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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #25 on: October 05, 2018, 02:47:34 PM »
At one stage, didn't a ferry run, or there was talk of running one, Sydney to Tassie ???
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #26 on: October 05, 2018, 03:45:57 PM »
Hi,
    Yep, late 60s, The Empress of Tasmania. Did  the Sydney/Hobart/Melbourne run. Two nights at sea.
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2018, 06:53:43 PM »
Hi,
    If only we could bypass Melbourne!
An Albury / Devonport ferry was suggested,  but Vic wasn't amused.
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There was a Sydney to Hobart Ferry running up and down on a regular basis.
That was a while ago, it operated similar to the current Ferry out of Melbourne.
Don't think they had enough custom.  And that seemed to sink 'em?  :angel: :angel: :angel:
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #28 on: October 05, 2018, 09:55:53 PM »
There was a Sydney to Hobart Ferry running up and down on a regular basis.
That was a while ago, it operated similar to the current Ferry out of Melbourne.
Don't think they had enough custom.  And that seemed to sink 'em?  :angel: :angel: :angel:

Passenger services between Sydney and Tasmania resumed in 2004 with the Spirit of Tasmania III running to Devonport, but this service ceased in 2006.

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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #29 on: October 05, 2018, 10:07:18 PM »
thought the same years ago now, early 1990s when we visited Tasmania, how to get around Melbourne?
Pretty hard to bypass Melbourne  when the ferry  terminal is just about in the middle of the CBD. You could always fly over it

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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2018, 10:05:55 AM »
Pretty hard to bypass Melbourne  when the ferry  terminal is just about in the middle of the CBD. You could always fly over it

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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #31 on: October 08, 2018, 11:10:50 AM »
And now this from our Labor Candidate. 

FYI. A statement we have put out today.

GOVERNMENTS MUST OBTAIN CONSENSUS ON
BYPASSING COFFS HARBOUR

The two governments need to make the case that this is the right route; with the right design, and with overwhelming public support.

We support the bypassing of Coffs Harbour as soon as possible, but not at any cost to the community, natural environment, heritage or economy.

There’s been a Liberal and National Coalition Government in Sydney since 2011 and since 2013 in Canberra. Both governments should have been ready to start construction in July this year with a consensus route and design.

Instead, they told us in May this year that project won’t start until the 2020/21 financial year. Then we learned it is yet to be finally approved via a “business case” by the Federal Government and that won’t happen until June 2019. Now, we have the ‘no tunnels’ bombshell dropped on the community at the last minute as a done deal. We also know they’ve put forward a preferred design without doing studies on the impact of noise, the natural environment and Aboriginal heritage. Finally, they have researched community attitudes to the project as a part of the justification, but this occurred before the design without tunnels was known. This project has been totally mismanaged.

The governments need to listen to the people of Coffs Harbour and reach consensus on a long-term and sustainable solution to the bypassing of Coffs Harbour. The current design is not socially, environmentally or economically sustainable. It is totally unacceptable with trenches instead of real tunnels.

The route and designs are decisions that shouldn’t be rushed. The current public consultation and Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) process is a tick-box exercise by governments. They are hell bent on railroading this through the Christmas and new year periods in the hope that people will not comment so that they can have some pre-election PR announcements.

The current timetable for consultation should be extended to allow proper and informed discussion. The EIS needs to be based on the consensus route and design. However, that extension should not be used by the governments as an excuse to delay a bypass. The people of the Coffs Harbour region have already waited too long. The state and federal governments need to get on with the job.

The route and design are key aspects this and future generations will have to live with the consequences of every hour of every day for a century. If it takes the community and government a little longer to reach consensus, so be it.

If the governments can’t reach consensus with the people of Coffs Harbour on the current route and design, it falls to them to come up with proposals that do.

We urge the community to attend this Thursday’s meeting at the PCYC at 7 pm where various speakers will give perspectives on the route and design.

MONDAY, 8 OCTOBER 2018


Talk about Populous Politics.  Last week our Labor Candidate was in agreeance with where the proposed route was going, just wanted tunnels not trenches.  This week after many people raised and re-raised the push for a Western Bypass, starting way south of Coffs Harbour from Mailmans Track, South Bonville going West toward Coramba and continue up the Orara Way and reconnecting with the Highway at either Halfway Creek or all the way to Grafton, our Labor Candidate is stating he supports whatever the Community wants. 

Obviously someone with no Testicular Fortitude.  Make a decision and stand by it.     
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« Reply #32 on: October 08, 2018, 12:55:46 PM »
I think time will likely show that all the noise local groups will make will account for nought, the case studies they would have done to asses the best route would have gone into 100x more detail than anyone jumping up and down about it and being the last bit between Sydney and Brisbane means it will happen whether the locals like it or not.

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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #33 on: October 08, 2018, 01:31:01 PM »
I think time will likely show that all the noise local groups will make will account for nought, the case studies they would have done to asses the best route would have gone into 100x more detail than anyone jumping up and down about it and being the last bit between Sydney and Brisbane means it will happen whether the locals like it or not.

Logic should dictate that outcome, but some of the locals here are very special with grand visions
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #34 on: October 08, 2018, 05:26:04 PM »
and being the last bit between Sydney and Brisbane means it will happen whether the locals like it or not.

The Heatherbrae bypass will be the last bit....in another 5 to 10 yrs !!   ???

Like all bypasses, it will be the cheapest option.....complaints from residents will count zero towards the finished product, although they do occasionally listen to constructive ideas....as long as it doesn't cost too much..
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #35 on: October 08, 2018, 06:05:54 PM »
The Heatherbrae bypass will be the last bit....in another 5 to 10 yrs !!   ???

Like all bypasses, it will be the cheapest option.....complaints from residents will count zero towards the finished product, although they do occasionally listen to constructive ideas....as long as it doesn't cost too much..

I can see the RMS will walk away from Coffs Harbour again saying it has a divided dual carriage way and will do the Heatherbrae bypass then maybe come back to Coffs Harbour. 
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #36 on: October 08, 2018, 07:14:12 PM »
I think time will likely show that all the noise local groups will make will account for nought, the case studies they would have done to asses the best route would have gone into 100x more detail than anyone jumping up and down about it and being the last bit between Sydney and Brisbane means it will happen whether the locals like it or not.


The noisey mob in the link below have held high hopes that they would change the governments plans, for a new bridge at Windsor NSW but to date it has come to nought. The news story is from 2017 and the Construction now is well under way but they still sit in the protestors tent thinking they will win.
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/rouse-hill-times/occupy-windsor-bridge-protest-is-longest-in-australian-history/news-story/86ece6baaa1ee97876cf32aacf7ded1d

The protesters web site http://www.cawb.com.au
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2018, 08:16:56 PM »
I can see the RMS will walk away from Coffs Harbour again saying it has a divided dual carriage way and will do the Heatherbrae bypass then maybe come back to Coffs Harbour.

Don't think so mate......they are in the process of installing the $30 million traffic lights as we speak.  Can't see them start on the bypass for at least 5 yrs. If the Coffs bypass has already been contracted out, there will be no stopping it.
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2018, 08:47:07 PM »
Don't think so mate......they are in the process of installing the $30 million traffic lights as we speak.  Can't see them start on the bypass for at least 5 yrs. If the Coffs bypass has already been contracted out, there will be no stopping it.

Nah it's not that far along.  Thanks to a lot of complaining things stalled on the Bypass.  They have moved back to the Community Engagement. 
The Environmental Impact Study EIS still to go, then seek Planning Approval, so still plenty of time to be shelved again.
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2018, 09:07:27 PM »
Nah it's not that far along.  Thanks to a lot of complaining things stalled on the Bypass.  They have moved back to the Community Engagement. 
The Environmental Impact Study EIS still to go, then seek Planning Approval, so still plenty of time to be shelved again.
i know a bloke who is working on the Pennant Hills tunnel atm, he said as soon as they( the company he works for) finished in sydney, the next job they have to do is Coffs tunnels.
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2018, 09:17:32 PM »
i know a bloke who is working on the Pennant Hills tunnel atm, he said as soon as they( the company he works for) finished in sydney, the next job they have to do is Coffs tunnels.

Yep, heard that in about 2007/8 one of the bigger bosses of building the new Highway.  He was buying a place in Coffs Harbour area as he said they had three/four years work in Coffs them keep moving north as they kept building.  Then the Coffs Bypass was shelved thanks to a small group of people that new better. 

They Bypass will get built where the proposed plan is, just when is the question.  If there is somewhere else that has work ready to go, Coffs will wait. 
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2018, 10:06:45 PM »
Yep, heard that in about 2007/8 one of the bigger bosses of building the new Highway.  He was buying a place in Coffs Harbour area as he said they had three/four years work in Coffs them keep moving north as they kept building.  Then the Coffs Bypass was shelved thanks to a small group of people that new better. 

They Bypass will get built where the proposed plan is, just when is the question.  If there is somewhere else that has work ready to go, Coffs will wait.
Doesnt help when you have the " i oppose everything just cause i can" brigade and the " great unwashed" troop screaming at the top of their smelly existance.  :laugh:
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #42 on: October 10, 2018, 08:06:27 PM »
I can live with Coffs. Macksville bypass is great and the Ballina - Grafton section will be awesome.
Did the Ballina-Grafton road the other day and couldn't believe the scale of roadworks happening. it looks like they're building the Westgate bridge too - those pylons are tall.
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #43 on: October 10, 2018, 08:15:48 PM »
Did the Ballina-Grafton road the other day and couldn't believe the scale of roadworks happening. it looks like they're building the Westgate bridge too - those pylons are tall.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsshMwxA570
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Since the first girder was lifted in November, the project team has installed all 144 girders, including transporting 44 of the girders across the bridge at night and lifting 48 from barges in the river.

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« Reply #44 on: October 10, 2018, 08:38:19 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsshMwxA570
Design and construction of a new 1.52 kilometre bridge over the Clarence River, about 30  meters downstream from the existing bridge. The length of the bridge over the Clarence River will span 620 meters, with a vertical clearance above the river of at least 30 metres for marine traffic to pass.
Since the first girder was lifted in November, the project team has installed all 144 girders, including transporting 44 of the girders across the bridge at night and lifting 48 from barges in the river.

Been pretty impressive some of the footage of the build.  Guess we will have the same for the Grafton Bridge. 
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« Reply #45 on: October 11, 2018, 01:52:54 PM »
Was it incrementally constructed?
They did that with the Karuah River bridge, pretty impressive the way they build from the end, and slide it across.
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« Reply #46 on: October 11, 2018, 02:12:26 PM »
Was it incrementally constructed?
They did that with the Karuah River bridge, pretty impressive the way they build from the end, and slide it across.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xavmHF6jYjg
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #47 on: October 11, 2018, 10:17:02 PM »
Went a public meeting this evening organised by the 'Coffs Bypass Action Group'.  Some several hundred in attendance.  Went along okay until they asked for comments from the floor.  While the subject of the whole debate was to the proposed bypass of Coffs Harbour from the floor that was basically dismissed with all but two of us apparently, all voting in favour of a Western Highway Deviation rather then the Proposed Bypass. 

I can see the Black Hill to Heatherbrae M1 to A1 connection being completed before a dozer even gets a chance to be delivered in Coffs.   
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #48 on: October 12, 2018, 05:48:58 AM »


I can see the Black Hill to Heatherbrae M1 to A1 connection being completed before a dozer even gets a chance to be delivered in Coffs.   

If the govt makes up their mind, the vocal locals will be ignored. Even when they complain about something that is bad for the community, when does the govt listen ?
But I do wish the Heatherbrae bypass gets priority........the end of the M1 is a nightmare every friday arvo !!  And they think traffic lights on a major freeway is going to fix it ??  Dreaming !!
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Re: Pacific Highway Bypass of Coffs Harbour
« Reply #49 on: October 12, 2018, 09:03:34 AM »
Been pretty impressive some of the footage of the build.  Guess we will have the same for the Grafton Bridge.

Al, Grafton bridge is a similar construction to the old Bendy Bridge.. No bend but similar river clearance as there is no height requirement.

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