Interesting read on electric cars

[prodigyrf]

Went for a drive in a BYD Atto3 recently and with its Lifepo blade battery and the onboard tech it's probably the best bang for buck electric EV/SUV going around. For the battery enthusiast there's no doubt BYD are coming to Oz in a big way but I think we'll personally be transitioning for a fair bit longer-
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11494991/Switzerland-BAN-electric-cars-roads-power-shortages.html

[NZMarkb]

Wasn't really planning on going very far!

Well, No you won't it's an electric car !!   

[2Strokeit]

Just made my way past a bingle involving a hybrid.
5 of the 2 fire crews standing around the open bonnet of the hybrid while the ice dinosaur is already loaded by the towie.
Maybe the resident sparkys could enlighten us if elecktrickery cars have to wait to have the battery disconnected like  when at the panel beaters/mechanics?
Maybe explain the low vs high voltage regs?

[Champin]

I have heard the batteries are notoriously hard to extinguish and could possibly reignite.

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[prodigyrf]

The shift to less dense energy but cheaper LFP battery technology over NMC gave lithium battery resource costing a reprieve but it's all uphill from here-
https://reneweconomy.com.au/lithium-ion-battery-pack-prices-rise-for-first-time-since-2010-hurting-evs-and-storage/
The renewables/EV fan club needs to stop wasting lightweight lithium batteries on stationary grid firming if EV take-up isn't going to hit the affordability wall.

EVs are dear and about to get dearer on that outlook but lets look at that bang for buck BYD Atto3 small/medium SUV extended range priced at $48801 before ORC in Australia. So on that $151USD/kW it's 60kW battery will cost $13500 AUD ex-factory before shipping profit and GST. Not hard to see why replacement batteries for EVs get quoted around $25k plus installed and that junks the car by then.

EVs are not exactly going to be a big hit out in the country particularly with farmers storing diesel on farm-
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-comparisons/1400km-870-mile-ev-v-diesel-challenge-there-was-just-5-between-them-the-results-were-surprising

And if that wasn't enough you might notice the number of Tesla Model3 cars for sale on Carsales has been steadily climbing lately to 530 at present while Tesla discount new ones in China and the US-
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/tesla/model-3/
Welcome to real depreciation for expensive cars again you'd reasonably expect as the FOMO factor subsides.

[prodigyrf]

And once the FOMO fades you're left with real underlying market demand for lux car prices-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/companies/tesla-used-car-price-bubble-pops-weighs-on-new-car-demand/ar-AA15I7gU
All of a sudden there's 720 Teslas for sale on Carsales and 531 of them are Model 3s with predominantly private sellers looking for cash buyers. Welcome to real EV depreciation again which has traditionally been the biggest cost per kilometre. If the repayments were getting on top of you and you were looking for readies in a hurry I'd rather have a hybrid RAV4 than a Model3 for sale.

[Hairs]

Was this in the New car brochure?
Tesla chaos strikes: Long Christmas holiday queues for charging station reveals the harsh reality of owning an electric vehicle in Australia
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11580989/Tesla-owners-waiting-large-queue-charging-station-Wodonga-Victoria-NSW-border.html


You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[NZMarkb]

Was this in the New car brochure?
Tesla chaos strikes: Long Christmas holiday queues for charging station reveals the harsh reality of owning an electric vehicle in Australia
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11580989/Tesla-owners-waiting-large-queue-charging-station-Wodonga-Victoria-NSW-border.html


You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

Oh what a pity 

[Bird]

Was this in the New car brochure?

> with many blasting Australia's lack of electric vehicle infrastructure.

Yea these must be some of the dumbest people on earth.... have they been driving past charging stations every 1klm for 30yrs.... they are everywhere LMAO

[Bird]

cant wait for this to be the norm....

https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/on-the-road/tesla-driver-charged-with-driving-while-asleep/news-story/898f407e885f9348b77eafed3da39cad

[Hairs]

Just my opinion,
This whole electric snake oil salesman sh1t is the biggest scam on Australians.


You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

[NZMarkb]

Just my opinion,
This whole electric snake oil salesman sh1t is the biggest scam on Australians.


You don't use magic to disappear, ya use a 4x4 & Swag.

I couldn't agree more
It's a bubble that has to burst

And don't even get me started on all this carbon credit BS

[HEM19X]

Read the other day that there was a 90 min wait at a charging station....

[Bird]

Read the other day that there was a 90 min wait at a charging station....

Cant wait....
https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/on-the-road/tesla-owners-stuck-in-huge-queue-to-charge-their-cars-in-regional-australia/news-story/f10932fbec445c9cda289f28e7e05b68

[prodigyrf]

I just want to be left alone to do what I want-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2L9dm85Zm0
but trust them they're from the Gummint and they're here to help.

[prodigyrf]

As one poster on a RAV4 forum found-

I popped in to Essendon Toyota (VIC) this morning and was quoted 3 year wait time on a RAV4 Cruiser, with a note that wait times are currently getting worse.

Which is no doubt why this Toyota exec isn't afraid to tell the truth while many are staying quiet-
https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota-boss-says-other-industry-executives-secretly-doubt-the-switch-to-electric-power/

While Tesla are now discounting Toyota should be auctioning their high demand hybrids off the line in order to increase profitability and be able to bid the most for their inputs and get more of them into the hands of consumers quicker-
https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota-australia-mega-pre-delivery-centre/

[Robbo]

No doubt a made up statistic, but could it come true? 

[WilSurf]

Read the other day that there was a 90 min wait at a charging station....

Have you seen the queue when petrol is cheap?
Might not be 90 minutes but sometimes its a long wait

[sparksy]

No doubt a made up statistic, but could it come true? 

That joke used to be about Jeeps.

[Bird]

Have you seen the queue when petrol is cheap?
Might not be 90 minutes but sometimes its a long wait

they dont last for hours

[edz]

O'l mate that has a Tesla 3, took the family on a Brisbane to Cairns and return road trip
Quote :  For those interested, gympie has the last of the Tesla super charger's  North of Brisbane, After that it's the Chargefox network with 50kwh chargers (bout 25 mins to 50 mins depending on what was needed). All up, these took a little longer but the upside is, we got to stop and look around at the towns that we normally blow through.
Wash up for this trip, 4001 kms, 645 kwhs used for a total cost of $161.  Less money handed over to international oil companies and gov taxes, more money spent in regional towns sampling restaurants, beers and gifts. Gotta be happy with that!!!
Must admit 4000 km for $161 in fuel cost isnt something to sneeze at .. So long as " time " is not an issue when having to recharge ... Of course towing would throw everthing out of whack too .

[WilSurf]

In my opinion, at the moment EVs are mainly useful in the city and close surroundings.
If you are using it to drive to your workplace, plug it in, drive home, do some shopping and plug it in again, there shouldn't be any range anxiety as the battery is always charging when not in use.
It is a different habit then with a fossil fuel car as you only fill up when the tank is empty.
The moment you got that mindset, there is no issue.

I can't wait till prices are dropping, our hybrid is due for replacement.

[prodigyrf]

I can't wait till prices are dropping, our hybrid is due for replacement.

I suspect you won't have to wait long as the Tesla Model 3s come off lease and the growing number of private sellers can't move them and the dealers aren't interested for the price-  https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/tesla/model-3/?sort=%7ePrice
That list has grown significantly in the last week and it's only a matter of time before Oz Tesla used cars join their cousins in the US with pricing.

[GeoffA]

I suspect you won't have to wait long as the Tesla Model 3s come off lease and the growing number of private sellers can't move them and the dealers aren't interested for the price-  https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/tesla/model-3/?sort=%7ePrice
That list has grown significantly in the last week and it's only a matter of time before Oz Tesla used cars join their cousins in the US with pricing.

There's a lot to choose from....

[prodigyrf]

There's a lot to choose from....

As Americans are finding waving their hands about-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GT-9_As6qq4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APpCXv67Exw

Same with the batteries for them and why buyers tend to prefer coal fired Chinese manufactured ones for their hard-earned-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/motoring/news/britishvolt-collapse-should-spark-debate-on-whether-it-was-actually-needed/ar-AA16rtKk

Still we did get out of carmaking rather fortuitously leaving Walkinshaw Performance to it while concentrating on mining the new gold like lithium