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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #275 on: March 15, 2019, 11:56:55 AM »
I can just see bird giving everyone on East Link the bird as he flys over on the way to work
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« Reply #276 on: March 15, 2019, 11:59:43 AM »
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #277 on: March 15, 2019, 12:05:52 PM »
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« Reply #278 on: March 15, 2019, 02:13:00 PM »
Looks like a single gunman shooting in Christchuch NZ has killed 27 people at afternoon prayers at a mosque. Pretty graphic footage. :-[ :-[
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« Reply #279 on: March 15, 2019, 03:05:55 PM »
Looks like a single gunman shooting in Christchuch NZ has killed 27 people at afternoon prayers at a mosque. Pretty graphic footage. :-[ :-[
Yes this is shocking Pottsy. Two mosques have been shot up and victims include women and children. Police have picked up four shooters so far and the main instigator is named as an Australian, although not of Australian desent. He apparantly saw NZ as a soft place to carry out these vile acts of terrorism. This will not end well for the Kiwis.


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« Reply #280 on: March 15, 2019, 04:04:14 PM »
Yes this is shocking Pottsy. Two mosques have been shot up and victims include women and children. Police have picked up four shooters so far and the main instigator is named as an Australian, although not of Australian desent. He apparantly saw NZ as a soft place to carry out these vile acts of terrorism. This will not end well for the Kiwis.


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« Reply #281 on: March 15, 2019, 04:42:15 PM »
Even the footage on Sky news sends a shiver down your spine, driving down the road, weapon at the ready, almost as if he was looking for a victim. Footage from a chest mounted GoPro
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #282 on: March 15, 2019, 05:37:32 PM »
A Grafton Man,
A horrible thing, hope his family is not targeted.


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« Reply #283 on: March 15, 2019, 05:41:16 PM »
A Grafton Man,
a friend of a friend went to school with him, reckons he was just a normal guy at school...just been looking at his school year picture on friends facebook page, amazing how much people can change as they grow older. Friend is thinking maybe his mum taught her at school, but she reckons there's a few people with that surname in Grafton.
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« Reply #284 on: March 15, 2019, 05:48:20 PM »
Whats worse now is how one of the senators here is reacting wait till that hits the news

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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #285 on: March 15, 2019, 08:55:18 PM »
Looks like a single gunman shooting in Christchuch NZ has killed 27 people at afternoon prayers at a mosque. Pretty graphic footage. :-[ :-[

49 dead, 48 in hospital.  So very, very sad.

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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #286 on: March 15, 2019, 09:37:46 PM »
Whats worse now is how one of the senators here is reacting wait till that hits the news
So according to him, they brought this on them selves, being Muslim.

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« Reply #287 on: March 15, 2019, 10:12:33 PM »
So according to him, they brought this on them selves, being Muslim.

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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #288 on: March 16, 2019, 07:22:10 AM »
It is interesting to see the outrage and response by non Muslim Australians that someone would do this to people of the Muslim faith.

Yet when the roles are reversed you hear no outrage no outcry by anyone in the Muslim community, they stay silent.


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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #289 on: March 16, 2019, 07:47:52 AM »
It is interesting to see the outrage and response by non Muslim Australians that someone would do this to people of the Muslim faith.

Yet when the roles are reversed you hear no outrage no outcry by anyone in the Muslim community, they stay silent.


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I’m not sure I agree with you. Plenty of Muslims decry violence committed by Muslims. But there are extremes just like Fraser Anning on both sides and the media would much rather focus on the extreme views because that gets clicks and advertsing revenue.
I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, including plenty of Muslims, and they are just people.... i actually think using the word normal people suggests there is such a thing as abnormal people on a grander scale. Certainly individuals may not meet our society’s norms but that is not the same as inferring that a large group of people is abnormal.
Jacinda Adern’s statement “they are us” in reference to the victims is one of the more powerful statements I have heard from a politician in a long time.
The reality is people have disagreed and fought with each other over many things for millenia but when you boil it all down, we are all the same regardless of our religious beliefs, sexuality or favourite footy team. And there will always be those amongst who, for their own perverted reasons, will want to harm us.

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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #290 on: March 16, 2019, 08:38:41 AM »
I’m not sure I agree with you. Plenty of Muslims decry violence committed by Muslims. But there are extremes just like Fraser Anning on both sides and the media would much rather focus on the extreme views because that gets clicks and advertsing revenue.
I work with people from all sorts of backgrounds, including plenty of Muslims, and they are just people.... i actually think using the word normal people suggests there is such a thing as abnormal people on a grander scale. Certainly individuals may not meet our society’s norms but that is not the same as inferring that a large group of people is abnormal.
Jacinda Adern’s statement “they are us” in reference to the victims is one of the more powerful statements I have heard from a politician in a long time.
The reality is people have disagreed and fought with each other over many things for millenia but when you boil it all down, we are all the same regardless of our religious beliefs, sexuality or favourite footy team. And there will always be those amongst who, for their own perverted reasons, will want to harm us.
Jacinta Ardern is of the left of course she would say that.

It’s not what about the media betrays, you can see for yourself on social media the difference in reactions by people.
The only one you ever hear from is Imam Tawhidi and he is disliked by a large portion of the Muslim community.



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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #291 on: March 16, 2019, 09:05:46 AM »
No, Jacinda Adern says it because it is right! F’all to do with what side of politics she is on!

I may never live to see it but maybe one day, all ths left this/right that bullShit will disappear, but i won’t keep my hopes up. Had a bloke come to the door last week campaigning for labour. Told him i wasn’t interested. Him: “Oh so i support the wrong side then”. Me: “no, i’m just not bloody interested in talking you”. Off he walks in a bit of a huff.

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« Reply #292 on: March 16, 2019, 09:20:07 AM »
No, Jacinda Adern says it because it is right! F’all to do with what side of politics she is on!

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« Reply #293 on: March 16, 2019, 09:22:31 AM »
Just read Waleed Aly's commentary from yesterday - in particular, the (paraphrased) comment of "I'm no longer shocked"

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On Friday night, writer and television co-host Waleed Aly spoke on The Project about the mass shootings at two mosques in New Zealand.

The clip has been shared tens of thousands of times and viewed over a million times.

Here is a transcript of what he said.


You’ll have to forgive me, these won’t be my best words. The truth is, I don’t want to be talking today. When I was asked if it was something I wanted to do, I resisted it all day until finally I had this overwhelming sense that it was something in my responsibility to do so and maybe that’s misguided.

But of all the things I could say tonight, that I’m gutted and I’m scared and I feel overcome with utter hopelessness, the most dishonest thing, the most dishonest thing would be to say that I’m shocked. I’m simply not.

There’s nothing about what happened in Christchurch today that shocked me. I wasn’t shocked when six people were shot to death at a mosque in Quebec City two years ago. I wasn’t shocked when a man drove a van into Finsbury Park mosque in London about six months later and I wasn’t shocked when 11 Jews were shot dead in a Pittsburgh synagogue late last year or when nine Christians were killed at a church in Charleston. If we’re honest, we’ll know this has been coming.

I went to the mosque today, I do that every Friday just like the people in those mosques in Christchurch today. I know exactly what those moments before the shooting began would have been like. I know how quiet, how still, how introspective those people would have been before they were suddenly gunned down, how separated from the world they were feeling until the world came in and tore their lives apart.

And I know the people who did this knew well enough how profoundly defenseless their victims were in that moment. This is a congregational prayer that happens every week like clockwork. This was slaughter by appointment. And it’s scary because, like millions of other Muslims, I’m going to keep attending those appointments and it feels like fish in a barrel.

But that isn’t the scariest thing. The thing that scared me most was when I started reading the manifesto that one of the apparent perpetrators of this attack published, not because it was deranged but because it was so familiar. Let me share some quotes with you to show you what I mean.

"The truth is that Islam is not like any other faith. It is the religious equivalent of fascism," or, "The real cause of bloodshed is the migration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate in the first place." Or, "As we read in Matthew 26:52: 'All they that take the sword shall perish by the sword'. And those who follow a violent religion that causes them to murder us cannot be surprised when somebody takes them at their word and responds at kind."

How do those words sound now? Now how do they sound when I tell you that they weren’t part of the manifesto? They were actually published today after this terrorist attack on Australian parliamentary letterhead. And I know they came from someone who I don’t particularly want to name at the moment, who all parties have denounced. I also know that the leader of one of those parties that denounced him once described Islam as a disease Australia needs to vaccinate. And even that party is kind of on the fringes despite some valiant attempts by our media to change that.

But I also know a senior figure in our government once suggested we made a mistake as a country by letting in Lebanese Muslims in the 70s. And I know there are media reports going back eight years at a shadow cabinet meeting in which another senior politician suggested his party should use community concerns about Muslims in Australia failing to integrate as a political strategy. That person is now the most senior politician we have.

So while I appreciate the words our leaders have said today, and in particular Scott Morrison’s comments and his preparedness to call this terrorism and the strength of his comments more generally, I have something to ask. Don’t change your tune now because the terrorism seems to be coming from a white supremacist. If you’ve been talking about being "tough on terrorism" for years in the communities that allegedly support it, show us how tough you are now.

For [me], I’m going to say the same thing I said about four years ago after a horrific Islamist attack. Now, now we come together. Now we understand that this is not a game, terrorism doesn’t choose its victims selectively, that we are one community and that everything we say to try to tear people apart, demonise particular groups, set them against each other, that all has consequences even if we’re not the ones with our fingers on the trigger.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/the-most-dishonest-thing-would-be-to-say-that-i-m-shocked-20190316-p514q2.html

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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #294 on: March 16, 2019, 09:27:04 AM »
It is interesting to see the outrage and response by non Muslim Australians that someone would do this to people of the Muslim faith.

If you are going to start a religious discussion, at least try to get your facts right.

Muslim is not a faith.  Islam is the religion or faith.  A Muslim is a person who follows or practices Islam.

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« Reply #295 on: March 16, 2019, 09:49:10 AM »
It is interesting to see the outrage and response by non Muslim Australians that someone would do this to people of the Muslim faith.
You can't criticize without reservation when it's done by a Muslim and not when it's a non-Muslim without being a hypocrite.

Yet when the roles are reversed you hear no outrage no outcry by anyone in the Muslim community, they stay silent.
I think the media shows what they think will get the most clicks, in this case, we have an actual Member of Parliament publishing a letter on a Government letterhead pretty much blaming Muslims for being shot. The ludicrousness of him finishing off his letter with "those who live by the sword will die by the sword" is breathtakingly stupid, like the kids that were shot were actually living "by the sword" or probably any of the others who were there peacefully going about their day. The extremes are what gets reported, not normally what the majority think.   


Jacinta Ardern is of the left of course she would say that.

It’s not what about the media betrays, you can see for yourself on social media the difference in reactions by people.
The only one you ever hear from is Imam Tawhidi and he is disliked by a large portion of the Muslim community.

How many Muslims do you follow/read on social media, I suspect that would account for the vast majority of what you see in the difference of reactions.

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« Reply #296 on: March 16, 2019, 09:51:48 AM »
The way I see it this, as this cold blooded killer is an  Australian, will be just what the Islamic extremists will use, to give them a reason to bring there hate to us here.

What I would like to know though, as he was streaming his killing spree live, did anyone watching, ring 000 to try to stop him. Anyone watching it live and did not do so, should be charged as an accessory to murder as well.

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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #297 on: March 16, 2019, 10:12:59 AM »
Interestingly this is called mainly by media but also some leaders an act of terrorism, yet other incidents there almost seems to be excuses made for their terrorist actions without calling it terrorism.   

The offenders need to be dealt with according to their actions, not by the state of mind at the time.  These offenders should never see the light of day again. 
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« Reply #298 on: March 16, 2019, 10:33:51 AM »
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The way I see it this, as this cold blooded killer is an  Australian, will be just what the Islamic extremists will use, to give them a reason to bring there hate to us here.

this was my 100% first thought. theres thousands of em here just waiting for the goahead.
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #299 on: March 16, 2019, 11:59:25 AM »

How many Muslims do you follow/read on social media, I suspect that would account for the vast majority of what you see in the difference of reactions.
But it’s not who you follow, you can read comments posted on various articles yourself.
Muslims rarely call out muslims for terrorism related offences. They sit in silence.





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