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Re: Kogan mobile phone service
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2013, 04:45:23 PM »
Some satisfied Kogan customers here... http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2081956   worth a read ...
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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2013, 07:05:10 PM »
Quote from: Swogjb on March 19, 2013, 08:25:30 PM
It sure does seem like a good deal.
I ordered a Kogan SIM last week for one of our work phones.
If it turns out ok.... We will definitely be changing 5 other mobiles over.
I will keep you posted
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You are undoubtedly breeching the terms and conditions, as it definitely states that it is for "personal use only" :police:
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« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2013, 01:22:08 AM »
Crikey, there are some unhappy campers over on Whirlpool! I have the Kogan sim, and a new phone, but I'm not sure I'll bother putting them together now. That way I'm only $5 out of pocket,
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« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2013, 10:48:35 AM »
Quote from: olddigger on April 11, 2013, 01:22:08 AM
Crikey, there are some unhappy campers over on Whirlpool! I have the Kogan sim, and a new phone, but I'm not sure I'll bother putting them together now. That way I'm only $5 out of pocket,
Cheers, Tony

WP is full of geeks and freeloading downloaders who were instantly attracted to that 6GB/month on the Telstra network and naturally wanted to be blind to KM's 'reasonable use' terms. They are not representative of the mature adult population here so go figure.
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« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2013, 09:03:18 PM »
Quote from: prodigyrf on April 11, 2013, 10:48:35 AM
WP is full of geeks and freeloading downloaders who were instantly attracted to that 6GB/month on the Telstra network and naturally wanted to be blind to KM's 'reasonable use' terms. They are not representative of the mature adult population here so go figure.

Thats not quite correct. The "reasonable use" terms actually did not start until April 6 (at least in the email I received, I have had an account for 3 months).

Of course the descriptor "unlimited" is one that has some definition as far as the TIO and ACCC are concerned in telecommunications area. The current data restrictions are a very recent addition to the T&C at KM.

Many appear to have been dropped because they were a "business", even people who advised they hardly used the account at all.

A mature adult would actually read the full context of the discussions on whirlpool and realise that many people purchased a product with a product description and the product was not delivered.

The recent removal of speed throttling shows that the concerns of many users were in fact correct and the granting of an injunction against ISPone and an order to reinstate booted users vindicates their position.

I have a KM sim and it is going fine the only reason I have not ported away (because I feared being kicked off for some  unknown and obscure reason) is the injunction.

Even geeks and freeloading downloaders have a right in Australia to use a product they have purchased and , at least before April 6, use it in a way commensurate with the conditions of purchase.
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« Reply #30 on: April 11, 2013, 10:41:23 PM »
They got some points as you say Geoffwin but I am reminded of the young bull and old bull-
 
Young bull to old bull excitedly: Hey the farmer's left the gate open to the heifer paddock so I'm gunna race over there and give half a dozen of them heifers what for! :D

Old bull ruminating to himself: You do that young fella but I'm gunna finish chewing my cud and mosey on over and go through the whole herd all night   8)

I'll likely give Kogan mobile a run in my own good time when they've ironed out those teething problems and the rush has settled down.
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« Reply #31 on: April 12, 2013, 08:49:12 AM »
I'm with Kogan. Recently my data was disconnected while I was still well under the data limit. Trying to talk to customer service proved to be nearly impossible. It took more than a week to get through to them.
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« Reply #32 on: April 12, 2013, 08:53:43 AM »
Take them to the TIO. Every TIO complaint costs kogan money. Enough complaints to the TIO will see this fixed. And may see them fined by ACCC..
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« Reply #33 on: April 12, 2013, 10:09:32 AM »
Quote from: fridayman on April 12, 2013, 08:49:12 AM
I'm with Kogan. Recently my data was disconnected while I was still well under the data limit.

Over 400MB download a day or 60+SMS a day and your daily phone calls and times were....?

I agree KM have to honour their original contractual terms with each and every consumer but the question here is just what did you personally sign on to and agree to at the time?
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« Reply #34 on: April 12, 2013, 11:13:54 AM »
This is the current court issue. Kogan and its upstream provider.

Kogan Mobile details ISPOne's alleged betrayal. http://t.co/IHQBVRennW
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« Reply #35 on: April 12, 2013, 11:28:37 AM »
Quote from: prodigyrf on April 12, 2013, 10:09:32 AM
Over 400MB download a day or 60+SMS a day and your daily phone calls and times were....?

I agree KM have to honour their original contractual terms with each and every consumer but the question here is just what did you personally sign on to and agree to at the time?

When I signed up there was no mention of daily limits, only the 6gb per month data limit. However, I make almost no calls and send about 5 texts maximum a week. I got the contract primarily for the data that I need to check a few emails everyday, and to use the google maps navigation on my iPhone - travelling no more than 250km per day outside of cities this should not be an issue. It seems in my case the data usage gets set back to 6gb once a month. They zero'd mine but didn't reset it back to 6gb. Mistakes happen, but the real problem was the inability to get through to them to get it rectified.
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Re: Kogan mobile phone service
« Reply #36 on: April 12, 2013, 11:56:23 AM »
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And may see them fined by ACCC..
FUNNY OF THE YEAR!!!! ACCC do anything but threaten? hahahahhahahahahahahahaha
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« Reply #37 on: April 12, 2013, 12:41:39 PM »
Yes yes. :)) I did say May. I need more smiley faces.

We can only hope. 
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« Reply #38 on: April 12, 2013, 02:00:27 PM »
Fair enough fridayman but when I spotted on WP that proposed plan of a brand new kid on the block in KM coming and those rates and download allowance, blind freddy could see the geeks, kids and freeloaders would be all over it like a rash so don't be a pioneer with them prodigy meboy or else  :'(

KM were clearly caught with their pants down and they'll be struggling for a while to get it right, although they were always going to be a low service onliner at those rates.

As for ACCC fines, how on earth will fines help them get on top of things any sooner? We want entrepreneurial mobile supply not nanny state 20/20 hindsight all the time and there's always more experienced Boost mobile or Aldi to consider until KM get it right or die in the attempt.

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« Reply #39 on: April 12, 2013, 03:28:03 PM »
Ruslan kogan is a big fella. He isn't curing cancer. He is buying himself another new Ferrari. * wiki says he has a BMW. But at net worth $150million. The car isn't an issue :)

He didn't design a leading new product and then discovered a whoops.

His team of highly paid lawyers entereted a contract with an upstream ISP provider reselling Telstra service who have come to disagreements over said contract.

Accc / consumer law stands. They won't do a thing. But this isn't limiting innovation or changing a market. It's taking advantage of a situation and trying to make money. On all sides.

Those highly paid lawyers once again will be the only ones who end up profiting from this. Like any other contractual breach or disagreement that ends in the courts!!

You get what you pay for! :)

If we want better networks. Maybe mr packer jnr and me rich can restart their onetel plans. That worked well for them the first time. :)

Cost of business. This 700mhz low band 4g rural spectrum auction that starts 23rs April. The government want $2 billion from the operators. For a piece of paper. Each tower costs $300k to build year one. It's not a charity :))

Let alone the not in my backyard. Kinder. Kangaroo paddock. Neighbourhood. Beachfront. Cave. People. One objection and it takes 6 months of arbitration. On top of the typical 18+ month delivery timeframe.

My phone drops out but my coverage is bad and I don't want a tower.. Because I don't trust the world health organisation and my tin foil hat is a bit tight.

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« Reply #40 on: April 12, 2013, 03:58:17 PM »
Also worth a read!!  http://www.brw.com.au/p/marketing/ruslan_kogan_and_the_problem_with_ZvIGYgJ0BCe014LotJbhJP
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« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2013, 11:33:52 PM »
Quote from: Vk3bq on August 19, 2013, 06:29:20 PM
hopefully everyone about to loose a service has a plan b :D
Hmmm.. missus just got the email her mob will be cut off in the  next 24 hrs and we're at Exmouth with no service on my Voda phone so will need to consider next best option. Seems Aldimobile was also caught up in the ISPOne debacle have cut a 3 month deal direct with Telstra but no go for Kogan as they're probably too cheap for Telstra to deal with so Ruslan has pulled the pin.

The email from KM states punters have 180 days to port elsewhere and all pre-paid will be refunded on a prorata basis so no big deal except for the inconvenience. Must say KM has been good thru the Territory and Kimberley (still tethering this on KM at present) but may consider Boost Mobile now as they have direct dealing with Telstra rather than one step removed. $40 unlimited calls and SMS with 3GB data for 30 days prepaid and JB HiFi handle their Sims whereas Aldi Sims are East coast stores only.
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« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2013, 11:31:10 AM »
or just sign up with Telstra and have a phone that always works.
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« Reply #44 on: August 20, 2013, 12:49:38 PM »
Quote from: Lost on August 20, 2013, 11:31:10 AM
or just sign up with Telstra and have a phone that always works.
Rather simplistic for most households with total mobile and fixed internet spend plus the hardware/software upgrade merry go round. Not crying poverty, just priorities with comms spend among all the other hungry mouths to feed, not least keeping the 3 tiers of Gummint in the manner to which the've become accustomed  :'(
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« Reply #45 on: August 20, 2013, 10:44:51 PM »
Quote from: prodigyrf on August 19, 2013, 11:33:52 PM
Hmmm.. missus just got the email her mob will be cut off in the  next 24 hrs and we're at Exmouth with no service on my Voda phone so will need to consider next best option. Seems Aldimobile was also caught up in the ISPOne debacle have cut a 3 month deal direct with Telstra but no go for Kogan as they're probably too cheap for Telstra to deal with so Ruslan has pulled the pin.

The email from KM states punters have 180 days to port elsewhere and all pre-paid will be refunded on a prorata basis so no big deal except for the inconvenience. Must say KM has been good thru the Territory and Kimberley (still tethering this on KM at present) but may consider Boost Mobile now as they have direct dealing with Telstra rather than one step removed. $40 unlimited calls and SMS with 3GB data for 30 days prepaid and JB HiFi handle their Sims whereas Aldi Sims are East coast stores only.

Mate if you would like an Aldi sim, PM me and I'll pick you one up tomorrow and put it in and envelope to an address of your choice.
My son just got one today, we gave him the KM yearly plan for his last birthday in March so we will try the Aldi for now.
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« Reply #46 on: August 20, 2013, 10:58:00 PM »
is it just me or is the term "unlimited" fairly unequivocal in it's meaning "without limit or end; on going"? thought that was the point? Surely placing a "limit" makes it no longer an "unlimited" plan and thus using the term "unlimited" would be false advertising? SO if it has limits, how can it be advertised as unlimited? Legally that is........
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« Reply #47 on: August 21, 2013, 01:24:17 AM »
Quote from: DeLuxHiLux on August 20, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
is it just me or is the term "unlimited" fairly unequivocal in it's meaning "without limit or end; on going"? thought that was the point? Surely placing a "limit" makes it no longer an "unlimited" plan and thus using the term "unlimited" would be false advertising? SO if it has limits, how can it be advertised as unlimited? Legally that is........

Well I think most of us understood 'unlimited' meant fairly generous within the context of personal use and reasonable use terms clearly spelled out by both Kogan and Aldi but the lawyers and pedants among us have clearly driven Boost Mobile to call their offer 'Boost UNLTD' to get around the ACCC nosewipers and nanny staters who think we're all children in need of some more mummying. Sweet Jesus the Kimberley is now full of warning signs every time there's the remotest possibility of we poor BBers coming to grief with Mother Nature  ???

Funnily enough switching the missus to KM for the trip I was actually paying more than the $20/month on Voda Infinite for her and daughter. That's because son and I were paying $45/m each on Voda Infinite for biz 9we haven't got time for SMS or data during the day) when Voda rep approached me about anymore family phones a couple of years ago when Voda were under the pump. He said he'd beat their current provider (TPG for $20 for $300 worth of calls a month) and true to his word they went on Voda Infinite for $20 each. The last of the big spenders upping the missus to KM for $299 for 12months worth as you can tell ;D
 
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« Reply #48 on: August 21, 2013, 10:44:43 AM »
This is a recent Comms Day pdf. It's a regular email that is sent out to those in the IT industry (where I work) or to anyone that signs up for it (I think it's a premium service?).
It has some interesting information relating to Kogan Mobile :)
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« Reply #49 on: August 29, 2013, 02:11:30 PM »
Quote from: Lost on August 20, 2013, 11:31:10 AM
or just sign up with Telstra and have a phone that always works.

I was with Kogan. Was good while it lasted and no issues. Made the simple switch to BOOST and the only downside is 3G of data instead of 6G. But BOOST has better coverage as they us the full telstra nextG network. Why would anyone pay telstra $100 a month for the same deal (unlimited calls and text, 3G of data) and the same coverage. And BOOST is actually owned by telstra, go figure.
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