How to cope with the corona virus ..facts- not fiction.

[wakychapmans]

Saw a Facebook post on this with something that I hadn't considered before. A number of people in vans etc have sold everything up and are on the road full-time. In their case they have no home and at some stage (even if self-contained) will need to either stop at a caravan park, shop at a local grocery store, fill up with water, empty toilet and grey water tank etc.

Not all caravanners and campers are ignoring the rules and we need to have empathy for each situation until we know what they are

I was reading a similar post... with a different twist.

a couple were planning to hunker down in their van, at a van park they were in. (they live in their van on the road... no home address to go back to0

the park caretaker came up and asked them if they were self contained... ie: with an internal shower and toilet. They have an older/smaller van, so no.

they were told they would have to leave inside 48 hours as the park would be closed to non-self-contained vans.

basically the park was closing the shower/toilet block.

[wakychapmans]

It's up to you: data shows corona virus can only be controlled if eight out of 10 Aussies stay home

so my wife is a pre-school teacher... in NSW.

schools here are not officially "closed". Everyone is requested to keep their kids at home if they can. But to send them to school if they are working in essential services (nurses, doctors, truck drivers etc)

My wifes centre would normally have between 30-45 kids on average. Yesterday they had SEVEN.

Pretty good huh.

Not so much. Of those seven, only one had parents that was what you would consider "essential". (mum is a nurse, dad a truckie)

the other six... all stay at home mums.

[Robbo]

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[jclures]

so my wife is a pre-school teacher... in NSW.

schools here are not officially "closed". Everyone is requested to keep their kids at home if they can. But to send them to school if they are working in essential services (nurses, doctors, truck drivers etc)

My wifes centre would normally have between 30-45 kids on average. Yesterday they had SEVEN.

Pretty good huh.

Not so much. Of those seven, only one had parents that was what you would consider "essential". (mum is a nurse, dad a truckie)

the other six... all stay at home mums.

They need their "Me" time, don't you know.

[Bird]

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yea that looks good to me Robbo!

[Paddler Ed]

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yea that looks good to me Robbo!

Whilst it may look good, I hope you are able to do it in your back yard in Melbourne or the GC - as can be seen by Tasmania's stance, and other places globally, heading bush is NOT social isolation.

In the UK this has been a problem, with everyone flocking to the hills and the coast for their isolation; in Australia Bondi Beach got swamped.

Regions do NOT have the facilities to care for you or those that you might infect on the way; the cost of evacuation to the major cities will be carried by the RFDS etc, who are already under-resourced for providing their essential services to the regional communities that they would normally serve.

Australia got the message during the fires of not going somewhere that was dangerous; why the hell can't they get it now?!

[D4D]

Saw a Facebook post on this with something that I hadn't considered before. A number of people in vans etc have sold everything up and are on the road full-time. In their case they have no home and at some stage (even if self-contained) will need to either stop at a caravan park, shop at a local grocery store, fill up with water, empty toilet and grey water tank etc.

Not all caravanners and campers are ignoring the rules and we need to have empathy for each situation until we know what they are

This was in an email from Big4 this morning.

It is our understanding that 'essential travel' includes travel that is related to:
•   necessary activities for work purposes,
•   essential accommodation while stopping at one location during a current road trip,
•   travel on compassionate grounds and
•   travel required to return to your place of residence.

[Kangaron]

India acted swiftly a month ago, closed borders, flights, non essential travel and businesses closed.
Yesterday they evoked a 21 day lockdown [no one leaves home]
The figures below are up to date as of 0600 25/3
Not bad for a population of over a billion, with poor health services, housing etc.

[edz]

https://www.facebook.com/abcwimmera/photos/a.119616014725077/3095758077110841/?type=3&theater  Some Caravan parks are offering refuge to full time and stranded travelers with strict conditions ..

[Bigfish]

India acted swiftly a month ago, closed borders, flights, non essential travel and businesses closed.
Yesterday they evoked a 21 day lockdown [no one leaves home]
The figures below are up to date as of 0600 25/3
Not bad for a population of over a billion, with poor health services, housing etc.

They probably dont have the   "F you Jack...I,m alright"  attitude either..

[Fizzie]

the other six... all stay at home mums.

But I've got to meet Jane for morning coffee, then lunch at Mary-Jo's, Thursday morning is meet the girls at the shops to check clothes ...

But swapping this around a bit, we've been wondering about "30% of health workers will have to stay home if schools shut" Just looking at the school age kids in our street, 30% of their parents are definitely not health workers!

Reckon it's probably stat's coming directly from the Minister, who's looked at his kids class at his $50000 pa private school - yes, well his dad's a surgeon, her's is a dentist, his is a specialist, those two are both doctors ...

[Bird]

yea that looks good to me Robbo!


Whilst it may look good, I hope you are able to do it in your back yard in Melbourne or the GC - as can be seen by Tasmania's stance, and other places globally, heading bush is NOT social isolation.

In the UK this has been a problem, with everyone flocking to the hills and the coast for their isolation; in Australia Bondi Beach got swamped.

Regions do NOT have the facilities to care for you or those that you might infect on the way; the cost of evacuation to the major cities will be carried by the RFDS etc, who are already under-resourced for providing their essential services to the regional communities that they would normally serve.

Australia got the message during the fires of not going somewhere that was dangerous; why the hell can't they get it now?!

Yep. that still looks good to me Robbo!

[rockrat]

It will be interesting to see how things go in NZ as they go into Level4 lockdown for at least 4 weeks. We seem to be about a week behind in our response.

You would think that in a 4 week period, IF everyone does the right thing, they might  pretty much eradicate it completely.

If not, go one step further and go into total lockdown. Create zones around supermarkets, schools, etc and no-one leaves that zone unless absolutely essential for work (and this means critical health professionals only) and only then on special busses or ambulances. And when they return home they are confined to their house and monitored. All supermarket workers, teachers etc must live in the zone the supermarket or school is in.

Maybe the government should treat it as though it is as contagious as measles and as deadly as Ebola. If that were the case, most of us would be either dead in a month or we would eradicate it and life would start to get back to normal (albeit there would need to be zero arrivals and departures from the country)


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[edz]

With any country with a populations close too or  equaly that big as India's and minimal to no modern health care in large regions / still living mostly tradtional ways, I'd be a bit dubious as to the accuracy of some of these low  figures being put up .
Just my uneducated non expert opinion of course ..

[sharkcaver]

And yet people will still not get it!!!

Looks like I,ll be watching reruns of your u-tube vids !!!

Getting corona virus will be less painfull 

I was planning a desert trip early April (before Easter). I guess that's off the table now, even though I will have no interaction with anyone out there whatsoever. The only interaction with others would be 2 x fuel stops. That said, with the stripping of the shelves currently in play, I don't think I could get the food to support a 7 day trip away anyway. It's bedlam out there. I just got my first lot of dunny paper in 4 weeks today. Supplies are critical here at home and I haven't been able to get any during this period until today.

They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?

[tryagain]

so my wife is a pre-school teacher... in NSW.

schools here are not officially "closed". Everyone is requested to keep their kids at home if they can. But to send them to school if they are working in essential services (nurses, doctors, truck drivers etc)

My wifes centre would normally have between 30-45 kids on average. Yesterday they had SEVEN.

Pretty good huh.

Not so much. Of those seven, only one had parents that was what you would consider "essential". (mum is a nurse, dad a truckie)

the other six... all stay at home mums.

Flip side of this is that a majority of childcare workers are about to be stood down, a council run centre might try and pay their staff a bit longer, but at the end of the day they don't have a bottomless bucket of money like the feds do. No kids, no fees, no income for the centre, where are business/council supposed to get the money to pay the staff from? Long story short, they won't accept from maybe a skeleton staff for the kids who are still there.

[plusnq]

Getting corona virus will be less painfull 

I was planning a desert trip early April (before Easter). I guess that's off the table now, even though I will have no interaction with anyone out there whatsoever. The only interaction with others would be 2 x fuel stops. That said, with the stripping of the shelves currently in play, I don't think I could get the food to support a 7 day trip away anyway. It's bedlam out there. I just got my first lot of dunny paper in 4 weeks today. Supplies are critical here at home and I haven't been able to get any during this period until today.

They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?

Same over here in Brisbane.

[Bird]

Same over here in Brisbane.

They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?


Same in Melbourne.

[Bigpickle]

They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?


Same in Melbourne.

There are 807 Coles, 995 Woolworths, 500+ Aldi and more than 1600 IGA Supermarkets in Australia. That is 3900 supermarkets plus the smaller supermarkets in country town.

How many trucks do you think are engaged in deliveries every night?

It is just not possible to fill every shelf in every supermarket every night after the panic merchants have stripped them bare.

Stupidity is the one commodity we are not short of in Australia atm

[bmwfreak]

They say there is no supply shortage. That's bollocks. Sure, some hoarding is taking place, but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?


Same in Melbourne.

What makes anyone think that the people who started the hoarding trend have changed their spots. Just because they have got 250 days of item X, it does not mean that having 280 days of item X isn't a good idea. The hoarders are still hoarding, which means that unless you are in the supermarket on the right day, at the right time, the shelves will continue to be empty.
With stores introducing limits on quantities of items, the hoarders are now going in singly so a family of 5 can still buy 10 of something that is limited to 2 per shopper.

[Robbo]

Yep. that still looks good to me Robbo!

Cheers Bruce. At least it will be something to look foward to when this problem is over.

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[Fizzie]

but 4 weeks in and the shelves are empty at opening time. Where the hell is it all going then?

We went in to Aldi this morning for our normal fortnightly shop. Got there 10 minutes after opening time & the place was already the busiest we've ever seen that particular shop

People certainly seemed a bit on edge, but there was no visible panic happening.

& they had Date Roll!!!

4-packs only, instead of their usual bigger packs, with two pallets half full. We got one, & saw a few others with one or two, but no trolleys full

& bugger! , this means that all these people have found out about Aldi, so there goes our nice quiet shop that we usually share with a dozen other people

[Kangaron]

There 995 Woolworths,  in Australia.

How many trucks do you think are engaged in deliveries every night?

WW have their own fleet, prime movers and many more trailers, refrigerated and not, plus they outsource non refrigerated to Linfox and a few others.
EVERY Store gets a delivery of Produce and fast moving grocery items every night, 365 days a year.
Stores place orders everyday.
The stuff is just selling too fast for the logistics to keep pace.
If everyone returned to shopping for what they NEED, things would be back to normal within a few day.

[Bird]

There have been more coronavirus cases in victoria among 25-29 year-olds than any other age group, health department data shows.

Health Minister says one of the people in ICU is aged in their 30s, emphasizing the disease can strike the young as well.

[tryagain]

There have been more coronavirus cases in victoria among 25-29 year-olds than any other age group, health department data shows.

A cavilier attitude, having said that, it's actually what the country needs to keep the death toll down. Young healthy people getting it to build up the herd immunity as apposed to the old who have a much higher mortality rate.