Post by: muzza01 on September 24, 2014, 07:16:24 PM
About two weeks ago, driving to hardware store at lunch time I encounter a rider going the wrong way around the roundabout, cuts me off and gives me the look as if I was supposed to give way to him ???
This morning on the way to work, peak hour (well 0655) intersection of Cairns Bypass road and Aumuller ST which is probably the busiest intersection in Cairns. Anyway, I am stationary at intersection as I have a red light. Light changes to green, I start to drive through intersection when push bike rider comes flying in from my right (obviously went through red light). I slam on brakes, I just pull up in time then I am pi55ed off and let him have it with my horn. He gives me finger and continues through intersection. ???
In case the other states weren't aware, we have new rules in QLD where if passing a pushbike you must give them 1 meter clearance if in a 60km/h zone or less or 1.5 meters if above 60km zone. This afternoon driving along the main road out of the city I see a push bike rider riding on the road about 0.5 of a meter to the right of the actual bike lane???. Apparently riders don't have to ride in the bike lane but what really cheesed me off was the the bike rider was wearing his bike club shirt and on the back of the shirt in large letters was "SHARE THE ROAD". WTF!! Now tell me that's not ironic.
I know there are idiot car drivers that break the laws too but the last 8 weeks or so have been very busy for idiot bike riders.
Post by: oldmate on September 24, 2014, 07:19:38 PM
but im with you muzza, the amount of them you see running reds around here on the GC is crazy.
Post by: D4D on September 24, 2014, 07:20:04 PM
Post by: Bird on September 24, 2014, 07:40:26 PM
Agree, they're a law unto themselves. Working in the CBD I see them running red lights and breaking the law all the time. I have started to yell at them typically starting with 'hey fwit, you just ran a red light, you're supposed to stop'. It is amusing to see the responses, especially last week when a uniformed member of the constabulary was standing beside me waiting to walk across the road :)and didn't do anything about it???
Post by: StrvnMrvn on September 24, 2014, 07:46:51 PM
Video footage is the best way to keep them from getting away with it, especially when the cops have to rock up because of an accident!
My mate was stopped at the lights, indicator on to turn left and a cyclist pulled up beside him and stopped. But instead of unclipping his foot, he grabbed onto the bull bar on the front of his ute!! WTF!!! My mate wanted to turn left, so slowly moved when the light changed and got a mouth full because he 'inconvienienced' a lazy cyclist!!
Post by: edz on September 24, 2014, 08:13:10 PM
Going on the close calls Ive been in and seen each week around here its a wonder the local morgue isnt full of them ..
Post by: Elky on September 24, 2014, 08:24:40 PM
One thing i have noticed with road bike users is they take risks based on their right of way, righteousness does not guarantee safety! what good is telling peter at the pearly gates "i had right of way!" One problem with a road bike is that the tyres pinch flat easily, and the verge is always littered with stones and garbage hence why some ride closer to traffic flow, some just do it to the extreme because they legally can as does riding 2 abreast.
most cyclists do the right thing but as is always the case there is always bad apples!
Post by: Dingo0163 on September 24, 2014, 08:26:01 PM
15 kg bike 1800kg 4x4, " bike " what bike ... They should have to be registered to use the roads and made to wear a slip over high vis vest with the rego number visible at all times ..That's a great idea. If they have a rego number on a hi-vis it's one way they can be identified :police:
Going on the close calls Ive been in and seen each week around here its a wonder the local morgue isnt full of them ..
Post by: Diesel Power on September 24, 2014, 08:33:49 PM
Regards
Post by: weeds on September 24, 2014, 08:52:22 PM
See cars doing the wrong thing way more than bikes......there are more car accident than bike
Post by: MrHorsepower on September 24, 2014, 08:55:28 PM
Post by: dazzler on September 24, 2014, 09:03:57 PM
Fair dinkum. They must be half woman.
:-[
Post by: TheWall on September 24, 2014, 09:33:13 PM
Why the us against the time? I ride 200klm a week for fitness as there are few other activities that my rugby ruined knees can handle. I know the new rules have made cycling far safer for all road users. Yep, there are some silly bike riders but I sometimes cannot say I love the high horse attitude of the "car" side.
Couple of points
I get there are stupid bike riders but it is other car and truck drivers that will kill me if I am not careful.
I pay rego on both of my cars (and my camper of course!) so I figure I contribute enough to the roads.
Why are you not posting on all of the cars and trucks that you have had close calls with?
Rego plates on vehicles does not stop them from speeding, running red lights, crossing double lines etc etc. Not to mention scaring the beejebees out of cyclists for the sake of 2-3 seconds gain. A case in point is three times in the past couple of weeks I have had cars trying to enter roundabouts at the same time as me when I am doing 35k/hr. Would they try that on another car or a motorbike?
The reason some cyclists ride near the lane or on the lane is that they do want to be in the door zone or there is debri that can cause a puncture or wheel failure. Both not fun at high speed...
I also am a member of bike forum and the videos of stupid motorists are truly frightening.
And if cars aren't bad enough, then there are the Magpies we have to worry about!!!! :-)
Riding a bike has certainly made a better driver.
Post by: discoteddy on September 24, 2014, 09:37:15 PM
and didn't do anything about it???
Just a warning for offensive language. ;D ;D
Cheers,
Disco teddy.
Post by: Marcus73 on September 24, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
I pay rego on both of my cars (and my camper of course!) so I figure I contribute enough to the roads.
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I pay for 3 cars and 2 trailers, so does this mean if I wanted a motorbike I won't need to register it?
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Post by: TheWall on September 24, 2014, 09:58:12 PM
Post by: noel_w on September 24, 2014, 10:04:47 PM
Post by: Marcus73 on September 24, 2014, 10:05:45 PM
Marcus73...the logic you follow is infallible...Why not charge pedestrians, skateboarders, rollerbladers etc etc etc?
Because as a rule they're not using the road
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Post by: TheWall on September 24, 2014, 10:14:59 PM
Because as a rule they're not using the road
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Lol. Makes sense now! Must remember to charge walkers next time I am out on a bike track. Or perhaps charge families for having the hide to play on the Teewah or Fraser Island beaches. They are roads right???
Maybe it is all a conspiracy as us cyclists ( who remember drive cars too) just love to charge car users as we were around 1st and you came along later. :-)
Ever considered that there is actually less traffic, more car parking spots, and less wear on tear on roads, less pollution, less heart disease, better health etc etc because of cyclists?
Be patient out there, lives depend on it.
Post by: TheWall on September 24, 2014, 10:20:17 PM
Post by: Marcus73 on September 24, 2014, 10:23:10 PM
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Post by: NewieCamper on September 24, 2014, 10:58:41 PM
I'm a cyclist and ride a fair bit. It scares me that people think it's funny to say that running a cyclist down is 'what they deserve'. I want to be able to get from a to b in one piece, sharing the road with everyone else, which incidentally doesn't mean that I must get out of the way for every car, nor does it mean that when there is space on the shoulder that I won't ride clear of the faster traffic.
Post by: ATC on September 24, 2014, 11:19:08 PM
Threre is no shoulder that the bikes can go onto, and the road is very windy, with blind curves and double yellow lines.
We were behind a few bikes, I told the daughter that if she was on the bike would she think it safe to be passed?
Each time she though it might be Ok, a car came around a blind curve.
Eventually came to a long uphill section, his mate pulled ahead, and the crossed (to start another circuit), then as his slightly overweight mate struggled up the hil he saw the long line of traffic he was holding up.
We were delayed a little bit, but im sure his mate game him a ribbing for being so slow & I expect he was able to go home to his family.
I used to ride a bike, didn't like getting hit & knocked off by a car!
Recently saw a motor bike rider come off - !@#$%
ATC
Post by: edz on September 25, 2014, 12:21:02 AM
Can't for the life of me see how anyone thought mixing a minority light realatively slow transport with a majority of heavy faster moving transport on crowded thin road ways would be a good thing ..
Bit like putting a pedo in a primary school, you can bet ya life at some point in time its not going to end well .
Post by: TheWall on September 25, 2014, 07:10:48 AM
1. A hundred vehicles who were kind, considerate & respectful of other road users.
2. Only one bike rider observed breaking road rules...me as I hit 66 down a hill before I had to slow for a dawdling car. There was a really fast group out who were often riding two abreast but they avge 50klm so they do not hold up cars much at all!
3. 7 less than one metre passes, three of those were 4x4's, with the worst being passed whilst doing 40ks around a corner with the car and the trailers left wheels were over the White line and the shoulder was less than a metre wide itself. Almost let out a poo! Scary as and completely avoidable and uneccessary. Will be getting front and rear camera's shortly.
4. Had to ride in the lane despite there being a shoulder on much of the journey as there are trees that encroach, broken glass(dropped by cyclists ya think?), broken gutters and multiple pot holes.
5. A motorcyclist who over took a car through two road islands and across double lines and around a blind Cnr
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Oh and No 6 was another Magpie strike
Post by: dazzler on September 25, 2014, 07:54:21 AM
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Post by: Bird on September 25, 2014, 07:56:24 AM
Someone grab a violin for gods sake.
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Post by: dazzler on September 25, 2014, 07:57:03 AM
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Post by: Green rv on September 25, 2014, 07:59:23 AM
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if they're going to make rule and laws they should ban pedal clips these things are dangerous!!!
the last thing i want to do is kill someone, but nearly did of no fault of my own when a bloke lost balance and tipped over which would have been directly under my ps wheel. i near pooped myself wonder how old mate felt?
one more, in fear of a flat tyre on the road.. get damn road tyres ...
to heavy you say ... get over it ...
when you want to race put your damn race tyres on (you will go faster as you've been training on your heavy wheels)
no use being self righteous if what you're doing on the road ends up with you dead or on youtube
everyone wants you to stuff up so they can capture the next funniest video
think about what you're doing and stay safe
thats my pov
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Post by: Bird on September 25, 2014, 08:01:42 AM
Quote from: dazzler
Thank you dear sir. I bet HE rides a bike too!
Come on, we haven't had a bike whinge thread in at last 2 weeks...
blah blah blah bike riders make me
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Post by: JD-120 on September 25, 2014, 08:13:29 AM
ever not come to a complete stop at a stop sign
ever exceeded the speed limit while over taking
Ever parked in a handicap space, a senior space or a no parking space
Jay walked or dropped a ciggi on the ground
ever chucked a sickie, thats probably fraud
is all this really worth getting bothered about.
The original post was about a rise in recent bicycle related incidents with a finishing admission that there are idiots in cars as well. We always seem to get our shirts off over stupid crud like this
Why do they pick on 4x4's where there is a crash involving a 4by and a sedan? Who cares. Its media, they get paid for clicks. News articles with the most clicks find their way to the top of the page.
Post by: edz on September 25, 2014, 08:35:17 AM
Post by: time on September 25, 2014, 08:42:41 AM
Post by: Bird on September 25, 2014, 08:53:58 AM
Post by: dmax13 on September 25, 2014, 12:36:20 PM
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/pedal-power-vicroads-considers-allowing-cyclists-to-run-red-lights/story-fni0fit3-1227055875630?nk=763bd2dacf25381a779833e1b86ab1aa
The biggest issue is that the lanes have become narrower to cope with the increased traffic of all different types. This is especially true in the city, with the introduction of the elevated tram stops. If you now look at many new estates there is not enough room for cars to park and the traffic to flow.
Until all levels of government start to invest in infrastructure, this problem will continue to grow as will the angst for all.
Post by: Symon on September 25, 2014, 12:46:15 PM
Get over it.......if a cyclist is in the wrong and gets cleaned up it no difference to a car being in the wrong and getting cleaned up.
See cars doing the wrong thing way more than bikes......there are more car accident than bike
Source for this statistic? Or are you just making this up?
Post by: grafy82 on September 25, 2014, 01:19:44 PM
Post by: Bird on September 25, 2014, 01:28:03 PM
Post by: briann532 on September 25, 2014, 05:28:02 PM
At the end of the day it doesn't matter who's right or wrong, it comes down to 2 very important words. SELF PRESERVATION. Being within your rights will not keep you out of a pine box.
Ah well said..................
Better to be alive than correct!
I've just given up. I'll be wrong all the time, I no longer care, I just want to keep living as long as I can........ :D
Brian
Post by: Rumpig on September 25, 2014, 05:39:43 PM
Post by: JD-120 on September 25, 2014, 05:41:45 PM
hoons the lot of them those cycylist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wsluK2aJq8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wsluK2aJq8)
this is blatant double standards, if this was a motor vehicle, it would be impounded, fines incurred and loss of license :police: ;D
Post by: whitey1 on September 25, 2014, 06:27:46 PM
I also ride motorbikes and that has taught me to always assume that drivers don't see me! Because quite often they don't. That would be the same for a pushy(or even more so).
I do get annoyed with cyclists on the road when there's a perfectly good cycleway right alongside too.
Post by: dazzler on September 25, 2014, 06:42:57 PM
If a bike gets hit by a car they go squish.
If a bike hits a car they still go squish.
:D
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 26, 2014, 06:25:43 AM
You know, I get cyclist whining like poodles.
If a bike gets hit by a car they go squish.
If a bike hits a car they still go squish.
:D
Mate, nothing a good hose can't fix to get rid of the blood and guts, but I do hate it when a wheel gets stuck in the suspension though.
Back and forth, back and forth.....boinnng...there it goes, all good again.
Add one more stamp to the door and go hunting again. :D
Post by: Bullant4x4 on September 26, 2014, 06:42:04 AM
Post by: Marcus73 on September 26, 2014, 07:02:38 AM
Sent from the machine that goes..... Bing!
Post by: 1302toby on September 26, 2014, 08:58:09 AM
Post by: Green rv on September 26, 2014, 09:06:48 AM
.the cyclists called the police one day who called the ranger who fined us. I took the dog back next door and left the fine in the mail box..
now thats funny made me LOL :cheers: mate :D :D :D
Post by: jillybean on September 26, 2014, 10:11:31 AM
I am a 56 year old wife, mother, grandmother, aunt, accountant, surf lifesaver, driver - and road cyclist.
Post by: time on September 26, 2014, 10:34:45 AM
http://youtu.be/ZdDxjge5hmY (http://youtu.be/ZdDxjge5hmY)
Post by: tourin n fishin on September 26, 2014, 10:40:21 AM
Post by: BigJules on September 26, 2014, 10:49:02 AM
Whether you're riding a bike, driving your 4wby, wheeling your child in a pram or perambulating on shanks pony, try to have some awareness of others around you and be considerate, understand the impact of your actions on the rest of the world.
Edit: same when you're posting in this and other threads.
Post by: Bullant4x4 on September 26, 2014, 11:24:12 AM
You tell em Jules :)
Post by: fishfinder on September 26, 2014, 11:39:52 AM
Post by: dazzler on September 26, 2014, 12:05:16 PM
In life, try not to be a f#ckwit.
Whether you're riding a bike, driving your 4wby, wheeling your child in a pram or perambulating on shanks pony, try to have some awareness of others around you and be considerate, understand the impact of your actions on the rest of the world.
Edit: same when you're posting in this and other threads.
Sank you glasshopper... :D
Post by: Symon on September 26, 2014, 01:46:04 PM
Post by: cancan on September 26, 2014, 03:27:27 PM
Sorry about predictive text. . Boarding plane so can't edit
Post by: pinarelloman on September 27, 2014, 12:19:35 AM
Post by: Topender on September 27, 2014, 12:22:55 AM
I have been cycling a long time & these cowboys who run red lights & break the road rules give us all a bad name.
^^^^ What he said x2
Post by: trevc on September 27, 2014, 12:56:22 PM
Mate, nothing a good hose can't fix to get rid of the blood and guts, but I do hate it when a wheel gets stuck in the suspension though.
Back and forth, back and forth.....boinnng...there it goes, all good again.
Add one more stamp to the door and go hunting again. :D
My sisters husband ended up under a dump truck whilst cycling, killed instantly. Left behind a grieving family and 3 month old child.
So whilst you boof heads make jokes about squishing bike riders, punching them out and setting dogs on them stop and consider that they are husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters.
Post by: shanegtr on September 27, 2014, 01:26:34 PM
Post by: richee on September 27, 2014, 01:59:02 PM
My sisters husband ended up under a dump truck whilst cycling, killed instantly. Left behind a grieving family and 3 month old child.
So whilst you boof heads make jokes about squishing bike riders, punching them out and setting dogs on them stop and consider that they are husbands, wives, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters.
So sad and very well said!
Post by: Bullant4x4 on September 27, 2014, 03:14:11 PM
Post by: JD-120 on September 27, 2014, 06:21:24 PM
it's your choice
It is everyone's choice how they commute, how they relax, how they keep fit, how they spend time with their family on the weekends. I commute to work on a road bike through Brisbane city. I understand certain things are out of my control (like the lady a few weeks a go @ sth brisbane who was stationary at an intersection waiting to go when she was cleaned up by a semi from behind) but I do expect the motorists around me to be capable of driving safely with cyclists and pedestrians.
Sh!t happens, I get that, but more sh!t happens when people are not paying attention, or commuting (via bicycle or vehicle) in an unsafe manner. There needs to be a greater awareness from both sides of this fence.
People who "choose" to commute via a push bike should not expect to be punched by passengers in passing cars. That is not the choice they are making. Quite frankly, idiots like this should be in jail getting their just desserts from Big Bubba.
It would be quite ironic that they in-turn would be a bicycle "of sorts"
Post by: TheWall on September 27, 2014, 06:29:14 PM
"Let alone their belief they have as much right to take up the road".... Ummmm. They do! :-)
"If you go swimming and get attacked by a shark, don't be surprised." Ummmm. Sharks hunt by instinct...are you saying cars drivers have no choice but to run down bikes?
" If you smoke and end up with lung cancer, don't go crying foul." Ummmmm. Seriously?
"I would never put myself at risk to fast moving metal at slow speed and put the ownest on another person for my safety." Ummmmm. Leaving aside the speed differential, the fact is you put your life (and anyone travelling with you) in the hands of 1000's of complete strangers every time you go for a drive mate.
"it's your choice, cars don't have one." Ummmmm. This one is my favourite. Thanks for leaving the best to last. You are right...cars don't have a choice...but their drivers do! A little bit of patience and courtesy by all will see everyone get home safely.
Oh, went for a ride this morning and can happily say that there were no close passes and did not see a bike rider break any rules.
Still got attacked by the same Magpie.
Post by: Topender on September 27, 2014, 07:15:07 PM
Bullant....thanks for providing the most hilarious post of this thread buddy...
"Let alone their belief they have as much right to take up the road".... Ummmm. They do! :-)
"If you go swimming and get attacked by a shark, don't be surprised." Ummmm. Sharks hunt by instinct...are you saying cars drivers have no choice but to run down bikes?
" If you smoke and end up with lung cancer, don't go crying foul." Ummmmm. Seriously?
"I would never put myself at risk to fast moving metal at slow speed and put the ownest on another person for my safety." Ummmmm. Leaving aside the speed differential, the fact is you put your life (and anyone travelling with you) in the hands of 1000's of complete strangers every time you go for a drive mate.
"it's your choice, cars don't have one." Ummmmm. This one is my favourite. Thanks for leaving the best to last. You are right...cars don't have a choice...but their drivers do! A little bit of patience and courtesy by all will see everyone get home safely.
Oh, went for a ride this morning and can happily say that there were no close passes and did not see a bike rider break any rules.
Still got attacked by the same Magpie.
Well said......it's amazing that some people are "allowed" to breed. Scary thought really and No idea.
Post by: weeds on September 27, 2014, 08:53:03 PM
Source for this statistic? Or are you just making this up?
No stats........I just reckon there are more car accidents involving another car than than car and bike accidents..........based on what I have seen driving and riding around over the last 25 years.
Post by: Bullant4x4 on September 27, 2014, 09:15:29 PM
Post by: Topender on September 27, 2014, 09:25:58 PM
All I can add is I don't care! I drive.
Enjoy rehab and........
No Conversation Exists :D - Good old BF Vietnam :D
Good old enjoy Bubbas "special" cuddles ;D
Post by: Malcolm Tugless on September 27, 2014, 09:38:40 PM
Post by: trevc on September 27, 2014, 10:23:44 PM
Sorry to hear richee. And my following words are not direct to you, just MHO
I've lost cousins, friends and mates to motorcycle accidents. I use to ride motorbikes since I was 5yr. My cousin slid under a car and snapped his neck (Not his fault). Another went into the side of a car and severed his head (His fault, 150km through Heidelberg cutting).
Most cyclists bring danger to the road as they are too slow and don't have the power and speed to get themselves out of danger! Let alone their belief they have as much right to take up the road.
If you go swimming and get attacked by a shark, don't be surprised. If you smoke and end up with lung cancer, don't go crying foul.
I would never put myself at risk to fast moving metal at slow speed and put the ownest on another person for my safety.
Too slow, most are erratic, no power to avoid danger. If you want to risk life to peddle to work, it's your choice, cars don't have one.
Don't disagree at all, ride a bike either pedal or motor powered I reckon it's a numbers game.
What I strongly disagree with is these blokes that make a joke out of injuring or killing cyclists, like they are less than human.
Post by: edz on September 28, 2014, 12:42:07 AM
Post by: RobM on September 28, 2014, 07:28:04 AM
Rob
Post by: Ratbag on September 28, 2014, 09:31:19 AM
In life, try not to be a f#ckwit.
Whether you're riding a bike, driving your 4wby, wheeling your child in a pram or perambulating on shanks pony, try to have some awareness of others around you and be considerate, understand the impact of your actions on the rest of the world.
Edit: same when you're posting in this and other threads.
:cup: +1
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Further to the above, how about some factual information regarding the topic?
e.g. from the TAC Victoria, here:
http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/road-safety/statistics/road-safety-statistical-summary (http://www.tac.vic.gov.au/road-safety/statistics/road-safety-statistical-summary)
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Post by: sol on September 28, 2014, 11:01:05 AM
:cheers:
Post by: edz on September 28, 2014, 12:45:26 PM
Post by: Symon on September 28, 2014, 04:16:22 PM
No stats........I just reckon there are more car accidents involving another car than than car and bike accidents..........based on what I have seen driving and riding around over the last 25 years.
So no tangible statistics then. How about you have a look at something like this - http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/bad-cycle-of-errors-for-queensland-riders-with-many-flouting-road-rules/story-fnihsrf2-1226879366815?nk=ff942b4ea84401b01986c1a8da4f7444 (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/bad-cycle-of-errors-for-queensland-riders-with-many-flouting-road-rules/story-fnihsrf2-1226879366815?nk=ff942b4ea84401b01986c1a8da4f7444)
As a pedestrian in Brisbane I have never had an experience where I was almost cleaned up by a motorist, however I have lost count of the number of near misses I've had with cyclists, especially ones that run red lights and play chicken with people crossing the road USING PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS. This 'holier than thou' attitude of cyclists is sickening.
The reality is there are just as many idiot cyclists out there as there are idiot motorists. To make a sweeping statement that motorists are worse without any tangible evidence is doing nothing but fueling the debate and the 'he said, she said' rhetoric.
Post by: Bullant4x4 on September 28, 2014, 05:17:11 PM
Post by: disco2 on September 30, 2014, 08:01:03 AM
So no tangible statistics then. How about you have a look at something like this - http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/bad-cycle-of-errors-for-queensland-riders-with-many-flouting-road-rules/story-fnihsrf2-1226879366815?nk=ff942b4ea84401b01986c1a8da4f7444 (http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/bad-cycle-of-errors-for-queensland-riders-with-many-flouting-road-rules/story-fnihsrf2-1226879366815?nk=ff942b4ea84401b01986c1a8da4f7444)
As a pedestrian in Brisbane I have never had an experience where I was almost cleaned up by a motorist, however I have lost count of the number of near misses I've had with cyclists, especially ones that run red lights and play chicken with people crossing the road USING PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS. This 'holier than thou' attitude of cyclists is sickening.
The reality is there are just as many idiot cyclists out there as there are idiot motorists. To make a sweeping statement that motorists are worse without any tangible evidence is doing nothing but fueling the debate and the 'he said, she said' rhetoric.
The only way to get the Government to address this issue is to write to your local State Member of Parliament , plus the Minister for Transport.
IMHO if bicycle riders were easier to identify (Rego plates) and then reported to Police and fined, then some, if not the majority of their bad behaviour issues would be stopped and indeed lives saved.
Now before I get jumped on, the plates can be handed out for free, but be mandatory to display clearly. (If the Govt can waste huge sums of money on the G20) then getting prisoners to make plastic Rego plates for bike riders would help address 2 issues.
Kids, in the majority of cases cannot afford the cost of Rego plates, plus I'm sure that there are other legal ramifications if under 18's had to pay Rego fees.
If you don't want the plates part to be implemented, then just get everyone you know to write to the Transport minister PLUS your Local State Member of Parliament and complain about this silly law. Point out that it is crazy/dangerous for motorists to have to cross over double white lines just to comply with the 1 meter and 1.5 meter rule. Point out that bicycle riders are doing the wrong thing- give examples BUT be polite.
If the minister gets innundated enough, then he may carry out his threat to scrap this silly law after the 2 year trial period.
Sitting on your hands doing nothing gets us no where. I don't know about you, but on the Gold Coast, I see the stupid actions of bicycle riders every day. My local member of Parliament wrote back and in part of the reply stated, "Bicycle riders don't like to be identified". Well stuff 'em.
The power is in our hands.
Cheers
Richard
Post by: Topender on September 30, 2014, 12:43:55 PM
Post by: jillybean on September 30, 2014, 03:46:34 PM
The only way to get the Government to address this issue is to write to your local State Member of Parliament , plus the Minister for Transport.
IMHO if bicycle riders were easier to identify (Rego plates) and then reported to Police and fined, then some, if not the majority of their bad behaviour issues would be stopped and indeed lives saved. You mean just like cars have a rego number to make them easy to identify? How well has this worked to stop bad drivers and accidents? When was the last time you phoned the police to report the rego of a car you saw running a red light, not stopping at a stop sign, almost cleaning up a pedestrian etc?
Now before I get jumped on, the plates can be handed out for free, but be mandatory to display clearly. (If the Govt can waste huge sums of money on the G20) then getting prisoners to make plastic Rego plates for bike riders would help address 2 issues.
Kids, in the majority of cases cannot afford the cost of Rego plates, plus I'm sure that there are other legal ramifications if under 18's had to pay Rego fees.
If you don't want the plates part to be implemented, then just get everyone you know to write to the Transport minister PLUS your Local State Member of Parliament and complain about this silly law. Point out that it is crazy/dangerous for motorists to have to cross over double white lines just to comply with the 1 meter and 1.5 meter rule. Point out that bicycle riders are doing the wrong thing- give examples BUT be polite. If it is dangerous to cross double white lines to comply with the rule when overtaking cyclists then YOU SHOULD NOT BE OVERTAKING! The whole idea of this rule is to get drivers to understand that if you cannot safely give a cyclist a 1 or 1.5 metre clearance then YOU SHOULD NOT OVERTAKE. I am sick of hearing drivers complain that giving a cyclist 1 metre clearance will put them in the line of oncoming traffic - how much clearer can it be! If giving a cyclist 1 or 1.5 metre clearance puts you in a dangerous position THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE OVERTAKING!!!
If the minister gets innundated enough, then he may carry out his threat to scrap this silly law after the 2 year trial period.
Sitting on your hands doing nothing gets us no where. I don't know about you, but on the Gold Coast, I see the stupid actions of bicycle riders every day. My local member of Parliament wrote back and in part of the reply stated, "Bicycle riders don't like to be identified". Well stuff 'em.
The power is in our hands.
Cheers
Richard
Post by: richee on September 30, 2014, 03:54:04 PM
Post by: edz on September 30, 2014, 04:12:37 PM
Post by: Topender on September 30, 2014, 04:29:46 PM
Like I said cycling is only getting more popular by the second and a bit of courtesy helps both ways. And people making threats and telling wonderful stories of what their "mates" have done on a public forum should also be aware that people have been charged in the past and will no doubt be in the future. :police:
Dave
Post by: Topender on September 30, 2014, 04:35:38 PM
No comments! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbB3-0y8QtQ#ws)
The girl in Black is a Cyclist (highly skilled and in for the long haul) and the lovely girl in Red isn't (she's off writing a letter to her local Member/Pole Turtle as we speak) >:D >:D >:D
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on September 30, 2014, 05:55:58 PM
Post by: disco2 on September 30, 2014, 06:00:50 PM
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You would be amazed what can be achieved by writing to your local member Topender/Jillybean. Especially one who is there by a slim margin.
When writing you can use this as an example of bicyclists arrogance. Some of them expect motorists to amble along patiently behind them on busy roads whilst they leisurely ride 2 abreast at 5kmh.
As for the Police not taking action. Well listen up Sunshine, they (the Police) state that if you capture a stupid incident on your dash cam, give a copy to them . They will take action.
Post by: oldmate on September 30, 2014, 06:52:28 PM
Post by: monbeg on September 30, 2014, 06:59:50 PM
Post by: muzza01 on September 30, 2014, 07:00:06 PM
Is this thread still going ::) ;D ;D
Just. I might help it along :cheers:
You can't help but cross the double lines sometimes. I live near the Gillies Range and have to travel part way down and up everyday. This is one road where cyclists should never be allowed to travel on. The Gillies range is double lines all the way except a couple of overtaking lanes. There are no bike lanes on this road, it has over 250 tight bends in only a 20 km stretch all this with a very steep climb of about 800 meters.
Weekend cyclists consider riding up the range a challenge so it can be popular at times. Sometimes they selfishly ride two abreast on this skinny road and I would like to emphasise how dangerous it is to cross the double lines as one side of the road is against a rock face the other has a ridiculously steep dropoff.
Post by: grafy82 on September 30, 2014, 07:06:54 PM
[If you don't want the plates part to be implemented, then just get everyone you know to write to the Transport minister PLUS your Local State Member of Parliament and complain about this silly law. Point out that it is crazy/dangerous for motorists to have to cross over double white lines just to comply with the 1 meter and 1.5 meter rule. Point out that bicycle riders are doing the wrong thing- give examples BUT be polite. If it is dangerous to cross double white lines to comply with the rule when overtaking cyclists then YOU SHOULD NOT BE OVERTAKING! The whole idea of this rule is to get drivers to understand that if you cannot safely give a cyclist a 1 or 1.5 metre clearance then YOU SHOULD NOT OVERTAKE. I am sick of hearing drivers complain that giving a cyclist 1 metre clearance will put them in the line of oncoming traffic - how much clearer can it be! If giving a cyclist 1 or 1.5 metre clearance puts you in a dangerous position THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE OVERTAKING!!!X2
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You would be amazed what can be achieved by writing to your local member Topender/Jillybean. Especially one who is there by a slim margin.
When writing you can use this as an example of bicyclists arrogance. Some of them expect motorists to amble along patiently behind them on busy roads whilst they leisurely ride 2 abreast at 5kmh.
As for the Police not taking action. Well listen up Sunshine, they (the Police) state that if you capture a stupid incident on your dash cam, give a copy to them . They will take action.
I cant remember the exact figures but its surprising what writing to members can achieve. And remember, they only care about votes, so for example if the member receives a petition he classes that as 1 vote per signature. If someone writes to him he classes that as being worth 1000 votes, etc, etc. Its only because we don't speak up that we get the politicians we have and their decisions to boot. But that's for another thread ;D
Is this thread still going ::) ;D ;D
Muzza started it ;D
Post by: time on September 30, 2014, 07:10:43 PM
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If I drove my car at 5 kph blocking all traffic I sure I would be booked for hindering (or some such), apply the same rule to any other mode of transport that does the same and I will be happy.
PS my 3 ton urban assault vehicle doesn't care if you are in the right or wrong if you come off a footpath straight in front of me don't be surprised if you end up examining my sump plug !
Post by: grafy82 on September 30, 2014, 07:15:03 PM
Just. I might help it along :cheers:
You can't help but cross the double lines sometimes. I live near the Gillies Range and have to travel part way down and up everyday. This is one road where cyclists should never be allowed to travel on. The Gillies range is double lines all the way except a couple of overtaking lanes. There are no bike lanes on this road, it has over 250 tight bends in only a 20 km stretch all this with a very steep climb of about 800 meters.
Weekend cyclists consider riding up the range a challenge so it can be popular at times. Sometimes they selfishly ride two abreast on this skinny road and I would like to emphasise how dangerous it is to cross the double lines as one side of the road is against a rock face the other has a ridiculously steep dropoff.
You're dead right Muzza, especially on roads like that. As I said earlier, you would think self preservation would kick in but I think some cyclists are to busy demanding that they have a right to do whatever they want to care too much about others. It's the old me, me, me, the world owes me something attitude that'll get you in trouble, riding or driving.
Post by: Oldandslow on September 30, 2014, 07:18:44 PM
Is this thread still going ::) ;D ;D
It's just getting warmed up.
I rode bikes to work for years but always on the cycleway when there was one and obeyed the road rules when on the road. It should be made law to use a cycleway where one is provided, safer for the cyclist and drivers.
Unfortunately there is a wanker minority that use bikes. They are easy to pick out riding three and four abreast, riding to the front at the lights and then holding everyone up when the lights change. They give the considerate cyclist's a bad rap and they do it with immunity. There is no requirement to carry ID when cycling so most times the cops will turn a blind eye to indiscretions. They know from experience that they are unlikely to get a correct name when they question a cyclist that has done the wrong thing.
I pay through the nose to drive my car on the roads and have to abide by the laws or accept the consequences yet cyclists use the roads for free and can do what they like. Any person that thinks this is fare is out of touch with the thinking of the general public. At the very least it should be mandatory that the police can identify cyclists either by some form of licence or registration of their bike.
Post by: JD-120 on September 30, 2014, 07:24:03 PM
I pay through the nose to drive my car on the roads and have to abide by the laws or accept the consequences yet cyclists use the roads for free and can do what they like.
YEAH, and those pedestrians, walking on the side walk, they should pay too!!!
And my kids, riding their bikes outside my house on the road for exercise instead on being on the xbox or tv, sign me up, where can I pay?
Post by: grafy82 on September 30, 2014, 07:29:03 PM
Post by: Bullant4x4 on September 30, 2014, 07:34:01 PM
Post by: monbeg on September 30, 2014, 07:40:32 PM
I pay through the nose to drive my car on the roads and have to abide by the laws or accept the consequences yet cyclists use the roads for free and can do what they like.
I am not taking any sides in this discussion but I feel that it is necessary to highlight some completely incorrect statements such as the one I have quoted above.
I am not sure how much thought you have put into this comment but if you seem to be of the completely misguided belief that your vehicle fees pay for the roads.
THAT IS NOT THE CASE !
Roads are funded from general revenue which every taxpayer contributes to, cyclists too.
Regarding a previous comment about riding two abreast, that is the law, they are legally allowed to, it pisses me off sometimes too but I am aware of some of the legalities of the road rules.
Vehicles are permitted on all roads (except some freeways) and here are the definitions of what a vehicle is (including some other worthwhile reading that some may need)...
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_reg/arr210/s15.html (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_reg/arr210/s15.html)
Post by: Oldandslow on September 30, 2014, 07:54:44 PM
I am not taking any sides in this discussion but I feel that it is necessary to highlight some completely incorrect statements such as the one I have quoted above.
I am not sure how much thought you have put into this comment but if you seem to be of the completely misguided belief that your vehicle fees pay for the roads.
THAT IS NOT THE CASE !
Roads are funded from general revenue which every taxpayer contributes to, cyclists too.
I never said the money I pay to drive my car on the roads actually goes to pay for the roads.
Regarding a previous comment about riding two abreast, that is the law, they are legally allowed to, it pisses me off sometimes too but I am aware of some of the legalities of the road rules.
Vehicles are permitted on all roads (except some freeways) and here are the definitions of what a vehicle is (including some other worthwhile reading that some may need)...
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_reg/arr210/s15.html (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/sa/consol_reg/arr210/s15.html)
Post by: monbeg on September 30, 2014, 08:06:03 PM
http://www.bicycleinfo.nsw.gov.au/get_riding/nsw_road_rules.html (http://www.bicycleinfo.nsw.gov.au/get_riding/nsw_road_rules.html)
http://www.amygillett.org.au/qld-cycle-specific-road-rules/ (http://www.amygillett.org.au/qld-cycle-specific-road-rules/)
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/cycling/cyclist-road-rules-and-safety (https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/cycling/cyclist-road-rules-and-safety)
Post by: grafy82 on September 30, 2014, 08:59:19 PM
Some additional light reading before we all provide fodder for the same sort of negative commentary that cyclists attract...
http://www.bicycleinfo.nsw.gov.au/get_riding/nsw_road_rules.html (http://www.bicycleinfo.nsw.gov.au/get_riding/nsw_road_rules.html)
http://www.amygillett.org.au/qld-cycle-specific-road-rules/ (http://www.amygillett.org.au/qld-cycle-specific-road-rules/)
https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/cycling/cyclist-road-rules-and-safety (https://www.sa.gov.au/topics/transport-travel-and-motoring/cycling/cyclist-road-rules-and-safety)
Something from your 'light reading' which I'm sure all the tour-de-fake riders would adhere to
Post by: TheWall on September 30, 2014, 09:22:00 PM
And then I would be happy to claim 'my' lane at 5klm per hour as stated above as paying rego seems to mean you can get away with murder judging by many of these posts.
Post by: monbeg on September 30, 2014, 10:19:07 PM
I have a solution. Rego should be charged per kilo of vehicle. My 2 odd ton of Fourby would cost an arm and a leg and my 7kg bike would pay a fair amount $1.70 p/a!) representing the actual wear and tear it comparatively causes on our road infrastructure.
And then I would be happy to claim 'my' lane at 5klm per hour as stated above as paying rego seems to mean you can get away with murder judging by many of these posts.
Actually someone in some transport area in SA worked out that including admin etc costs that it would cost approximately $12 per year for bike rego which would entitle any rider to ride in any lane at any speed.
Could be worthwhile from a cyclists point of view, would probably be conceived as being an absolute bargain for people who ride to work etc.
Be careful what you wish for folks (without thinking again) !
Post by: Topender on September 30, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
Actually someone in some transport area in SA worked out that including admin etc costs that it would cost approximately $12 per year for bike rego which would entitle any rider to ride in any lane at any speed.
Could be worthwhile from a cyclists point of view, would probably be conceived as being an absolute bargain for people who ride to work etc.
Be careful what you wish for folks (without thinking again) !
:cup:
Post by: Symon on October 01, 2014, 06:26:45 AM
I live near the Gillies Range and have to travel part way down and up everyday. This is one road where cyclists should never be allowed to travel on. The Gillies range is double lines all the way except a couple of overtaking lanes. There are no bike lanes on this road, it has over 250 tight bends in only a 20 km stretch all this with a very steep climb of about 800 meters.
Anyone who rides a pushbike on the Gillies range has a death wish, pure and simple. It is dangerous enough driving a car on that road.
Perfect example of 'just because you can, doesn't mean you should'.
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on October 01, 2014, 07:40:42 AM
Anyone who rides a pushbike on the Gillies range has a death wish, pure and simple. It is dangerous enough driving a car on that road.
Perfect example of 'just because you can, doesn't mean you should'.
And through long term roadworks.
Wouldn't you change your training route whilst there's roadworks going on for a long period of time ???
Post by: Symon on October 01, 2014, 07:46:18 AM
Wouldn't you change your training route whilst there's roadworks going on for a long period of time ???
That decision requires a moderate degree of intelligence. Unfortunately some cyclists lack that attribute.
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Post by: JD-120 on October 01, 2014, 07:52:27 AM
And through long term roadworks.
Wouldn't you change your training route whilst there's roadworks going on for a long period of time ???
if thats the case, close the road. if its not suitable for bikes, is it suitable for cars?
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on October 01, 2014, 08:03:09 AM
if thats the case, close the road. if its not suitable for bikes, is it suitable for cars?
No, the road conditions are usually suitable for all. But, one thing I have noticed, is a lot of people can't drive for Shit, especially in unfamiliar or altered conditions. Roadworks, redirected lanes etc.
Why on earth would you place yourself in that situation ???
My kids ride their bikes to school and back every day. When the roadworks were happening near their school for a month, I made them ride the long way to school. They hated it ( because it added a whole of 3 minutes to their trip ::) ) but even a 13 & 15 year old could see why I didn't want them to ride through there. I don't understand why anyone would want to double (speculation only) their risk factor.
Shane.
Post by: Symon on October 01, 2014, 11:54:48 AM
if thats the case, close the road. if its not suitable for bikes, is it suitable for cars?
No one said it was unsuitable, it does however present a higher risk. Would any cyclist with a brain deliberately put themselves in a situation that presents a higher risk of being hit? Seriously?
Like I said before, just because you can - doesn't mean you should.
Post by: Homer_Jay on October 01, 2014, 12:38:35 PM
Since the new QLD laws have come in, I am seeing more cyclists wanting to be aggressive on the road and enforce their 'rights'.
The problem is, I am sure there are many many dead cyclists who were in the 'right' at the time!
I have no offence to sharing the road with cyclists who show some courtesy, BUT these overweight middle-aged blokes in full lycra ???.... Come on guys, its wrong on so many levels and you know it!
Post by: muzza01 on October 01, 2014, 02:08:33 PM
No one said it was unsuitable, it does however present a higher risk. Would any cyclist with a brain deliberately put themselves in a situation that presents a higher risk of being hit? Seriously?Well said
Like I said before, just because you can - doesn't mean you should.
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on October 01, 2014, 02:17:34 PM
Which, will prove pretty much beyond doubt, who has a brain and who doesn't.
And, if the push bikers are so sure of their rights etc and really want to ride any and all of the roads on offer, why do so many have the need to park their pushbike on the footpath all around the coffee shop you've stopped at? ???
Surely, its your right then, to perform an angle park like say, oh...I don't know, maybe a motor bike and park all ya pushies on the road, where you all belong, according to what I've been reading on here and the papers.
Or just another double standard?
Post by: JD-120 on October 01, 2014, 02:42:16 PM
No one said it was unsuitable, it does however present a higher risk. Would any cyclist with a brain deliberately put themselves in a situation that presents a higher risk of being hit? Seriously?
Like I said before, just because you can - doesn't mean you should.
according to half the replies to this thread, riders (brainless or not) are putting themselves at risk, just by saddling up and hitting the road.
I am pretty sure everyone is singing the same tune here, just from different angles
comes down to common sense and ones will to live just a little bit longer.
My opinion is that if there is not a sign up that states no cyclists allowed, its up to the individual. After all, we are all individuals with varying capabilities. Conditions change on a daily basis and so should your approach.
Post by: Dragonfly on October 01, 2014, 04:22:04 PM
1. a good dose of common sense
2. skills to operate your chosen method of transport
3. awareness of what others are doing on the road.
Doesn't matter if you are on a push-bike or motorbike, in a car or walking on your feet - if you are a d***head off the road, you will be a d***head on it. I have been hit by 2 cars and a truck and in all instances it was simply impatience and a lack of care that caused the incidents. Thankfully, I have not had any nasty injuries, but it could happen very easily.
If you see a bike rider - he or she is just wanting to share the road, give them a metre and assume that they're a d***head and could do anything at any time... That's how we cyclists see car drivers most of the time ;D
Post by: grafy82 on October 01, 2014, 04:33:24 PM
If you see a bike rider - he or she is just wanting to share the road, give them a metre and assume that they're a d***head and could do anything at any time... That's how we cyclists see car drivers most of the time ;D
If you see motorists like that most of the time, the hows about you give them a metre and keep yourself safe? Oh no sorry, I forgot, its your right to put yourself in danger.
Post by: Symon on October 01, 2014, 05:08:18 PM
according to half the replies to this thread, riders (brainless or not) are putting themselves at risk, just by saddling up and hitting the road.
Well.... yeah. Of course that is true.
By jumping in a car and driving down the road you are puting yourself at risk. If you jump on a bike and ride down the road you are MORE at risk. Smart riders minimize that risk by the route they choose to take, and what time they choose to ride.
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Post by: Dragonfly on October 01, 2014, 06:27:04 PM
If you see motorists like that most of the time, the hows about you give them a metre and keep yourself safe? Oh no sorry, I forgot, its your right to put yourself in danger.No need for it to get personal buddy... You have no idea how I ride. The point I was making is that it swings both ways. Everyone has a responsibility on the road. I ride a bike and drive a car... As a bike rider, I prefer the bike paths to stay away from the cars and keep myself safer. That's not always an option, but.
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Post by: briann532 on October 01, 2014, 07:46:31 PM
I think Julian summed it up well
In life, try not to be a f#ckwit.
Whether you're riding a bike, driving your 4wby, wheeling your child in a pram or perambulating on shanks pony, try to have some awareness of others around you and be considerate, understand the impact of your actions on the rest of the world.
Edit: same when you're posting in this and other threads.
There will always be good and bad of both cyclists and drivers, but it boils down to consideration of others.
If you are holding up people then you need to be considerate and let them past, and likewise if someone is trying to cycle safely, give them the consideration you wish from them.
AND finally if either or is being a complete w@nk3r, don't retaliate as you just become one yourself.
Get away as safely and quickly as possible and smile knowing you're better than that........
Post by: Topender on October 01, 2014, 07:49:53 PM
I can see this thread spiralling downwards rapidly............... :'(
I think Julian summed it up well
There will always be good and bad of both cyclists and drivers, but it boils down to consideration of others.
If you are holding up people then you need to be considerate and let them past, and likewise if someone is trying to cycle safely, give them the consideration you wish from them.
AND finally if either or is being a complete w@nk3r, don't retaliate as you just become one yourself.
Get away as safely and quickly as possible and smile knowing you're better than that........
Well said......might be time to lock this one up! ;D
Post by: time on October 01, 2014, 07:56:32 PM
might be time to lock this one up! ;D
Yep, lets start on politics for the next topic, move onto religion, and to finish up, sex :)
Post by: grafy82 on October 01, 2014, 09:22:19 PM
No need for it to get personal buddy... You have no idea how I ride. The point I was making is that it swings both ways. Everyone has a responsibility on the road. I ride a bike and drive a car... As a bike rider, I prefer the bike paths to stay away from the cars and keep myself safer. That's not always an option, but.
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Hey buddy, no ones getting personal, or so I thought until I re-read your post.
assume that they're a d***head and could do anything at any time... That's how we cyclists see car drivers most of the time ;D
But anyway its all good mate, no love lost. I am a casual bike rider myself and love it. All I want is for everyone to look out for themselves and stay safe.
Post by: grafy82 on October 01, 2014, 09:25:34 PM
Yep, lets start on politics for the next topic, move onto religion, and to finish up, sex :)
Can't we just do all 3 at once ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on October 02, 2014, 05:19:04 AM
Yep, lets start on politics
It's all Tony Abbotts fault. All because he's a bloody cyclist........ ;D
:cheers: Shane.
Post by: time on October 02, 2014, 08:58:44 AM
It's all Tony Abbotts fault. All because he's a bloody cyclist........ ;D
:cheers: Shane.
............. and a "Mad Monk" :)
Post by: JD-120 on October 02, 2014, 10:01:41 AM
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/executive-style/fitness/on-your-bike/cycling-and-social-media-do-you-read-the-comments-20141001-10oix2.html (http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/executive-style/fitness/on-your-bike/cycling-and-social-media-do-you-read-the-comments-20141001-10oix2.html)
Post by: edz on October 02, 2014, 11:01:32 AM
The dutch seem to have it worked out pretty well and have a usable system .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-cYZo5kToM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-cYZo5kToM)
Post by: Marcus73 on October 03, 2014, 01:25:15 PM
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Jokes :) :) ;)
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Post by: Bullant4x4 on October 03, 2014, 01:47:50 PM
The dutch seem to have it worked out pretty well and have a usable system .
That's because they all hang out at the grasshopper and eat cookies :)
Last time I was is Amsterdam, I got lost for seven hours after meeting up with the sheriff. After a missing week I'm sure I couldn't have ridden a bike, let alone driven.
Post by: whitey1 on October 08, 2014, 06:50:50 PM
Post by: Bullant4x4 on October 08, 2014, 07:14:37 PM
Post by: jclures on October 09, 2014, 04:14:25 PM
But I saw a cyclist in Cairns with a rod or similar device attached under the seat sticking out around one meter on his right side. ???
I gather this is to force his meter clearance on the road. ??? For the life of me this has got to be stupid, if not dangerous, I am left wondering do I have now to give a meter of clearance from his pole to comply with the law.
Post by: edz on October 09, 2014, 04:40:52 PM
Post by: TheWall on October 30, 2014, 08:55:36 PM
www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/south-west/driver-after-driver-caught-breaking-law-during-school-pickups-at-fairfield-heights-public/story-fngr8hxh-1227104763666]http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslo ... 7104763666
Post by: TheWall on October 30, 2014, 08:58:34 PM
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-30/world-champion-cyclist-injured-in-hit-and-run/5855634]http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-30/world-champion-cyclist-injured-in-hit-and-run/5855634
Post by: jwb on October 31, 2014, 04:54:01 AM
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on October 31, 2014, 05:52:49 AM
Why not just leave sleeping dogs lie.
By posting what you have , it would seem fairly clear to me, you're just trying to re-ignite an argument that there will never be a clear winner to.
Now, I'm not saying you can't post what you want, that's up to you, but why not chuck up a post about ya last camping trip or something.
Post by: Symon on October 31, 2014, 06:02:39 AM
This would raise a few smiles on this thread I guess...
Putting all the banter and rhetoric aside, no-one wants to see anyone hurt. The point I think everyone wants to make is that responsibility needs to be taken up by both sides of the fence on this one, and unfortunately individuals on both sides tend to forget that.
Motorists have a responsibility to avoid putting cyclists at risk, and cyclists have a responsibility to avoid putting themselves at risk.
Post by: TheWall on November 08, 2014, 09:46:45 PM
Guess I am just trying to keep some perspective considering the pretty aggressive commentary in this thread. The title is bad enough!
Whenever there is some cyclist bashing to be had in mainstream media it is noticeable that the behaviour of other road users (ie cars, trucks etc) becomes less considerate. Just a reminder that cyclists are actually people...
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/25435207/cyclist-hit-by-car-in-west-perth/
PS. My trip to Fraser Is last month was awesome thanks. Had never been to the Sandy Cape on previous trips. Amazing spot. And even saw a mountain bike with those ridiculously fat tyres cruising along Eastern beach! Bike Riders!!! Grrr
Post by: edz on November 09, 2014, 07:08:23 AM
Hey the wall, how do the new bikes handle the sand and crud with the derailers and stuff ? .
Post by: gronk on November 09, 2014, 08:43:16 AM
Used to ride the O'l 26" Malvern along the beach heaps of times between Kingy and Fingal and even down to Cabba, back in the day ... standard tyres fixed gearing, back pedal brakes no fancy stuff like the new biks have ..
Hey the wall, how do the new bikes handle the sand and crud with the derailers and stuff ? .
Ha ha, I used to have a bike I built myself....mostly a racing bike..
And I had another I built myself....well, mainly I aquired the basic bike and rebuilt it every time it stuffed up....a "creek" bike !!
A few mates and I would launch our bikes off the creek bank and see how far we could get.....hardest part was not losing the bike after hitting the water and also swimming while holding onto the bike was difficult !! :laugh:
Post by: edz on November 09, 2014, 08:53:31 AM
Post by: TheWall on December 09, 2014, 07:33:43 PM
Speeding 12,305 (513 per day)
Unregistered vehicles 3892 (162 per day)
Mobile phone offences 2782 (116 per day)
Disobey signs/signals 2076 (86 per day)
Unlicensed drivers 1638 (68 per day)
Seat belt offences 1293 (54 per day)
Drink driving 1247 (52 per day)
Disqualified/suspended drivers 1120 (47 per day)
Drug driving 338 (14 per day)
Impoundments 226 (9 per day)
Full story. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/500-drivers-caught-speeding-each-day-on-victorias-roads-during-operation-raid-20141208-122m6n.html
Post by: edz on December 10, 2014, 06:27:15 AM
Post by: Brutus on January 12, 2015, 08:38:53 PM
I know these guys want to keep fit and all but really why do they risk their lives playing cat and mouse with 1 tonne plus steel clad cars and trucks? This guy today will have his name on a plaque in no time with his attitude.
Parachuting, there's a hobby safer than riding a bike on roads and highways..........
Post by: Pog on January 12, 2015, 09:12:46 PM
This would raise a few smiles on this thread I guess...
www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-30/world-champion-cyclist-injured-in-hit-and-run/5855634 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-30/world-champion-cyclist-injured-in-hit-and-run/5855634)]
Mate, Thats not funny!
I ride a road bike after work every night for fitness. I deliberately choose quieter roads, and try to ride at times when there is less traffic. I am fully aware that I have look out for myself, because I am difficult to see, and motorists often can't / don't see me.
I need to ride a section on the Sturt Highway, and this is by far the scariest part of the ride, sharing the road (60 & 80km zones) with semis & b-doubles.
The worst part of the story you posted is the fact that the motorist did not stop... That's a very low act. What if she was seriously injured?
As previously mentioned, both cyclists and motorists need to share the road, and a bit of respect each way won't go astray.
Post by: TheWall on January 12, 2015, 09:36:55 PM
Why are we so impatient? Maybe we need to kick start the Life Be in it campaigns again???Perhaps it is a jealousy/guilt thing about people actually getting off there arses and trying to stop being obese and getting fit. Was thinking on my ride this morning about that I think I am going to start cracking a nut over obese people and the extra taxes I will need to pay to keep them alive. Perhaps the taxes should pay for bikes?
Was watching my 3 and 6 yo having an awesome time riding their bikes around our cul-de-sac last weekend only to have knob head try and speed down the (remember dead end) road. Upon questioning his antics his reply was...they should be riding on the footpath. How sad, but at least he did not say they needed a licence ha ha.
While I am here. New rules for Qld in 2015....
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Queensland-road-rules/Changes-to-road-rules.aspx
Post by: jetcrew on January 12, 2015, 10:07:57 PM
I am respectful of cyclists to a point but when i turn the news on a hear a bike rider got splatted by a b-double on a 80-100KPH road with 3 cm of shoulder I always think to myself "what did you expect".
Why anyone would want to ride a bike with the idiots texting their mates whilst doing a 100 is beyond me, I ride on the footpath or quite residential areas.
I take my hat off to some cyclists they are prepared to die for their sport and their Meter.
jet ;D ;D
Ride smart / drive smart it takes both sides as symon said to make it work, but unfortunately we only hear about thickheads on both sides.
Post by: dales133 on January 13, 2015, 05:42:14 AM
Everyone needs to take a chill pill and face the fact that the roads are to share and since it's illegal to ride on the footpath there's no other option.
There are plenty of nob head cyclists and it passes me off when they ride 2 or 3 abreast but there are more drivers on any given day that do and they pose a threat to my life far more than a cyclist.
Post by: KingBilly on January 13, 2015, 06:21:09 AM
and since it's illegal to ride on the footpath there's no other option.
Incorrect in Queensland at least. If using a footpath, the cyclist must give way to pedestrians.
KB
Post by: Brutus on January 13, 2015, 06:23:36 AM
Brutus...not sure about other states but in Qld it is perfectly legal to ride on footpaths. As a guide, it is the approaching car vehicle that needs to make a safe pass. Didn't spot too many caravans and campers pulling over to let faster vehicles past on a trip up the Bruce Highway recently.....why is it so different for cyclists?
Why are we so impatient? Maybe we need to kick start the Life Be in it campaigns again???Perhaps it is a jealousy/guilt thing about people actually getting off there arses and trying to stop being obese and getting fit. Was thinking on my ride this morning about that I think I am going to start cracking a nut over obese people and the extra taxes I will need to pay to keep them alive. Perhaps the taxes should pay for bikes?
Was watching my 3 and 6 yo having an awesome time riding their bikes around our cul-de-sac last weekend only to have knob head try and speed down the (remember dead end) road. Upon questioning his antics his reply was...they should be riding on the footpath. How sad, but at least he did not say they needed a licence ha ha.
While I am here. New rules for Qld in 2015....
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Queensland-road-rules/Changes-to-road-rules.aspx (http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Safety/Queensland-road-rules/Changes-to-road-rules.aspx)
In Tassie it's illegal to ride on a footpath if you are over 12 yrs old unless another law allows it which I think is fair enough. I do a fair bit of walking and the cyclist is so silent and it still frightens the life out of me as one whizzes by. Still they are shared tracks and thus allowed. I don't mind it and would rather this than driving on the roads and highways especially those over 80 kmh. I accept the sharing of space on the roads but don't like seeing our roads turn into someone's fitness routine. Get a gym membership, use designated cycle ways, take up bush walking (some amazing walks out there), swim, kayak..............
Tassie is about to trial the 1m clearance of cyclists but our roads aren't wide enough for it to work. I work for a rural council where my role is in civil and less than 1% of our 750km network would cater for cyclists and cars. The expense to our rate payers to add a metre to each side is just enormous when you need to shift drains, extend culverts, widen the seal and line mark you could estimate around $130 Lm, x2 for both sides and x1000 and you are looking at over a quarter of a million per km to improve the roads to cater for cyclists not including any land acquisition costs associated with the road widening. Now you can't just do one road so let's say we did all our major roads outside of urban streets which would be around 150km. Thats around 375 million and when our total capital works budget is near 5 million per year that's 75 years of our capital budget completely ignoring other infrastructure. Don't forget this is to just build it, we haven't talked about maintenance yet............ Don't forget, this is a small rural council with a small and diverse population.
Still even then all that is gained is a metre of road on each side for the cyclist to use (only if he wants to in Qld according to the new rules which will flow on down here eventually). Then we still have 1m buffer on roads 60kmh and less and 1.5m for above 60 so you could effectively double my earlier estimate. Now I think all cyclists would agree but that's an enormous amount of money that could be better used on our current road network.
Now to your comment about obese people. I would classify myself obese along with about 30% of our population and thus far I haven't needed the tax payer to fork out 1c "to keep me alive" but once a week I hear on the news about a cyclist getting injured on the roads (tipping only a small amount of accidents are reported) and guess who pays for that? Maybe the govt should tax us fatties but the same should then apply for cyclists too to be fair!
Post by: dales133 on January 13, 2015, 06:23:53 AM
Post by: oldmate on January 13, 2015, 06:26:38 AM
since it's illegal to ride on the footpath there's no other option.
Wrong for Qld. If you read the post that The wall put above, you will see as kb said its legal to ride on the footpath in Qld..
Actually, everybody (Qlder's) should go in and read that link, and refresh themselves on a few of the road rules, like dual lane carraigeways and how to use bloody roundabouts. Whoops sorry bit of a rant. :cheers:
Post by: dales133 on January 13, 2015, 06:31:29 AM
Post by: oldmate on January 13, 2015, 06:41:26 AM
Post by: Bird on January 13, 2015, 06:44:05 AM
Quote from: Brutus
In Tassie it's illegal to ride on a footpath if you are over 12 yrs old unless another law allows it which I think is fair enough.
Round home I'm scared to go anywhere near the shared carriageway with cars/bikes with nothing but a painted white line between us... specially going anywhere within 700mtrs of a set of lights..
Post by: fishfinder on January 13, 2015, 07:47:18 AM
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fitness/the-raffles-hotel-in-perth-bans-lycra-after-patrons-complain-they-are-disgusted-by-the-tight-fitting-cyclewear/story-fnlsv23r-1227182491962 (http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fitness/the-raffles-hotel-in-perth-bans-lycra-after-patrons-complain-they-are-disgusted-by-the-tight-fitting-cyclewear/story-fnlsv23r-1227182491962)
Post by: wilson79 on January 13, 2015, 07:56:48 AM
hope all the coffee shops follow this
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fitness/the-raffles-hotel-in-perth-bans-lycra-after-patrons-complain-they-are-disgusted-by-the-tight-fitting-cyclewear/story-fnlsv23r-1227182491962 (http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/fitness/the-raffles-hotel-in-perth-bans-lycra-after-patrons-complain-they-are-disgusted-by-the-tight-fitting-cyclewear/story-fnlsv23r-1227182491962)
X 2
Post by: wilson79 on January 13, 2015, 07:58:36 AM
Well Queensland always a bit behind the times...they haven't even invented daylight savings yet
That is because we are smart and know that daylight savings is a stupid idea...LOL
Post by: dales133 on January 13, 2015, 08:47:32 AM
Post by: gronk on January 13, 2015, 09:46:46 AM
Only a matter of time before you get hurt......whether it's only a scratch or something serious....but the odds are it WILL happen ..
When I used to ride a pushie 30 yrs ago, traffic was non existent compared to today, but I still managed to get hit once.
Dedicated bike paths are definitely the way to go, but in cities they are too hard to include now.
Doesn't really matter who has the right of way .....big cars will always win over a small pushbike....and even though the little old lady will say she didn't see you, it doesn't help when you are laying in the gutter..
I'm amazed at the pushie riders on main hwys hugging the edge of the road with B doubles wizzing past at 100 k/ph ???....do they get fit so they can better survive the hospital stay with massive internal injuries ??
Why not just get the big TV screen with the animated scenery shots and set the pushie up in front of that.....only thing that can hit you then is the missus !!! ;D
Post by: Bird on January 13, 2015, 09:59:32 AM
another interesting sideline
Post by: edz on January 13, 2015, 10:15:39 AM
Bikes should have an adequate sized number plate fitted or the rider has a " Hi viz vest bearing a rego number " ..
No number plate or vest or liscence, booked for unregistered / uninsured unliscenced and walk it home ....
Post by: NewieCamper on January 13, 2015, 10:18:43 AM
Tassie is about to trial the 1m clearance of cyclists but our roads aren't wide enough for it to work. I work for a rural council where my role is in civil and less than 1% of our 750km network would cater for cyclists and cars. The expense to our rate payers to add a metre to each side is just enormous when you need to shift drains, extend culverts, widen the seal and line mark you could estimate around $130 Lm, x2 for both sides and x1000 and you are looking at over a quarter of a million per km to improve the roads to cater for cyclists not including any land acquisition costs associated with the road widening. Now you can't just do one road so let's say we did all our major roads outside of urban streets which would be around 150km. Thats around 375 million and when our total capital works budget is near 5 million per year that's 75 years of our capital budget completely ignoring other infrastructure. Don't forget this is to just build it, we haven't talked about maintenance yet............ Don't forget, this is a small rural council with a small and diverse population.
Still even then all that is gained is a metre of road on each side for the cyclist to use (only if he wants to in Qld according to the new rules which will flow on down here eventually). Then we still have 1m buffer on roads 60kmh and less and 1.5m for above 60 so you could effectively double my earlier estimate. Now I think all cyclists would agree but that's an enormous amount of money that could be better used on our current road network.
That is so much not the idea of 1m clearance. Not to build 1m on the side of all the existing roads, if we did that there would be no need for the 1m clearance. It is a rule that adds a measurable amount to the existing must overtake safely rule, in fact in many areas it is illegal to overtake another vehicle (a bicycle is legally a vehicle) unless you completely change lanes. 1m clearance is a concession to the existing rules that says the minimum space required to pass a bike safely. If you can't pass with the required clearance waiting for a safe opportunity should, on most roads, only take seconds or maybe a minute.
Having ridden on roads a fair bit having cars pass within 1m is too close for comfort. Where there is space on the shoulder I use it. Where there is not enough, I use the lane, but move over where possible if it looks like I'm going to hold motorised vehicles up for too long.
Post by: NewieCamper on January 13, 2015, 10:25:17 AM
I'll say it again make them pay rego and have third party insurance and pass a riding abillity test as per motorbikes + have to have turn signals and head and brake lights.. Riders have to carry a liscence with the endorsement . Like all other road users .
Bikes should have an adequate sized number plate fitted or the rider has a " Hi viz vest bearing a rego number " ..
No number plate or vest or liscence, booked for unregistered / uninsured unliscenced and walk it home ....
I'll quite happily have you subsidise my rego, licence etc because it is not cost effective. I have a motor vehicle licence that proves I know the law. I already have turn signals, called arms, and a headlight and tail light that are fitted and used as required.
When I do get the rego plates you so desperately desire I'll ride down the middle of the lane without a care in the world because I know that you know I'm legally entitled to be there, as opposed to being legally entitled to be there and you don't know it. And if you don't like that I'll jump back in the car and slow you down by making the traffic heavier. ;D
Post by: wilson79 on January 13, 2015, 10:31:53 AM
or when the shoulder is wide enough and they are still riding on the white line, I have heard they do this as the side of the road has a lot of rocks and they get punchers easily, it that is the case change the rim and tyres so they are fit for purpose...
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on January 13, 2015, 11:22:14 AM
it that is the case change the rim and tyres so they are fit for purpose...
:cup:
Post by: gordo350 on January 13, 2015, 11:30:54 AM
I'll quite happily have you subsidise my rego, licence etc because it is not cost effective. I have a motor vehicle licence that proves I know the law. I already have turn signals, called arms, and a headlight and tail light that are fitted and used as required.This is the attitude that Shits me. I drive a tractor on many roads at my top speed of 24 kph. I pay $585 Rego . When I see cars behind me banking up, I pull over to let them pass. Why do you think you have the right to hold people up?
When I do get the rego plates you so desperately desire I'll ride down the middle of the lane without a care in the world because I know that you know I'm legally entitled to be there, as opposed to being legally entitled to be there and you don't know it. And if you don't like that I'll jump back in the car and slow you down by making the traffic heavier. ;D
Post by: GeoffA on January 13, 2015, 11:32:28 AM
Dedicated bike paths are definitely the way to go, but in cities they are too hard to include now.
It's not too hard to include them in Melbourne gronk.
They just shut down car lanes and give them to the bikes.... ::)
Post by: NewieCamper on January 13, 2015, 11:40:28 AM
This is the attitude that ****s me. I drive a tractor on many roads at my top speed of 24 kph. I pay $585 Rego . When I see cars behind me banking up, I pull over to let them pass. Why do you think you have the right to hold people up?
I don't hold people up when I can avoid it (see previous post), but was taking an absurd proposition (rego, licence) to the extreme to make a point.
Rego for bikes doesn't make financial sense, and it won't make a lick of difference to the roads either.
Post by: gronk on January 13, 2015, 11:42:08 AM
It's not too hard to include them in Melbourne gronk.
They just shut down car lanes and give them to the bikes.... ::)
Yeh, they did it in Sydney too.....and they're empty....all the pushie riders still stick to the roads ??? go figure ??
Post by: gronk on January 13, 2015, 11:45:10 AM
Rego for bikes doesn't make financial sense,
Does to me !!
4,000 riders times $200 = $800,000
Post by: Homer_Jay on January 13, 2015, 11:45:23 AM
I'll ride down the middle of the lane without a care in the world because I know that you know I'm legally entitled to be there ;D
Ok, so no different to what is happening now???
Post by: edz on January 13, 2015, 11:57:08 AM
I'll quite happily have you subsidise my rego, licence etc because it is not cost effective. I have a motor vehicle licence that proves I know the law. I already have turn signals, called arms, and a headlight and tail light that are fitted and used as required.Why would anyone have to subsidise a pushbike road users liscence / rego etc.. If you want to ride the roads you pay an amount, the same as everyone else does... Or dont .. .
When I do get the rego plates you so desperately desire I'll ride down the middle of the lane without a care in the world because I know that you know I'm legally entitled to be there, as opposed to being legally entitled to be there and you don't know it. And if you don't like that I'll jump back in the car and slow you down by making the traffic heavier. ;D
Last I knew if you want to ride a motor bike you had to be liscence endorsed and show you are proficient, show a front head light / tailight wear a helmut etc and so a pushbike should be the same and add into that if you like with a conditions of use on the roads and where they can and cant be used as per other conditional rego's .
As to arm signals most dont use them [ around here anyway ]. .
To riding / wobbling down the middle of the lane without a care ... A hell of a lot do anyway so whats different ..
Making the traffic heavier by being in a car, possibly true, but better to be in heavy traffic than stopped with people trying to pull a slush puppy in lycra out from under a ton of steel .. ;D
EDIT not a fast typer ... ;D
Post by: NewieCamper on January 13, 2015, 01:07:20 PM
There is no other country in the world that requires bicycle rego or licensing, some have tried but none have continued with it.
Licensing won't change anything, the vast majority of cyclists have car licences already and we all know that car licences don't stop you from doing the wrong thing, just look at the revenue raised from speeding and other traffic infringements.
Rego won't change anything either. Rego plates on cars don't stop you from doing the wrong thing, Rego on bicycles might catch a few red light runners where there are cameras, but cameras aren't at every set of lights. You won't catch many speeders with a camera because it's pretty hard to break the speed limit on a bike. When you break the law and are caught by a police officer they require you to prove your identity, you can't escape that even as a pedestrian. As for joe public being able to report offending cyclists, it doesn't work either. Plenty of 'concerned citizens' have tried to report infringements of the law using video evidence and the police do nothing anyway. When was the last time you rocked up at the police station with rego details of a car that did the wrong thing?
Please explain why it will work.
Post by: edz on January 13, 2015, 02:20:57 PM
Wouldnt know if it will / wouldnt work till its tried, but like everything else we do as a user we are required to be liscenced and certyfied as competent users and pay a fee .. A car liscence wont do you zip, when busted riding a motorbike, using a boat or flying a plane, caught with a firearm etc .. So why shouldnt there be an endorsement for pushbikes ..
What I think it would do is put in place a bit of accountability and takes away that air of being anonymous, untracable and I can get away with doing what I like attitude.
Why shouldnt ALL users help upkeep what they use .. Put it this way if you have 4 cars and use on the roads , they have got to be rego'd and insured for each one ... So what makes a pushbike rider so special that they dont have to comply like all other users ..why should other users have to cover the costs and give it to pushbike riders for free..
Hypthetical scenario to consider : The way it is atm a pushbike rider can cause a crash and ride off in total anonymity, be untacable and unaccountable because they cannot be identyfied other than a guy on a pushbike wearing x type of clothes and riding x type of bike ...
Scenario 2: Rider causes an incedent wearing vest with number , witnesses record number .... Blue badge of reality go find said rider from recorded imformation and proceed from there .
Nothing covers all bases but it levels out the field a bit for most everyone, how would it be if cars trucks had no number plates and didnt pay rego or have insurance and only pushbike riders did [ shoe on other foot ] .the way I see it .right or wrong it will never happen it was just an opinion ...on the matter ..
stay safe outhere on your rides . Oh and I used to ride too .just not in lycra .. ;D
Post by: tk421 on January 13, 2015, 02:30:43 PM
Hypthetical scenario to consider : The way it is atm a pushbike rider can cause a crash and ride off in total anonymity, be untacable and unaccountable because they cannot be identyfied other than a guy on a pushbike wearing x type of clothes and riding x type of bike ...
Lifted from the comments on today's SMH article: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/emily-greenwood-case-raises-issue-of-mandatory-cycling-insurance-but-there-are-no-easy-solutions-20150112-12mmvs.html (http://www.smh.com.au/comment/emily-greenwood-case-raises-issue-of-mandatory-cycling-insurance-but-there-are-no-easy-solutions-20150112-12mmvs.html)
"I was the victim of a hit and run while commuting by bicycle. I was knocked unconscious, suffered 6 fractures to my skull, fractured wrist, and needed dental surgery to replace a lost tooth. As the driver left me for dead there was no one to claim insurance against. Licensing, registration and insurance was of zero benefit. Even if the driver had been identified, and had comprehensive insurance, there is only token compensation for the loss of income while you are off work. This is by far the largest financial loss that you can suffer, much larger than any dental bills. "[
Post by: edz on January 13, 2015, 02:45:49 PM
Hope the recovery has gone aswell as can be expected for you .Its bloody hard if ever to get back to being 100% again .
I gave up riding after being put into the rails of a bridge by a semi, years ago .
Post by: dales133 on January 13, 2015, 03:03:01 PM
You cant even catch a fish without the government getting a bit of the action.
All this problem requires is a bit of courtesy on both parts and the government be it local or federal to spend some of the revenue they take off us and make the roads safer/work better for everyone involved.
As I stated earlier plenty of other places, in fact most places manage to make it work.
It's more environmentally responsible to cycle over driving so those who get off thier arse and do it shouldn't be penalized for it
Post by: NewieCamper on January 13, 2015, 03:07:07 PM
Lifted from the comments on today's SMH article: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/emily-greenwood-case-raises-issue-of-mandatory-cycling-insurance-but-there-are-no-easy-solutions-20150112-12mmvs.html (http://www.smh.com.au/comment/emily-greenwood-case-raises-issue-of-mandatory-cycling-insurance-but-there-are-no-easy-solutions-20150112-12mmvs.html)
"I was the victim of a hit and run while commuting by bicycle. I was knocked unconscious, suffered 6 fractures to my skull, fractured wrist, and needed dental surgery to replace a lost tooth. As the driver left me for dead there was no one to claim insurance against. Licensing, registration and insurance was of zero benefit. Even if the driver had been identified, and had comprehensive insurance, there is only token compensation for the loss of income while you are off work. This is by far the largest financial loss that you can suffer, much larger than any dental bills. "[
Yes it is true that a rider can just get away but the number of accidents caused by riders where the rider can actually ride away is very small considering the damage caused to said rider in most crashes. It is interesting to note that in a related SMH article there are two instances of cyclist caused crash resulting in significant injury reported, the other one was 12 years ago, if there were more I'm sure they would have been reported. So it only very rarely occurs that a cyclist is responsible for damages significant enough to warrant obtaining insurance etc. It is somewhat different for driving a couple of tonnes of metal where multiple crashes daily cause significant enough damage to warrant insurance being compulsory. The damage that can be caused is a significant reason that motor vehicles are required to be identified, another is theft/ownership but that's a different story.
Post by: Brutus on January 13, 2015, 05:59:33 PM
That is so much not the idea of 1m clearance. Not to build 1m on the side of all the existing roads, if we did that there would be no need for the 1m clearance. It is a rule that adds a measurable amount to the existing must overtake safely rule, in fact in many areas it is illegal to overtake another vehicle (a bicycle is legally a vehicle) unless you completely change lanes. 1m clearance is a concession to the existing rules that says the minimum space required to pass a bike safely. If you can't pass with the required clearance waiting for a safe opportunity should, on most roads, only take seconds or maybe a minute.So the law regarding 1m as I understand it requires a cyclist be given a 1m clearance buffer. There is no mention of it not being required if a bike lane exists, in fact the local rag had a story in it a few weeks back where the green lanes painted in the city will result in cars in adjacent lanes breaking the law by using them and not having the 1m buffer. So which is it? In a bike lane I can drive within a few inches of your handle bar or I have to give you 1m? We have cycling lobby groups singing out for dedicated bike lanes on a few roads so if your right once these lanes go in then the buffer no longer applies. Seems illogical..........
Having ridden on roads a fair bit having cars pass within 1m is too close for comfort. Where there is space on the shoulder I use it. Where there is not enough, I use the lane, but move over where possible if it looks like I'm going to hold motorised vehicles up for too long.
Post by: Bird on January 13, 2015, 06:16:59 PM
I don't get why you reckon a licence and rego plate will make any difference.I agree - so lets ban car licenses and rego.. think of the savings..
Post by: Brutus on January 13, 2015, 06:18:25 PM
Hypthetical scenario to consider : The way it is atm a pushbike rider can cause a crash and ride off in total anonymity, be untacable and unaccountable because they cannot be identyfied other than a guy on a pushbike wearing x type of clothes and riding x type of bike ...
Scenario 2: Rider causes an incedent wearing vest with number , witnesses record number .... Blue badge of reality go find said rider from recorded imformation and proceed from there .
Nothing covers all bases but it levels out the field a bit for most everyone, how would it be if cars trucks had no number plates and didnt pay rego or have insurance and only pushbike riders did [ shoe on other foot ] .the way I see it .right or wrong it will never happen it was just an opinion ...on the matter ..
stay safe outhere on your rides . Oh and I used to ride too .just not in lycra .. ;D
Hypothetical not! About 15 years ago I am stopped at the lights several cars back in middle lane and old mate on his racing bike trying to work his way through the stopped traffic flicks the mirror of car next to me falls on my car dent in bonnet and deep gouge from pedal in front door and quater panel (cost me almost $600 in repairs), picks self up, looks around, shrugs shoulders, (I am out of vehicle now checking if he is okay) he nods, back on bike, slips past remaining cars, through red light and down street to the left never to be seen again. Not even a flamin sorry!!! Bloke next to me jumps back in his car as lights have now changed and shakes his head and drives off.
I guess I could have gone to the police station and given a description, blue bike, black helmet, multi coloured spandex etc with a sore shoulder......... but what's the copper going to do? Guess that was the day my respect for cyclists on the road ended.
I have some compassion and try give as much room as I can but it irks me these cyclists have so much rights but total anonymity. And now they capture footage of a car too close and squeal to the coppers.
Post by: Brucer on January 13, 2015, 06:32:25 PM
A$$holes come from all walks of life. Some of them drive cars, some ride bikes. The problem isn't cyclists OR motorists. It's a-holes!
Post by: oldmate on January 13, 2015, 06:48:23 PM
Same old us vs them argument repeated ad nauseam on talk back radio week in week out.
A$$holes come from all walks of life. Some of them drive cars, some ride bikes. The problem isn't cyclists OR motorists. It's a-holes!
:cup:
Post by: Topender on January 13, 2015, 07:45:36 PM
Same old us vs them argument repeated ad nauseam on talk back radio week in week out.
A$$holes come from all walks of life. Some of them drive cars, some ride bikes. The problem isn't cyclists OR motorists. It's a-holes!
:cup: :cup:
Post by: dales133 on January 14, 2015, 05:05:50 AM
Once again the victim winds up out of pocket and disregarded while the justice system decide what sort of punishment or fine suits THEM.
But that's a whole new conversation
Post by: TheWall on January 14, 2015, 06:30:40 AM
Post by: Brutus on January 14, 2015, 06:37:41 AM
I once had a pedestrian step out onto a cycle path in New Farm (heading up to the Storey Bridge) and it was a decent collision and minor injuries were had by both parties. My bike also lost some paint. Pedestrian was not wearing their license plates so I had no way of id'ing them. That was 18 years ago. Can't believe the Govt hasn't acted on that one yet!Surely if you had such a collision there would have been time to exchange pleasantries or did you quickly gather your paint chipped bike and flee?
That's another thing with bikes, fast moving and silent which come from behind and startle a pedestrian. Maybe you should have one of those clackers on your forks :laugh: and the pedestrian would have heard you coming.
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on January 14, 2015, 07:08:28 AM
That's another thing with bikes, fast moving and silent which come from behind and startle a pedestrian. Maybe you should have one of those clackers on your forks :laugh: and the pedestrian would have heard you coming.
Or maybe a working bell or horn. You'd think it would be mandatory.................
::)
Post by: JD-120 on January 14, 2015, 07:44:12 AM
Same old us vs them argument repeated ad nauseam on talk back radio week in week out.Wow. Think you just summed up this entire thread!!!!!
A$$holes come from all walks of life. Some of them drive cars, some ride bikes. The problem isn't cyclists OR motorists. It's a-holes!
Post by: JD-120 on January 14, 2015, 07:46:43 AM
Or maybe a working bell or horn. You'd think it would be mandatory.................I do believe bells are mandatory. Weather anyone follows this is another question. The bell is the first thing I take off my new bikes
::)
. Not streamlined enough 
Post by: fishfinder on January 14, 2015, 07:50:55 AM
Post by: JD-120 on January 14, 2015, 07:58:32 AM
Post by: cancan on January 14, 2015, 08:08:35 AM
I do believe bells are mandatory. Weather anyone follows this is another question. The bell is the first thing I take off my new bikesBells are mandatory in qld and every now and again the police do a blitz on Mt Cootha and book everyone without a bell.
I have never once been pulled over and had my car horn checked.
I do have a bell on my commuters which I use on shared bikeways/footpaths but but not on the other bikes..to much extra weight
Post by: time on January 14, 2015, 08:14:48 AM
http://youtu.be/WREyAicJXkM (http://youtu.be/WREyAicJXkM)
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on January 14, 2015, 08:45:15 AM
I suddenly have an interest in cycling now. Where can I get one?
Post by: wilson79 on January 14, 2015, 09:33:13 AM
That's tops! :cup:
I suddenly have an interest in cycling now. Where can I get one?
How the hell are does he stay on that thing!!! at 300kmh imagine getting a speed wobble up at that pace...
Post by: Steffo1 on January 14, 2015, 09:37:34 AM
That's tops! :cup:I'd hate to think where you'd pack the chute, Shane? (Please!No info required ;D)
I suddenly have an interest in cycling now. Where can I get one?
Steve
Post by: NewieCamper on January 14, 2015, 09:41:31 AM
How the hell are does he stay on that thing!!! at 300kmh imagine getting a speed wobble up at that pace...
And I'll be he doesn't have a bell :o
Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on January 14, 2015, 09:44:11 AM
I'd hate to think where you'd pack the chute, Shane? (Please!No info required ;D)
Steve
Chute ??? Nah, Stand up and stick your Dunlop Volley on the back tyre like we did as kids ;D
Post by: edz on January 14, 2015, 09:58:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTfu0hjVtzE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTfu0hjVtzE)
Post by: Bird on January 14, 2015, 11:10:33 AM
"What is something annoying that a cyclist might do?"
EVERYTHING!! :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
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Post by: Footy Shorts Shane on January 14, 2015, 11:23:21 AM
Hah I'll see your puny rocket bike and up the anty with gravity ...Dohhhh !!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTfu0hjVtzE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTfu0hjVtzE)
That fancy brain bucket didn't do him much good. Should have stuck with a tried and tested Stack Hat.
Post by: liquid on January 14, 2015, 08:13:28 PM
True idiots will still be idiots rego / liscence whatever in / on a car bike plane horse etc ..
Wouldnt know if it will / wouldnt work till its tried, but like everything else we do as a user we are required to be liscenced and certyfied as competent users and pay a fee .. A car liscence wont do you zip, when busted riding a motorbike, using a boat or flying a plane, caught with a firearm etc .. So why shouldnt there be an endorsement for pushbikes ..
What I think it would do is put in place a bit of accountability and takes away that air of being anonymous, untracable and I can get away with doing what I like attitude.
Why shouldnt ALL users help upkeep what they use .. Put it this way if you have 4 cars and use on the roads , they have got to be rego'd and insured for each one ... So what makes a pushbike rider so special that they dont have to comply like all other users ..why should other users have to cover the costs and give it to pushbike riders for free..
Hypthetical scenario to consider : The way it is atm a pushbike rider can cause a crash and ride off in total anonymity, be untacable and unaccountable because they cannot be identyfied other than a guy on a pushbike wearing x type of clothes and riding x type of bike ...
Scenario 2: Rider causes an incedent wearing vest with number , witnesses record number .... Blue badge of reality go find said rider from recorded imformation and proceed from there .
Nothing covers all bases but it levels out the field a bit for most everyone, how would it be if cars trucks had no number plates and didnt pay rego or have insurance and only pushbike riders did [ shoe on other foot ] .the way I see it .right or wrong it will never happen it was just an opinion ...on the matter ..
stay safe outhere on your rides . Oh and I used to ride too .just not in lycra .. ;D
Hypothetical scenario to consider (which occurs a lot more often than a bicycle hit and run): The way it is atm someone on the street or in the pub could king hit someone and walk off in total anonymity, be untraceable and unaccountable because they cannot be identified other than a guy wearing x type of clothes
Scenario 2: Someone king hits someone on the street wearing a vest and a number, witness record number.. blue badge of reality go find said person from recorded information and proceed from there.
Maybe everyone should wear an identifying number whenever in public or, even better, be electronically tracked and filmed at all times. Then we wouldn't have to worry about people slighting us in total anonymity.
Post by: briann532 on January 14, 2015, 08:16:14 PM
Maybe everyone should wear an identifying number whenever in public or, even better, be electronically tracked and filmed at all times. Then we wouldn't have to worry about people slighting us in total anonymity.
I though that's what mobile phones were for............... ;D
Why am I now thinking of George Orwell?
Post by: MattP on January 14, 2015, 08:29:06 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/family-feud-question-about-something-annoying-a-cyclist-might-do-causes-backlash-20150114-12niow.html (http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/tv-and-radio/family-feud-question-about-something-annoying-a-cyclist-might-do-causes-backlash-20150114-12niow.html)Funny, every item on the family feud list could just as easily be a car driver; ring bell/sound horn, ride slowly/drive slowly, plenty of lycra in cars early in the morning on the way to the gym. Its the 5% (idiots) rule in all walks of life that cause angst. Relax.
"What is something annoying that a cyclist might do?"
EVERYTHING!! :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup: :cup:
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Post by: dales133 on January 14, 2015, 08:36:32 PM
Post by: grafy82 on January 15, 2015, 08:20:22 AM
But what gives a Lycra clad, tour-de-fake hero the right to hold up truck drivers while they are doing their job. In a lot of cases you are riding for recreation, but these drivers are trying to make a living and time is money. If you can't do 80 or 100kph on your pushy, then stay off the highways.
Post by: Bird on January 15, 2015, 09:20:00 AM
Quote from: grafy82
Rego for bikes, stupid idea as how will you make little Johnny riding to school pay rego or old simple Simon and its his only way of getting around, or a family ride with the kids down to the park, it's just dumb and won't worksame as cars, you have an age limit. +16 you need it..
Then again, life isn't fair, and we seem to dumb down everything for minorities...
Post by: NewieCamper on January 15, 2015, 10:24:27 AM
But what gives a Lycra clad, tour-de-fake hero the right to hold up truck drivers while they are doing their job. In a lot of cases you are riding for recreation, but these drivers are trying to make a living and time is money. If you can't do 80 or 100kph on your pushy, then stay off the highways.
The roads are paid for by taxes for public use. There is a legal right to use the road and the lane for ALL vehicles be they tractor, bicycle, delivery truck or sports car. That's the way it is.
Used to be that common courtesy would say the slower vehicle in front would move over where possible to allow faster vehicles to pass. Used to be also that if you came across a slower vehicle in front, your common courtesy would allow you to wait for a few seconds until you can pass safely. Common courtesy isn't so common now though.
Post by: WilSurf on January 15, 2015, 11:39:11 AM
I agree that there are cyclist who need to go back to school and leran the rules. Road rules apply to everyone.
It is the small minority who spoils it for the others.
Same with the car drivers.
I am riding on a busy road every day and 99.5% of the car drivers are giving way, make room etc.
Only once or twice a week someone tries to block you of or yells at you for no apperant reason.
But I must say most are aware of me.
I have tried riding on the footh path, but that is even more dangerous. Exits, entries, uneven, trees you name it.
Coming from the Netherlands were cyclist are everywhere with seperated bike paths, riding in Australia is still an adjustment for me.
Post by: fishfinder on January 15, 2015, 12:31:25 PM
The roads are paid for by taxes for public use. There is a legal right to use the road and the lane for ALL vehicles be they tractor, bicycle, delivery truck or sports car. That's the way it is.On the defence very quick think your missing the point the way I read it is be respect full don't hold up the traffic like most of those tutu wearing arrogant twats that think wether it is a single lane road or a four lane highway there on a mission to get their café latte and they have the rite to take up the entire road - I too ride quite often and in my thongs tank top and boardies no need to dress like Olivia newton jon on a movie she did in the 70's just to take the kids out doors and try to be a little fitter than would be if I did not but I go out of my way to avoid roads wether it would be travelling 40-100kms along the coast with the bikes on the back or if it is just out the drive cross 3 intersections and do a 30km round trip with out crossing any traffic but I believe even if the law does not the roads are for vehicles not to be held up yes you do come across a slow moving vehicle but majority of the time it would be a bus, truck or tractor and they are there to earn an income not to have there bright multi coloured date stared at by a frustrated motorist and you would find they will pull over to let you through. And with people saying it is a small minority of the cyclists that are in the category I described they too must avoid roads as well because a good 90% of the cyclists I come across are the arrogant twats I am referring to.
Used to be that common courtesy would say the slower vehicle in front would move over where possible to allow faster vehicles to pass. Used to be also that if you came across a slower vehicle in front, your common courtesy would allow you to wait for a few seconds until you can pass safely. Common courtesy isn't so common now though.
Post by: Bird on January 15, 2015, 12:33:16 PM
The roads are paid for by taxes for public use. There is a legal right to use the road and the lane for ALL vehicles be they tractor, bicycle, delivery truck or sports car. That's the way it isso why should cars/trucks/m-bikes have to pay rego for this right and pushys don't?
Post by: WilSurf on January 15, 2015, 12:34:22 PM
I will try again to read it as I have no idea what you are telling us.
Post by: fishfinder on January 15, 2015, 12:43:51 PM
Grrr...things are getting worse around here. Wow, Check out this driver behaviour!
Speeding 12,305 (513 per day)
Unregistered vehicles 3892 (162 per day)
Mobile phone offences 2782 (116 per day)
Disobey signs/signals 2076 (86 per day)
Unlicensed drivers 1638 (68 per day)
Seat belt offences 1293 (54 per day)
Drink driving 1247 (52 per day)
Disqualified/suspended drivers 1120 (47 per day)
Drug driving 338 (14 per day)
Impoundments 226 (9 per day)
Full story. http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/500-drivers-caught-speeding-each-day-on-victorias-roads-during-operation-raid-20141208-122m6n.html (http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/500-drivers-caught-speeding-each-day-on-victorias-roads-during-operation-raid-20141208-122m6n.html)
and how many of those stats are applicable to cyclists - those stats would be a hell of a lot higher if they had to follow these laws mentioned for the motorists
Post by: NewieCamper on January 15, 2015, 12:45:21 PM
so why should cars/trucks/m-bikes have to pay rego for this right and pushys don't?Cars, trucks and m-bikes have rego because they are capable of causing significant damage and injury and need to be readily identifiable. The rego process also helps ensure that there is a level of roadworthiness, especially in states with annual safety checks.
Post by: NewieCamper on January 15, 2015, 12:48:20 PM
and how many of those stats are applicable to cyclists - those stats would be a hell of a lot higher if they had to follow these laws mentioned for the motorists
Those stats would also be a hell of a lot higher if every infraction by a motorist was included, the stats only indicate who was caught.
...and cyclist do have to follow the laws, and do get caught, just not as often because there aren't as many as there are cars.
Post by: monbeg on January 15, 2015, 12:51:08 PM
so why should cars/trucks/m-bikes have to pay rego for this right and pushys don't?
Simples, the law says so.
A Vehicle is something used as an instrument of conveyance. It can include any conveyance used for transporting passengers or things by land, water, or air. It can be a self propelled conveyance that runs on tyres like a motor vehicle.
A Motor Vehicle means a self-propelled device designed for transporting persons or property on a public highway and is required by law to be registered.
Post by: NewieCamper on January 15, 2015, 12:51:20 PM
On the defence very quick think your missing the point the way I read it is be respect full don't hold up the traffic like most of those tutu wearing arrogant twats that think wether it is a single lane road or a four lane highway there on a mission to get their café latte and they have the rite to take up the entire road - I too ride quite often and in my thongs tank top and boardies no need to dress like Olivia newton jon on a movie she did in the 70's just to take the kids out doors and try to be a little fitter than would be if I did not but I go out of my way to avoid roads wether it would be travelling 40-100kms along the coast with the bikes on the back or if it is just out the drive cross 3 intersections and do a 30km round trip with out crossing any traffic but I believe even if the law does not the roads are for vehicles not to be held up yes you do come across a slow moving vehicle but majority of the time it would be a bus, truck or tractor and they are there to earn an income not to have there bright multi coloured date stared at by a frustrated motorist and you would find they will pull over to let you through. And with people saying it is a small minority of the cyclists that are in the category I described they too must avoid roads as well because a good 90% of the cyclists I come across are the arrogant twats I am referring to.
Yes I was on there defence. I did understand the point, but it also appeared that the post by grafy82 did not indicate that there is a right be a d-head and ride in the lane, in law. The don't be a d-head rule isn't a law it is just what is the right thing to do to make everyone's day a little easier.
Post by: fishfinder on January 15, 2015, 12:52:50 PM
Can you please use punctuations? It is almost unreadable.was typing whilst I was taking the kids for a ride
I will try again to read it as I have no idea what you are telling us.
Post by: monbeg on January 15, 2015, 01:14:38 PM
Below is an example that is not uncommon, 4wd passing on the left side of another vehicle via an occupied 24 bike lane.
Some 4wd "drivers" are obviously less risk to the public when they are on outback tracks !
Post by: Bird on January 15, 2015, 01:25:23 PM
I am a cyclist, a regular camper and a 4wd owner/driver.I've seen bikes lane splitting to the pole position at lights, after holding people up for 10klms, the cars get past finally then the bike decides hes too important and "ITS MY RIGHT" and holds everyone up again... :D
Below is an example that is not uncommon, 4wd passing on the left side of another vehicle via an occupied 24 bike lane.
Some 4wd "drivers" are obviously less risk to the public when they are on outback tracks !
Post by: Malcolm Tugless on January 15, 2015, 01:34:58 PM
Post by: Brucer on January 15, 2015, 02:25:49 PM
After all, any camper that rides a bike to work probably doesn't belong here anyway, right? I mean jeez I bet they drive a friggin Subi or some puncey pissant soft roader like that. It's amazing how quick people rush to stereotypes.
There was a comment made above about the few(a/hole cyclists) spoiling it for the many, and it reminded me of similar comments made in the past about campers and 4WD'ers. We've all seen campsites with bottles and crap everywhere, tracks that have been torn to pieces by careless drivers, bogans doing donuts in thier sup'd up monsters. We are quick to distance ourselves from it because we know it arms those who would see tracks and 4WD access to campgournds permanently closed. We are quick to point out it's the minority that do this and most campers/4WD'ers do the right thing. Sounds familiar?
You can be sure that for every story of "that ba$tard cyclist that cut me off and gave me the finger" in this forum and others like it, there will be active threads on other forums telling their stories about "bogan 4WD'ers wrecking the joint", etc. The funny things is, we have those stories too!
Did I have a point? yeah, sort of.. before you jump on the bandwagon mouthing off at some popular target, just think about the image of us 4WD'ers from the outside. It's not always a thing to be proud of.
Post by: briann532 on January 15, 2015, 04:55:56 PM
I am a cyclist, a regular camper and a 4wd owner/driver.
Below is an example that is not uncommon, 4wd passing on the left side of another vehicle via an occupied 24 bike lane.
Some 4wd "drivers" are obviously less risk to the public when they are on outback tracks !
So that's it then we're agreed............. ;D
There are idiot drivers and idiot cyclists.
The problem is not what they are doing, its their attitude.
These people simply don't care about others.
Whether its an inconsiderate camper, cyclist, bogan, drunk, driver, bad parent, bully, or people who don't use correct grammar ;), they are not going to change.
You just can't fix stupid!
Perhaps it's time to move on to "How many camper trailer owners take their bikes camping?" (pushbikes....)
Post by: monbeg on January 15, 2015, 05:27:58 PM
You just can't fix stupid!
Perhaps it's time to move on to....
Agree entirely, topic has run it's course I think, good and bad on both sides.
Post by: Brutus on January 15, 2015, 05:41:37 PM
Agree entirely, topic has run it's course I think, good and bad on both sides.Don't be like that, after all it's deuce in the sixth game of the third set. One set a piece at the moment ;D
Post by: KingBilly on January 15, 2015, 05:44:35 PM
Agree entirely, topic has run it's course I think, good and bad on both sides.
Yeah but is it equal good and equal bad on each side, or is the bad favouring one side over the other ;D
KB
Post by: oldmate on January 15, 2015, 05:46:08 PM
Yeah but is it equal good and equal bad on each side, or is the bad favouring one side over the other ;D
KB
dependson what side of the bike you sit on i guess ;D
Post by: Malcolm Tugless on January 15, 2015, 06:46:12 PM
Next topic ... ?
Post by: edz on January 15, 2015, 07:17:41 PM
Post by: KingBilly on January 15, 2015, 07:41:13 PM
^^^^ Lets see now Muslims " Nahhh been done " , I know I know Daylight savings mmm Nup done also, Umm Ford Holden Super Taxi's 'Done ", Toyota v Nissan,chinese ct v Ausmade, black v white racism, Jeep v everthing else, Labour v Liberal, Americanism v Aussy, Lebonese, Boat people indo's indians Dot paintings red heads Big noses is it too big is it to small sex sex sex thats all they ever think about, Ohhh and the Electrical thread ....Nup reckon we still might have a couple to go yet .. ;D ;D ;D
Been there, done that :D
http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=40456.msg665003#msg665003 (http://www.myswag.org/index.php?topic=40456.msg665003#msg665003)
KB
Post by: JD-120 on January 15, 2015, 08:06:19 PM
how can the qld govt make tanning beds /solarium's banned / illegal as they apparently cause cancer (just like the sun) but not outlaw smokes
Post by: Steffo1 on January 15, 2015, 08:06:27 PM
Post by: JD-120 on January 15, 2015, 08:10:18 PM
Just sayin
Post by: dales133 on January 15, 2015, 08:34:08 PM
On the defence very quick think your missing the point the way I read it is be respect full don't hold up the traffic like most of those tutu wearing arrogant twats that think wether it is a single lane road or a four lane highway there on a mission to get their café latte and they have the rite to take up the entire road - I too ride quite often and in my thongs tank top and boardies no need to dress like Olivia newton jon on a movie she did in the 70's just to take the kids out doors and try to be a little fitter than would be if I did not but I go out of my way to avoid roads wether it would be travelling 40-100kms along the coast with the bikes on the back or if it is just out the drive cross 3 intersections and do a 30km round trip with out crossing any traffic but I believe even if the law does not the roads are for vehicles not to be held up yes you do come across a slow moving vehicle but majority of the time it would be a bus, truck or tractor and they are there to earn an income not to have there bright multi coloured date stared at by a frustrated motorist and you would find they will pull over to let you through. And with people saying it is a small minority of the cyclists that are in the category I described they too must avoid roads as well because a good 90% of the cyclists I come across are the arrogant twats I am referring to.Plenty of the same people you described driving bmw's merc's ect that don't even own bikes and thinking they own the road because they paid more stamp duty than the "lesser "mortals when they brought thier showy Shitboxes.
As said before it's not your mode of transport that makes yo an arse hole it's how you use it
Post by: Kangaron on January 15, 2015, 08:43:40 PM
Post by: oldmate on January 15, 2015, 08:48:25 PM
Is this thread still going ::) ;D ;DFrom page 4
;D ;D ;D
Post by: KingBilly on January 15, 2015, 08:58:50 PM
KB
Post by: JD-120 on January 15, 2015, 09:01:01 PM
As said before it's not your mode of transport that makes yo an arse hole it's how you use it
pretty sure i use mine correctly, one way traffic only :-*
Post by: oldmate on January 15, 2015, 09:01:25 PM
You're not helping :D
KB
11 yet? ;D
Post by: KingBilly on January 15, 2015, 09:05:05 PM
KB
Post by: jwb on January 16, 2015, 05:00:38 AM
Post by: jwb on January 16, 2015, 05:01:25 AM
Post by: Jeepers Creepers on January 16, 2015, 05:27:01 AM
A. Children
B. adults.
C. Lycra Adults
D. Dragster bike riders.
E. Mountain Bike Riders.
F. Road Racer bike riders.
G. Social Riders
H. Semi Pro Riders
I. Commuters
J. Fitness Freaks
K. Stoopid, ignorant riders.
L. All of the above.
I'd put more in, but I never went past grade 2 (Best 4 years of my life) at school, so I don't know the whole alphabet.
Post by: oldmate on January 16, 2015, 05:45:25 AM
Thank you mr weekend Lycra! Almost feel off my chair laughing after reading this thread ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Snow on January 16, 2015, 06:51:54 AM
Peace, Love n Mungbeans to y'all. 8)