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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #25 on: July 09, 2019, 04:25:33 PM »
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I have seen a lot of caravanners on the road that should not be on the road at all towing great big blocks of flats and have

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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #26 on: July 09, 2019, 05:18:31 PM »
  most people can't tow or reverse a flamin box trailer.

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Was at a transfer station [tip] at a very country venue last weekend, I had a 10 x 5 tandem, 3' cage, loaded to the hilt.
When I got there this bloke had a few branches and bags on a 6x4 box, trying to back it in, wife outside trying to guide him in.

I backed in while my wife unloaded by herself [no physical stuff allowed for me atm]

Then took off past him, they had given up and were carrying stuff to the big bins. Left parked in the middle of the yard, cars and trailers banked up.

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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2019, 07:16:04 PM »
Was at a transfer station [tip] at a very country venue last weekend, I had a 10 x 5 tandem, 3' cage, loaded to the hilt.
When I got there this bloke had a few branches and bags on a 6x4 box, trying to back it in, wife outside trying to guide him in.

I backed in while my wife unloaded by herself [no physical stuff allowed for me atm]

Then took off past him, they had given up and were carrying stuff to the big bins. Left parked in the middle of the yard, cars and trailers banked up.
I’ve been towing boats, campers and box trailers for well over 10 years but still can’t reverse for crap. My father in law is an ex-truckie and can back anything anywhere.  But when he is driving on the highway in his ute he drives so close to the car, truck, whatever in front, I pray to a god i don’t believe in that it isn’t the last thing I see! How he is still alive is pure luck but dare say something and you get a mouth full.


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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2019, 06:46:52 AM »
Hi Fizzie, I had been towing my 8m boat on a triaxle trailer from home to Tin Can Bay about 1,5 hour run at 50kph behind my 3,2lt diesel Narvara dualcab for around 6 to  7 years no worries, got pulled up,  put the boat and trailer on the scales she went 4,1ton,  tug tow limit 1,8ton,  I wonder why they were nice to me, Them days rules never bothered me, I was a farmer towed heaver loads around the farm every day, After that enlightenment to the real world I only run legal now, Hence the small van and 5m tinny, Craig 
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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2019, 08:41:29 AM »
I’ve been towing boats, campers and box trailers for well over 10 years but still can’t reverse for crap. My father in law is an ex-truckie and can back anything anywhere.  But when he is driving on the highway in his ute he drives so close to the car, truck, whatever in front, I pray to a god i don’t believe in that it isn’t the last thing I see! How he is still alive is pure luck but dare say something and you get a mouth full.


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it is the smaller trailers i find that actually get you. My Goldstream was far easier to reverse than when the boat is in the water and i am trying to back the trailer down the ramp empty. I think it is because the boat trailer is so narrow you cannot see it until it is out the side then you have already stuffed it.
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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2019, 09:28:00 AM »
My father in law is an ex-truckie and can back anything anywhere.  But when he is driving on the highway in his ute he drives so close to the car, truck, whatever in front, I pray to a god i don’t believe in that it isn’t the last thing I see! How he is still alive is pure luck but dare say something and you get a mouth full.

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Dad can tell you how many spots there are on the cow in the second paddock off the road, but can't see a car ahead slowing with it's indicator on to turn off into a driveway......

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Then refined the art when I built my little camping trailer, at under 2m from hitch to axle it could be described as 'twitchy' to reverse......  ;D

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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2019, 09:51:36 AM »
One of the best reversing efforts I have seen.
Years ago I used to run school music tours. We chartered a 46 seater coach and put an 8x6 trailer on the back for the music gear.
The driver used to reverse park the coach and trailer when we were in some of the tight spots in caravan parks or on the Gold Coast.

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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2019, 09:44:14 PM »
Us old hands who had no ATMS GCMs or whatever get a free pass whereas all you whippersnapper worryworts nanny staters and snowflakes need to pass the new test  :police:
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PS: Saw a report where they reckon there's around 150,000 caravans on OZ roads at any one time so you work it out.
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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2019, 08:34:55 AM »


PS: Saw a report where they reckon there's around 150,000 caravans on OZ roads at any one time so you work it out.

I reckon there was 150,000 caravans parked up last night at the Gin Gin free camp.

And the Calliope River Rest area was Max’d out as there was a good 1/2 dozen or so vans parked up at the turn off.


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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2019, 03:13:23 PM »
I believe that the reason no one wants to have to sit a test to be allowed to tow is because they think they will fail, because to pass your articulated licence you must be able to reverse the combination prime mover and trailer, can't reverse, you fail, lessons aren't cheap either.

When I did my test I had to reverse around two corners and also around parked cars in the street where the test was and I also had to keep the trailer within a certain distance from the kerb, no more than one metre out from the kerb and not less than 30cm from the kerb, both while going around the corner and along the street.
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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2019, 03:33:44 PM »
I believe that the reason no one wants to have to sit a test to be allowed to tow is because they think they will fail, because to pass your articulated licence you must be able to reverse the combination prime mover and trailer, can't reverse, you fail, lessons aren't cheap either.

When I did my test I had to reverse around two corners and also around parked cars in the street where the test was and I also had to keep the trailer within a certain distance from the kerb, no more than one metre out from the kerb and not less than 30cm from the kerb, both while going around the corner and along the street.
same, but I did mine around 5 Dock in a 1418 Benz LOL!
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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2019, 05:11:48 AM »
I believe that the reason no one wants to have to sit a test to be allowed to tow is because they think they will fail, because to pass your articulated licence you must be able to reverse the combination prime mover and trailer, can't reverse, you fail, lessons aren't cheap either.


I reckon you are right. A lot of discussion on different forums in regards to a caravan towing licence and interestingly enough there are always a number that talk about being able to reverse the van etc which then turns into rants about how bad everyone else is. I laugh at these though because I wonder how many caravan accidents are caused by reversing (or not being able to) into a park spot  ??? 

Most of the aggravation would be solved if people were being more courteous and just take a chill pill. I drive my van at 100km whee I can but on hills or on sharper corners this isn't always possible and the other week while towing at 100 I had a guy in a big cruiser with a big offroad van overtake me and disappear into the distance. I saw him later in the day setting up the park we were staying at when we arrived so he probably saved himself 15mins.

No licence or training course is going to fix attitude or behaviour on the road unfortunately 

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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2019, 06:23:14 AM »
Just thinking, if there was a test I’d be more likely to pass the towing part and fail the operation of the tug.


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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2019, 04:35:41 PM »
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because I wonder how many caravan accidents are caused by reversing (or not being able to) into a park spot  ??? 
There are threads on many forums now about caravan parks that wont let you - they park the trailer up for you! Thats trust in old farks reversing for ya
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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #39 on: July 12, 2019, 05:47:07 PM »
There are threads on many forums now about caravan parks that wont let you - they park the trailer up for you! Thats trust in old farks reversing for ya

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« Reply #40 on: July 12, 2019, 06:19:15 PM »
There are threads on many forums now about caravan parks that wont let you - they park the trailer up for you! Thats trust in old farks reversing for ya
the Big 4 at Hastings Point has a tractor that parks your camper or caravan for you...I choose to back the camper in myself years back when we stayed there, was a very tight turn to get it into our site though, almost wished i’d left it to the tractor...and that’s coming from somebody that backed trailers daily onto jobsites at work.
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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #41 on: July 12, 2019, 08:59:01 PM »
We were once parked up in a van park when we watch a couple pull up with the van and proceed to get out and let the park operator hope in and take control, and proceed to reverse the van onto site.

I got talking to van owner later where he told me how he has driven trucks all his life and was a current owner driver of a semi trailer. It prompted me to ask why he let the park operator park the van.

His reply was gold,  which went along the lines of, “ why the heck would I try and park it onsite with the wife barking orders at me and the resulting argument. It is easier to let someone else do it for you and you can relax with the first beer in hand and watch”

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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2019, 09:51:21 PM »
I believe that the reason no one wants to have to sit a test to be allowed to tow is because they think they will fail, because to pass your articulated licence you must be able to reverse the combination prime mover and trailer, can't reverse, you fail, lessons aren't cheap either.

When I did my test I had to reverse around two corners and also around parked cars in the street where the test was and I also had to keep the trailer within a certain distance from the kerb, no more than one metre out from the kerb and not less than 30cm from the kerb, both while going around the corner and along the street.

Easier to pass the reversing component of the B double test. Just have to keep it straight for about 30m. That was about 10 years ago, with a highly reputable company, not a fly by night crowd licencing new Australians.

So now I have my BD ticket I must be at the pinnacle of trailer towing skill level :D. Definitely not.!!
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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2019, 07:49:01 AM »
We were once parked up in a van park when we watch a couple pull up with the van and proceed to get out and let the park operator hope in and take control, and proceed to reverse the van onto site.

I got talking to van owner later where he told me how he has driven trucks all his life and was a current owner driver of a semi trailer. It prompted me to ask why he let the park operator park the van.

His reply was gold,  which went along the lines of, “ why the heck would I try and park it onsite with the wife barking orders at me and the resulting argument. It is easier to let someone else do it for you and you can relax with the first beer in hand and watch”
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« Reply #44 on: July 13, 2019, 08:26:08 AM »
I see the occasional "wife" assisted backing of a van at some campsites.....I love watching them......but I've told my wife if she ever gets out of the car and tries the same, I'll drive off and leave her !!    ;D
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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2019, 11:22:49 AM »
Bloke I know upgraded his work ute/tug. This has a reversing camera. He found it useful so installed a rear camera on his wobbly box as well. His good wife was always trying to be his "Eyes and Advisor", without much success. He has not told her about the cameras so she still runs around, flapping her arms while he hitches up or parks the van up.
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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #46 on: July 14, 2019, 05:28:03 PM »
Seen a few people get into trouble with vans on the forecourt of the servo I had for over 20 years. But main point I can see for a, in my opinion, truck license to tow any thing is to learn about weights and securing loads. My two bobs worth
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Re: A View on Australian Towing Laws
« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2019, 02:27:24 PM »
I would still like to have an automotive engineer or similar explain to me the vehicle physics that limit the tow ball weight on my '93 1HZ Diesel Tojo 'tilly to 110 kg!
That's less than a Rav4 which is 140kg. 
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« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2019, 04:00:45 PM »
No a definitive answer but maybe distance from rear axle to ball is much shorter on RAV4 and leverage effect.
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« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2019, 04:14:33 PM »
The exact same vehicle with the '96 release was 250kg!!!
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