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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jason B on March 20, 2012, 08:14:35 AM
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Hi Guys.
I have a Hi Lift Jack that is not currently fitted to my Cruiser and I was pondering wether I really needed one at all. I have a full recovery kit and a warn Hi Mount winch. I am setting the cruiser up as a tourer (It has muddies at the mo) and will mainly be towing my CT around with it, I will be doing the hi country and some remote out back travel, but nothing extreme at this stage.
What do others thinK??
I ask this question because as a Fisheries Officer i have been to just about every corner of inland and coastal NSW, and encountered some major 4WD challenges. For the past 17 years I have had a hi lift jack with me on these travels, and have never ever had cause to use it. I have found the winch (or second vehicle when availiable)to be sufficient on every occasion. We carry a Tirfor also for just in case scenarios and have used it on one or two occasions.
In my mind it would most probably be a dead weight sitting on the side of the roof rack and eating into my fuel consumption.
Your thoughts??
regards
jas
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I've only ever used mine to pull star pickets out of the ground :)
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Ive carried one around on all our travels for the past 12yrs and only used it once(and then I dented the vehicle with it as it fell over :-[) and have recently removed it from our camper trailer to the corner of the shed.
I now carry a long reach hyd. bottle jack instead. Plus other recovery gear of coarse.
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Ive carried one around on all our travels for the past 12yrs and only used it once(and then I dented the vehicle with it as it fell over :-[) and have recently removed it from our camper trailer to the corner of the shed.
I now carry a long reach hyd. bottle jack instead. Plus other recovery gear of coarse.
Thant has been my experience with them also at 4WD training courses we have done, They appear dangerous. I use one of the alloy (lite) trolly jacks in the work truck now, it is ideal and fast for tyre changes, it does take up a bit of space though.
Regards
Jas
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I would say no ... If you have the winch and another vehicle, then it is unlikely you will use it. In fact you seem to have answered the question yourself in that you havent needed one at work. relegate it to the shed and take something more valuable.... like beer! :cheers:
Cheers Chippy :D
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I now carry a long reach hyd. bottle jack instead. Plus other recovery gear of coarse.
Moto Mech,
Any suggestions as to brand, or where to buy a decent hydraulic jack. I don't think the little one with my paj will work on anything but smooth ground, so I was thinking a decent jack with a bit more reach would cover the trailer and car a bit more reliably.
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Any suggestions as to brand, or where to buy a decent hydraulic jack.
Masada are pretty good, SuperCheap sell them. Wait until they have their discount sales.
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Similarly, I've carried one for a while. I have used it on the Cruiser at home, when changing the suspension but would be more wary on uneven ground. I have anew hydraulic jack that I'm intending putting into the Cruiser.
I carried it for use with the camper. Changing wheels, getting out of a bog, over a log or even moving the camper sideways, they're pretty handy. I tow a large, heavy plant trailer around and the high lift is terrific for that. They're fast and go higher than any hydraulic jack can.
I wouldn't advise anyone to rush out and buy one, but if you have one they are a handy tool on occasion.
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My most creative use was when putting the gas struts back on my boat loader. Nothing else I had or tried could compress the struts, so I affixed large washers to each jaw to positively locate the ends of the struts, then closed the jaws, lifted the whole contraption to the camper and the struts into place before releasing the tension. Was a little hairy, but I don't know how else I could have done it.
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My most creative use was when putting the gas struts back on my boat loader. Nothing else I had or tried could compress the struts, so I affixed large washers to each jaw to positively locate the ends of the struts, then closed the jaws, lifted the whole contraption to the camper and the struts into place before releasing the tension. Was a little hairy, but I don't know how else I could have done it.
Its amazing the pressure that is stored in gas struts, I have herd of people using ratchet straps to do the same thing, sounds a bit scarey to me!
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Its amazing the pressure that is stored in gas struts, I have herd of people using ratchet straps to do the same thing, sounds a bit scarey to me!
Without wanting to take this thread off track, I tried rachet straps, just pulled over the top of the struts and through the webbing. I'm almost 110kg and couldn't budge these things with all my weight on one of them.
Back on track, I've got an ARB roofrack and the Kaymar HiLift holder for it, but I took it off a while back as I thought I was wasting moeny carrying the jack ands shovel around. I've needed that shovel half a dozen times since then and have the jack sitting on the floor in front of the rears seats today. Might just put it all back up, haven't noticed it's absence when at the bowser anyway.
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Mine only now gets used now for maintenance jobs on trailers etc around the shed.....they are a handy tool used correctly. With all the other recovery gear I have not needed it for a few years now.
Cheers
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I carry one of these (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10-TON-HIGH-LIFT-HYDRAULIC-BOTTLE-JACK-CAR-STANDS-TOOLS-/250737666655) under the driver's seat - an ordinary single lift bottle jack just isn't enough in most cases. I also have a high-lift jack which has never been used.
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I carry one of these (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/10-TON-HIGH-LIFT-HYDRAULIC-BOTTLE-JACK-CAR-STANDS-TOOLS-/250737666655) under the driver's seat - an ordinary single lift bottle jack just isn't enough in most cases. I also have a high-lift jack which has never been used.
Looks like a good option. I carry two standard type bottle jacks, however on some occasions their lift height has been an issue. This one looks the goods. Might have to get me one.
Regards
Jas
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I agree with no... never ever seen someone use one offroad ever!
But they do look pretty welded to the roofrack or hanging off the back door covered in dirt.
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I agree with no... never ever seen someone use one offroad ever!
But they do look pretty welded to the roofrack or hanging off the back door covered in dirt.
:cheers: What I was thinking.
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Just got back from my ALDI ..
1.3 Tonne trolley jack .. $19.99 !! Good enough for the workshop...
Cheers
Steve
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Just got back from my ALDI ..
1.3 Tonne trolley jack .. $19.99 !! Good enough for the workshop...
Cheers
Steve
Good move, Steve.
Make sure you use axle stands etc before getting under anything...........
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No, sounds like you don 't need one.
I always take mine on trips and often use it.
It lives across the back floor around town, and up on the rack with my equally well used shovel in the kaymar holder in the bush. I guess it balances the weight of the foxwing on the other side of the rack.
Fuel economy ???? whats that. I guess I could drive a buzz box if I wanted fuel economy .... or throw away the winch, winch bar, muddy tyres, roofrack etc.etc.etc.
Quickest, easiest way to lift the trailer is with the highlift on the gusset right behind the mudguard. I don't want to grovel around under it with a hydraulic jack and with the alko independant I don't think I could lift it high enough to even change a tyre with a hydraulic jack.
On the car I can use it on the bullbar, towbar or sliders to lift, shift and slide. Plenty of lift to overcome the drop of the suspension, for changing tyres or packing under the tyres in ruts for clearance or traction.
In my recovery kit I carry some short chains, hooks and together with my drag chains and other recovery gear I can winch with my highlift. It's handy for going backwards and a sense of security in case I can't use the electric winch on the front. With the right gear it works really well for winching.
I've used my highlift to lift fallen timber.... sometimes it's not safe(safest) to saw a log that's across a track in steep country where it's pretty high above the track but not high enough to slip under with the oversize tyres, susp. lift, roofrack.etc. ... jack up the low side and onwards you go. sometimes it's just safer or quicker this way.
I once repaired my drag link using the handle off my highlift and some other bits and pieces when the steering damper bracket got hung up on a speedbump log and tore it in half.... I wouldn't have got out of the bush that day without it (yes I have pics).
I've also used it to lift star pickets and for lifting and supporting the roof when replacing posts or walls. Yes, they could be dangerous when not used properly but so far so good, and no problems ... just gotta take your time and think about it.
Wouldn't leave home without mine
Stevo
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When I had mine , it went with the camper when I sold it , it was very handy when I had to check the bearings on the camper or change a tyre. As Stevo says it saves crawling under the camper with a bottle jack and a lot quicker. For the extra weight on the camper it does not worry me.
I now have to get another one for my new camper so any one who does not want theirs I am more than happy to give it a new home ;D
Mark
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There is a subs deal at EMG that offers a bunch of mags and a HiLift for $150 ATM.
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and with the alko independant I don't think I could lift it high enough to even change a tyre with a hydraulic jack
Which is why I bought the double lift bottle jack - an ordinary jack wouldn't lift the Odyssey high enough. Yes, I could have used the hi-lift (if I'd brought it on that trip!) but it's a large heavy piece of gear to cart around just to avoid lying on your back to position the bottle jack - and I'd still need a bottle jack for the Jeep as I can't use a hi-lift to change tyres on that.
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No, sounds like you don 't need one.
I always take mine on trips and often use it.
It lives across the back floor around town, and up on the rack with my equally well used shovel in the kaymar holder in the bush. I guess it balances the weight of the foxwing on the other side of the rack.
Fuel economy ???? whats that. I guess I could drive a buzz box if I wanted fuel economy .... or throw away the winch, winch bar, muddy tyres, roofrack etc.etc.etc.
Quickest, easiest way to lift the trailer is with the highlift on the gusset right behind the mudguard. I don't want to grovel around under it with a hydraulic jack and with the alko independant I don't think I could lift it high enough to even change a tyre with a hydraulic jack.
On the car I can use it on the bullbar, towbar or sliders to lift, shift and slide. Plenty of lift to overcome the drop of the suspension, for changing tyres or packing under the tyres in ruts for clearance or traction.
In my recovery kit I carry some short chains, hooks and together with my drag chains and other recovery gear I can winch with my highlift. It's handy for going backwards and a sense of security in case I can't use the electric winch on the front. With the right gear it works really well for winching.
I've used my highlift to lift fallen timber.... sometimes it's not safe(safest) to saw a log that's across a track in steep country where it's pretty high above the track but not high enough to slip under with the oversize tyres, susp. lift, roofrack.etc. ... jack up the low side and onwards you go. sometimes it's just safer or quicker this way.
I once repaired my drag link using the handle off my highlift and some other bits and pieces when the steering damper bracket got hung up on a speedbump log and tore it in half.... I wouldn't have got out of the bush that day without it (yes I have pics).
I've also used it to lift star pickets and for lifting and supporting the roof when replacing posts or walls. Yes, they could be dangerous when not used properly but so far so good, and no problems ... just gotta take your time and think about it.
Wouldn't leave home without mine
Stevo
Sound like you have had a few issues and cause to use your Hi Lift a bit Stevo, you could always just buy a landcruiser mate and you wouldn't have cause to use it like me! ;D :angel:
Seriously though thanks for the info and the detailed post.
regards
Jas
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No, sounds like you don 't need one.
I always take mine on trips and often use it.
It lives across the back floor around town, and up on the rack with my equally well used shovel in the kaymar holder in the bush. I guess it balances the weight of the foxwing on the other side of the rack.
Fuel economy ???? whats that. I guess I could drive a buzz box if I wanted fuel economy .... or throw away the winch, winch bar, muddy tyres, roofrack etc.etc.etc.
Quickest, easiest way to lift the trailer is with the highlift on the gusset right behind the mudguard. I don't want to grovel around under it with a hydraulic jack and with the alko independant I don't think I could lift it high enough to even change a tyre with a hydraulic jack.
On the car I can use it on the bullbar, towbar or sliders to lift, shift and slide. Plenty of lift to overcome the drop of the suspension, for changing tyres or packing under the tyres in ruts for clearance or traction.
In my recovery kit I carry some short chains, hooks and together with my drag chains and other recovery gear I can winch with my highlift. It's handy for going backwards and a sense of security in case I can't use the electric winch on the front. With the right gear it works really well for winching.
I've used my highlift to lift fallen timber.... sometimes it's not safe(safest) to saw a log that's across a track in steep country where it's pretty high above the track but not high enough to slip under with the oversize tyres, susp. lift, roofrack.etc. ... jack up the low side and onwards you go. sometimes it's just safer or quicker this way.
I once repaired my drag link using the handle off my highlift and some other bits and pieces when the steering damper bracket got hung up on a speedbump log and tore it in half.... I wouldn't have got out of the bush that day without it (yes I have pics).
I've also used it to lift star pickets and for lifting and supporting the roof when replacing posts or walls. Yes, they could be dangerous when not used properly but so far so good, and no problems ... just gotta take your time and think about it.
Wouldn't leave home without mine
Stevo
Theres ur answer mate, i too have used it in similar situations to this, my attitude is, u can never be to preparded, My 2c worth anyway,
Regards Luke
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Alomst 110 Kg's and you are BigJules, I had better lose 30 kg just to get down that light. Off track. I have always had a high life "kangaroo" jack and would never travel without it. The amount of times I have got out of trouble with it. I carry a small trolley jack and a hydraulic bottle jack in the space bow in the back, but when the ground around here gets muddy, it is a 1 meter x 1 metre square of 7 ply, with a chunk of jarrah on top and the high lift on that. I could try with the trolley or bottle, but they both sink very quickly, and I rarely want to lay in mud or water to try to put them in a good position to do the lift.
I have 50 mm sqaure tubing welded onto the undersides of my bull bar and tow bar, the tongue of the high lift goes in, and with the board underneath, there is no slipping.
Regards
Tjupurula
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When I had mine , it went with the camper when I sold it , it was very handy when I had to check the bearings on the camper or change a tyre. As Stevo says it saves crawling under the camper with a bottle jack and a lot quicker. For the extra weight on the camper it does not worry me.
I now have to get another one for my new camper so any one who does not want theirs I am more than happy to give it a new home ;D
Mark
Mark,
Would you believe i sold my Hi Lift Jack a little while back for $10 at a garage sale....i never used it ..... mind you i got it for free...... (don't ask exact details, but being the shift supervisor on a mine site on a saturday morning, and helping load 4 cruisers that were bought unseen onto a car carrier, may have had something to do with it >:D)...... anyway i reckon i'm one of few blokes who ever made money selling a Hi Lift Jack second hand :cheers:
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I bought one years ago for my HiLux... When I got the 80 it sat in the shed for years taking up room, until I got one of those HiLft Jack/Shovel holders for the Roof Rack,. Now it has somewhere to be....
I also have never used it on the 80 / HiLux yes 80 no and I would be careful as said earlier you could dint your truck if it moves on you... besides unless you have Steel Bars front rear and even side steps where are you going to jack from it is pretty much even less use to you...
I have a Kaymar rear step and TJM front Steel bar so there are places to lift.... We are heading to Fraser Island next month and since I already have the bloody thing I bought a LiftMate http://www.hi-lift.com/accessories/lift-mate.html (http://www.hi-lift.com/accessories/lift-mate.html) and made up a jacking plate for the sand...
No good for changing wheels but lifted the wheel high and easily, with Jack stands at home it would be a breeze to jack the 80 up, But I have a 2 1/2 tonne trolley jack for that so for me not much use (for me), if you didn't have a trolley jack then yes you could use it with the aide of one of those Lift mates and 6 tonne Jack stands 'Bingo' you could have your 4x4 on blocks in 5 minutes... just be careful not to break a window or ding the body....
I wouldn't buy one today,,,,
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I bought one 25 years ago it was called a farm jack and i don't live on a farm so maybe that's why it sits in the corner of the shed ;D
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At Great Divide 4WD training last year they were discouraging the use of high lift jacks due to safety, and encouraging people to use exhaust jacks. They went so far as to demo usage of the exhaust jack.
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Hi,
went to a club weekend some months ago, where the more experienced members showed some of us newbie types the 'how and why' on winching, tyre changing and various jacks, high-lift and exhaust included.
It was shown that if you want to lift the vehicle to the heights obtainable with those two tools, you must plan for some instability, especially if both wheels on an axle leave the ground.
I only have a couple of bottle jacks, and am not sure if a high-lift is any use to me with a slide-on camper on the tray, I just can't get the jack close enough to the body to get a lift.
It fits the ARB bar ok, but unless I design something into the rear of the next tray I get that will accept the high-lift, I doubt I will get one.
The exhaust jack just looks scary, and I wonder if it can be used on the rear of a cab-chassis with all the bare metal work there any way. Looks WAY too prickly for an inflated bag to press against, even with padding.
cheers
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Aren't Hi-Lifts an ornament you strap to your car when you go shopping, so that all other shoppers know you think your hard core and go camping.
Usually results in free parking bay spaces both sides of you.
Can usually be seen above the 'my family's stickers on most 'off-road ' shopping cars.
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I agree with no... never ever seen someone use one offroad ever!
But they do look pretty welded to the roofrack or hanging off the back door covered in dirt.
Come up for a drive at Glasshouse, Bruce - we get the highlift out regularly when Purplebus is with us :)
Some vehicles just can't be lifted with a bottle jack! Or an exhaust jack, or even a trolley jack...
(http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4098/4939613248_59f49f5ca0_b.jpg)
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I have not used mine in a couple years.
But I know deep down in my heart that the trip I do not take it on is the time I will need it.
Better to have it and not need it than to need it and have it sitting at home in the shed.
It has its rightful place on Nav, therefore I take it on all my offroad trips...
Bill and Morag
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I can see the benefits of these as a recovery tool....so I want one...but what size? 48 or 60 inch lift...4 ft or 5 ft???? I have a 100 series TD IFS with 2 inch lift. currently the standard toyota jack will only lift the front end high enough to get a front wheel of if I use a 35mm timber packer (hardwood of course). I have a 2 ton trolly jack that just wont quite get the front wheel off the ground without help from timber packers again :'( . Now that's unstable.
I intend to do plenty of remote touring in the near future so the hi lift will probably get some use...but what size?
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I've got a similar vehicle and believe the 48" jack would be adequate.
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I hoped it would....even though it's only another 12 inches....weight adds up quickly.
Cheers.
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Thanks for all the replies. The majority rules.
I have a roof rack for an 80 series for sale in the classifieds thread and it now comes with a FREE Hi Lift Jack and carry brackets. ;D
One less bit of clutter in the shed.
Regards
Jas
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currently the standard toyota jack will only lift the front end high enough to get a front wheel of if I use a 35mm timber packer (hardwood of course). I have a 2 ton trolly jack that just wont quite get the front wheel off the ground without help from timber packers again :'( . Now that's unstable.
If you think your current jack with hardwood packers is unstable then be very cautious with the hilift.
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If you think your current jack with hardwood packers is unstable then be very cautious with the hilift.
Its unstable because I have to use timber packers to get the Cruiser high enough to remove the wheel....i understand the dangers of the device. Stable platform and use of chassis stands....or the spare wheel under the lifted corner will provide some safety. My main use for this item is for all the places where you can't get a bottle jack under the chassis.....like when you're hung up in a rock or log.
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I would say the high lift jack has lost its crown as the "Bolt on/never use but makes me look like I go offroad" accessory on 4wds....
It took 20+ years to lose its mantle, but the ROLL OUT AWNING has now taken its place.
The dude with the Subaru still comes into work with one bolted on... and he isn't one of these
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Its unstable because I have to use timber packers to get the Cruiser high enough to remove the wheel....i understand the dangers of the device. Stable platform and use of chassis stands....or the spare wheel under the lifted corner will provide some safety. My main use for this item is for all the places where you can't get a bottle jack under the chassis.....like when you're hung up in a rock or log.
Might be better to get an inflatable bag type jack ?? Like this --
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-4x4-4WD-Off-Road-4-Tonne-Multi-Layer-Car-Truck-Van-Exhaust-Air-Jack-Kit-/262081037154?hash=item3d053f4362:g:e3gAAOSwLVZV6QrB (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-4x4-4WD-Off-Road-4-Tonne-Multi-Layer-Car-Truck-Van-Exhaust-Air-Jack-Kit-/262081037154?hash=item3d053f4362:g:e3gAAOSwLVZV6QrB)
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Hi-lift jacks pretty good for removing star stakes out of ground. Outside of that, never used one on a 4by.
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always had one, again never used it on the 4wd
have used it to level up the kids cubby to sit on blocks, remove star pickets and other things
it has been useful just not on the 4wd
:cheers:
Adam
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I am reluctant to use mine on my Cruiser, though I have. I've found mine invaluable for trailers and other peoples vehicle, for moving things and especially useful for compressing gas struts.
Mine lives on my Cruiser's roof, so it doesn't look as nice and shiny these days. On te other side is my awning, which whilst I don't use it often, I love it every time i do use it.
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I would say the high lift jack has lost its crown as the "Bolt on/never use but makes me look like I go offroad" accessory on 4wds....
The hi lift 4wd mantle has been replaced by the Maxtrax
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I find it an invaluable tool. Changing tyres, adjusting brakes and while I've not needed it for recovery, I can see where it will be a handy labour saver. I've said it before; know the dangers, understand its limitations and use it safely.
The long handled shovel would be the most useful bit of kit but the Hi-lift isn't that far behind.
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I would make sure there is at least one in a convoy.
The attachments for rims and bars makes it more useful.
Used mine to lift the v8 cruiser chassis to remove
the alternator easily over the diff.
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I find it an invaluable tool. Changing tyres, adjusting brakes and while I've not needed it for recovery,
I think using dynamite would be safer than a hi lift for any of those...
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I got rid of mine pretty much because I have never used it. I now carry the standard Toyota wind up jack and also got a secondary kingchrome hydraulic bottle jack. I kept the plastic base I had from my hi lift as it helps in soft ground and I also included a Safe Jack kit from Proquip which allows you to add extensions to the standard bottle jack ram as well as a few different heads to jack up onto tube shapes or spread the load over a larger, flatter surface.
Cheers,
Matt
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:worthles:
I got rid of mine pretty much because I have never used it. I now carry the standard Toyota wind up jack and also got a secondary kingchrome hydraulic bottle jack. I kept the plastic base I had from my hi lift as it helps in soft ground and I also included a Safe Jack kit from Proquip which allows you to add extensions to the standard bottle jack ram as well as a few different heads to jack up onto tube shapes or spread the load over a larger, flatter surface.
Cheers,
Matt
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:worthles:
Try this link:
http://www.proquip.com.au/ProductPages/SafeJack/14110.html (http://www.proquip.com.au/ProductPages/SafeJack/14110.html)
Cheers
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Gee that's nice isn't it
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I think using dynamite would be safer than a hi lift for any of those...
whilst dynamite is a ridiculous statement, the use of a hi-lift to raise a vehicle and remove and replace a tyre is not and is no less safe than the original jack when done with appropriate precaution and tools. Any other work done under vehicle is performed with chassis stands in place so again, no issue. Next time you pull out the original jack, have a look at where and how it locates in its lifting position....it isn't a very big top on the jack, it has a small indent to sort of conform to the rear axle housing but as the vehicle lifts the contact point moves in an arc and so does the contact point. This has slipped in the past for me so I'm not keen to use it again.
At the front of a 100 series cruiser (IFS) the factory lifting point is on the front crossmember. With a nominal 50mm suspension lift and 285 tyres the standard jack won't lift the tyres off the ground anymore. Solution, hi-lift into located slots in bulbar....simples and perfectly safe to work under if you have the means to provide secondary support.
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I have not used mine in a couple years.
But I know deep down in my heart that the trip I do not take it on is the time I will need it.
Better to have it and not need it than to need it and have it sitting at home in the shed.
It has its rightful place on Nav, therefore I take it on all my offroad trips...
Bill and Morag
I agree. I've used mine several times, but not for a few years. Ive only used it for solo recoveries and as that's they way we normally travel its handy to have just in case.
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Gee that's nice isn't it
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I've found it very handy. Saves having to pack the bottom of your bottle jack to get more height, spreads the ram head load evenly under the car and has more than enough reach to lift and change 33" tyres on the tug. It breaks down and packs away in the back of my rear draws with the rest of the recovery gear.
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I have one, it usually stays at home when i go out 4wding, the only time i have used it is to pull some large tree roots out of the ground so i could put in a veggie patch.
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Try this link:
http://www.proquip.com.au/ProductPages/SafeJack/14110.html (http://www.proquip.com.au/ProductPages/SafeJack/14110.html)
Cheers
http://safejacks.com/collections/frontpage/products/safe-jack-bottle-jack-recovery-kit-with-bottle-jack (http://safejacks.com/collections/frontpage/products/safe-jack-bottle-jack-recovery-kit-with-bottle-jack) $230??? is that Yen?
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Never realy trusted high lift jacks due to their stability problems, but in saying that, any jack is unstable on uneven ground. Had a flat the other day with my Toyo AT aquaplanes and only just got it up high enough with bottle jack . Thinking of chucking in the trolley jack so I can jack under wish bone stead of lifting the whole suspension. Like the idea of the baae plate tied to the jack in the video though. Gives me ideas. As an old boss said to me one day...no use making thing idiot proof....cause idiots are soo damn ingenious.
Oh and whilst dynamite may be useless for lifting a forbee, det cord makes a hell of a bead breaker.
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I think using dynamite would be safer than a hi lift for any of those...
Like any other tool, if you misuse it, it can become dangerous.
I always carry two jacks, the factory bottle jack, and the hi-lift. The bottle jack is only useful for changing tyres, the hi-lift is much more versatile. I've used it as a hand winch to get me out of a bog, as a clamp to re-assemble a leaf spring pack, and as a press to straighten out my sidesteps after they got bent up. Occasionally I even use it to change a tyre.
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Like any other tool, if you misuse it, it can become dangerous.
I always carry two jacks, the factory bottle jack, and the hi-lift. The bottle jack is only useful for changing tyres, the hi-lift is much more versatile. I've used it as a hand winch to get me out of a bog, as a clamp to re-assemble a leaf spring pack, and as a press to straighten out my sidesteps after they got bent up. Occasionally I even use it to change a tyre.
finally some common sense....... ;D
carrying 2 jacks especially if remote is the norm. If it falls of one, you have the other to rescue you. Otherwise, it could be a loooooong wait..........
I have a large bottle jack (works under the axle) and an exhaust bag.
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finally some common sense....... ;D
...look who posted it...no surprise there...
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http://safejacks.com/collections/frontpage/products/safe-jack-bottle-jack-recovery-kit-with-bottle-jack (http://safejacks.com/collections/frontpage/products/safe-jack-bottle-jack-recovery-kit-with-bottle-jack) $230??? is that Yen?
nope that there is US dollars.
yep - US$230 = around AUD$335
(which is still considerably cheaper than the AUD$375 being quoted locally for the kit only... no jack itself)
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Never realy trusted high lift jacks due to their stability problems
One of the most handy features of them when getting out of a bog. A couple of times I've used the hi-lift to jack up and then push the car sideways out of the bogged location ;D
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Yes they can be unstable, but we never go anywhere without it. Had to rely on it too many times now when offroad or remote touring. Mainly for changing tyres.
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Try this link:
http://www.proquip.com.au/ProductPages/SafeJack/14110.html (http://www.proquip.com.au/ProductPages/SafeJack/14110.html)
Cheers
That looks like a handy project.
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That looks like a handy project.
Exactly what I was thinking - a few steel offcuts for the base plate and then down to the local yacht rigging shop for the wire.....
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I still see the biggest issue with most bottle jacks is the base size - even if you sit it on a massive hunk of steel, the physical base size doesn't make the unit stable when extended..
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I made a small mod ( used a die grinder to remove a small amount of the molding ) to our plastic Hilift Jack base plate and now it also fits our 12t bottle jack as well at the Hilift Jack, made it a lot more stable/safe :cup:
The support plate also gives you a bit more height if it's needed !!!!
Cheers
John K
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I made a small mod ( used a die grinder to remove a small amount of the molding ) to our plastic Hilift Jack base plate and now it also fits our 12t bottle jack as well at the Hilift Jack, made it a lot more stable/safe :cup:
Cheers
John K
few of those on ebay..
theres also this... I'd give him $25 for it...
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281803147885/ (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281803147885/)
handy in a carry case
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/171960602964 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/171960602964)
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Exactly what I was thinking - a few steel offcuts for the base plate and then down to the local yacht rigging shop for the wire.....
What's the wire for?
Roadside also make a set and baseplate( link above in other post to the plate)
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Exactly what I was thinking - a few steel offcuts for the base plate and then down to the local yacht rigging shop for the wire.....
already got some 8mm staino and swages ;D
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What's the wire for?
Roadside also make a set and baseplate( link above in other post to the plate)
The wire is to give the jack lateral stability, it braces the upright to the base plate on either side ... Like on a tower crane where they have a cable behind the tower pinned to the base and at the top of the tower. Is it tower or mast??? anyway, you know what I mean...
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.....12t bottle jack......
You don't muck about, do you jk.... ;D ;D
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I rather like this one --
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AIR-MANUAL-20-TON-HYDRAULIC-BOTTLE-JACK-TROLLEY-JACK-TRUCK-AIR-BOTTLE-NEW-JAC-/111288198255 (http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AIR-MANUAL-20-TON-HYDRAULIC-BOTTLE-JACK-TROLLEY-JACK-TRUCK-AIR-BOTTLE-NEW-JAC-/111288198255)
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You don't muck about, do you jk.... ;D ;D
A great man once said '' if it's worth doing then it's worth over doing'', and I couldn't agree more ;)
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A great man once said '' if it's worth doing then it's worth over doing'', and I couldn't agree more ;)
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This do the job??? - Mercedes Sprinter Van
$90 wrecker :)
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z69/VSK5/3ab49f4a-c4d8-456f-9b35-37b0ee1add2b_zpsec418267.jpg)
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You haven't got one you want to sell do you?
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You haven't got one you want to sell do you?
not yet..
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No, you don't need a HiLift Jack. Whether you want one is another question.
I have one and have never used it other than "training". Haven't even thought about using it in anger and I don't even load it up anymore. Its a cantankerous bastard of a thing, its dangerous and its heavy. Pretty sure if it was invented today, it wouldn't be allowed to be sold.
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Knives are dangerous too; sure, you can't jack up your 4wd with a knife but you can't slice an onion with a Hi Lift jack either. Right tool for the job, but you can't carry everything.
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Sorry, Newbie or not: HiLift Jacks are an accident waiting to happen. People get smacked in the face by the handles, pinched fingers and hands, vehicles fall off them and damage, if not human flesh then body panels. Their heavy and awkward to carry without special mounting and also require Hi Lift accessible hard points on your vehicle to use. They are unstable on almost any surface other than concrete or bitumen and most unmodified vehicles have nowhere to clip them into. Even modified vehicles with a Bullbar sporting a Hi Lift Jack hard point in the design still can't lift a rear wheel safely, so unless the vehicle also has a suitable after market rear-step/Tow Bar its still unsuited for all four corners of the vehicle.
Google Hi Lift Jacks and there lots of for, and against them. Personally and your mileage may well vary, I'll leave mine untouched in the corner of the garage. There are much safer (though I freely admit less convenient) alternatives to using a Hi Lift.
The OP should simply check to make sure there is fact somewhere to safely attach a Hi Lift jack onto his vehicle, and Google "Is Hi Lift Jack Safe" for a wide range of opinions and then decide on risk/benefit. If he can fit a Hi Lift and his risk/benefit decision is favour of buying one, the happy travels :)
BTW, I am obviously on the anti "Hi Lift Jack" side of the equation. It comes from my time in the Army many moons ago when we needed to Medivac a Digger who was smashed in the face by one of these things (easy enough to do with muddy hands pumping a slippery pipe handle) They are now, and have been for a very long time, banned in the ADF.
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Sorry, Newbie or not: HiLift Jacks are an accident waiting to happen. People get smacked in the face by the handles, pinched fingers and hands, vehicles fall off them and damage, if not human flesh then body panels. Their heavy and awkward to carry without special mounting and also require Hi Lift accessible hard points on your vehicle to use. They are unstable on almost any surface other than concrete or bitumen and most unmodified vehicles have nowhere to clip them into. Even modified vehicles with a Bullbar sporting a Hi Lift Jack hard point in the design still can't lift a rear wheel safely, so unless the vehicle also has a suitable after market rear-step/Tow Bar its still unsuited for all four corners of the vehicle.
Google Hi Lift Jacks and there lots of for, and against them. Personally and your mileage may well vary, I'll leave mine untouched in the corner of the garage. There are much safer (though I freely admit less convenient) alternatives to using a Hi Lift.
The OP should simply check to make sure there is fact somewhere to safely attach a Hi Lift jack onto his vehicle, and Google "Is Hi Lift Jack Safe" for a wide range of opinions and then decide on risk/benefit. If he can fit a Hi Lift and his risk/benefit decision is favour of buying one, the happy travels :)
BTW, I am obviously on the anti "Hi Lift Jack" side of the equation. It comes from my time in the Army many moons ago when we needed to Medivac a Digger who was smashed in the face by one of these things (easy enough to do with muddy hands pumping a slippery pipe handle) They are now, and have been for a very long time, banned in the ADF.
The OP is no newbie to 4wding champ and doesn't need to research or google the safety risks. This post is a couple of years old, the relevance of A hi lift jack was lost on me these days. Hence the question as I still had one sitting in the shed. Some still use theirs and they have there place. I have since given mine away and don't regret that decision.
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Do you need a hilift jack? Depends on how big your crocodile is, I'd say
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Pretty sure if it was invented today, it wouldn't be allowed to be sold.
Huh? The fact they are still available for sale today means they comply with whatever relevant standard. If someone designs a new one tomorrow that complies to the standard, there would be no impediment on selling them.
It comes from my time in the Army many moons ago when we needed to Medivac a Digger who was smashed in the face by one of these things (easy enough to do with muddy hands pumping a slippery pipe handle) They are now, and have been for a very long time, banned in the ADF.
As said before, any tool in the wrong hands can become dangerous. People have sustained some pretty nasty injuries from a screwdriver, should we ban those as well?
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I'd better sneak into the corner of my garage and see if mine's possessed now too. I've only had it 25 years and used it countless times for zero injuries so far.
There are more dangerous and unpredictable things in my recovery kit - like snatch straps - should they be banned? Actually don't answer that haha.
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I've had more crashes in cars than high lift jack incidents, maybe the cars are the actual dangerous bit?
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More Popcorn needed ....... ;D ;D ;D