Interesting read on electric cars

[suby]

Never let fibs get in the way of facts. Or lack of them.

Looks like a lot of anti EV nonsense to me regarding ship fires. EV battery technology is getting better and safer all the time. Around 25% of all cars sold world wide are EV's. Don't be a dinosaur and watch all the damage climate change is doing with your head in the sand. For many people EV's are a great choice, and way less polluting and cost effective than ICE vehicles, especially if you can charge via solar.     

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHXPNR0YANw

Recent ship fires:
https://gcaptain.com/a-brief-look-back-at-recent-car-carrier-fires/

[Hoyks]

Here's the Kiwi approach to Road User Charging that has to come with declining fuel excise-
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/next-steps-replacing-petrol-tax-electronic-road-user-charges

It's been nearly impossible to interfere with digital odometers for quite some time with modern cars and interesting how you could buy forward blocks of kms for your car with RUC like pre-paid electricity. In any case black box recorders like aircraft are coming with cars if they're not hardware available already and able to be switched on with software in future.

You can see the future coming here with personal based kms as we step into the self-driving future even with your own car. No need for Rego and Insurances as it's all wrapped up in the individual and what sort of safe driver you are rather than car based now. No more stolen cars or high-speed chases as the car won't allow it and you need a personal pay per km licence key to operate anyway. Yep we're definitely on the way there with more and more control by the computers on wheels and less and less the nut behind the wheel.

Across the ditch with your diesel you had to estimate your annual driving distance and pay up front.

[prodigyrf]

At last they get it with V2G-
Not V2G but G2V
No sane person is going to spend $10k on a V2G wall charger when they can stick that into a home battery or shares in a communal battery which makes a damn sight more sense than all those logistical and labour inefficiencies with individual piddling house batteries. Can somebody please make Bowen and Co understand what 'economies of scale' really means here?

So we should all understand that relying on the philanthropy of EV owners to buy bigger longer range batteries than they require for transport isn't going to save the fickles grid. As for all the daylight chargers at work and wherever you park the EV commuter have these bozos any idea what that would cost in order to access the solar duck curve? What are these delulus smoking because the taxpayer is struggling with public charging already.

[prodigyrf]

Well that fixes that problem then 
https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/other/bizarre-new-chinese-ev-feature-slammed/ar-AA1N8OQm

[WilSurf]

At least they are trying to mitigate any potential issue.

[fluids]

The thieves will love this .... Easy access to steal EV batteries 

[RebsWA]

Battery ejector!
What a joke!

[Hoyks]

Battery ejector!
What a joke!

But it will give an additional option for the self righteous bastards in an EV to take out those even more self righteous bastards on bikes.

[prodigyrf]

Here's a good video describing how China came to dominate at EV carmaking-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTtLAf0f2HU

We got out of carmaking at a very fortuitous time given the NVES and the push for net zero by whenever we can manage it. With the domestic diesel going bye byes the compromise choice will be petrol PHEV and I'll stick with Toyota most likely while the plethora of Chinese models sort themselves out as to who is going to survive.

[Bird]

Horrible outcome

[WilSurf]

Nothing to do with EVs, could happen with every car with electronic door locks.

[Hoyks]

Nothing to do with EVs, could happen with every car with electronic door locks.

Nothing wrong with a mechanical connection between the door handle and the latch. I don't know why they thought it was a brilliant idea to omit it.
 
Obviously the chance that in the event of total power loss you couldn't get out was not considered as a LIKELY event. Having a door release hidden under a patch of material in the bottom of the door was not the optimal hazard control, in the even of being in a crash and losing power to the doors, last thing on your mind would be "I wonder where the owners manual is and is this situation covered?"

[Fizzie]

I was wondering why nobody thought to pick up something hard & heavy & smash the glass?

[prodigyrf]

So it begins jacking up the price of ICE cars-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/mazda-nissan-top-list-of-car-brands-that-didn-t-meet-australian-co2-rules/ar-AA1WyyVU
Taxes and cost of living will increase until morale improves-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi-PZLtzhD8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecP1gxw5e_U

[prodigyrf]

Well the obvious answer is to raelly jack up the price when they reach 80% charge-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/charging-queues-return-as-easter-road-trips-test-australia-s-ev-infrastructure/ar-AA20fhzw
assuming the charger can tell that which mightn't be the case for cars that aren't Tesla

[Harbourmaster]

Just looked over something today I think was in the US there is a lot of lease EVs about to Finish there 3 yrs. Headline paragraph said could send a few companies to the wall as they are not going to get anywhere near what they budgeted for on the 2nd hand market. recon the dealers won't want, or at least many of them & the rest will go to auction.

[prodigyrf]

A lot of Jaecoos just depreciated more than usual and Tesla must be smiling with the leading car seller in Oz in May-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/fire-at-docks-that-destroyed-jaecoo-evs-occurs-weeks-before-china-s-new-laws-around-battery-blazes/ar-AA24Lx2e
One of four of BYD's shiny new RoRo car carriers just got a big fanfare delivering 5000 cars to Oz and you wonder who their insurer is. If one catches fire with any one of 5000 cars steaming about in future they're suddenly on the hook for the other three of them with insurance. Mind you I wouldn't want to be on the hook for their current excess now.

[WilSurf]

Same thing happened with ICE when they were more and more available and more accidents did occur.
Remember the first car you had? Compare that to the new models available at the dealership.
More testing, more rules.
Nothing new.

And, the story doesn't tell you how the fire started.

[stabicraft]

When they invent an EV that recharges from solar panels on its roof without having to plug in, Ill be in it. Until then, they are just an expensive toy.

[prodigyrf]

The problem with lithium batteries is not what starts them burning or even the incidence of BMS/battery failure as the cause but the nature of the fire once it does start and that's where the insurers get involved big time.

There is no doubt if it's performance you're after with car (as distinct from towing/heavy haulage) then an EV is the way to go nowadays-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/sorry-petrol-heads-sports-cars-are-going-electric-they-re-more-stunning-than-ever/ar-AA24jty4
Pretty hard to beat the performance value proposition of a Tesla with an ICE car.

Chasing performance like that with ICE cars is really swimming against the tide as ever more stringent emissions designed to drive us into EVs incurs an ugly tradeoff with longevity. If small cap engines at high pressures and temperatures plus high rpm biturbos with multi speed transmissions/DSG/CVT aren't to hit you in the hip pocket on that score then hybrid Atkinson cycle is the logical compromise. In any case with Big Brother everywhere performance is strictly for the track or you'll quickly enjoy being a passenger.

[WilSurf]

When they invent an EV that recharges from solar panels on its roof without having to plug in, Ill be in it. Until then, they are just an expensive toy.

Ours is being charged by solar on the roof, of the house.