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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2020, 11:57:46 AM »
They can also see that Supercars are running up a dead end street. [It's a bit like AFL. Largest code in Au but not really known Internationally.]


And yet Nascar and gridiron or whatever they call that game in the USA are both very popular and I imagine are going no where soon.

I think our premiere category of motorsport in Australia will go no where soon. Sure it will evolve in the future but its not leaving us.

As for AFL, I also do not think that is going away anytime soon...go tiges ;D
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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2020, 02:42:43 PM »

I think our premiere category of motorsport in Australia will go no where soon. Sure it will evolve in the future but its not leaving us.

Ah, that's point I'm trying to make. Supercars will need to evolve to remain relevant. It will evolve, and quite possibly into TCR's, and if not them, then something similar.
If you remember, Supercars evolved from the Group A cars. In my view, they were vastly superior to Supercars, because of their International mix of developing technologies, manufacturers, teams, drivers and types of cars. 
Lets face it, in reality, Group A was dropped because the "Aussie Punters" on the hill couldn't stand to see the likes of Brocky etc in V8s being being beaten by overseas drivers in 2 Litre turbos. [Mums Cars?]
So to protect their fragile egos, the V8s Supercars, only found in Au, with only Holdens and Falcons, were created/evolved to pacify their immature/myopic view of what they thought motor car racing should look like!
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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2020, 03:14:49 PM »


Lets face it, in reality, Group A was dropped because the "Aussie Punters" on the hill couldn't stand to see the likes of Brocky etc in V8s being being beaten by overseas drivers in 2 Litre turbos.

Group A was dropped because everywhere else in the world had already dropped it. I think Japan held on for another year or two.

Costs had spiralled out of control and unless you had a Godzilla, you were an also ran.  Getting a Skyline was closed shop, so no options for other teams.




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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2020, 05:40:39 PM »

Lets face it, in reality, Group A was dropped because the "Aussie Punters" on the hill couldn't stand to see the likes of Brocky etc in V8s being being beaten by overseas drivers in 2 Litre turbos. [Mums Cars?]
So to protect their fragile egos, the V8s Supercars, only found in Au, with only Holdens and Falcons, were created/evolved to pacify their immature/myopic view of what they thought motor car racing should look like!

Firstly, Brocky from my memory, didn't get beat by any 2 ltr turbos ? Also from my memory, the punters on the hill didn't like the "works" teams coming over for Bathurst, when the local teams had bugger all factory backing...Ford had none.

Secondly, instead of that fragile ego rubbish, I suggest you have a read of Bathurst 1000....wikapedia.
It might let you understand how things went all those years ago.
And to this day......a huge majority of fans still want V8's...soon it may/will/possibly be any number of makes....and it will stay that way until this green battery rubbish idea gains enough popularity to take over.......
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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2020, 05:56:07 PM »
Brock drove a Group A BMW and Cosworth Sierra for a few years.

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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #30 on: February 19, 2020, 06:00:47 PM »
The Kelly boys "Road to Mustang" is not a bad watch on YouTube.
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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #31 on: February 19, 2020, 06:26:04 PM »
Brock drove a Group A BMW and Cosworth Sierra for a few years.

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Yep, and still got support from the punters on the hill..
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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #32 on: February 19, 2020, 06:29:06 PM »
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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #33 on: February 19, 2020, 08:18:47 PM »
Firstly, Brocky from my memory, didn't get beat by any 2 ltr turbos ?......

In '87 the Eggenberger Sierra's finished 1 & 2 on the road, with Brock 3rd in the other HDT car (after lunching his own engine).

Brock/McLeod/Parsons were awarded the win after both Eggenberger cars were deemed illegal due to modified front wheel arches.

I remember Larry saying at the time that the HDT cars ran 9's (?) on the front, but he could only get 8's (?) on his.

Go figure....


Johnson/Bowe won in '89 in a Sierra, but Brock was driving one too (DNF).... ;D ;D

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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2020, 09:29:02 PM »
soon it may/will/possibly be any number of makes....and it will stay that way until this green battery rubbish idea gains enough popularity to take over.......

Firstly it's great to be able to have this discussion here, it's probably happening on various other boards as well.
My point is that there will be change and with it will come some anxiety. I think if your a realist, then you can see Supercars in its current and proposed form [Gen 3], changing to be something different. What I suggest, TCR's, is one of the options, because it's already here and supported by many here, including the likes of Garry Rodgers, someone well respected in motor sport, as well as others mentioned in this discussion.
Yes, I can see the "Green Battery Rubbish" becoming the norm, because no matter what it is, people, boats, horses, dogs, cars and anything else you want to add, have been raced.  That's what "automobiles" will become and we'll see them burn rubber up Mt Panorama with a magnificent "whir" [Cue Formula E car accelerating - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiLWVuI4f0A]
As much as many might not like it, due to the fact that we don't manufacture cars in Australia, our cars will be built overseas, and some will be cars that are developed to be raced world wide. If they're "Mum Cars" and you don't like that, support something else like AFL/WAFL!. ["That's something that doesn't change with the times" he said facetiously!]

PS - Go Sainters, at least we supporters know how we will go, holding up the rest of the competition!

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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2020, 08:19:29 AM »

I have noted that no team as yet has been sucked in as Gary Rodgers did with Boost sponsorship and Wankaway ( Richie Stanaway ). The owner of Boost was trying very hard at the end of last season to get a team to take him/them on .



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« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2020, 08:24:32 AM »
Wont be long now.................................  8)

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« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2020, 09:40:02 AM »
Wont be long now.................................  8)

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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2020, 10:08:33 AM »
Actually the Kia Stinger does quite well
Let me know if any Ford or Holden fans would support and follow a stinger.  :D :D
 
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« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2020, 10:16:09 AM »
Let me know if any Ford or Holden fans would support and follow a stinger.  :D :D
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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2020, 10:18:56 AM »
V8's will stay for a long time yet. Thats what the punters want and you have to appeal to the punters.

They wanted to start introducing turbo 6's and it was a dud. Itll take a few more generations to weed out the V8 thing yet.  ;D
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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2020, 10:48:30 AM »
I'm thinking now Holden is dead, nostalgia is going to be where the growth & interest may be in Australian racing.
I love watching the Touring Car Masters races as a support race - much better than those stupidly boring dual cabs loping awkwardly around the track.
Up the prize money in the Masters series & give it a higher profile.

I reckon the new Corvette might be a good replacement for the Holden teams??

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« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2020, 10:59:19 AM »
Yep if its on I watch it for awhile,  but to me they should be racing what the average bloke can buy out of the car lot, With roll cage and a few mods as they are nothing like you can buy, just BS to me, Craig
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« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2020, 11:17:44 AM »
I find it funny that we want our racing to be cars what mum and dad can buy without modifications but we buy cars and 4wds and modify them, suspension, shocks, exhaust, chips and tunes etc.
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Re: Supercars 2020
« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2020, 01:15:22 PM »
https://www.holden.com.au/
love how Ford are all "we are sad to see them go". LOL

"Provide servicing and spare parts for at least 10 years"

Where? all the dealerships will be closed.
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« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2020, 03:12:46 PM »
https://www.holden.com.au/
love how Ford are all "we are sad to see them go". LOL

"Provide servicing and spare parts for at least 10 years"

Where? all the dealerships will be closed.
Most dealerships are no longer exclusive so I don’t think servicing will be an issue. And that is of course only for the people who still use dealerships for servicing. Or they will just sign an agreement with Ultratune, etc to provide the service.

As for spare parts, they have to put a timeline on it but spares are generally available for most cars even way over 10 years old.




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« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2020, 03:23:37 PM »
Most dealerships are no longer exclusive so I don’t think servicing will be an issue. And that is of course only for the people who still use dealerships for servicing. Or they will just sign an agreement with Ultratune, etc to provide the service.

The dealer I spoke to today said they would not be honoring the free/capped price servicing? Perhaps he meant only for new sales, not pre-existing customers??
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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2020, 03:33:38 PM »
These guys be happy
https://twitter.com/abcadelaide/status/1229503564289998848?s=20

What becomes of this soon to be completed brand new Holden showroom in Adelaide ?
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« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2020, 03:43:12 PM »
The dealer I spoke to today said they would not be honoring the free/capped price servicing? Perhaps he meant only for new sales, not pre-existing customers??
If its a contract, he'd have no choice... ???
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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2020, 04:22:57 PM »
These guys be happy
https://twitter.com/abcadelaide/status/1229503564289998848?s=20

What becomes of this soon to be completed brand new Holden showroom in Adelaide ?


My guess is it will end up with OPEL or Mahindra, or maybe YangYang signage  >:D
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