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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2014, 10:05:51 AM »
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #26 on: July 31, 2014, 12:35:45 PM »
Quote from: achjimmy on July 31, 2014, 08:51:08 AM
The main market for the new Patrol is the Saudis , they only want Petrol. And petrol sells well enough in the US to give them some leverage there.  As the yanks come around more to diesel in SUV there is more likelihood Nissan will do something. But it will be balanced against cost v budgeted numbers, and maybe saved for another model and the yanks really ain't into small diesels (>5L) in big SUVs. Nissan global today is effectively managed and focused by Renault and the French management. They won't have the same interest in AU market like other Japanese manuafatures.

There you have it, pretty bloody good explanation id say....
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2014, 08:33:31 PM »
Do the full operating sums and the actual fuel choice over the life of the vehicle is negligible. 

People are obsessed with diesel.  Prados are a perfect example.  The petrol makes more sense if you do the sums yet diesel is preferred. 

Over 100,000 ks your fuel use is around;

Diesel $13135
Petrol $16000

Factor in the higher maintenance costs and it's not worth bothering with. 

But hey, marketing works.
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2014, 08:44:46 PM »
Quote from: dazzler on August 03, 2014, 08:33:31 PM
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Factor in the higher maintenance costs and it's not worth bothering with. 
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In $$ terms, yes, but range should also be considered for a tourer.
Petrols appear to be getting better at this, though...
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2014, 08:52:30 PM »
Factor in the resale and the diesel wins hands down on costs I would think.

Just look at patrols and cruisers on the second hand market that are ten years old.

But I agree, while I own diesels, I think now days there is a strong argument for owning a petrol.




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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2014, 09:37:41 PM »
Yep, the diesels hold their value better.  Much better.

Smart buyers use that to their advantage on the second hand market.  Not much use new of course.   :D

The new FJ Cruisers opened my TD eyes.  Many returning 11lphk average which is amazing considering the power output.

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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #31 on: August 04, 2014, 10:11:45 AM »
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ohhh Bird has man'ly issues hey, viagra not working any more ??
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2014, 11:39:38 AM »
If I'm driving around oz I would only be taking diesel with me. Who wants 120lt tank + 3 jerry cans of petrol onboard? BOOM.

Also I think it will be a long time before a farmer will fill his shed with 45 gallon drums of petrol. Diesel is 1000 times more safer than petrol.
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2014, 05:52:25 PM »
Quote from: Bullant4x4 on August 04, 2014, 11:39:38 AM
If I'm driving around oz I would only be taking diesel with me. Who wants 120lt tank + 3 jerry cans of petrol onboard? BOOM.

Also I think it will be a long time before a farmer will fill his shed with 45 gallon drums of petrol. Diesel is 1000 times more safer than petrol.

Yep.  Sick to death of the news headlines every night about petrol blowing up all over OZ.  Its a tragedy I tell you.   :D
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2014, 05:53:26 PM »

Quote from: dazzler on August 04, 2014, 05:52:25 PM
Yep.  Sick to death of the news headlines every night about petrol blowing up all over OZ.  Its a tragedy I tell you.   :D
You know what I was meaning without 2900 lines to explain it :)
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2014, 06:10:26 PM »
Only 2899 left.  I did one for you  :angel:
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #36 on: August 04, 2014, 06:50:27 PM »
I think it's been said before we also buy diesels for the torque both with and without towing.  Before buying the diesel Pajero I test drove a petrol and it was peaky and not suited to vehicle IMO.
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #37 on: August 04, 2014, 07:59:00 PM »
Well Toyota may help Nissan.

At the Toyota stealership  the other day was talk of Toyota dropping the 70 series and importing the Tundra.
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #38 on: August 04, 2014, 08:14:23 PM »
Yes. American matket very different to ours. Given fuel is round a dollar a litre they have the luxury of CCs. Put a big enough petrol engine in a truck and you will get enough torque.
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #39 on: August 04, 2014, 08:27:03 PM »
Gezzzz put your foot down in a petrol watch the fuel gauge go down , do that in a diesel & its POWER You can SEE  :cheers: ( A Wise Old Sage told me this , though l don't think he cold see me . Lots of Black Smoke )  :cheers:
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #40 on: August 04, 2014, 08:32:02 PM »
Quote from: achjimmy on August 04, 2014, 06:50:27 PM
I think it's been said before we also buy diesels for the torque both with and without towing.  Before buying the diesel Pajero I test drove a petrol and it was peaky and not suited to vehicle IMO.




Sums up my experience as well :cup:

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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #41 on: August 04, 2014, 08:39:22 PM »
Buy a petrol for a drag race , buy a diesel for dragging a CT . But buy a Pajero for its a Pajero    :cup:
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2014, 08:49:43 PM »
Quote from: speewa158 on August 04, 2014, 08:27:03 PM
Gezzzz put your foot down in a petrol watch the fuel gauge go down , do that in a diesel & its POWER You can SEE  :cheers: ( A Wise Old Sage told me this , though l don't think he cold see me . Lots of Black Smoke )  :cheers:

Nah, not the smoke visible power. You were just too far behind...... :P :P
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #43 on: August 04, 2014, 09:03:11 PM »
Time to make an electric version, put solar panels on the roof and off you go! Just don't be standing in the water when someone drives it in!  ;D
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #44 on: August 04, 2014, 11:22:57 PM »
Petrols may be getting close to the great fuel economy of a turbo diesel, but only when coasting. Put your foot down or start towing and watch the fuel economy of the petrol suffer hugely compared to a diesel under the same circumstances. That IS a big factor when talking economy.
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2015, 07:55:07 AM »
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #46 on: April 10, 2015, 09:23:34 AM »
Quote from: GGV8Cruza on April 10, 2015, 07:55:07 AM
Late news, there may be a diesel on the way, probably not though

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/cummins-pursuing-diesel-power-for-nissan-patrol-20150113-12mstl.html

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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2015, 10:04:43 AM »
I'm in the USA right now....arrived 3weeks ago.......re the Nissan, the Saudis must be buying most of them cause they are fairly thin on the ground over here ( they only have the Infinity, but same thing )..and that's looking thru 7 states.

Petrol is approx $2.20 a gallon, so at approx 3.8 ltrs per gallon, it seems to be around 60 cents a litre....plus you would need to convert the dollar at 0.78 cents ???

But you see heaps of Japanese and European cars here now...if it wasn' t for their pickups, I think their motor industry would be looking sad as well ??

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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2015, 11:30:22 AM »
Quote from: Bullant4x4 on August 04, 2014, 11:39:38 AM
If I'm driving around oz I would only be taking diesel with me. Who wants 120lt tank + 3 jerry cans of petrol onboard? BOOM.

Also I think it will be a long time before a farmer will fill his shed with 45 gallon drums of petrol. Diesel is 1000 times more safer than petrol.

Wake up to yourself with 140 litres on board there are only 2 tracks in OZ that a petrol prado may have to take extra fuel on being the Simpson and Canning and you may do those trips once in a lifetime if you are lucky
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2015, 12:12:01 PM »
Quote from: chester ver2.0 on April 10, 2015, 11:30:22 AM
Wake up to yourself with 140 litres on board there are only 2 tracks in OZ that a petrol prado may have to take extra fuel on being the Simpson and Canning and you may do those trips once in a lifetime if you are lucky

Yeah, but who wants a petrol Prado??....... :P ;D ;D
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