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confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« on: July 29, 2014, 03:19:13 PM »


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Nissan has ruled out offering a diesel-powered version of its latest Patrol, despite high demand for one in Australia.

Takashi Fuku, chief engineer of the new Nissan Navara and the V8-powered Patrol, says the manufacturer could not justify developing diesel power for its flagship SUV.

“It’s too big an investment, sorry,” he says.

“Four years ago or five years ago I did a study to use diesel engine, it did not succeed.

“It was a high investment with low [economic] performance. That is the reason why we did not make a diesel.”

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/no-diesel-for-nissan-patrol-20140729-zy094.html
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2014, 03:22:57 PM »
did you really think that would do a diesel mate?
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2014, 04:21:05 PM »
Anyone know what the petrol gets in real life driving?
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2014, 04:49:35 PM »
There was one at work for a couple of weeks

I could get it to 17 for running around town for a day
I could have probably got it lower but i was having fun ;D
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2014, 04:55:58 PM »
When the GU was released, Nissan denied any plans for a factory turbo on the TD42.
The denials went on for 2 years, then surprise, surprise.....

Not saying the same will happen here, but it wouldn't shock me if it did.
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2014, 05:13:56 PM »
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did you really think that would do a diesel mate?
Nope...
I fully expected them to not do sweet nanny adams about it.
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2014, 05:19:18 PM »
I don't understand why.  Surely there is a market for it.  I'm sure Toyota & Mitsubishi sell more diesel 4WD's than petrol ones.  ???
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2014, 05:21:15 PM »
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I don't understand why.  Surely there is a market for it. 
There is - Nissan admits there is - but we are about 1/1000th the size of the market they need to make money..
The issue is they don't have a decent motor, they have to design one and make it last longer than the dealers driveway.
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2014, 05:33:37 PM »
Wonder if the 4wd market will get like trucks did for a while. You walk into X dealer and pick out the model then option the drive line with a 400 Cummins and an Alison auto?
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2014, 05:34:46 PM »
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...pick out the model then option the drive line with a 400 Cummins and an Alison auto?

Vince has a Duramax turbo IC 6.6 in his GU with Alison Auto... :D
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2014, 05:44:02 PM »
My manager is into all the yank tank stuff, and a lot of the modern things he is into have the Alison autos. I drove one on an agie truck and thought it was a slug, but setup right in some of those yanky pick up would go ok.

There must not be enough demand in Australia or you would think Cummins or one of those types of engine builders might have got into it. But I suppose it would rely on all the manufacturers to get on board too and that'll never happen....
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2014, 07:09:37 PM »
Cummings was looked at in supplying the v8 Diesel engines

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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2014, 08:48:52 PM »
Nissan is where is at now due to choices made years ago.......they simply made the wrong choices much like ford oz did by not manufacturing for overseas markets yet holden kicked ass because they did......

Nissan will always be bridesmaid to Toyota unless mr yota gets it wrong badly......

Nissan needs a kick ass v8 diesel to compete and they simply don't have one, I wish they did tho it would take some of that toyota dealership smugness away
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2014, 08:54:05 PM »

Nissan is where is at now due to choices made years ago.......they simply made the wrong choices much like ford oz did by not manufacturing for overseas markets yet holden kicked ass because they did......

Nissan will always be bridesmaid to Toyota unless mr yota gets it wrong badly......

Nissan needs a kick ass v8 diesel to compete and they simply don't have one, I wish they did tho it would take some of that toyota dealership smugness away

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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2014, 09:19:52 PM »
Nissan is where is at now due to choices made years ago.......they simply made the wrong choices much like ford oz did by not manufacturing for overseas markets yet holden kicked ass because they did......

Nissan will always be bridesmaid to Toyota unless mr yota gets it wrong badly......

Nissan needs a kick ass v8 diesel to compete and they simply don't have one, I wish they did tho it would take some of that toyota dealership smugness away

Yeah but, your still just talking an Aussie market, nissan have their eyes on the rest of the world, where the cost of petrol, is like filling up from your garden hose, from the rain water tank you had installed.

How many kW is your TD producing of the floor?
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2014, 10:09:09 PM »
Looking at the sales figures of the current petrol patrol, I cant see that being around much longer either.
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2014, 08:23:15 PM »
Hang on a bit ,,, if Nissan folds cause nobody want a petrol tug ,  will we still be able to hand S&$T on Jeeps  . Thats all that's left . :cheers:
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2014, 08:27:46 PM »

Hang on a bit ,,, if Nissan folds cause nobody want a petrol tug ,  will we still be able to hand S&$T on Jeeps  . Thats all that's left . :cheers:

You got it all wrong! It's better to hang S&$T than to drive S&$T :)

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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2014, 07:39:19 AM »
Do you mean " Drive " or  " Push "   l love the sound of a tilt tray in the morning  :cup:
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #20 on: July 31, 2014, 07:41:12 AM »

Nissan will always be bridesmaid to Toyota unless mr yota gets it wrong badly......


Only in sales figures get it in the bush and its still along way in front...seen it first hand many times...

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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2014, 08:07:07 AM »
There obviously isn't a market for the V8's. I've only seen about 10 in Perth. I wonder how many are out there in the rest of the world

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confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2014, 08:07:18 AM »
"   l love the sound of a tilt tray in the morning  :cup:

The main engine sound of the Toyota :D
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2014, 08:51:08 AM »
The main market for the new Patrol is the Saudis , they only want Petrol. And petrol sells well enough in the US to give them some leverage there.  As the yanks come around more to diesel in SUV there is more likelihood Nissan will do something. But it will be balanced against cost v budgeted numbers, and maybe saved for another model and the yanks really ain't into small diesels (>5L) in big SUVs. Nissan global today is effectively managed and focused by Renault and the French management. They won't have the same interest in AU market like other Japanese manuafatures.
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Re: confirmed no diesel for the new Patrol
« Reply #24 on: July 31, 2014, 09:10:18 AM »
Diesel is huge in Europe, but big cars like the Patrol are pretty rare over there.

The Saudi's love petrol and it's cheap, and in the US is near impossible to buy diesel in towns or cities, usually it's only available on the interstate highways.

We've hired RV's over there 3 times, 32-34 foot units, weigh in at 15 or 16 tons, and all powered by V10 petrol engines. Economy was terrible on the first two, equiv to about 5mls to the gallon, the latest model we had this year managed about 8.

The yanks don't want diesel, and after a chat with some fellas at the BMW museum in Munich last year, even they said petrol will be the way of the future, that diesel has a very measurable lifespan, and it's not much longer. They said small petrol engines have come a long way, producing good torque with good reductions in fuel usage  over the last few years, with better to come.

Maybe the Nissan boys know what they are doing and don't really care what one of the smallest markets in the world thinks ?