45 AM
He clearly stated he wouldnt own a diesel due to 2 reasons
1. low quality diesel fuel in Aus
2. Cost is ridiculous
Mmm.....1. quality seems to be as good as elsewhere in the world now. 10 ppm of sulphur for us and the same for most of europe !
2. I don't buy new 4wds, so that doesn't apply to me.
Post by: jw2170 on January 14, 2016, 11:40:45 AM
Well Toyota may help Nissan.
At the Toyota stealership the other day was talk of Toyota dropping the 70 series and importing the Tundra.
I had seen a report, last year, that Toyota, will make the Tundra in right hand drive, if they get an order for 30,000.......
Post by: gronk on January 14, 2016, 01:07:12 PM
I had seen a report, last year, that Toyota, will make the Tundra in right hand drive, if they get an order for 30,000.......
Won't be from Australia then !! Hilux sold 35,000 in 2015, so a big ask to even consider a Tundra.
Post by: stabicraft on January 14, 2016, 01:39:51 PM
In the UK and other countries where govco isnt as corrupt, diesel accounts for more than 50% of the vehicle.
Better fuel economy, less pollution, and has a longer life.
But govco and their corporate masters know they get more bang for their buck with petrol guzzling cars, more tax and a shorter life.
Ill not be buying a petrol powered vehicle again.
If there are any diesel left after govco panders to their multinational masters again.
Post by: gronk on January 14, 2016, 02:28:01 PM
In the UK and other countries where govco isnt as corrupt, diesel accounts for more than 50% of the vehicle.
Better fuel economy, less pollution, and has a longer life.
I don't subscribe to corrupt governments stuff, but in europe, the cost of fuel has always been high ( diesel as well ) and they drive around in small non turbo diesels because of fuel economy.
Post by: Pog on January 14, 2016, 03:26:51 PM
its a government plan put on them by the fuel manufacturers............
govco isnt as corrupt, ...........
But govco and their corporate masters ............
If there are any diesel left after govco ...................
Excuse me while I go and get my Tin Foil Hat ;D
Post by: jw2170 on January 15, 2016, 02:24:18 PM
Won't be from Australia then !! Hilux sold 35,000 in 2015, so a big ask to even consider a Tundra.
Exactly.....
Post by: callmejoe on January 15, 2016, 02:36:00 PM
its a government plan put on them by the fuel manufacturers.
In the UK and other countries where govco isnt as corrupt, diesel accounts for more than 50% of the vehicle.
Better fuel economy, less pollution, and has a longer life.
But govco and their corporate masters know they get more bang for their buck with petrol guzzling cars, more tax and a shorter life.
Ill not be buying a petrol powered vehicle again.
If there are any diesel left after govco panders to their multinational masters again.
Well if this is all so true..... why aren't they importing the tundra?
Far as i can see it only comes out in a V8 pertrol version...
(I could be slightly wrong, but i haven't found current model with a diesel)
Post by: prodigyrf on January 16, 2016, 02:01:16 PM
http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/fuels-and-environment/diesel-particulate-filters.html (http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/fuels-and-environment/diesel-particulate-filters.html)
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/90816/euro-6-emissions-standards-what-do-they-mean-for-you (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-news/90816/euro-6-emissions-standards-what-do-they-mean-for-you)
as if VW's sleight of hand wasn't the clear warning that manufacturer's are struggling to meet existing emission's standards
Australia doesn't rate in the big scheme of things and we'll just rubber stamp what the EU and California mandate and that's where the sales are.
Post by: prodigyrf on January 16, 2016, 02:55:45 PM
http://www.fullyloaded.com.au/industry-news/1508/caution-on-mixing-up-diesel-and-adblue/ (http://www.fullyloaded.com.au/industry-news/1508/caution-on-mixing-up-diesel-and-adblue/)
I get the impression Nissan have tossed it all in the too hard basket for good reason.
Post by: AdrianLR on January 17, 2016, 08:40:26 PM
Love this car!!
Post by: scrapsD40 on January 17, 2016, 08:46:40 PM
Just back last night from our annual East Gippsland trip towing the Kavango (1.8T) with the Y62 (4 up with a boot full of stuff). The ease of the trip compared with the GU 3L with chip was astonishing. Cruise control at the speed limit up and down hills because I could (the GU either wouldn't do 110 up long stretches or in hills be so strained I felt sorry for it and slowed down), overtaking whenever required and the kids not complaining about being in the back seat once! Total trip 1582km with just over half towing. The rest was fast runs to shops and 200km of slow off road. The GU averaged 18.5 to 19 L/100km on similar trips. The Y62 - 16.95. Worst was the Melbourne - Bairnsdale freeway into a headwind (but still at the 100/110 speed limit) at 18.2; towing with hills (100km), fast runs plus off road 16.5; return towing 16.93. The tank is 140L so range is at least 769km based on the 18.2. All distances are GPS.noice, gotta love your Nissan
Love this car!!
Post by: heath74 on January 17, 2016, 09:06:16 PM
Just back last night from our annual East Gippsland trip towing the Kavango (1.8T) with the Y62 (4 up with a boot full of stuff). The ease of the trip compared with the GU 3L with chip was astonishing. Cruise control at the speed limit up and down hills because I could (the GU either wouldn't do 110 up long stretches or in hills be so strained I felt sorry for it and slowed down), overtaking whenever required and the kids not complaining about being in the back seat once! Total trip 1582km with just over half towing. The rest was fast runs to shops and 200km of slow off road. The GU averaged 18.5 to 19 L/100km on similar trips. The Y62 - 16.95. Worst was the Melbourne - Bairnsdale freeway into a headwind (but still at the 100/110 speed limit) at 18.2; towing with hills (100km), fast runs plus off road 16.5; return towing 16.93. The tank is 140L so range is at least 769km based on the 18.2. All distances are GPS.
Pretty similar to what I'm finding with my 62.
Love this car!!
Post by: hempo on January 18, 2016, 09:41:44 AM
Post by: Bird on January 18, 2016, 09:43:56 AM
Standard trim.... Hmmm...
No doubt in USA there'd be kits to allow 300-350rwkw and more NM for towing and still economical...
Post by: gronk on January 18, 2016, 10:52:25 AM
I'm so jealous. A few more years until I can consider getting one unless I want a divorce
Divorce is not such a bad thing !!! ;D ;D
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on January 18, 2016, 10:58:49 AM
I don't care, I'd still love a 5.0-litre turbo diesel V8 producing around 230kW and 750Nm in standard trim
Standard trim.... Hmmm...
No doubt in USA there'd be kits to allow 300-350rwkw and more NM for towing and still economical...
That's because you've never driven a twin turbo V8 petrol :P
Post by: Bird on January 18, 2016, 02:54:42 PM
Quote from: gronk
Divorce is not such a bad thing !!! ;D ;Dthink of it like buying a new car... trade it in on a newer low klms model without any hail damage
Post by: GeoffA on January 18, 2016, 03:18:47 PM
think of it like buying a new car... trade it in on a newer low klms model without any hail damage
....but with their own on board computers, and lovely things like DPF and EGR......
Post by: Bird on January 18, 2016, 03:29:29 PM
....but with their own on board computers, and lovely things like DPF and EGR......shame they don't all have downhill decent control
Post by: GeoffA on January 18, 2016, 03:30:52 PM
shame they don't all have downhill decent control
ESC could be nice.....
Post by: Bird on January 18, 2016, 03:46:49 PM
ESC could be nice.....Mute button?
Post by: hempo on January 19, 2016, 02:50:43 PM
Post by: Bird on April 26, 2016, 02:13:40 PM
Quote
The demise of the Patrol cab chassis and wagon models was inevitable. The diesel-powered variants of the decade-old four-wheel drive were kept on following Nissan's global decision to only offer the current generation Patrol, which went on sale in 2013, with a V8 petrol engine.
Read more: http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/nissan-cuts-range-20160422-gocqe6.html (http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/nissan-cuts-range-20160422-gocqe6.html)
Post by: chester ver2.0 on April 26, 2016, 03:08:41 PM
Post by: D4D on April 26, 2016, 03:17:16 PM
The way the modern diesel engine is going with EPA stuff and the trend for smaller capasity. I am seriously thinking that my next 4wd will be back to petrol power
x2
Post by: chester ver2.0 on April 26, 2016, 03:24:53 PM
x2
I hear ya mate im thinking about going back to a prado for work and some play and currently V6 is winning out for me
Post by: D4D on April 26, 2016, 03:47:31 PM
I hear ya mate im thinking about going back to a prado for work and some play and currently V6 is winning out for me
Plenty of killerwasps and perfect as a daily driver. The fuel economy would go through the roof towing the Goldy, but how often are you going to do that now.
Post by: AdrianLR on April 26, 2016, 04:07:42 PM
Plenty of killerwasps and perfect as a daily driver. The fuel economy would go through the roof towing the Goldy, but how often are you going to do that now.My economy towing the 1.8T camper improved by about 1.5L/100km with the V8 petrol compared with the 3L CRD over the same roads and the safety and enjoyment went up enormously.
Post by: heath74 on April 26, 2016, 07:52:59 PM
The way the modern diesel engine is going with EPA stuff and the trend for smaller capasity. I am seriously thinking that my next 4wd will be back to petrol power
Best move I ever made. In traffic I'm 3-4 litres per hundred worse than the Prado, open road towing the van 2 litres worse, and open road unloaded, no difference.
And the patrol would be 1 tonne heavier, and has a bucket load more power. Given what I've spent on catch cans, injectors, EGR cleaning and blocking, and exhausts, a little bit of fuel is cheap.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 26, 2016, 10:08:57 PM
And the patrol would be 1 tonne heavier, and has a bucket load more power. Given what I've spent on catch cans, injectors, EGR cleaning and blocking, and exhausts, a little bit of fuel is cheap.You mean to tell me you didn't want to add to all that immersive environmental experience, the Green outer glow of adblue and a vac bag stuck up the exhaust? What are real men coming to nowadays I ask myself.
Post by: prodigyrf on April 27, 2016, 12:30:48 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/nissan-drops-micra-pulsar-hatchback-and-y61-patrol%e2%80%a6/ar-BBs815B?ocid=spartandhp (http://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/nissan-drops-micra-pulsar-hatchback-and-y61-patrol%e2%80%a6/ar-BBs815B?ocid=spartandhp)
Post by: Bird on April 27, 2016, 08:40:27 AM
Quote from: prodigyrf
No petrol Patrol either-
na they are keeping the Y62 Petrol, but getting rid of the grenade
Post by: prodigyrf on April 27, 2016, 04:44:32 PM
na they are keeping the Y62 Petrol, but getting rid of the grenade
Dunno much about the Toorak Tractors except to note the V8 has come along a bit since its inception-
http://www.carophilia.com/the-worst-cars-of-all-time/3/ (http://www.carophilia.com/the-worst-cars-of-all-time/3/)
You just can't help yourself from clicking on those damn topics for a laugh
Post by: prodigyrf on May 03, 2016, 01:22:10 PM
http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/nissan-micra-pulsar-hatch-and-y61-diesel-patrol-to-be-discontinued-in-australia-40889?utm_source=cg&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=theguide (http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/nissan-micra-pulsar-hatch-and-y61-diesel-patrol-to-be-discontinued-in-australia-40889?utm_source=cg&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=theguide)
and it's not going to get any easier with Euro6 standards
Post by: mrdenn1s on May 03, 2016, 02:59:54 PM
Post by: Bird on May 09, 2019, 07:41:20 PM
once again - talk of a V6
Post by: AdrianLR on May 09, 2019, 08:18:35 PM
once again - talk of a V6
There already is a V6 as the entry model in the Middle East.
Post by: Kangaron on May 10, 2019, 12:07:34 AM
Post by: Bird on May 11, 2019, 04:44:27 PM
Listening to a segment on talkback today and it was suggested that the 300 series LC will be a V6.https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota-landcruiser-300-series-at-least-two-years-away-121345.html (https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota-landcruiser-300-series-at-least-two-years-away-121345.html)
Post by: GeoffA on May 11, 2019, 04:48:11 PM
https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota-landcruiser-300-series-at-least-two-years-away-121345.html (https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota-landcruiser-300-series-at-least-two-years-away-121345.html)
MUCH longer than that for me..... ;D ;D
Post by: Bad Scott on May 11, 2019, 07:16:46 PM
MUCH longer than that for me..... ;D ;DDo a raffle and see what happens ;D
Post by: GeoffA on May 11, 2019, 07:32:55 PM
Do a raffle and see what happens ;D
:cup: :cup:
Post by: Bird on September 04, 2019, 02:29:25 PM
still same engine, and getting softer.
Post by: vern on September 04, 2019, 09:10:14 PM
https://www.drive.com.au/news/2020-nissan-patrol-leaked-122339.html (https://www.drive.com.au/news/2020-nissan-patrol-leaked-122339.html)How's it getting softer? Because they changed the grill, headlights and tail lights?
still same engine, and getting softer.
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Post by: loanrangie on September 05, 2019, 01:46:19 PM
Post by: doc evil on September 05, 2019, 02:01:58 PM
How's it getting softer? Because they changed the grill, headlights and tail lights?
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by the looks of it, that front will get stuck on a kerb in a parking bay at woolies. As a patrol owner, it's not something I wanna see :-[ :'(
Post by: JusyApples on September 05, 2019, 02:08:11 PM
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Post by: Pottsy on September 05, 2019, 03:45:51 PM
Post by: Pete79 on September 05, 2019, 03:59:13 PM
Now, here is one ugly upgrade, the new hi ace van.Nah, it's still a Nissan all the way.......
(https://www.bestpeoplemovers.com.au/media/3429/our-vehicles.jpg)
Post by: Bird on September 05, 2019, 07:11:13 PM
(http://gavinturk.com/filemaker_images/7049_xlarge.jpg)
Post by: boobook on September 05, 2019, 08:05:53 PM
(https://cdn-ds.com/stock/2017-Infiniti-QX80-2WD-NAVIGATION-ENTERTAINMENT-SYSTEM-SUNROOF-360-DEGREE-CAMERA-HEATED-FRONT-AND-REAR-SEATS-Plano-TX/seo/FEX1308-JN8AZ2NF1H9646095/sz_52184/w_640/h_480/8f037d19cffc3723dbeb494831d76475.jpg)
Post by: Fizzie on September 06, 2019, 09:32:36 AM
Nothing can beat the QX80 infinity version of the Patrol. Not even its mother could love that.
(https://cdn-ds.com/stock/2017-Infiniti-QX80-2WD-NAVIGATION-ENTERTAINMENT-SYSTEM-SUNROOF-360-DEGREE-CAMERA-HEATED-FRONT-AND-REAR-SEATS-Plano-TX/seo/FEX1308-JN8AZ2NF1H9646095/sz_52184/w_640/h_480/8f037d19cffc3723dbeb494831d76475.jpg)
Love the sign in the background - AM Auto Merchants.
So, instead of Fly By Night Industries, these one's disappear during the morning ??? >:D