Does Racism go both ways?

[evolution]

Perception:
*I'm proud to be black,
*I'm proud to be white,
Which is worse?
Neither and both, its perception based on what society has deemed to be acceptable. And let's face it, it honestly doesn't matter what color your skin is.

Cheers
Evo

[SteveandViv]

Well I work for an Aboriginal Corporation so I see it first hand. We have special exemptions etc so we can hire certain people. The racism is real. The thing is if they want to call me a white C^%T I call them strait back. Got to be here to see how that works though

[Topender]

Only colour on here that matters is...... the colour of your canvass..

Jet

Yep.  Nice discussion so far guys.  I do understand the need to employ indigenous folk and if you look at the bottom of the job add you will see they are an indigenous recruitment company.  Other adds I have seen in the past have had a better way of going about the recruitment process ie) "We strongly encourage indigenous people to apply" or something along those lines.  Most intelligent people can read between the lines of an add like that.  Double standards.

Dave 

[letsgoplaces]

I have worked (on and off) on the APY Lands for 6 of the last ten years and not once have we ever been abused, but we know it happens. A nurse here was told the other day... 'you know whitefellas are like Toyotas. We wear 'em out and then get another one'. I know that's not abusive, as such, but gives an idea of a thought process. This particular nurse is pretty up front with the locals and they do take offence to it. One thing i learned quickly very early on in our time out here is that if you're good to a blackfella they are good back to you, but if you show aggression you get it back times 10.
Having said that, we happily came out here this time with our (then) 2 and 5 year olds for an adventure and experiences money can't buy and haven't looked back. We are back to the big smoke of Adelaide at the end of the year and will look back at our time on The Lands with good memories.

[TOPNDR]

Racism does go both/all ways. It is usually portrayed as whites being racist towards coloured people but is alive and well in most cultures & ethnic groups, and often against whites.

However, I don't see the job advert as racist. I see it as "positive discrimination" in an attempt to equalise the opportunities (long term) for a disadvantaged minority.

[camper48]

yes
you cant call them anything, but they can abuse hell out of you.

I have worked with a lot of people and travelled a fair bit and there is racism in all places and people
do away with the all the departments to do with racism
spend the money on drs hospitals nurses etc
just my opinion

[dazzler]

There was a show on ABC or SBS last night about races changing their appearances.

An Indian women (dots not feathers) was saying that in Asia the whiter you are the higher cast you are and she was using a drug to make herself whiter.  Also Asian people were having their eyelids changed, jaws cut and changed and bone around their eye sockets and cheek removed to give a chiselled appearance.

Get a life people. 

[jetcrew]

I get your point about the job add. And yes in certain dept they specifically say indig only or tick this box.

On the face of it it can seem unfair , but don't forget that prior to this there were bosses who refuse to employ blackfellas no matter how well qualified they were and would give the job to a white fella who was a poorer candidate.

So the govt had to put a stop to this so hence the % rule was introduced and personally I think it was a good idea as you can't tell me there are not good hard working well qualified indig people out there .

As Symon rightly said make no mistake private enterprise will still seek the best as their bottom $$ is on the line.

So I guess if the people who had the power 20 yrs ago  were not discriminating then we would not have needed this mandate today. But that is nothing new as people abuse power the govt writes new laws and policy to overcome the abuse of power.

Prob is that like most ideas they have not revisited the policy in a long time and by not adjusting it they have over adjusted the pendulum and it is now leaning the wrong way.

Same as croc shooting .. Too many crocs so we shoot them , then not enough so we protect them , now too many again so we talk about shooting again and round and round we go.

There would be more deserving black fellas who have missed a job because they are black than those who have been handed one.

But I see your point , but remember change had to happen back then but I think it has happened and the playing field is now level so the policy should be reviewed to really allow indig people to stand as equalls in this great land we all share , govt wants full integration but their policies create division .

That's my breakfast smoko rant over lol

Jet  

[shakey55]

Unfortunately racism in this fine country is definitely a ONE WAY STREET


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[Malcolm Tugless]

Racism ?

Discrimination ?

Whatever it is it goes both ways.

Race, religion, gender and sexual persuasion all have stigmas attached. The viewpoint depends on which side of the divide one stands.

I think most people suffer from it to varying degrees.

Next question.

[RLI]

G'day Lounge Lizards,

Have a look at this for a laugh. lol

https://www.youtube.com/embed/QmhQct1i2Rw

Regards,

RLI

[GraemeL]

Well if you ask me, the government have created racism. 
Why do they always ask what race you are when completing any government forms. Why should one race be entitled to some benefits/help ect and the other not, simply because they are a different race.
What's good for one, should be just as good for the other, regardless of where you were born.

[Andreweasty90]

I don't think it works both way in all honesty, it can go both ways by definition but it doesn't. GraemeL the reason the hospitals and anything medical related ask race is because certain races are more susceptible to certain illnesses due to evolution of our immune systems (eg. Common cold on English settlers vs aboriginals when we first settled Australia) I think there is the good and bad of all types of people and the only thing I'm racist against is dole bludgers they need to bring back conscription I think to fix that problem doesn't matter what colour their skin is 6 months dole payments then no more if you want money here is your uniform and your life for the next 4 years


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[KingBilly]

I'm racist against is dole bludgers they need to bring back conscription I think to fix that problem doesn't matter what colour their skin is 6 months dole payments then no more if you want money here is your uniform and your life for the next 4 years

Hmmm, hope you are never over forty and are made redundant (like so many recently) as, on average, you will be out of work for more than six months.  Is the ADF going to relocate established families?

KB

[Draggin]

I'm with Chippy76 on this one.

Austastar - now there is one case of justifiable discrimination/racism and you happen to pick it.     

Not to mention that I am boat person (parents were anyway), I am white, I am male, I am healthy (touch wood) and I am heterosexual  - damned right there's discrimination and racism set against me. What hope do I have but to go bush and hopefully bump into some of you lot and have the chance to knock the froth off a couple around a campfire - oh did I mention I fish and I hunt and I eat meat 

[RLI]

I'm with Chippy76 on this one.

Austastar - now there is one case of justifiable discrimination/racism and you happen to pick it.     

Not to mention that I am boat person (parents were anyway), I am white, I am male, I am healthy (touch wood) and I am heterosexual  - damned right there's discrimination and racism set against me. What hope do I have but to go bush and hopefully bump into some of you lot and have the chance to knock the froth off a couple around a campfire - oh did I mention I fish and I hunt and I eat meat 

G'day Draggin,

Love the response mate!

Regards,

RLI

[Andreweasty90]

Hmmm, hope you are never over forty and are made redundant (like so many recently) as, on average, you will be out of work for more than six months.  Is the ADF going to relocate established families?

KB

They do relocate families my father was in the army and we had to move a few times Brisbane to Townsville back to Brisbane. Sorry my post wasn't worded properly earlier I was referring to the dole bludgers who haven't worked more then 6 months but just sit on the dole and suck the money out of the government. If I'm over forty and get made redundant then something has gone terribly wrong as it would be my company who has gone belly up


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[Moggy]

Don't care. But if your a black Jew homosexual tranny that's lives in NSW, then don't be askin me for job

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[Brutus]

It is racist simply because it is choosing one race over another.

However, identifying positions for indigenous people is probably a good idea to try and get more employed.

I trained an aboriginal apprentice however he left at the end of year 3 as he was tired of being called a "white maggot f'er" by his community.  Poor bugger was sobbing before he left.  He knew he was screwed.

Apparently that's why AFL umps now wear coloured kits 

Back on topic though,

I don't judge anyone by their colour of skin or which religion they might follow but by how they act and conduct themselves. I have a mate who has aboriginal heritage and slight coloured skin and his nickname is coon and has been all his life. You have to be careful now where you are when you use it to not offend others but surely if my mate is comfy with it that should be good enough? I have another mate with red hair a nicknamed Red, nobody has any issue with that though do they?

I have heard whispers that some companies are now being encouraged to have a percentage of particular heritage employees now on the books. Surely this is not required as the business should hire the best applicant not by their race or religion.

[Beatle]

I reckon racism only goes one way, in any given situation.

I always tick the box on the form:
"White hetrosexual male from an English speaking background".  So that's me and two other blokes in a population of 23 million 

While it's not entirely true (and I'm not saying which sector I don't fit into...), it sure as hell beats the alternatives.  It certainly doesn't worry me if people attack my skin colour, language, or lack of religion, so I count myself damn lucky.  But if I were living in say rural China or Nth Africa, I'm sure I'd feel entirely different.

[bobnrob]

For those who think/believe racism/discrimation only goes 1 way...I wonder how many of you have lived in or close proximity to 'communities'?

I've live(d) in a few areas now with a high concentration of indigenous folks. May I suggest you also try living in the same type of area(s) before forming your opinions   

[oldmate]

Every race on this earth is racist. If it wasn't there would be no wars. It comes down to individual people and how you treat others.

Me, I treat people the same way I get treated by that same person.

[McGirr]

We all bleed the same colour.

Mark

[oldmate]

We all bleed the same colour.

Mark

Exactly mate

[bazt]

I thought only whiteys were racist