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Closed the tip
« on: March 17, 2021, 06:44:05 AM »
https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/indigenous-elders-deny-tourists-access-to-cape-york-tip-over-disrespectful-behaviour/news-story/604fb5a4f41f7f362ca8262331693353

Well that sucks for those wanting to make it to the tip, and once again the good people miss out because of the idiots that ruin stuff for everyone

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Re: Closed the tip
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2021, 07:57:40 AM »
Fake News?


Are they trying to reduce numbers??

Probably more for the WTF tread...……...
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Re: Closed the tip
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2021, 08:01:27 AM »
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There's a big difference between kneeling down
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2021, 08:23:50 AM »
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Are they trying to reduce numbers??
Probably more for the WTF tread...……...

They couldnt afford to permanently close it.
then again, how about another "permit" fee..
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2021, 08:24:13 AM »
They say they will not let you go past the crock tent, no longer go on to the tip it self.
I was going back up to the tip, if I could not actually go to the tip I would not bother going at all.

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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2021, 08:26:00 AM »
From reading the article, it would appear that they have got grounds for complaint about idiots, the same as everywhere :'( >:(

But that nasty, cynical bit of Fizzie >:D just has to pop up with the same question that it keeps asking about all these sort of Sacred places - how did you know, 40000 years ago, that this was the most northern tip of Australia ???

I did also notice though, that one of the complaints is that unregistered firearms are being used.

How do you know that they're unregistered, unless they're being used by a local ???

Or are you walking up to the pig-shooters & asking if their guns are legal ??? Not a great idea! :o ::)
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Re: Closed the tip
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2021, 02:24:33 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2021, 03:33:08 PM »
From the source

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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2021, 03:43:39 PM »
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Re: Closed the tip
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2021, 04:30:48 PM »
Have merged a couple of topics of similar intrests

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« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2021, 04:31:51 PM »
cant read it :(
Sorry, screen shot, couldn't copy the post.

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« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2021, 04:39:51 PM »
From Cape York Awesome Aventures Facebook Group posted by Alina Milne Gilbert

I just spoke to Michael Solomon from Gudang/Yadhaykenu Aboriginal Corporation (the man quoted in all the news articles) on the phone.
He  said that YES the tip & Somerset (I didn't ask about other areas so can't comment on them) are currently 100% closed to tourists until further notice. I asked if he thinks it will be open for the tourist season & he said NO. He said they are working with the government to install toilets at Pinjaka & have the existing toilets at Somerset repaired. They are sick of everyone disrespecting the land & using it as a toilet!
EDIT - For those wondering. Punsand Bay & all other camp grounds will be open. From my understanding the road just north of the Croc Tent (where it forks off to Punsand on the left & the tip on the right is where access will be stopped.
I really hope that Michael (Gudang/Yadhaykenu Aboriginal Corporation) & the council can come to an agreement & the road will be opened but at this stage Michael has advised it is closed.
This is a crude map showing how far north you will be able to travel if this closure remains
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« Reply #13 on: March 17, 2021, 05:42:58 PM »
Thanks PlusNq, thats what my crappy screenshot was of.

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« Reply #14 on: March 17, 2021, 05:59:13 PM »
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Sorry, screen shot, couldn't copy the post.
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« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2021, 06:33:44 PM »
So at this stage I'm not booking & paying for accommodation, maybe next year.
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« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2021, 06:38:45 PM »
Thanks PlusNq, thats what my crappy screenshot was of.

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« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2021, 09:17:24 PM »
So for the last 60,000 years the first nationers have been using a long drop toilet, or maybe a septic??
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« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2021, 09:37:47 PM »
And they wonder why the average Aussie has no respect/empathy for them, F@#k em I wont be going to Ayers Rock or the cape,

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Re: Closed the tip
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2021, 08:08:44 AM »
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So for the last 60,000 years the first nationers have been using a long drop toilet, or maybe a septic??

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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2021, 10:28:48 AM »
A few thoughts,

I doubt there has been anything like the human traffic over the last 60,000 years there as there would have been in recent years with its growth in popularity.

It seems like that it is different from Ayres rock in that it isn't being closed for cultural reasons, it's due to people not taking care of it, similar to lots of other areas with the NPWS.

I haven't seen anyone disputing the claim that it is being trashed, equally, it's not a cemetery, people shouldn't be sticking plaques, spray painting RIP messages, etc on the rockfaces, it may be well-intentioned, but without permission, it's still just graffiti.

They seem to want to reopen it if it gets the facilities to cope with the numbers who are now visiting there, and people learn to respect it, going to a campsite/attraction where the bush is filled with bits of toilet paper is pretty disgusting, if I had to deal with this regularly I wouldn't be happy either.

For some reason, 4WDing and camping seems to attract it's fair share of ferals, I think anger directed towards the Elders would be better off directed towards those that don't take care of places.

From a PR perspective, it could be handled better, they would be better off mapping out what exactly is required by them to reopen it and keep it open, but that is just a side issue.

This was from only a few months ago https://youtu.be/0r70bdZjfGc
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2021, 12:56:05 PM »
From Cape York Awesome Aventures Facebook Group posted by Alina Milne Gilbert

I just spoke to Michael Solomon from Gudang/Yadhaykenu Aboriginal Corporation (the man quoted in all the news articles) on the phone.
He  said that YES the tip & Somerset (I didn't ask about other areas so can't comment on them) are currently 100% closed to tourists until further notice. I asked if he thinks it will be open for the tourist season & he said NO. He said they are working with the government to install toilets at Pinjaka & have the existing toilets at Somerset repaired. They are sick of everyone disrespecting the land & using it as a toilet!

What a joke as my first trip to the Cape 20 years ago highlighted the locals disrespecting there own land just as much as tourists.  The old Ansett resort is a perfect example as they took it over because it was on 'sacred land' but within weeks it was trashed and became one big toilet. I wish I could find my photo but the old joke about a crack a tinnie tribe was so accurate as multiple times we came across areas (including next to the old resort) there the locals sat in a circle and threw there empty beer cans behind them. So after time a ring of hundreds of can about knee high were left behind for someone else to clean up.

We were also warned not to go into Bamaga at night because it was unsafe and even during the day had empty stubbies thrown towards the car.

They don't want tourists, but wonder how the the local economy would go if tourists stopped visiting?

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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2021, 12:59:57 PM »
What a joke as my first trip to the Cape 20 years ago highlighted the locals disrespecting there own land just as much as tourists.  The old Ansett resort is a perfect example as they took it over because it was on 'sacred land' but within weeks it was trashed and became one big toilet. I wish I could find my photo but the old joke about a crack a tinnie tribe was so accurate as multiple times we came across areas (including next to the old resort) there the locals sat in a circle and threw there empty beer cans behind them. So after time a ring of hundreds of can about knee high were left behind for someone else to clean up.

We were also warned not to go into Bamaga at night because it was unsafe and even during the day had empty stubbies thrown towards the car.

They don't want tourists, but wonder how the the local economy would go if tourists stopped visiting?

They don’t need tourism if living off the govt’s coffers.
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2021, 01:34:55 PM »
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. I wish I could find my photo but the old joke about a crack a tinnie tribe was so accurate as multiple times we came across areas (including next to the old resort) there the locals sat in a circle and threw there empty beer cans behind them.

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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2021, 01:41:04 PM »

They don't want tourists.....
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We don't want to shut out the tourists, we make money from them, making artefacts and showcasing our region," Mr Solomon said

From here https://7news.com.au/news/social/cape-york-destinations-shut-to-tourists-c-2363898