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Whats making news - 2019 edition
« on: January 03, 2019, 09:26:26 AM »
Setting things up for "this" year ;D
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2019, 09:34:14 AM »
Would be nice to start it off with a nicer post, but ... :'(

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/mother-and-daughter-electrocuted-on-queensland-property/news-story/e6ba75e95033495d00044bb84da813ba

"Police said a family member had attached a cable from an electric fence to the bull bar of a semi-trailer to keep some horses from escaping.

It is believed the truck later became electrified when a battery charger was attached to the vehicle."

How?

Wouldn't a fence only be 12v, while the truck is probably (?) 24v? How do you get a double fatality out of that level of power (& yes, I know it's the amps that kills you, but surely it's all pretty low amperage?)
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2019, 11:56:21 AM »
Im no expert but i would think it would be something to do with the windings of the transformer in the electric fence, small voltage in, large voltage / small current out. Run it backwards and it would probably reverse the process. Im sure an expert will be along soon to clarify /destroy my theory

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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2019, 12:06:43 PM »
Would be nice to start it off with a nicer post, but ... :'(

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/mother-and-daughter-electrocuted-on-queensland-property/news-story/e6ba75e95033495d00044bb84da813ba

"Police said a family member had attached a cable from an electric fence to the bull bar of a semi-trailer to keep some horses from escaping.

It is believed the truck later became electrified when a battery charger was attached to the vehicle."

How?

Wouldn't a fence only be 12v, while the truck is probably (?) 24v? How do you get a double fatality out of that level of power (& yes, I know it's the amps that kills you, but surely it's all pretty low amperage?)


There's a couple of Capacitors in the energisers that take it upto about 7,000V (for example see the Thunderbird website http://www.thunderbird.net.au/solar.htm) so that would go some way to explaining why they got zapped.
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2019, 03:32:21 PM »
You don't use magic to disappear, all you need is a 4wd & a Swag ;)


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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2019, 04:06:04 PM »
Another case of the minority giving the majority a bad name...
https://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/firedup-locals-want-people-to-stop-trashing-the-idyllic-nine-mile-beach/news-story/a7edbb9c9becd2638c14e4c48f66c1a3
sadly it's not a minority....there are a bucket load of clowns out there giving 4wd owners a bad name. Why people think it's ok to leave rubbish around or even crap on the ground and have toilet paper blowing in the wind anywhere is beyond many of us, but you don't have to venture far to see any of that stuff occurring, thus I say it's due to more then a minority.
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2019, 04:25:27 PM »
Another case of the minority giving the majority a bad name...
https://www.news.com.au/travel/australian-holidays/firedup-locals-want-people-to-stop-trashing-the-idyllic-nine-mile-beach/news-story/a7edbb9c9becd2638c14e4c48f66c1a3

Not sure its the minority anymore.
Last few times we went to free bush camps on waterways here they were all trashed. One was on a river, not only rubbish and broken glass everywhere, but the morons also seem to need to cut up everywhere with their 4wds, including the grassed river banks. And we dont have that many waterways here that can be accessed.
Others were on a dam and it was worse. Some did go to the trouble of bagging the rubbish, then chucking it in the bush. And its not just the tourists that do it. The younger locals can be just as bad.

But what really blows me way is on Australia Day they all carry on about Aussie pride. They've got none, just an excuse to get pissed, fight and bad mouth newly arriveds, who probably treat this country better than they do. Its what you do for this country the other 364 days that count.
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2019, 09:18:19 AM »
this'll slow things up... except marshmallows.


Fuel tanker carrying 35,000 litres of fuel on fire in Wollongong



https://www.9news.com.au/national/2019/01/04/09/19/fuel-tanker-carrying-35000-litres-of-fuel-on-fire-wollongong


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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2019, 01:21:35 PM »
Not an ideal start to year unfortunately for one family:
https://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/5835093/horror-on-highway-two-dead-two-injured-in-deadly-crash-update/?cs=12

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SPECIALIST crash investigators are trying to piece together the moments before a horrific accident near Walcha that claimed two lives and saw two others airlifted to hospital.

Emergency services were confronted with what’s been described as absolute carnage on the Oxley Highway near Yarrowitch on Thursday afternoon, after a car towing a caravan rolled about 1.15pm.

Rescuers including police, paramedics and the VRA worked frantically to free a woman trapped in the wreckage, which tragically claimed two other lives.
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2019, 01:26:58 PM »
Not an ideal start to year unfortunately for one family:
https://www.northerndailyleader.com.au/story/5835093/horror-on-highway-two-dead-two-injured-in-deadly-crash-update/?cs=12

depends if it was the long undulating area, or coming out of the windy section... I wouldn't like to be towing on the Oxley through Longflat to Walcha...

On a bike, thats another story..
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2019, 01:39:45 PM »
depends if it was the long undulating area, or coming out of the windy section... I wouldn't like to be towing on the Oxley through Longflat to Walcha...

On a bike, thats another story..


The co pilot has banned me from going down the Oxley to the coast - we've done it once and that was enough... came back that time via Coffs and Dorrigo!
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2019, 01:41:24 PM »
Cry me a river, that's one of the things I hate about van parks, the 'entitled' permanents who think they're above everybody else.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/unhappy-gippsland-campers-face-losing-their-annual-camping-spots-20190103-p50pf8.html
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« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2019, 02:10:03 PM »
Cry me a river, that's one of the things I hate about van parks, the 'entitled' permanents who think they're above everybody else.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/unhappy-gippsland-campers-face-losing-their-annual-camping-spots-20190103-p50pf8.html
gotta agree, it’s public land not a privately owned business....open slather on a set date and first in best dressed I say.....Or maybe......because we did Flinders Beach on Straddie 2 years in a row in the same spot, we should be entitled to have that space every year, that’s a great idea 8)
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2019, 11:03:50 PM »
Our legal fraternity really is a joke

Uber driver unsuspectingly delivers wanted woman to police after she passes out drunk in his car

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/uber-driver-unsuspectingly-delivers-wanted-woman-to-police-after-she-passes-out-drunk-in-his-car-20190104-p50pmh.html

Police opposed Pierce’s bail application in court the next day, noting she had five previous warrants for failing to turn up at court, however Registrar Nicole Hoffman agreed to release Pierce on strict conditional bail given she was unlikely to receive jail time when sentenced.
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2019, 11:07:00 PM »
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noting she had five previous warrants for failing to turn up at court, however Registrar Nicole Hoffman agreed to release Pierce on strict conditional bail given she was unlikely to receive jail time when sentenced.[/i]
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2019, 09:44:38 AM »
gotta agree, it’s public land not a privately owned business....open slather on a set date and first in best dressed I say.....Or maybe......because we did Flinders Beach on Straddie 2 years in a row in the same spot, we should be entitled to have that space every year, that’s a great idea 8)
I agree it should be first in best dressed. Or they could set up a ballot system like they have (or at least had) at Rottnest Island in WA.

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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2019, 10:03:01 AM »
I like that old mate is going to start a petition against the change...
He could probably do it on a post it note and still wouldn’t get enough signatures to fill the page... ;D ;D

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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2019, 10:54:57 AM »
There's a couple of Capacitors in the energisers that take it upto about 7,000V (for example see the Thunderbird website http://www.thunderbird.net.au/solar.htm) so that would go some way to explaining why they got zapped.


The 7,000 volt zap wouldn't be what killed them. As previously stated, it's very low current. It has to be something to do with connecting the Battery Charger to the vehicle, but beats me how or what. Geez, try repairing the old CRT TVs, they used to give up to 25,000V on the EHT line. Been zapped by them a few times too.

On the electric fence controllers, I have modified a couple of the earlier models, so they zap at about 4 to 5 times per second, instead of the once per second, for dog fences. The output spike is then only around 2,000V and is quite easy to hold the fence with bare hands and bare feet. Not real comfortable when you're hot and sweaty though LOL. The reason for modifying them is so that the dog doesn't get a chance to get over the fence without being zapped, which they will do at 1 zap per second. And the 7,000V to 8,000V zap is a bit hefty for a dog.
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2019, 11:09:23 AM »
The 7,000 volt zap wouldn't be what killed them. As previously stated, it's very low current. It has to be something to do with connecting the Battery Charger to the vehicle, but beats me how or what. Geez, try repairing the old CRT TVs, they used to give up to 25,000V on the EHT line. Been zapped by them a few times too.

On the electric fence controllers, I have modified a couple of the earlier models, so they zap at about 4 to 5 times per second, instead of the once per second, for dog fences. The output spike is then only around 2,000V and is quite easy to hold the fence with bare hands and bare feet. Not real comfortable when you're hot and sweaty though LOL. The reason for modifying them is so that the dog doesn't get a chance to get over the fence without being zapped, which they will do at 1 zap per second. And the 7,000V to 8,000V zap is a bit hefty for a dog.

Reading something from (I think) the ABC, it sounded more like there was a bit of unelecrtified fence run from the truck to a tree. I know some stock horses that won't go near a bit hot tape even if it's not hot so this is quite likely. I'm with you, I'm confused as to how it got electrified...
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« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2019, 01:10:19 PM »
I agree it should be first in best dressed. Or they could set up a ballot system like they have (or at least had) at Rottnest Island in WA.

not sure how the ballot systems work for camp sites...
but I can see them being fixed to let 'their' friends have the best sites year in year out too...
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2019, 01:22:51 PM »
The 7,000 volt zap wouldn't be what killed them. As previously stated, it's very low current. It has to be something to do with connecting the Battery Charger to the vehicle, but beats me how or what.

Reading something from (I think) the ABC, it sounded more like there was a bit of unelecrtified fence run from the truck to a tree. I know some stock horses that won't go near a bit hot tape even if it's not hot so this is quite likely. I'm with you, I'm confused as to how it got electrified...

This is what is getting me (although it doesn't help that every time they talk about they change some of the details ???)

They were in a "truck" (then reported as a semi-trailer & shown on the news as a drawing of a ute ???), parked & ran a "cable" (but no idea what sort of cable - fence electrified / fencing wire / 240v extension cord ???) from the (possibly electrified ???) fence to the bull-bar to tie the horses to / keep the horses away from the shed ???. At some later stage a "battery charger" was connected to the truck. Mum & daughter then came back, touched the cable & were both electrocuted. Dad arrived later & he also got a shock. Last night's news then also said that it showed the importance of having "safety switches" on all your power circuits ???

It sounds like the "battery charger" has somehow charged the entire truck, but how could it, unless they've actually somehow connected 240v direct to the battery ??? & what would a "safety switch" (presumably Earth Leakage ???) do ???

None of it makes any sort of sense at all ???

The only thing we know for sure is that two people are dead, which is an undoubted tragedy :'(
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Re: Whats making news - 2019 edition
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2019, 02:31:45 PM »
not sure how the ballot systems work for camp sites...
but I can see them being fixed to let 'their' friends have the best sites year in year out too...
I’m assuming the sites are marked so everyone who wants to go in the draw puts in application for the site & period they want and the winners are drawn at random.
Or just change it like it is here in Qld, sites can only be booked up to 6 months in advance.

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« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2019, 03:03:04 PM »

It sounds like the "battery charger" has somehow charged the entire truck, but how could it, unless they've actually somehow connected 240v direct to the battery ??? & what would a "safety switch" (presumably Earth Leakage ???) do ???


Wondering if the battery charger has been sat in the engine bay and then the bonnet closed.  The 240v lead then wedged and cut between the bonnet and guard or radiator support?

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