Bird...
your call...
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/driver-disqualified-until-2086-caught-behind-the-wheel-again-20171219-h07nk1.html (http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/driver-disqualified-until-2086-caught-behind-the-wheel-again-20171219-h07nk1.html)
Here we go.
"Legal Aid lawyer Tim McKenzie told Magistrate Susan McGowan he would seek to have a psychiatrist prepare a report ahead of Blackley's sentencing."
Our legal system sucks.
Jail the pr*ck till 2086 with no parole.
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your call...
****wit (http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/driver-disqualified-until-2086-caught-behind-the-wheel-again-20171219-h07nk1.html)
Execution
Quote from: corndog on December 20, 2017, 09:14:08 AM
Here we go.
"Legal Aid lawyer Tim McKenzie told Magistrate Susan McGowan he would seek to have a psychiatrist prepare a report ahead of Blackley's sentencing."
Our legal system sucks.
Jail the pr*ck till 2086 with no parole.
Yeah, he's clearly got mental health issues, although I'm surprised it's not alleged
Crush every vehicle they catch him driving, and he'll stop sooner or later...
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cat-o-nine tails :cup:
Quote from: DrewXT on December 20, 2017, 09:49:45 AM
Yeah, he's clearly got mental health issues, although I'm surprised it's not alleged
Crush every vehicle they catch him driving, and he'll stop sooner or later...
No.. no he wont. bloke back home was like this dude - and like this bloke couldn't give a Shit.. what does he have to lose??
License - no
Car - no
Jail - been there for it already numerous times
Get pissed every night - yes.
Quote from: Bird on December 20, 2017, 09:55:02 AM
No.. no he wont. bloke back home was like this dude - and like this bloke couldn't give a Shit.. what does he have to lose??
License - no
Car - no
Jail - been there for it already numerous times
Get pissed every night - yes.
Maybe leave him in the car while it's being crushed?
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Quote from: DrewXTMaybe leave him in the car while it's being crushed?
No complaints from me on that one... no loss to society.
Quote from: Bird on December 20, 2017, 11:48:57 AM
No complaints from me on that one... no loss to society.
Lets sit his lawyer in the passenger seat with him.
Always amazes me when the cops pull someone over and find a suspended\cancelled license that they think giving them a fine and having them go to court will change their behaviour. They obviously have no consideration of the law in the first place, the fines will be on a payment plan with state debt recovery (or your state's equivalent) so they will have to pay them off at bugger all of nothing a week.
The only way to stop these morons from driving is to lock them up at our expense.
We need more prisons. OOPS sorry ment 5 star hotels. Instead lets build so 1/2 star hotels, lock the bast**ds in them for a while and maybe they might get it in their head that we have had enough of their crap.
Quote from: corndog on December 20, 2017, 12:20:33 PM
We need more prisons. OOPS sorry ment 5 star hotels. Instead lets build so 1/2 star hotels, lock the bast**ds in them for a while and maybe they might get it in their head that we have had enough of their crap.
But the bleeding hearts will cry that they have rights.........and it's society's fault or their mother didn't breastfeed them, or the system failed them, or any other excuse.
Find the damn lefty bleeding hearts, and send them over to their place to live for a while. Let them take care of them, feed them and give them their "rights".
Quote from: Bunyip on December 20, 2017, 12:13:00 PM
Always amazes me when the cops pull someone over and find a suspended\cancelled license that they think giving them a fine and having them go to court will change their behaviour.
Please don't blame the police for doing their job enforcing the laws that our Parliament decide on. They are just doing their job. I not sure what you would expect them to otherwise do without committing a crime themselves.
Quote from: rags on December 20, 2017, 03:54:13 PM
Please don't blame the police for doing their job enforcing the laws that our Parliament decide on. They are just doing their job. I not sure what you would expect them to otherwise do without committing a crime themselves.
I don't blame the cops for what goes on. It's the overpaid dicks with the fancy wigs that are the ones that fail the system.
Interesting progression on this thread
We live in a country that was a penal colony for people who committed minor offences. Was this an effective deterrent? They kept coming until we stopped taking them.
As for 5 star accommodation, please don't invite me to your Hotel
Having said that I don't know what you do with unreasonable people who wont change their behaviour. I guess we end up paying for them to be incarcerated in prisons that COST more than 5 star hotels
Quote from: briann532 on December 20, 2017, 02:06:22 PM
But the bleeding hearts will cry that they have rights.........and it's society's fault or their mother didn't breastfeed them, or the system failed them, or any other excuse.
Find the damn lefty bleeding hearts, and send them over to their place to live for a while. Let them take care of them, feed them and give them their "rights".
That's the problem with our judicial system most of the magistrates etc come out of the legal aid system and they generally are bleeding hearts, good solicitors / barristers make much better coin defending / representing their clients then the muppets handing out the rulings it's a system bound to fail I reckon mandatory sentencing and a three strikes policy like hey have in the us would change a lot here in Australia.
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Quote from: lukeycat on December 20, 2017, 07:30:54 PM
I reckon mandatory sentencing and a three strikes policy like hey have in the us would change a lot here in Australia.
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That's worked so well for them that they have the highest rate of incarceration (almost twice the next China) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm)
Why anyone would use the USA as an example to follow is beyond me. I prefer to copy someone who is fairer and a fair go is the main rule.
Quote from: Alan Loy on December 20, 2017, 07:29:30 PM
Having said that I don't know what you do with unreasonable people who wont change their behaviour.
I know!
We can hide in the bushes and take photos of them, then send them a letter with the photo and a small fine.
Guaranteed to change their behavior..... :) :) :)
Apparently there's plenty of studies out there that prove this technique works a treat... ;D ;) :)
Quote from: briann532 on December 20, 2017, 02:06:22 PM
But the bleeding hearts will cry that they have rights.........and it's society's fault or their mother didn't breastfeed them, or the system failed them, or any other excuse.
Find the damn lefty bleeding hearts, and send them over to their place to live for a while. Let them take care of them, feed them and give them their "rights".
God I laughed when I read this... Exactly how the leftards should have their ideologies backfire...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5144499/Lily-Allen-moans-flat.html
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Hmmmm.
Quote from: Bunyip on December 20, 2017, 12:13:00 PM
Always amazes me when the cops pull someone over and find a suspended\cancelled license that they think giving them a fine and having them go to court will change their behaviour. They obviously have no consideration of the law in the first place, the fines will be on a payment plan with state debt recovery (or your state's equivalent) so they will have to pay them off at bugger all of nothing a week.
The only way to stop these morons from driving is to lock them up at our expense.
Suspended/cancelled/disqualified are all chargeable offences. Police cannot fine them for these. It goes to court for the magistrate to let them off lightly because they had a hard upbringing.
For someone disqualified that long in NSW they will shortly be able to get their licences back quicker with a change of legislation
Quote from: rags on December 20, 2017, 03:54:13 PM
Please don't blame the police for doing their job enforcing the laws that our Parliament decide on. They are just doing their job. I not sure what you would expect them to otherwise do without committing a crime themselves.
My apologies, having re-read my post I realise how it came across.
This was in
NO way meant as a stab at the Police, they can only do as much as they can do and the overwhelming majority do a fantastic job with what I imagine is a lack of resources. Not their fault the idiots are aloud back out on the road.
The court system is also constrained by resources so whilst I personally feel they could do more, they almost certainly need more to do more. Pretty hard when you have a docket list as long as your arm and are pressured to get through all of them.
Quote from: Alan Loy on December 20, 2017, 07:38:59 PM
That's worked so well for them that they have the highest rate of incarceration (almost twice the next China) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm)
Why anyone would use the USA as an example to follow is beyond me. I prefer to copy someone who is fairer and a fair go is the main rule.
When it comes to scum like this bloke..who is interested in Fair? I,m not. Oxygen thieves need swimming lessons. Starting with a drop off 200klms out to sea. If they swim home , maybe then we will give him a fair go. Eye for an eye...thats fair.
Quote from: Alan LoyThat's worked so well for them that they have the highest rate of incarceration (almost twice the next China) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm)
Why anyone would use the USA as an example to follow is beyond me. I prefer to copy someone who is fairer and a fair go is the main rule.
Well the current system is as effective as the US one isn't it? Something has to change - correct?
I also agree with fish - **** fair. the current crop of scum don't understand "fair"... And most of the crims in Melbourne at moment come from countries that don't have fair - they have 1 strike and your dead.
How many chances do people need to be "fair" ??? ???
How can "I had a bad childhood" be a defense in every crime - did nobody in this country have a good childhood??
That means because I have had a good childhood and have respect I will have the book thrown at me. I was brought up the wrong way.
Quote from: corndog on December 21, 2017, 11:21:37 AM
That means because I have had a good childhood and have respect I will have the book thrown at me. I was brought up the wrong way.
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
All youse blokes are in the wrong perfeshuns..... Youse should all be Judges and magistrates.
Quote from: Troopy_03Youse should all be Judges and magistrates.
Id love the chance... even if it was just for 6 mths Shit would change ;D
Would I have to wear the wig?
Quote from: corndog on December 21, 2017, 01:57:39 PM
Would I have to wear the wig?
Yes.
But don't worry, it will match your favorite suit.... ;D
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Quote from: Troopy_03 on December 21, 2017, 12:18:07 PM
All youse blokes are in the wrong perfeshuns..... Youse should all be Judges and magistrates.
Stuff that....I want the executioners job...
From the sounds of it I'm getting the impression we have had just about enough.
Just read the newspaper report. How the bloody hell can you have a time of 12 a.m?
Are these journos really tertiary educated?
Quote from: Alan Loy on December 20, 2017, 07:38:59 PM
That's worked so well for them that they have the highest rate of incarceration (almost twice the next China) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm)
Why anyone would use the USA as an example to follow is beyond me. I prefer to copy someone who is fairer and a fair go is the main rule.
Ok so who is fairer when it comes to how we manage crime as we clearly haven't got it right here, the word fair and fair go when it comes to crooks, creeps and cons shouldn't even be put into the same sentence.
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Having said that I don't know what you do with unreasonable people who wont change their behaviour.
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Fixed the problem .. Never heard of any asking for another 500 lashes because they liked the last 500 so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dLq-YNo-6c&vl=en (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dLq-YNo-6c&vl=en) ;D
Gee I'm a good looking fella. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Steffo1 on December 21, 2017, 04:43:30 PM
Just read the newspaper report. How the bloody hell can you have a time of 12 a.m?
Are these journos really tertiary educated?
Yep, 1200MN. 0000 hrs. 12.00am. Midnight, all the same thing.
The other one is...1200MD. 1200 hrs. 12.00pm. Midday.
People think they're all the same, but they are all different in their own way.
Quote from: edz on December 21, 2017, 06:45:27 PM
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Fixed the problem .. Never heard of any asking for another 500 lashes because they liked the last 500 so much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dLq-YNo-6c&vl=en (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dLq-YNo-6c&vl=en) ;D
And there in lies the solution. Outsource the punishment to Singapore, be much cheaper than locking them up; the bleeding hearts brigade can join them as well.
A saltwater bath, on the way out, followd by a citrus balm, to sooth the pain wouldn't go amiss either.
Where is his incentive to not drive?
Okay I'll walk for the next 70 years then can I get my licence!
I'm not saying give him a licence but at least some light at the end of the tunnel.
Quote from: #jonesy on December 22, 2017, 07:01:06 AM
Where is his incentive to not drive?
Okay I'll walk for the next 70 years then can I get my licence!
I'm not saying give him a licence but at least some light at the end of the tunnel.
i get what your saying, but they had that "light at the end if the tunnel" option the first couple of times they would have fronted a judge, clearly that didn't mean squat to them. Incarcerate them and get them off the roads for the sake of those doing the right thing is the only punishment now, it might not change their attitude, but I guarantee they won't be driving
Quote from: #JonesyOkay I'll walk for the next 70 years then can I get my licence!
I'm not saying give him a licence but at least some light at the end of the tunnel.
Like rummy I hear what your saying - but what give him a 20th chance?
At some point there has to be a **** you pal.... maybe instead of a months jail, give him 5 years.
What makes you think that this is the only thing that this guy has no respect for. I am sure this is not the only thing he does that's not right. How many times has he got away with them as well.
Quote from: corndog on December 21, 2017, 04:40:48 PM
From the sounds of it I'm getting the impression we have had just about enough.
So if everyone got up and sent a letter to their local mp and state delegates, they make have to actually "earn" our vote next time.
Quote from: Bird on December 21, 2017, 11:29:57 AM
:cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
Or when you belong to a particular retired group or are currently employed as a Policeman.
And you make one small mistake.
"You know better, nothing but the Maximum penalty will suffice.
Quote from: lukeycat on December 21, 2017, 06:23:25 PM
Ok so who is fairer when it comes to how we manage crime as we clearly haven't got it right here, the word fair and fair go when it comes to crooks, creeps and cons shouldn't even be put into the same sentence.
So you suggest that the way the legal system should approach people is to be UNFAIR?
I don't think we need to follow anyone else, we are capable of making our own decisions BUT if you want to follow someone else why follow the least successful country. Unless you think that the more people in prison the better.
Personally I think that the less crime the better.
Crime has risen from 6067 to 6352 per 100,000 over the last 10 years. This is 4.7% increase over 10 years. Not the right direction but hardly an emergency. Consider that there is better reporting (a good thing) that increases this number.
https://www.crimestatistics.vic.gov.au/crime-statistics/latest-crime-data/recorded-criminal-incidents (https://www.crimestatistics.vic.gov.au/crime-statistics/latest-crime-data/recorded-criminal-incidents)
Quote from: Bird on December 22, 2017, 07:38:42 AM
At some point there has to be a **** you pal.... maybe instead of a months jail, give him 5 years.
He is in gaol until February and then he fronts court again so 2 months at least including the Christmas period.
"The case will return to court for finalisation on February 6. Blackley remains behind bars, bail refused."
He should be behind bars. Throw away the key. Then weld the lock up. Then forget he is there.
WOW What do you do to someone who has hurt or stolen from someone.
Not a lot of flexibility there.
Maybe we should transport them to .........
Quote from: Alan Loy on December 22, 2017, 07:49:06 PM
WOW What do you do to someone who has hurt or stolen from someone.
Not a lot of flexibility there.
Maybe we should transport them to .........
Obviously you dont live in Melbourne, apart from the do gooders and crims, people down here have had a gut full of our corrupt and incompetent judges.
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Quote from: macca on December 22, 2017, 09:23:44 PM
Obviously you dont live in Melbourne, apart from the do gooders and crims, people down here have had a gut full of our corrupt and incompetent judges.
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Its not only Melbourne mate. Its in most of Australia. People who have been affected by the behaviour of community scumbags are rightly outraged. The bleeding hearts and do-gooders normally advocate leniency and pity for the perpetrators of crime because the do-gooder wasn,t affected...some other poor bugger was!!!
Wonder how any do-gooders would be pleading leniency if their kids where raped, murdered or bashed? What would be the reaction if this scumbag on his umpteenth illegal driving spree crashed through your kids bedroom wall and killed one of your kids? There is so much crime that goes unreported that the official figures cannot be believed...dont forget they have been tampered with by govt departments to try and reflect that the govt is in control..hahaha.
Philippines drug program is working well...bring it here! And on that note.....MERRY XMAS :cheers:
Penalty for Driving whilst Disqualified in New South Wales:
- For a first time offender the maximum penalty that may be imposed is a fine of $3,300 and/or a prison sentence of 18 months. There is also a mandatory licence disqualification period of 12 months given to all first time offenders.
- For a second or subsequent offence the maximum penalty is a fine of $5,500 and/or a prison sentence of 2 years. A mandatory further licence disqualification of 2 years is also imposed.
That means nothing. Since when do the maximum sentence get handed out and followed through on. Maximum, now that is a joke.
That is why the disqualification period far exceeds anything else. Judicial system finds it easier to place the maximum disqualification period as 'punishment' then a fine or gaol time. Does it really achieve anything. No, not really. It may make Magistrates and Judges feel like they have achieved something but that would be about all. There are a lot of similar cases where the system has loaded people with extensive periods of disqualification with little to no affect on stopping that person driving. Highway Patrol types get all excited about the extended lengthy periods. There is alternative penalties the Judaical System can take but alas they are stuck with what they have and so the periods continue with nothing achieved.
Quote from: alnjan on December 29, 2017, 09:14:52 PM
Penalty for Driving whilst Disqualified in New South Wales:
- For a first time offender the maximum penalty that may be imposed is a fine of $3,300 and/or a prison sentence of 18 months. There is also a mandatory licence disqualification period of 12 months given to all first time offenders.
- For a second or subsequent offence the maximum penalty is a fine of $5,500 and/or a prison sentence of 2 years. A mandatory further licence disqualification of 2 years is also imposed.
but none of that works.. as you hear of people going for 7-10 + times. What do they have to lose?
Adding on to an already unobtainable licence is more likely to be counterproductive. He will never get a licence so what incentive is there not to drive? So he does anyway, so it is even easier to disregard all the other rules. If it was possible he could get a licence in a few years he might not. (Yes highly unlikely anyway.) They need to look at the other options.
So, how do we fix the drink/drug driver problem? ???
Can't throw 'em in jail, they're already overcrowded.
The do-gooders would never let it happen anyway.
Shooting them is illegal.
Christ, I just finished watching the latest dash cam Australia clip for Dec 17 and most these days, can't drive sober.... IE haven't got a clue.
The poor excuse of a test for getting licensed won't change anytime soon.
The wife and I were watching TV the other night and they're referring to recreational drugs.
Aren't they just illegal drugs or have I missed something?
Stuffed if I know the answer and i'm afraid we've gone so far down the toilet, we may never make it back to the top again. And that's just plain sad.
I'm syre most of us would have seen this little treasure on last night's news: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-30/p-plater-allegedly-caught-driving-more-than-100km-over-limit/9294814 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-30/p-plater-allegedly-caught-driving-more-than-100km-over-limit/9294814)
105kph over the limit :o, while still on red P's >:(
"the Holden Commodore driver was issued with a high-range speeding fine, which includes a $1,177 fine, the loss of eight demerit points and an automatic six-month licence suspension."
That should have been $11770, vehicle confiscated & 10 year loss of licence! >:D
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Christ, I just finished watching the latest dash cam Australia clip for Dec 17 and most these days, can't drive sober.... IE haven't got a clue.
I think this is the beginning of the problem right here..