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Misfueling Devices???????????
« on: November 04, 2018, 06:59:55 AM »
Just upgraded the old man's vehicle. Got him into a mint, low k 2013 Mitsubishi Challenger. It will be his first diesel vehicle and I am worried, after a lifetime of petrol powered vehicles,  that he's going to fill it with unleaded. Who got a misfueling device and how do you rate it. I was looking at this:-
https://www.waterindiesel.com.au/shop
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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2018, 07:14:01 AM »
Never knew they existed. My parents put unleaded into their diesel motor home, got a few k's down the road and it didn't feel right. Pulled over and checked the receipt and figure it what they did.

Called a tow truck and then the insurance company. Everything covered under insurance. Worth asking your insurer if they cover it. Although prevention is always better

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« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2018, 07:24:13 AM »
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« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2018, 08:32:50 AM »
I'd just make.sure it's covered under the insurance policy and move on, it depends on how modern the engine is as to how bad it is for it, I put about 15L in my work a little while ago, being a 90's vintage diesel I just topped up with about 45L of diesel and it was fine, blew noticeably less smoke for that tank and seemed to have a bit more get up and go
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« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2018, 09:54:50 AM »
Personally, I'd be more worried if it was their first automatic rather than diesel...
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« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2018, 10:22:14 AM »
Quote from: Paddler Ed on November 04, 2018, 09:54:50 AM
Personally, I'd be more worried if it was their first automatic rather than diesel...
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2018, 01:25:25 PM »
Quote from: Coolblue80 on November 04, 2018, 10:22:14 AM
Quote from: Paddler Ed on November 04, 2018, 09:54:50 AM
Personally, I'd be more worried if it was their first automatic rather than diesel...

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Have a look at the number of children, spouses and bystanders hit by elderly drivers who accidentally hit the accelerator - I would suspect a number of them are automatics - particularly when reversing. Admittedly a lot of those are much older drivers (in their 70s +) but still something to be aware of.

Couple of examples:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-27/elderly-woman-killed-by-car-in-driveway/5220582 (car left in Drive, not Park)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/06/driver-90-killed-couple-knocking-pressed-accelerator-instead/ (Confused Accelerator for Brake - could happen in a manual as well)

Academic research:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3153815/
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1071181311551404?journalCode=proe
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2018, 02:25:53 PM »
Quote from: Paddler Ed on November 04, 2018, 01:25:25 PM
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Have a look at the number of children, spouses and bystanders hit by elderly drivers who accidentally hit the accelerator - I would suspect a number of them are automatics - particularly when reversing. Admittedly a lot of those are much older drivers (in their 70s +) but still something to be aware of.

Couple of examples:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-27/elderly-woman-killed-by-car-in-driveway/5220582 (car left in Drive, not Park)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/06/driver-90-killed-couple-knocking-pressed-accelerator-instead/ (Confused Accelerator for Brake - could happen in a manual as well)

Academic research:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3153815/
http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1071181311551404?journalCode=proe
Yeah and have a look at the number of young drivers that have accidents and injure with their hooning or driving above their ability, doesnt have much to do with refueling a vehicle tho

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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2018, 02:46:05 PM »
Quote from: macca on November 04, 2018, 02:25:53 PM
Yeah and have a look at the number of young drivers that have accidents and injure with their hooning or driving above their ability, doesnt have much to do with refueling a vehicle tho

OP said it was their father's first diesel, to which I'd said I'd be more worried about it being their first automatic. One is a costly repair, other is risk of killing someone... both things take time to adjust behaviour... However, as most Australians drive autos, it's probably not as much of an issue as it is in Europe where manuals are much more commonplace.

An example of the time to change unconscious behaviour is how long it takes to get used to a European car's windscreen and indicator controls - takes me about 3 or 4 trips to not get the wrong function.
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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2018, 08:17:53 AM »
One of my best mates recently bought his first diesel car and bought the following from his local Toyota dealership (Even though he drives a Ford)

it's for his piece of mind in case he forgot, but also if his Wife or Father borrowed the car it wouldn’t have crossed their minds it runs on Diesel. 

https://www.raa.com.au/shop/caravan-camping-and-4wd/off-road-gps-and-technology/solo-diesel-fuel-cap-sd2-thread
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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2018, 02:08:56 PM »
Quote from: JD-120 on November 04, 2018, 07:14:01 AM
Never knew they existed. My parents put unleaded into their diesel motor home, got a few k's down the road and it didn't feel right. Pulled over and checked the receipt and figure it what they did.

Called a tow truck and then the insurance company. Everything covered under insurance. Worth asking your insurer if they cover it. Although prevention is always better

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They were lucky. Everytime I get my renewal for my diesel cruiser I check some other companies as a comparison and all of them say no coverage for putting the wrong fuel in. Some don't even cover for accidential fuel contamination. For example AAMI in their PDS under what is not covered states-
"Incorrect fuel usage"
'loss or damage to your car (including damage to your car’s engine or fuel system) caused by the incorrect type of fuel being used.'  What company are they insured with?   Kevin
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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2019, 01:28:05 PM »
I know I'm digging up an old thread but when we purchased the original Misfueling device for Dad's car I also grabbed one for mine. Wifey has put Unleaded in my Pajero previously but caught the mistake before any damage was done. Well bugger me if she didn't just do it again. Thankfully the device stopped her from putting fuel in and she realised what was going on. Grabbed the diesel nozzle and away she went. So the device has just paid for itself. She had borrowed my car to go BMX racing 200k's away. As I said to her, she would have been stuck 200k's away on a Sunday and a very pissed off husband waiting for her return.
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2019, 08:42:55 PM »
Quote from: Coolblue80 on July 14, 2019, 01:28:05 PM
I know I'm digging up an old thread but when we purchased the original Misfueling device for Dad's car I also grabbed one for mine. Wifey has put Unleaded in my Pajero previously but caught the mistake before any damage was done. Well bugger me if she didn't just do it again. Thankfully the device stopped her from putting fuel in and she realised what was going on. Grabbed the diesel nozzle and away she went. So the device has just paid for itself. She had borrowed my car to go BMX racing 200k's away. As I said to her, she would have been stuck 200k's away on a Sunday and a very pissed off husband waiting for her return.
Cheers, Mike.

Does the device still let you use the high flow "big" nozzles ?
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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2019, 04:42:56 AM »
Quote from: gronk on July 14, 2019, 08:42:55 PM
Does the device still let you use the high flow "big" nozzles ?
Nope.
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« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2019, 02:37:49 PM »
Quote from: Coolblue80 on July 15, 2019, 04:42:56 AM
Nope.

So it's actually designed for petrol cars, and won't stop PETROL going into DIESELS.
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« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2019, 03:04:39 PM »
Quote from: Cruiser 105Tvan on July 15, 2019, 02:37:49 PM
So it's actually designed for petrol cars, and won't stop PETROL going into DIESELS.
No. It stops you from putting unleaded in diesels.  The diesel nozzle is larger than the unleaded one. Only the right sizes nozzle will open the flap contained inside the device.  The unleaded nozzle is to small to release the flap, therefore stopping unleaded being put in the tank.  The link i put above gives you the info.
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« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2019, 06:16:43 PM »
Quote from: Coolblue80 on July 15, 2019, 03:04:39 PM
No. It stops you from putting unleaded in diesels.  The diesel nozzle is larger than the unleaded one. Only the right sizes nozzle will open the flap contained inside the device.  The unleaded nozzle is to small to release the flap, therefore stopping unleaded being put in the tank.  The link i put above gives you the info.

90% of the time I fill up using the "truck" nozzle, so it would be no good to me.
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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2019, 01:22:54 PM »
Quote from: gronk on July 15, 2019, 06:16:43 PM
90% of the time I fill up using the "truck" nozzle, so it would be no good to me.
I have one of the RAA ones, mainly for when Mrs Renno may be in it and have to fill it, not that has been the case in years.  I always try and use high flow pumps so obviously have to unscrew it but the fact your unscrewing a big yellow cap is a good reminder. WOuld have to unscrew a cap anyway. 
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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2019, 12:33:15 AM »
We have one of these installed on our car and it works
https://www.sprintautoparts.com.au/solo-diesel-misfuelling-fuel-caps
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« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2019, 06:44:44 AM »
Quote from: Renno on July 16, 2019, 01:22:54 PM
I have one of the RAA ones, mainly for when Mrs Renno may be in it and have to fill it, not that has been the case in years.  I always try and use high flow pumps so obviously have to unscrew it but the fact your unscrewing a big yellow cap is a good reminder. WOuld have to unscrew a cap anyway. 
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