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Having breakfast this morning and reading the Vegemite jar there is a symbol on it AFIC Halal Authority???????????????
This is Aussie Kraft Vegemite.
Why does it need to be there???????
Then looking at a few other things Sara Lee strawberry cheesecake has AFIC (The Australian Federation Of Islamic Councils INC)
I thought this was Australia.
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Having breakfast this morning and reading the Vegemite jar there is a symbol on it AFIC Halal Authority???????????????
This is Aussie Kraft Vegemite.
Why does it need to be there???????
Then looking at a few other things Sara Lee strawberry cheesecake has AFIC (The Australian Federation Of Islamic Councils INC)
I thought this was Australia.
Dreamer :), let the minority rule
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Dreamer :), let the minority rule
Very sadly true.
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Why does it need to be there???????
A. Because Australia is a multicultural society.
B. Because vegemite, and a lot of our other "Aussie" brands, are now owned by international corporations.
C. Because this product and many others are now marketed internationally.
D. And why the hell does it matter anyway.
KB
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That's why I have bacon for breakfast. Grown b an Aussie farmer rather than an American product lie vegemite
I work in food manufacturing. And we are contemplating going full Halal. We already have a halal certificate for some of our products, but trying to manage the inventory of Halal and non halal meat,
The main reason we haven't as yet is breakfasts and the Love of Bacon in breakfast dishes.
That a product had been certified Halal doesn't mean anything has changes, more likely research shows that market share is dropping and if t hey can be certified Halal that it opens a large piece of the market which may have seen the product as not permissible to eat.
I think I'll have bacon and egg burgers with my beer for dinner
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It matters because its another piece of BS red tape companies need to through. This ain't free, this is some group put together that charge for this symbol.
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That's why I have bacon for breakfast.
There are McDonalds in Melbourne that wont sell Bacon and Egg McMuffins... you get just the fake rubbery egg..
Yep, in Australia in 2013.
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There are McDonalds in Melbourne that wont sell Bacon and Egg McMuffins... you get just the fake rubbery egg..
Yep, in Australia in 2013.
And KFC are the same in various areas as well
Yes you do need to pay for your halal certificates the same as you have to pay for any certification. But you as a business make a call do we want to include Muslims in our target market or not.....
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A. Because Australia is a multicultural society.
B. Because vegemite, and a lot of our other "Aussie" brands, are now owned by international corporations.
C. Because this product and many others are now marketed internationally.
D. And why the hell does it matter anyway.
KB
This ^^^^
If you are so concerned about a small, insignificant icon on the label don't buy it. At the same time, try not to get so worked up about small things that don't really make any difference to your life. It's not healthy.
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This ^^^^
If you are so concerned about a small, insignificant icon on the label don't buy it. At the same time, try not to get so worked up about small things that don't really make any difference to your life. It's not healthy.
All big things start off as small and insignificant until.........
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I understand the point being made and there's no doubt they're tainted by the actions of their beliefs.
Having said that, some 50+ years ago our grandparents were faced with a similar situation and many of them would have then been on one side of the fence or the other.
Post war saw the greatest influx of european immigrants into Australia and many then Aussies felt the same way.
Refering back to my opening point and I'm sure it might raise some very polarised views, but there wouldn't be many people not agree that today we are a better smarter richer country as a result of the european multiculturalism.
It's a strong culture and I don't believe any minority will ever rule, but we should be accepting of everyone, including process and packaging labels if needed.
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We stopped into a KFC in Broadmedows for some lunch, they too didn't sell bacon on their works burgers.
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I understand the point being made and there's no doubt they're tainted by the actions of their beliefs.
Having said that, some 50+ years ago our grandparents were faced with a similar situation and many of them would have then been on one side of the fence or the other.
Post war saw the greatest influx of european immigrants into Australia and many then Aussies felt the same way.
Refering back to my opening point and I'm sure it might raise some very polarised views, but there wouldn't be many people not agree that today we are a better smarter richer country as a result of the european multiculturalism.
It's a strong culture and I don't believe any minority will ever rule, but we should be accepting of everyone, including process and packaging labels if needed.
The underlying theme is that when the European immigrants came here, they didn't try to change our culture or way of life, like it is happening today.
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As long as its not Rodent faeces in the jar I wouldn't worry about it too much. Still tastes the same doesn't it? ;D
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That's why I have bacon for breakfast. Grown b an Aussie farmer rather than an American product lie vegemite
I wouldnt be to confident its grown by an Aussie farmer .I work in the industry and the majority of our smallgoods containing pork, the pork is imported from OS the only way to be certain it isnt is if it contains bone
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The underlying theme is that when the European immigrants came here, they didn't try to change our culture or way of life, like it is happening today.
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Depends which European immigrants your talking about. I think aboriginal people might disagree with you on that one!
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Depends which European immigrants your talking about. I think aboriginal people might disagree with you on that one!
If you read the previous post you will see we are talk Post war, but if you want to turn this into that agenda, then see ya because this is an entirely different situation
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No no, I didn't mean to offend you, I just think people forget that aus has been a multicultural country since us convicts arrived
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No no, I didn't mean to offend you, I just think people forget that aus has been a multicultural country since us convicts arrived
Didn't offend and sorry if it came across that way, this can get an emotional debate/conversation which can get out of hand too easy as every one has strong ideas one way or another :)
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Why should we as Australians have to miss out on our bacon burgers.
Why do we have to change the way our food is made.
I can now understand why the symbol is on there (for that market).
As some have already said KFC and Maccas has changed it's menu, why not just have a halal take away shop.
Just like Indian, Chinese, ect
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OOOHHHH Dear What have the Romans ever done for us (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso#)
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It matters because its another piece of BS red tape companies need to through. This ain't free, this is some group put together that charge for this symbol.
And where does the money go.
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Multiculturalism that divides communities and nations is no good for anyone ever
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Why should we as Australians have to miss out on our bacon burgers.
Why do we have to change the way our food is made.
We don't.
I can now understand why the symbol is on there (for that market).
No different to a veg symbol an a jar of vegimite
As some have already said KFC and Maccas has changed it's menu, why not just have a halal take away shop.
Just like Indian, Chinese, ect
Because it's no different?
I don't eat fast food, but I would be surprised if it was true that the menu has been changed in Australian branches. Sounds like right wing propaganda to me. I would be happy to be proved wrong if anyone has a real source for this info.
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Multiculturalism that divides communities and nations is no good for anyone ever
Lets have a multiculturalism country but don't force one culture on another
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So did the original poster check to see what the other symbol with the k in the middle of the Australia outline stand for on the jar also out of curiosity?
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We don't.
No different to a veg symbol an a jar of vegimite
Because it's no different?
I don't eat fast food, but I would be surprised if it was true that the menu has been changed in Australian branches. Sounds like right wing propaganda to me. I would be happy to be proved wrong if anyone has a real source for this info.
So that's good mate, but why do you call people liars on here, just because you have seen it, such narrow mindnesss
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So that's good mate, but why do you call people liars on here, just because you have seen it, such narrow mindnesss
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I haven't.
I am saying that I don't know.
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Depends which European immigrants your talking about. I think aboriginal people might disagree with you on that one!
after writing my previous post, I then thought the same thing, particularly as white folks committed genocide of them in Tas, but the 1860's saw the largest influx of Chinese into Aus, and the white europeans at the time also murdered them for allegedly stealing white mans gold that was still in the ground.
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So did the original poster check to see what the other symbol with the k in the middle of the Australia outline stand for on the jar also out of curiosity?
Kraft Australia
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So did the original poster check to see what the other symbol with the k in the middle of the Australia outline stand for on the jar also out of curiosity?
was wondering if this might come up.
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So did the original poster check to see what the other symbol with the k in the middle of the Australia outline stand for on the jar also out of curiosity?
Still not so much the point.
Why should a nation change for a few
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Still not so much the point.
Why should a nation change for a few
Wow, talk about trying to turn a molehill into a mountain. How is a tiny symbol, probably there for no other reason than to increase the products' market share, actually "changing a nation" ? How is that symbol effecting your Aussie way of life? How has it changed the taste of the product?
KB
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Reality check.
Who here has tasted a distinct difference in Vegemite since this 'nation changing' halal approval? I had it on toast this morning and noticed nothing... What dangerous additives have been added for halal approval?
Would have thought this is a good thing. Now other cultures can join in and experience a food unique to Australia.
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Having breakfast this morning and reading the Vegemite jar there is a symbol on it AFIC Halal Authority???????????????
This is Aussie Kraft Vegemite.
Why does it need to be there???????
Then looking at a few other things Sara Lee strawberry cheesecake has AFIC (The Australian Federation Of Islamic Councils INC)
I thought this was Australia.
I know I love Pork in my strawberry cheesecake so you need to be sure ;D
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A. Because Australia is a multicultural society.
B. Because vegemite, and a lot of our other "Aussie" brands, are now owned by international corporations.
C. Because this product and many others are now marketed internationally.
D. And why the hell does it matter anyway.
KB
well said
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So curiosity got the better of me, had to go and check all this out for myself and OMG!! guess what I found printed on my jar of vegemite?? Use by June 13!! I have been giving my family out of date vegemite - eeekkk!!!
(Still tastes the same).
Dee.
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If people are unhappy with public companies that support religious views simply don't buy from them, I no longer eat vegimite, I don't goto halal supportive food venues and I don't goto church sunday mornings,I'm not a big believer in supporting other people beliefs when I disagree with them.So I'm sure as hell not going to support it with my hard earned $$
no doubt a few will class me with as being racist ,do i really care 'NOPE', Gerorge Carlin did a fantastic act on religious views and wars, "ya carn't really have one without the other"
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Sanitarium products must really do your head in being a halal and kosher certified product made by a Christian organisation
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Sanitarium products must really do your head in being a halal and kosher certified product made by a Christian organisation
Now that is gold :cup: :cup: :cup:
KB
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Sanitarium products must really do your head in being a halal and kosher certified product made by a Christian organisation
I'm guessing that comment was directed at me,,, soooo ,you also left out a whole lot of other companies that have religious connections, I'm sure it would be impossible to find one that dosn't and this isn't a new thing lol ."Does my head in" ? nope not all halal verified food go through a certification process,in order to get a certification on a particular item of food cost companies $$$ and comes with a nice little label on there food item giving me the OPTION to buy/not buy so at least I know my $$ won't go towards funding the certification of any foods where the company usually gets lobbied into it in the first place.
Carn't always be 100% sure where the money goes to, it's all about doing my little bit
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LOL
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LOL
and no Muslim branding!
http://www.dicksmithfoods.com.au/media/news/muslim-branding-our-food (http://www.dicksmithfoods.com.au/media/news/muslim-branding-our-food)
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and no Muslim branding!
http://www.dicksmithfoods.com.au/media/news/muslim-branding-our-food (http://www.dicksmithfoods.com.au/media/news/muslim-branding-our-food)
I'm a big fan of Dick Smith, Don't really understand how anyone can live in THIS country and not be
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Behind the scene, this is quite an interesting issue.
I have no objection to a manufacturer making a commercial decision to decide to halal accredit in the basis of increasing market share for goods that require halal accreditation (meats, etc).
The issue behind the scene seems to be that it is becoming a business norm (and therefore additional cost) for larger processors, one that small processors may not be able to afford.
A couple of interesting links:
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/halal-easter-eggs-and-cat-food-where-big-money-meets-religion-20130327-2gujc.html (http://www.smh.com.au/comment/halal-easter-eggs-and-cat-food-where-big-money-meets-religion-20130327-2gujc.html)
http://www.halalsquare.com.au/groceries/ (http://www.halalsquare.com.au/groceries/)
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I'm a big fan of Dick Smith, Don't really understand how anyone can live in THIS country and not be
Good on him. Made his fortune by bulk importing cheap Asian made electrical components and putting a huge mark up on them. Then sold the business to Woolies...
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Good on him. Made his fortune by bulk importing cheap Asian made electrical components and putting a huge mark up on them. Then sold the business to Woolies...
And the aussie made alternative to the "electrical components" way back then would have been ???
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And the aussie made alternative to the "electrical components" way back then would have been ???
Its all good. It was a gentle dig, from memory his business boomed in the 70's CB heyday and no doubt he stocked the Aussie made GME 8)
Kraft really went at DS when he anounced Ozemite. First Kraft went out and registered the name Ozemite and then locked all the major brewerys into contracts that forbid them to sell the yeast by product used in Vegemite to anyone else.
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not trying to turn this into a racial thread or anything similar BUT... my concern goes way past the muslim symbol...... bring back Pauline
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What the hell, it all turns to sh!t in the end and ya gotta die of sumfin.
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I'm not eating Dicks Ozemite! It says its gluten free. Why should people who are intolerant of gluten be given special treatment! >:D
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I don't eat fast food, but I would be surprised if it was true that the menu has been changed in Australian branches
Shows how naive you are.
Here, call the Thomastown branch of McDonalds...
Settlement Rd Thomastown VIC 3074
(03) 9465 6188
Or KFC Broadmedows
03) 9351 1055
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Shows how naive you are
Here, call the Thomastown branch of McDonalds...
Settlement Rd Thomastown VIC 3074
(03) 9465 6188
Or KFC Broadmedows
03) 9351 1055
And not sure if it has changed ownership again but the servo in Nagambie would not do bacon either a couple of years back. So just an egg roll then.
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Perhaps a few on her need to get out and see the world. I worked in the UN with just about every tax and religion and down deep we are all the same
We love our families, we love checking out anything in a skirt, love a beer (even a lot of religions against it still sneek one) and when the chips are down stand by each other.
Australians are highly regarded in the world and many of these comments are shameful.
Time to grow up kids.
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Perhaps a few on here need to get out and see the world. I worked in the UN with just about every race and religion and down deep we are all the same
We love our families, we love checking out anything in a skirt, love a beer (even a lot of religions against it still sneek one) and when the chips are down stand by each other.
Australians are highly regarded in the world and many of these comments are shameful.
Time to grow up kids.
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Australians are highly regarded in the world
Except for the idiot drunken backpackers or "footy trippers" everywhere I've been. They're shameful
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Except for the idiot drunken backpackers or "footy trippers" everywhere I've been. They're shameful
Doh. Forgot them. :)
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I worked in the UN with just about every race and religion and down deep we are all the same
wouldn't it be fantastic if that was really true, no wars, no $10 million golden hand shakes, pharmacies wouldn't be selling anti-depresants and subsidised beer for all,,,ohhhh cheap beer wherefore art thou :D
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wouldn't it be fantastic if that was really true, no wars, no $10 million golden hand shakes, pharmacies wouldn't be selling anti-depresants and subsidised beer for all,,,ohhhh cheap beer wherefore art thou :D
Pharmacies in Europe and US sell beer!!!
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Shows how naive you are.
Here, call the Thomastown branch of McDonalds...
Settlement Rd Thomastown VIC 3074
(03) 9465 6188
Or KFC Broadmedows
03) 9351 1055
Looks like I was totally wrong on that one, maybe naive is not the right word but I was way off anyway.
I thought those places were all about brand identity, you could go into Maccas or KFC anywhere and get the same Shit each time.
Obviously not, local market share seems to be the drive.
Always happy to be proved wrong.
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Pharmacies in Europe and US sell beer!!!
Having just done 3 weeks in Europe, everywhere seems to sell beer.
Even servo's at the side of the motorway can supply a 6 pack if required. It's in the same fridge as the coke and water.
Supermarkets with whole sections full of wine and beer 8) makes sense to me.
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Even thought this thread has gone slightly off topic...
I don't get why the Islamic community makes such a big thing over whether or not they will eat a food product (I'm talking about meat) because the animal has not been slaughtered in accordance with an outdated religous ritual, often to the animal's distress depending on who is overseeing it.
As for non-meat food products... WTF
It aint me who needs to grow up