The farming situation in Goulburn Valley - possibly changed

[Bird]

The difference is in the timing. One before and the other after an election.

yea just saw that... Nice buying of Tassie votes...

[Barry G]

yea just saw that... Nice buying of Tassie votes...

Exactly, and also buying votes in the coming Tassie state election.

[Bird]

http://www.watoday.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/spc-rejects-government-claims-issues-the-facts-on-workers-allowances-20140204-31ynj.html

[ras]

Never let the facts get in the way of political spin.. The politicians have worked out that if you say something often enough, the voters believe it, even if it is crap..
Ras


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[Bird]

Agenda 21.............

http://www.cecaust.com.au

[chester ver2.0]

Argue politics and whatever all you like at the end of the day it comes down to economics

While ever we have a manufacturing industry run by a union that has driven wages up so high that with overtime and penalties a labourer can earn upwards of 95K in Australia where in other countries same labourer is lucky to make $10 dollars an hour what do you think will happen

[ras]

I would have thought that we would want to keep some industries local for strategic reasons. Maybe I am a bit of a pessimist, but what happens if there is a war some time in the future?

Transport sea routes blocked etc etc...

What do we do? The way things are going we wont be able to feed, clothe or transport anything (except by tram or train), including military. Is this what we want?

Or are we saying that this cant happen any more, since our civilization is so advanced it will last forever, just like the last one.

Ras

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[Bird]

Argue politics and whatever all you like at the end of the day it comes down to economics

your right.. they have spent a lot of money on the upcoming election campaign in Tassie, and there isn't one in the Goulburn valley.

[Barry G]

Argue politics and whatever all you like at the end of the day it comes down to economics

While ever we have a manufacturing industry run by a union that has driven wages up so high that with overtime and penalties a labourer can earn upwards of 95K in Australia where in other countries same labourer is lucky to make $10 dollars an hour what do you think will happen

Who exactly at SPC is making $95k / year?
Or anywhere else in food processing, for that matter.
Similarly in the auto industry or associated parts industry.

No one I know in manufacturing makes that kind of money.  How many hours per week are they working to make that money, in your experience.  Presumably are entitled to pay for working extra hours.  Likewise penalties for working weekends, etc, when their mates are going campin, playing golf, or whatever.

[Beatle]

I don't hear anyone complaining about the wages being paid in the FIFO mining industry.  Why isn't that an issue?

[lino6]

No need to worry too much about farming in the GV, most of it has burnt now.....

Nah thankfully it looks like mostly stubble that has burnt. So the local councils will be pi$$ed, none of the farmers will have to buy a burning off permit this year!

[chester ver2.0]

I don't hear anyone complaining about the wages being paid in the FIFO mining industry.  Why isn't that an issue?

Cause on a 2 and 1 roster you work 3 weeks of every month at 12hrs per day plus an 1hr of travel time each day you dont get paid for that that is 21 days at 12 hrs = 252hrs per month where the average punter on 5 days per week does 160hrs per month if not less if lunch is paid for

Ohh and contrary to popular beleif you are not paid for your week off

So if manufacturing workers are prepared to work 252hrs per month, compress all that in 3 weeks of the month then not get paid for the 4th week then i may have some sympathy for them

[Mrs smith]

Who exactly at SPC is making $95k / year?
Or anywhere else in food processing, for that matter.
Similarly in the auto industry or associated parts industry.

No one I know in manufacturing makes that kind of money.  How many hours per week are they working to make that money, in your experience.  Presumably are entitled to pay for working extra hours.  Likewise penalties for working weekends, etc, when their mates are going campin, playing golf, or whatever.

The figure I heard quoted was 75k add to that payroll tax, loading, holiday, workcover (or what ever it's called this week) sick pay and super and your company costs are getting pretty close to 95k.
$1,500x 48weeks= $72,000 throw in a bit of OT and not hard hit 75k, do you know anyone earning $1500.00 a week ? lol 

[Barry G]

The figure I heard quoted was 75k add to that payroll tax, loading, holiday, workcover (or what ever it's called this week) sick pay and super and your company costs are getting pretty close to 95k.
$1,500x 48weeks= $72,000 throw in a bit of OT and not hard hit 75k, do you know anyone earning $1500.00 a week ? lol

So you confirm my point.  Workers not 'making' $95K at all. 
All employers pay payroll tax, workcover, etc.  Are you suggesting that these are unnecessary / should be cut out, and if so just for manufacturing workers / labourers, oer everyone, including white collar.  Ditto sick leave.
Cutting out superannuation would be madness - as there is no way that future generations could afford to pay for universal pensions.
Do you see superannuation as unreasonable for all, or just 'blue collar' - i.e. revert to what it used to be, 'super' for 'professionals' and blue collar workers could continue to work till 65 and then live on pension.  (Now, with no retirement age, they could just work til they drop.)
Sounds like yet another example of "My income is fair, but the other bloke is greedy".

[chester ver2.0]

No B&B the point being made is that Super, Holiday pay and sick leave are factored into everyone elses package but for some reason manufacturing workers seem to think these should be extras picked up by the company

[Barry G]

No B&B the point being made is that Super, Holiday pay and sick leave are factored into everyone elses package but for some reason manufacturing workers seem to think these should be extras picked up by the company

Employees don't have 'packages' they work for wages / salary.  'Packages' are a relatively new invention, what management level get, to let them minimise tax and to succer those with the option to move off wages. Yes, they can look good, but don't measure up to the 'traditional' method of payment.

[Mrs smith]

So you confirm my point.  Workers not 'making' $95K at all. 
All employers pay payroll tax, workcover, etc.  Are you suggesting that these are unnecessary / should be cut out, and if so just for manufacturing workers / labourers, oer everyone, including white collar.  Ditto sick leave.
Cutting out superannuation would be madness - as there is no way that future generations could afford to pay for universal pensions.
Do you see superannuation as unreasonable for all, or just 'blue collar' - i.e. revert to what it used to be, 'super' for 'professionals' and blue collar workers could continue to work till 65 and then live on pension.  (Now, with no retirement age, they could just work til they drop.)
Sounds like yet another example of "My income is fair, but the other bloke is greedy".

So I'm wondering what makes a process worker or an assembly line worth these dollars ?

There's plenty of hard working laborers out there that don't earn anywhere near that coin while working in dirty unpleasant conditions.   

[Dusty Tracks]

One thing to bear in mind here is that the Federal Government has invested the best part of $1 Billion to upgrade the irrigation infrastructure in the Goulburn Valley - the 'Food Bowl Modernisation Project'. 

There has also been very significant investments from the Victorian Government and the irrigators to provide a world class irrigation system to produce food for Australia and for export - total expenditure on the project when it is finished in a few years will exceed $2 Billion. 

Whilst horticulture is only one of the sectors that relies on the irrigation system, the closure of SPCA is likely to make a large proportion of the orchards in the Goulburn Valley unviable. 

SPCA is a value adder to the food production chain and their presence within the 'Food Bowl' is a key component of the long term strategy for the region.

The Government's unwillingness to support SPCA (based on philosophical reasons) has the potential to undermine all the other initiatives that have been focussing on improving the ability for the Food Bowl to be exactly that - a key food producing region for Australia

[Bird]

One thing to bear in mind here is that the Federal Government has invested the best part of $1 Billion to upgrade the irrigation infrastructure in the Goulburn Valley - the 'Food Bowl Modernisation Project'. 

There has also been very significant investments from the Victorian Government and the irrigators to provide a world class irrigation system to produce food for Australia and for export - total expenditure on the project when it is finished in a few years will exceed $2 Billion. 

Whilst horticulture is only one of the sectors that relies on the irrigation system, the closure of SPCA is likely to make a large proportion of the orchards in the Goulburn Valley unviable. 

SPCA is a value adder to the food production chain and their presence within the 'Food Bowl' is a key component of the long term strategy for the region.

The Government's unwillingness to support SPCA (based on philosophical reasons) has the potential to undermine all the other initiatives that have been focussing on improving the ability for the Food Bowl to be exactly that - a key food producing region for Australia

careful, don't bring logic into politics.


http://www.smh.com.au/business/weve-jobs-enough-for-the-clever-in-healthcare-and-finance-20140211-32g0x.html#comments

[02-SR5]

There's plenty of hard working laborers out there that don't earn anywhere near that coin while working in dirty unpleasant conditions.   


And that is their choice, not mine, or the governments.

It is there choice to not finish school (if that is the case), or go to Uni, or go to tafe and get a trade.

People can get support to go to Uni or tafe to improve their skills, but many don't want to.

This is their choice, so they now have to live with it.

If you want nice things, you have yo get out of your comfort zone, improve your skills and chase work.

I joined the army with the cloths on my back, half a pack of smokes and $12 in my velcro wallet.

Now I have everything I want and need, and then some, all paid by me, and me alone.

I did courses, went to night school, all done by me.

This year, I am going to get my diploma in WH and S. So I can tell idiots to not stick knives in toasters, and get paid $100k plus doing it.
If you are in a dead end job, and complain, you only have yourself to blame.

[Mrs smith]

You shouldn't assume I'm an unhappy labourer, has nothing to do with my employment, and I also didn't see anywhere I complained about my employment. 
I'm simply wondering what makes these people worth so much more than someone on a lesser wage ? using a labourer as an example, at approximately  $15.00 an hour less. Everyone's seen the car assessable line on TV with there air assist lifts only able to one thing on the line rather than maybe walking the the next station to do something else in the process of fitting the car together. I imagine the process line wouldn't be that much different ? Doesn't look particularly difficult or productive given the dollars ?

FWIW. I suggest everyone plants there own fruit trees and send the big companies a message, I also can't see them pulling out until they can package all perishable in plastic, it's the old story about putting all your eggs in the one basket. Sooner or later they be paying a premium for fruit and the circle will start again.

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"This year, I am going to get my diploma in WH and S. So I can tell idiots to not stick knives in toasters, and get paid $100k plus doing it."

Good for you, sounds like your going to make a difference to some numpies future, maybe even saving there life so they can breed.

What pi55es me off is when we all have to go threw the process on the account of the minority and then listen to everyone bagg'n on about how great things are, without considering the real costs and then complain when business goes elsewhere.

[Tractor88]

There's plenty of hard working laborers out there that don't earn anywhere near that coin while working in dirty unpleasant conditions.   


And that is their choice, not mine, or the governments.

It is there choice to not finish school (if that is the case), or go to Uni, or go to tafe and get a trade.

People can get support to go to Uni or tafe to improve their skills, but many don't want to.

This is their choice, so they now have to live with it.

If you want nice things, you have yo get out of your comfort zone, improve your skills and chase work.

I joined the army with the cloths on my back, half a pack of smokes and $12 in my velcro wallet.

Now I have everything I want and need, and then some, all paid by me, and me alone.

I did courses, went to night school, all done by me.

This year, I am going to get my diploma in WH and S. So I can tell idiots to not stick knives in toasters, and get paid $100k plus doing it.
If you are in a dead end job, and complain, you only have yourself to blame.

That's rich.

[02-SR5]

Not really.

Everybody has a choice, and that is one of the great things in this country.

I just get sick of wingers having a winge because they made a choice, didn't get what they want, then blame the system because the bloke next door finished school, went to Uni and got a better job.

Or the bloke that spent 4 years digging trenches, getting the lunches and ends up with a plumbers ticket. Now earning a decent dollar because of his hard work.

We all have a choice, some want to, some don't want to, then complain why they don't have work.

[Bird]

We all have a choice

If only it was that easy... We all have wishes, not everyone has a choice. very generic statement.

[ras]

I like to think that a society is basically judged on how it treats it's most vulnerable people. People fall on hard times for lots of reasons, some of their own doing and some through no fault of their own.