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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Benduro on June 01, 2015, 08:47:03 PM
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Hi all,
Thought I'd post my recent experience in buying a swag off Gumtree in the hope that others do not experience a similar fate.
Below is my report:
I purchased a 'G and G Saddlery Kimberly Swag (brown)' from a person who advertised item on Gumtree.
The seller (probably shouldn't name and shame at this stage) had his mobile number listed in the ad and as such I communicated with him this way to make the purchase.
The seller removed the ad following purchase and as such I don't have an ad i.d.
The seller charged me a total of $120 for the swag and shipping from Adelaide to my home in Ocean Grove, Victoria.
The seller provided me with his bank details and I forwarded funds via direct deposit. I have a receipt from bank confirming that funds were sent to the seller's Westpac account.
Seller became very impatient and agitated when funds had not appeared within two days believing I was a scammer and saying he was going to put the item back up on Gumtree. I assured him that I was not and that he should be patient as his bank obviously hadn't cleared the funds. I did at no stage expect him to send the item without cleared funds appearing in his account.
I have made multiple attempts to contact him by phone and text. He ignores my calls but will reply by text and still makes out that I am the scammer and that he had other buyers that he could sell to.
It is now more than a week later and he has requested no further contact.
I have contacted my bank and also his and was advised that the account (in his name) is legitimate. Funds cleared from my bank on the day of transfer.
I have reported this to Gumtree and will contact the :police:
I consider myself to be an honest person and as such expect the same from others. This leaves a really sour taste in my mouth and a hole in my bank account.
If anyone comes across a Swag similar (they would be reasonably rare, especially the brown colour), please exercise caution before proceeding with purchase.
Ben >:(
Thanks,
Ben.
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post the mobile # so he can get 100-200 phone calls asking where it is
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I would only ever buy off Gumtree if it was a pick up or cash on delivery. There are more scammers on Gumtree than there is in Nigeria. Good luck getting your money back.
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Have had a bit of a search (Face tube and the like) and from what I can see the seller is an actual person in Adelaide.
So not one of those elaborate OS scams.
Would love to post the phone number but prob' not wise, besides he is sick enough of me at this stage.
Feeling stupid and sucked in and have definitely learnt some valuable lessons... Hopefully other swaggers can also learn from my mistake.
:cheers:
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Have had a bit of a search (Face tube and the like) and from what I can see the seller is an actual person in Adelaide.
So not one of those elaborate OS scams.
Would love to post the phone number but prob' not wise, besides he is sick enough of me at this stage.
Feeling stupid and sucked in and have definitely learnt some valuable lessons... Hopefully other swaggers can also learn from my mistake.
:cheers:
he has your money... you have his **** all..
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Sorry to hear that Ben.
It is difficult to see how he would think it would be possible to get away with this, given that you can prove the funds have gone into his account. I'm sure the police would be interested in your experience.
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post the mobile # so he can get 100-200 phone calls asking where it is
x2. If you don't want to post up the number, send it to a few of us who like being PITA;D
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Haha, appreciate the support lads but will give the Police and Gumtree a crack at it 1st.
If all else fails...
:cheers:
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What is/was the collection suburb?
Maybe an Adelaide 'Swager' could collect it in person on your behalf. At least, then you will have only lost the postage??
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Haha, appreciate the support lads but will give the Police and Gumtree a crack at it 1st.
If all else fails...
:cheers:
also let us know if they post up again, we know how to deal with Nigerian Princes and dot painting salesmen, 20 of us could buy but never pay;D
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Always pay with PayPal if you use gumtree for the protection it offers
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Not to be a nark or anything, but there is a little message on Gum Tree, just below the sellers phone number, next to a shield
It says
"Only trade with sellers who you can meet in person and never send or wire money"
I guess this is why - more scammers on the selling side than the buying side.
Suggestion to all
If you want to buy something on Gum Tree and you can not get there in person - ask for help from a fellow swagger
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Always pay with PayPal if you use gumtree for the protection it offers
yea... that's not its all its meant to be anymore either.
face to face or pay more and buy it local.... the only way to fly
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Not to be a nark or anything, but there is a little message on Gum Tree, just below the sellers phone number, next to a shield
It says
"Only trade with sellers who you can meet in person and never send or wire money"
I guess this is why - more scammers on the selling side than the buying side.
Suggestion to all
If you want to buy something on Gum Tree and you can not get there in person - ask for help from a fellow swagger
Good advice book leaf but it dosn't actualy work that easily.
I quoted a job for someone who contacted me from Gumtree and they accepted my qoute in person then from the day I started they began to do what they've made a life time doing, she would have to be the biggest frontbum I've ever met and he's a total pussy that is Shit scared of her wrath.
I'd say more than a few of you use his products but as I have pending legal action and debt recovery in action I'll let you know the details in good time.
Regards dale
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Lets be honest search the net for "Gumtree scams" or even just this forum. willions of hits...
I haven't looked at Gumtree in a few years now...
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Always pay with PayPal if you use gumtree for the protection it offers
Actually, that is not safe for gumtree. Paypal does not offer buyer and seller protection on gumtree. Gumtree is primarily for face-to-face contact and cash hand-over. For that reason, be very, very careful when doing online transactions on gumtree!
When you want to have an item off gumtree through online transaction, ask the seller to post it on ebay. I just did something similar. The buyer was happy to post it on ebay and I immediately bought the item when it was available. This is the safest way for both buyer and seller as both have (some kind of) protection.
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What is/was the collection suburb?
Maybe an Adelaide 'Swager' could collect it in person on your behalf. At least, then you will have only lost the postage??
I don't know where in Adelaide as the seller did not provide an address. Another mistake by me :-[
Gumtree has started investigating the matter although I'm sceptical as whether this will help me at all.
Next, I'll visit the local Police. Again this will prob' be an inconvenience and prob' not high on their priority list.
Cheers Swaggers.
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I don't know where in Adelaide as the seller did not provide an address. Another mistake by me :-[
Gumtree has started investigating the matter although I'm sceptical as whether this will help me at all.
Next, I'll visit the local Police. Again this will prob' be an inconvenience and prob' not high on their priority list.
Cheers Swaggers.
So u aint been to cops yet ???
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No Bird, I'm awaiting Gumtree's investigation/reply but will certainly be going down this line if I'm not satisfied with Gumtree.
Also posted on pajeroclub forum.
Would be awesome if social media could flush this low life out. It's probably a better chance than the usual channels!
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Since gumtree is owned by ebay , their so called investigation will mean **** all.
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Have you checked the Westpac account number was correct. There wasn't a digit transposed somewhere? Either accidentally when they gave it to you or when you entered it. Just asking because I've done that before and it took over a week for them to tell me I'd got it wrong
Otherwise hope it's sorted
If it is a scam, they've probably just used someone else's name grabbed from Facebook to seem legit, so I'd be wary of anyone attempting to seek them out by name alone
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Since gumtree is owned by ebay , their so called investigation will mean **** all.
agree... I'd bypass bumtree and head for the cops.
but in reality I'd take a road trip... but then you don't have his addy :(
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Have you checked the Westpac account number was correct. There wasn't a digit transposed somewhere? Either accidentally when they gave it to you or when you entered it. Just asking because I've done that before and it took over a week for them to tell me I'd got it wrong
Otherwise hope it's sorted
If it is a scam, they've probably just used someone else's name grabbed from Facebook to seem legit, so I'd be wary of anyone attempting to seek them out by name alone
Checked with Westpac and the account is legitimate.
Will speak to the Police tomorrow.
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Can you get your bank to reverse the payment ?
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Can you get your bank to reverse the payment ?
Yep x 2 ive done this before
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Can you get your bank to reverse the payment ?
Will speak to the bank tomorrow but I think we were going to be up for fees/charges close to the amount originally transferred?
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I'd rather give the money to the bank than the scammer
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Can you get your bank to reverse the payment ?
so whats to stop anyone buying Shit, direct deposit, get the item, then ask bank for money back ???
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Yep x 2 ive done this before
Which bank? I was of the belief that banks will not reverse a direct deposit transaction.
Cheers
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Get the 200 of us happy to call him at any hour, day or night and leave a message with him for someone called Charles.
Then we'll get Bird to ring and say... "Its Charles here, any messages for me."
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Which bank? I was of the belief that banks will not reverse a direct deposit transaction.
Cheers
Heritage. It was a CC transaction online
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Actually, that is not safe for gumtree. Paypal does not offer buyer and seller protection on gumtree. Gumtree is primarily for face-to-face contact and cash hand-over. For that reason, be very, very careful when doing online transactions on gumtree!
When you want to have an item off gumtree through online transaction, ask the seller to post it on ebay. I just did something similar. The buyer was happy to post it on ebay and I immediately bought the item when it was available. This is the safest way for both buyer and seller as both have (some kind of) protection.
Where does it say in PayPal gumtree is exempt?
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Found it - they have removed gumtree from there policy
https://www.paypal.com/au/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full?locale.x=en_AU#Schedule_1_PayPal_Seller_and_Buyer_Protection_Policies (https://www.paypal.com/au/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full?locale.x=en_AU#Schedule_1_PayPal_Seller_and_Buyer_Protection_Policies)
Your purchase is not for:
Vehicles (including cars, motorcycles, caravans, boats and planes);
Real estate;
Custom made items considered to be “significantly not as described”;
Industrial machinery used in manufacturing;
Items prohibited under our Acceptable Use Policy;
eBay Items that breach eBay's "Prohibited and Restricted Items and Services" policy;
Items you collect in person or arrange to be collected on your behalf; or
Quasi-cash items such as gift cards, pre-paid cards or deal vouchers;
Items listed on Gumtree.
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Heritage. It was a CC transaction online
CC is different to direct deposit :)
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Get the 200 of us happy to call him at any hour, day or night and leave a message with him for someone called Charles.
Then we'll get Bird to ring and say... "Its Charles her, any messages for me."
That is gold :cup:
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Get the 200 of us happy to call him at any hour, day or night and leave a message with him for someone called Charles.
Then we'll get Bird to ring and say... "Its Charles her, any messages for me."
I'm in... :D
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CC is different to direct deposit :)
See learn something everyday
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Wow, it didn't take long for Claire to react on my advertisement on gumtree yesterday.
Only 3 hours or so after putting our Ford Fiesta up for sale I got a text from her.
She asked how much the asking price was. A bit odd I thought as it was clearly stated in the ad.
Anyway I replied by email at her request.
Not much later:
"Thanks for the response,I would have loved to call you directly but due to the nature i work with the The Australian Army Corps. we do not have access to phone at the moment,which is why I contacted you with internet messaging facility.
I am buying this for my first son who just graduated on top of his class at Aviation University ,I want it to be the perfect graduation gift for him and am making it a surprise package ,Does it have any history I should be aware of? and why are you selling if you don't mind my asking. I don't mind adding an extra $300.00 for you just to take down the posting..I am already in talks with freighters that will handle the pickup and delivery .I will really appreciate if you can email more info
Due to the nature of my work i am a very busy woman working all day, am a (Operating officer) am presently on-board, i don't have access to my bank account online as am not with my credit card details here but i have my ANZ bank account link up with my PayPal account so I will be paying you through Account to your nominated bank account or better still is if you have a PayPal account ,please get back to me with your BSB and account details or PayPal account so i can proceed with the payment and contact the courier agent who will come to pick it up and deliver it in NT for my son .Await your reply
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A couple of odd things.
My ad states why I am selling.
She is in the Army Corps and she is on-board. Does the Army has ships? I thought that was the Navy?
Mmmm, what shall I do? ;D
She is in NT.
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I replied saying that I don't have a Paypal account and that payment on pick up is preferred.
Within 30 minutes she replied:
"Thank you for all the details that you sent me i appreciate your honesty with the detailed explanation with regards to your words on the item status.,Just to let you know that am keen and interested in buying the Item. moreover i have a private courier agent that will be coming down for the pick up as soon as you receive your fund and they will also handle all the sign necessary document on my behalf..Am happy to inform you that the fund is ready and available in my PayPal account so am ready to transfer the fund into your nominated bank account as soon as you get back to me with your Account Name Account number and your Bsb number . Waiting to read from you ASAP.i will like you to disregard any kind of call or message concerning this item as I am confirming to you with this email that I am purchasing this item and its funds are ready to be transferred to your account"
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Wow, it didn't take long for Claire to react on my advertisement on gumtree yesterday.
Only 3 hours or so after putting our Ford Fiesta up for sale I got a text from her.
She asked how much the asking price was. A bit odd I thought as it was clearly stated in the ad.
Anyway I replied by email at her request.
Not much later:
"Thanks for the response,I would have loved to call you directly but due to the nature i work with the The Australian Army Corps. we do not have access to phone at the moment,which is why I contacted you with internet messaging facility.
I am buying this for my first son who just graduated on top of his class at Aviation University ,I want it to be the perfect graduation gift for him and am making it a surprise package ,Does it have any history I should be aware of? and why are you selling if you don't mind my asking. I don't mind adding an extra $300.00 for you just to take down the posting..I am already in talks with freighters that will handle the pickup and delivery .I will really appreciate if you can email more info
Due to the nature of my work i am a very busy woman working all day, am a (Operating officer) am presently on-board, i don't have access to my bank account online as am not with my credit card details here but i have my ANZ bank account link up with my PayPal account so I will be paying you through Account to your nominated bank account or better still is if you have a PayPal account ,please get back to me with your BSB and account details or PayPal account so i can proceed with the payment and contact the courier agent who will come to pick it up and deliver it in NT for my son .Await your reply
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A couple of odd things.
My ad states why I am selling.
She is in the Army Corps and she is on-board. Does the Army has ships? I thought that was the Navy?
Mmmm, what shall I do? ;D
She is in NT.
Sounds legit....
Plenty of ideas on here on how to keep it up...
http://www.419eater.com/ (http://www.419eater.com/)
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I would have thought that any Service person would have a better grasp of the English Language.
They need to read write and understand the English Language to eliminate mistakes and confusion when accepting instructions of any kind.
It seems bogus to me, so string 'em along.
In a weeks time message them that you have someone on your front doorstep with cash in hand, ask them if they are still interested.
Keep all the contact info and copies of the messages as well as the source code for the messages.
Source code will show the IP address the messages come from.
I hope Bruce (Bird) will confirm here, when I say "No source code for their message and you won't find them."
Forward to the Federal Coppers, Gumtree and anyone else you feel might need to know.
Only get rid of them by Black listing these oxygen thieves.
Besides, how do you know it's a "She" or whether it's white, Brown, or Brindle.
You only have "The message" to say so.
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I would have thought that any Service person would have a better grasp of the English Language.
And they would know that the Army is made up of Corps(transport, armored, infantry etc.), and there is no such thing as The Army Corps per se.
Which is also why we don't have the Royal Australian Army, unlike the RAN and RAAF. The individual regiments and Corps have the Royal title in their name, so the Army being made from these sub units misses out on the title.
Now there is your useless fact for the day
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:cheers: Hoyks :cup:
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Im an Adelaide swagger. If this all turns out to be a miss understanding Ill gladly collect it for you and get it on its way to you. (unless the person lives 10mins from my house :p)
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It seems bogus to me, so string 'em along.
It's a well known scam.
http://www.scamnet.wa.gov.au/scamnet/Scam_Types-Buying_selling_and_online_sales_scams-Online_car_sales_scam_buyer.htm (http://www.scamnet.wa.gov.au/scamnet/Scam_Types-Buying_selling_and_online_sales_scams-Online_car_sales_scam_buyer.htm)
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if you have the guy's telephone number, you can create all sorts of havoc for him.
a mate of mine had a disagreement with a scumbag. He knew his home address and phone number. He ordered literally dozens of home delivered pizzas to the guys house. When he claimed he didn't place the order, the delivey guy had his name, phone number and address. Eventually no one would accept home delivery orders from him. Gold...!
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Was there a conclusion to this scam, good outcome or none at all ?
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I replied thanking her for confirmation of buying.
Payment on delivery by her private courier agent.
No reply yet.
And it has been 1 hour......
Did she pull out of the sale???
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I've had a boat and a car for sale on ebay and gumtree since late april.
Not a sign of any scammers untill I stumped up some money and put them on carsales and boatsales.
That was in mid may and the 8 emaillers all seemed to work for energy aust in the middle of NT.
Sold them both this week for cash. ;D
Rod
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I meant from the original poster. Wilsurf yours is a definite scam and i wouldnt even waste my time with any correspondence .
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I meant from the original poster. Wilsurf yours is a definite scam and i wouldnt even waste my time with any correspondence .
Well she/he didn't response anymore. :'(
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A very common scam that has caught
Most of us out at some time.. ;D ;D
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Another scam.
Beware of Coles Supermarket carparks.
2 scantily clad blondes posing a window washers approch as you pull up. They offer to clean your windows for a small fee. One lady disrobes and seductively starts to scrub your windows while the other climbs into the back seat with you and makes mad and passionate love to you.
This is the scam. While one of them is making love to you the other steals your wallet!
BEWARE!!!! THIS IS A SCAM. Do not fall for it like me.
I had my wallet stolen on Friday, Saterday, Twice on Monday and 3 times again yesterday.
FYI. the Reject Shop sell wallets for $2ea.
Sent from my GT-I9507 using Tapatalk
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I received an offer for my Camper Trailer on Gumtree that was too good to be true from lenon8088@gmail.com. After enquiring if it was still available they offered to buy it and have it shipped. This was VERY suspicious considering they didn't ask anything about the trailer and had contacted the courier to pick it up despite not knowing the address. Not to mention he doesn't have phone access.
The email:
"Thanks for getting back,i'm pleased with the price and the condition as described on the advert,I work on a remote mine site, Energy Resources of Australia Ltd (ERA) Darwin NT.We do not have access to phone at the moment and that's why I contacted you with internet messaging facility,Does it have any history I should be aware of and why are you selling?
Regarding the payment,i will be paying you through PayPal linked up with my westpac bank account,please get back to me with your BSB,Acct name & Number so i can process the payment,you can alternatively send your PayPal payment details as i can also pay into your Paypal acct.
I've contacted my courier who will come for pick up and deliver it to my place in Darwin after the whole fund has been cleared into your acct.
A goggle search showed this exact email use in various Caravan and Vehicle scams, sometimes just working in different remote locations but most of it was word for word.
You read a lot of these and think that would never happen to me! Wrong!
This achieves nothing other than pissing people off.
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This achieves nothing other than pissing people off.
Depends on whose perspective you are talking about. The scammers are pretty successful. $229 million last year.
https://www.scamwatch.gov.au/news/australians-lose-over-229-million-to-scams-in-2015 (https://www.scamwatch.gov.au/news/australians-lose-over-229-million-to-scams-in-2015)
KB
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I don't even look at Gumtree anymore...