What do you think is still unacceptable?

[singo-26]

everybody is deriding the young here and to a degree I think a lot of kids deserve it, But there is disrespect in all age groups today. Its not only the hoodie wearing 18yo (just a joke OK) who now has no respect for anyone. Perhaps it's the pace society moves at. How many of us got cut off at the lights today so someone far more important than us could be first in the line?

[olddigger]

Just a guess here, but do those defending/wearing hoodies with the hood pulled over their heads while indoors also regard track suit pants as formal wear, suitable for the pub/club? And shorts, singlets and bare feet as really good gear in which to fly to Bali? I have a sinking feeling they do.
Cheers, Tony

[Geoffwin]

Seems to me that many parents believe it is "someone else" responsibility to teach kids respect, manners or whatever other name you wish to put on it.

Yet for some reason it is generally these same parents who seem to get very upset when someone else actually does this.

While it is very easy to blame society the fact is that it takes 2 to tango but after the dance it is far easier to assign responsibility back to society than take it. Far to easy to say it is all too hard, the teachers, school, government should do something about it.

[GS]

Attended a wedding last year where one of the guests wore elastic waisted trousers and sandals with socks.

[crackacoldie]

Attended a wedding last year where one of the guests wore elastic waisted trousers and sandals with socks.

I think that might of been my Grandpa!!!! 

[kranky al]

Just a guess here, but do those defending/wearing hoodies with the hood pulled over their heads while indoors also regard track suit pants as formal wear, suitable for the pub/club? And shorts, singlets and bare feet as really good gear in which to fly to Bali? I have a sinking feeling they do.
Cheers, Tony

depends on the pub really - horses for courses

[Followme1]

I interviewed a 19yr old the other day he came to the interview well dressed and caught a buss so I gave him the job  you just don't see that anymore I was impressed

George

[Vince]

I can agree and disagree with the posts I have read up to here.

My vote goes to kranky al posts (both)

I also wear hoodies and I,m 52 (if age is a matter as well here) but ma would give me a severe backhander if I wore a hat inside.

[V8TL8]

Some possible thoughts regarding our errant youth (or their parents if you prefer):

at the risk of seeming radical:

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/index.htm

start with:

http://www.ourcivilisation.com/inspire.htm

have a  cheery week!

ChrisB

[Black Diamond]

Seems to me that many parents believe it is "someone else" responsibility to teach kids respect, manners or whatever other name you wish to put on it.

Yet for some reason it is generally these same parents who seem to get very upset when someone else actually does this.

I have always been a firm believer that a lot of these problems stem from home. We as parents are the biggest unfluence on our kids and if we do not install these values into them from a young age it snowballs from there. Sit back and take note of what you say and do everyday and you will realise how much you remind yourself of your Dad/Mum.
Its not always the case but the majority and there are other influences as well.
Unfortunately the saying "Sh1t breeds Sh1t' has a lot of weight.

[darren]

Go and ask you granparents about all the problems they had with youth with long hair and sideburns, They will tell you all about the lazy smart arse drug smokers... Yeah thats right , they will be talking about your parents. This isnt a new problem with youth, but neither is narrow minded head up their own a*se older generations.

[Swogjb]

Go and ask you granparents about all the problems they had with youth with long hair and sideburns, They will tell you all about the lazy smart arse drug smokers... Yeah thats right , they will be talking about your parents. This isnt a new problem with youth, but neither is narrow minded head up their own a*se older generations.

Well said

[farmer6]

I wasn't going to make a comment but I can not help myself.

I'm the president of the local junior rugby league club so deal with lots of kids from all around our area here in central Quensland. I also send a fair amount of time in the canteen serving people. I would much prefer to serve the under 6's to under 18's then half the parents and grand parents. Dont try to run this line that kids today have no manners then completely disregard the rude "old" people in our society because it suits your arguement. Yes some of the kids have bad manners but they are being raised by the same parents and grand parents that come from this golden era when everyone was nice to each other. Yes have issues with the bad kids but don't let the parents and grand parents off the hook.

Just one story. An elderly gentleman walked up to the canteen and while looking into the warming oven said "A hamburger and can of coke" to which I replyed "What was that sorry". "A hamburger and can of coke" he replied. Being the person I am I said "Whats the magic word". He then tried to give me the "I'm the big man here, your the canteen boy, so just serve me" look, when a little girl beside him said "it's please". I burst out laughing and the bloke turned and walked off in a huff.
Yes, most people have respect and some don't but don't try to run this line that somehow once your over 18 your a nice person. I've camped beside enough grey nomads to know they can be as obnoxous as a screeming kid and leave as much mess behind as a young family.

I also live close to a country pub and most of the people in the pub wear their hats or caps while inside or outside the pub. They are all ages and are mostly great people. They are happy and friendly and talk freely to complete strangers. They are members of the local bush fire brigade, are trained in using our defibulator incase they have to save someones life and are always helping others out around the district. It is completely your right to see someone wearing a hat while indoors and make a judgement on there charactor but it is also my right to defend them. You have no idea what that person does or has done for the rest of their life, who they have supported in their time of need or how they have added to a community. Instead you turn your head, see a hat and think "What a wanker".

Don't get me wrong, you are entitled to your opinion but before you form an opinion just stop and think how you would feel if everyone loooked at you with your shirt tucked in and straight away thought you were a cranky old man or women and they better not talk to you. What a sad world that would be.

farmer6

[kranky al]

uncanny - flicking through a few online newspapers today and get this advice from a marine heading to civvy street

http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/07/29/defense_budget_implosion_vii_kiss_those_retirement_bennies_goodbye

3. Style:
-Do not put creases in your jeans.
-Do not put creases on the front of your dress shirts.
-A horseshoe cut looks dumb, not motivating.
-A high and tight looks really dumb.
-So does a low reg, but not as bad.
-A hat indoors does not make you a bad person, it makes you like the rest
of the world.[/color][/i]
-you do not have to wear a belt ALL the time.

[hookedon4wding]

I wasn't going to make a comment but I can not help myself.

I'm the president of the local junior rugby league club so deal with lots of kids from all around our area here in central Quensland. I also send a fair amount of time in the canteen serving people. I would much prefer to serve the under 6's to under 18's then half the parents and grand parents. Dont try to run this line that kids today have no manners then completely disregard the rude "old" people in our society because it suits your arguement. Yes some of the kids have bad manners but they are being raised by the same parents and grand parents that come from this golden era when everyone was nice to each other. Yes have issues with the bad kids but don't let the parents and grand parents off the hook.

Just one story. An elderly gentleman walked up to the canteen and while looking into the warming oven said "A hamburger and can of coke" to which I replyed "What was that sorry". "A hamburger and can of coke" he replied. Being the person I am I said "Whats the magic word". He then tried to give me the "I'm the big man here, your the canteen boy, so just serve me" look, when a little girl beside him said "it's please". I burst out laughing and the bloke turned and walked off in a huff.
Yes, most people have respect and some don't but don't try to run this line that somehow once your over 18 your a nice person. I've camped beside enough grey nomads to know they can be as obnoxous as a screeming kid and leave as much mess behind as a young family.

I also live close to a country pub and most of the people in the pub wear their hats or caps while inside or outside the pub. They are all ages and are mostly great people. They are happy and friendly and talk freely to complete strangers. They are members of the local bush fire brigade, are trained in using our defibulator incase they have to save someones life and are always helping others out around the district. It is completely your right to see someone wearing a hat while indoors and make a judgement on there charactor but it is also my right to defend them. You have no idea what that person does or has done for the rest of their life, who they have supported in their time of need or how they have added to a community. Instead you turn your head, see a hat and think "What a wanker".

Don't get me wrong, you are entitled to your opinion but before you form an opinion just stop and think how you would feel if everyone loooked at you with your shirt tucked in and straight away thought you were a cranky old man or women and they better not talk to you. What a sad world that would be.

farmer6

I think this thread has morphed into a lot more than just a discussion about wearing hats inside. 

I think farmer has summed up my opinion perfectly. Manners and common courtesy are extremely important no matter what generation you're from and should be instilled in our children as they were from our parents and grand parents.

I just don't agree that the whole hats inside argument is in the same category as all the rest. As Kranky Al has said, what's considered appropriate to wear (and when to wear it) has changed dramatically over the years so societies 'rules' need to evolve as such. There are still times and places where I think we all agree that hats aren't appropriate (mainly because they don't go with a suit and tie  ) but a blanket ban indoors is just plain old fashioned.

Basic manners and common courtesy (please, thank you, giving your seat to elderly people, do unto others...etc) however, have not changed over the years and should be the focus of our parenting.

[toad]

 I'm wearing two hoodies

[darren]

farmer
That is exactly the point im trying to make. Weather its a hoody or a cowboy hat. You cant cast aspersions about what type of person someone is just based on whats on their head..

[alnjan]

when you look back at the original post about wearing hoodies or hats, it refers to wearing the head dress while at a restaurant attached to a pub.  Okay, maybe not a real formal restaurant requiring a formal dress code, but wearing hoodie (pulled up on your head) or hats is a different matter to wearing them at the pub or other social function.  When it is cold a hoodie is a great thing to wear, but the wearing of the hood on your head I feel is a time and place thing, not a given wear it all the time thing.

I agree manners and respect, are not restricted to one generation, a bit like the hand out mentality.  At times people seem to be out for there for one person, them self, and everyone else is expected to wait on them.  Some people however have turned this into a real art form at times.

[Sharshebelle1]

Just a guess here, but do those defending/wearing hoodies with the hood pulled over their heads while indoors also regard track suit pants as formal wear, suitable for the pub/club? And shorts, singlets and bare feet as really good gear in which to fly to Bali? I have a sinking feeling they do.
Cheers, Tony

No I dont, I think you are making sweeping statements based on your own predjudice. Not sure why you need to be so snarky

[richee]

Just a guess here, but do those defending/wearing hoodies with the hood pulled over their heads while indoors also regard track suit pants as formal wear, suitable for the pub/club? And shorts, singlets and bare feet as really good gear in which to fly to Bali? I have a sinking feeling they do.
Cheers, Tony

Well there goes 99% of my wardrobe  

No I dont, I think you are making sweeping statements based on your own predjudice. Not sure why you need to be so snarky

Gotta love that word "Snarky" - some cab queue jumping night club evictee used the word on my wife when my wife told her to go to the back of the queue

Richard

[Nomad]

Just a guess here, but do those defending/wearing hoodies with the hood pulled over their heads while indoors also regard track suit pants as formal wear, suitable for the pub/club? And shorts, singlets and bare feet as really good gear in which to fly to Bali? I have a sinking feeling they do.
Cheers, Tony

Yep thats what I wear to Bali................I do usually have a pair of thongs on with that though. I usually carry 4 boards from 5'11'' to 6'7'' so that doesnt leave much weight for clothes etc. So its usually two pairs of boardies, a couple of T Shirts and thongs, and buy what ever else I need.

Cheers   

[Bird]

I'm wearing two hoodies

And sideburns?? if so, Im running away.

[austastar]

Hi
Perhaps the cause of some of the problems??



cheers

[DANBRI]

I'm wearing two hoodies

[Jon]

farmer
That is exactly the point im tryin to make. Wether its a hoody or a cowboy hat. You cant cast aspersions about what type of person someone is just based on whats on their head..

In it, now that is another matter...