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Re: USA and guns
« Reply #75 on: December 06, 2015, 07:31:16 PM »
On the topic of illigal firearms, where do these come from?

After talking to a local cop some time ago a large percentage ( in this country ) come from stolen legal firearms..
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Re: USA and guns
« Reply #76 on: December 06, 2015, 08:13:57 PM »
On the topic of illigal firearms, where do these come from?

After talking to a local cop some time ago a large percentage ( in this country ) come from stolen legal firearms..

Well the Middle East gangs in Sydney have sub machine guns!  Where are they stolen from in Australia?
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« Reply #77 on: December 06, 2015, 08:14:54 PM »
This is a great article, the NRA got this spot on........so true.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/the-nra-just-slammed-obama-and-hes-furious/


Yep Obama has had 7 yrs and he chooses now to get tough?  Show pony.
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« Reply #78 on: December 06, 2015, 08:17:34 PM »
This is a great article, the NRA got this spot on........so true.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/the-nra-just-slammed-obama-and-hes-furious/


Is anyone else having trouble with the vid link or is it just my typewriter?
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« Reply #79 on: December 06, 2015, 08:23:20 PM »
Is anyone else having trouble with the vid link or is it just my typewriter?

Here it is on youtube, maybe have more luck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHWrhEQG5kI
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« Reply #80 on: December 06, 2015, 08:34:28 PM »
Probably won't make any more sense in that link either.  ???

Locking up a,l the crimes with guns won't prevent a school shooting, or the most recent Christmas party shooting either.

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« Reply #81 on: December 06, 2015, 08:44:25 PM »
This is a great article, the NRA got this spot on........so true.

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/the-nra-just-slammed-obama-and-hes-furious/


Federal Government courage is what made it work here. A bit lacking in the USA. I think the NRA would become very concerned if they actually did a Rudy Giuliani on a federal level. Because stricter gun laws would probably follow.

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« Reply #82 on: December 06, 2015, 08:49:29 PM »
Federal Government courage is what made it work here. A bit lacking in the USA. I think the NRA would become very concerned if they actually did a Rudy Giuliani on a federal level. Because stricter gun laws would probably follow.

The only problem is that the gun buy back here actually did nothing except give lots of us law abiding firearms owners good tax payers money for inanimate objects that can't do anything by themselves.
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« Reply #83 on: December 06, 2015, 09:47:54 PM »
The only problem is that the gun buy back here actually did nothing except give lots of us law abiding firearms owners good tax payers money for inanimate objects that can't do anything by themselves.

I don't buy that. Its the availability of firearms that make it a problem. When kids shoot their siblings by accident, or mentally disturbed people act out their fantasies and commit mass murders, the simple availability of firearms makes it an issue. No guns, no shootings. Much harder to commit mass murders with a knife or pair of scissors.

I grew up in the country hunting and spent my time in the Army as well. In my experience it is bloody near impossible to shoot someone without a firearm or ammunition!

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« Reply #84 on: December 06, 2015, 10:16:48 PM »
The buy back did nothing to reduce illegal firearms in Australia. The buy back was only for firearms that had just been made a prohibited firearm and was a means of compensating legal firearm owners for surrendering their now prohibited firearms.  If your firearm was not one of the prohibited firearms there was no buy back and the firearm was just surrendered with no claim of compensation. 

The big difference between Australia and the USA regarding firearms is the storage of the firearms by the licensed firearm owner, ie firearms safe or secure firearm locker where the firearms are locked up and the key or combination is to be possession of the firearm owner.     
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« Reply #85 on: December 06, 2015, 11:07:03 PM »
(1) Colinbine Syndrome   Ans:? Arm every teacher with a 9mm -  train them how to defend with it..

(2) USA gun-toting society gone mad..       Ans:? The issue is not particularly that it is enshrined in their constitution. ..   its that in the past 200 years guns have become ultra effective and lethal.....

(3) Unsafe society drowning in guns...    Ans:?  A large swathe of thinking "over there" believes a society is 100% more vulnerable - (to attacks on democracy and the rule of law and the dictator State etc) - when its citizens are unarmed --  in favour of the state and political machine being the only ones with the means / weaponry to crush the population; (or some manority therein)...

This thinking and the "right of the individual"... is a huge reason why Republican minded folk mistrust the Fed govt - and want to hang onto their guns and constitutional rights. ...

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« Reply #86 on: December 07, 2015, 03:52:49 AM »
The buy back did nothing to reduce illegal firearms in Australia. The buy back was only for firearms that had just been made a prohibited firearm and was a means of compensating legal firearm owners for surrendering their now prohibited firearms.  If your firearm was not one of the prohibited firearms there was no buy back and the firearm was just surrendered with no claim of compensation. 

The big difference between Australia and the USA regarding firearms is the storage of the firearms by the licensed firearm owner, ie firearms safe or secure firearm locker where the firearms are locked up and the key or combination is to be possession of the firearm owner.  

The big difference is most Australians don't see the need to own a firearm. Not how to store it!

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« Reply #87 on: December 07, 2015, 06:25:53 AM »
I think the gun used in Sydney was one of the guns handed in.

Perhaps the problem is also with our police??

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« Reply #88 on: December 07, 2015, 07:11:21 AM »
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/05/europe/london-tube-stabbings/

England has gun control. attack in London with a knife results in several people injured. If it was in the states there would have been several people shot, and more likely killed. Not only that, the range for a knife is pretty much arms length so you only have to be two metres away to be safe(ish) as opposed to out of line of sight

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« Reply #89 on: December 07, 2015, 07:39:00 AM »
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/05/europe/london-tube-stabbings/

England has gun control. attack in London with a knife results in several people injured. If it was in the states there would have been several people shot, and more likely killed. Not only that, the range for a knife is pretty much arms length so you only have to be two metres away to be safe(ish) as opposed to out of line of sight

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« Reply #90 on: December 07, 2015, 08:23:41 AM »
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/05/europe/london-tube-stabbings/

England has gun control. attack in London with a knife results in several people injured. If it was in the states there would have been several people shot, and more likely killed. Not only that, the range for a knife is pretty much arms length so you only have to be two metres away to be safe(ish) as opposed to out of line of sight

Best argument for gun control


Agreed. Also as anyone who has done hand to hand combat or bayonet assault training will attest, it is physically exhausting to keep going. Most of the population would be knackered after a few minutes at most.

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« Reply #91 on: December 07, 2015, 08:41:51 AM »
This is why guns are out of control in the US. Absolutely insane.
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« Reply #92 on: December 07, 2015, 09:03:44 AM »
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/05/europe/london-tube-stabbings/

England has gun control. attack in London with a knife results in several people injured. If it was in the states there would have been several people shot, and more likely killed. Not only that, the range for a knife is pretty much arms length so you only have to be two metres away to be safe(ish) as opposed to out of line of sight

Best argument for gun control


guess you have never seen a knife used properly, need a bit more then two meters, even if armed with a firearm
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« Reply #93 on: December 07, 2015, 09:08:13 AM »
The big difference is most Australians don't see the need to own a firearm. Not how to store it!

I know a lot that would if not for the current requirements to get a license and permit to own a firearm
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« Reply #94 on: December 07, 2015, 10:58:46 AM »
guess you have never seen a knife used properly, need a bit more then two meters, even if armed with a firearm

Fair enough, but you get the point right?

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Re: USA and guns
« Reply #95 on: December 07, 2015, 11:03:19 AM »
This is why guns are out of control in the US. Absolutely insane.

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« Reply #96 on: December 07, 2015, 11:14:41 AM »
Here is another great video about US's dumb gun policies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9IaXH1M0

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« Reply #97 on: December 07, 2015, 12:16:35 PM »
Hi,
   WAY too many copulative adjectives to watch it right through, but he makes some relevant comparisons.
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« Reply #98 on: December 07, 2015, 12:42:16 PM »
and the incidents that are never covered by main stream media


http://crimeresearch.org/2015/04/uber-driver-in-chicago-stops-mass-public-shooting/
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