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2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« on: March 25, 2013, 12:53:14 PM »
Hi all, a mate has just ordered a new Ranger and has asked me to help him install his P3. He said he read somewhere there is a plug on the Ranger that you can plug the P3 into. Does anybody know anything about this.

Alternatively can anyone tell me where is the best place to get the brake activation source from? I took it from the rear tail light on my Prado.

I am aware of the need to install the earth below the sensor on the mauin battery earth wire.

Any help much appreciated.

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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2013, 01:14:03 PM »
Apparently nothing under the dash to plug straight into, you have to run the wiring all the way to the back of the vehicle to pick up the brake light. My wife works at Stillwell Ford, she is just waiting for the service guys to get back from lunch and she will confirm this. She told me to ring Hall Towbars here in Adelaide who fit all their brake controllers and they reckon nothing under the dash as well.

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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2013, 02:44:01 PM »
isn't there a brake light power feed in the cabin?

 

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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2013, 03:03:31 PM »
isn't there a brake light power feed in the cabin?

Yes, but like most modern cars, tapping into the brake light feed near the pedal can affect the ABS. The list of cars that they recommend you do not tap into the brake pedal is growing for the P3, and the most common vehicle is Ford.

Whilst you could probably find the feed in the cabin, finding the correct wire is like finding a needle in a hay stack. On the other hand, finding the brake light feed at the rear of the vehicle is simple.

There are more wires fed to the rear of my FG XR6 than a Ranger, but it was still simpler to find the brake light at the rear of the vehicle than perform contortionist acts under the dashboard trying to find the correct wire.

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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2013, 03:04:32 PM »
wasn't there a big thread on this from some auto spark bloke last week or week before?
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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2013, 03:08:35 PM »
Hello Lost, the question posted by the OP is whether there is a socket under the dash, like in Toyotas and Nissans for plugging a brake controller straight into. The other post does have implications insofar as to how you wire the negative up to the battery from the brake controller, but I will leave that for others to comment on (come in spinner, aka Curious)

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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2013, 09:29:57 AM »
Yes, but like most modern cars, tapping into the brake light feed near the pedal can affect the ABS. The list of cars that they recommend you do not tap into the brake pedal is growing for the P3, and the most common vehicle is Ford.

Whilst you could probably find the feed in the cabin, finding the correct wire is like finding a needle in a hay stack. On the other hand, finding the brake light feed at the rear of the vehicle is simple.

There are more wires fed to the rear of my FG XR6 than a Ranger, but it was still simpler to find the brake light at the rear of the vehicle than perform contortionist acts under the dashboard trying to find the correct wire.

Cheers, Marschy

Sorry my post didn't quite make sense. You're right, tapping into the brake pedal switch won't work as this only delivers a pulse to a body control module   
But there's no sense in running a wire all the way to the rear of the vehicle (exposure to risk) when the brake light harness originates within the cabin

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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2013, 09:31:24 AM »
As soon as you find the wire, let others know.

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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2013, 12:25:49 PM »
Thanx for the reply so far guys, but like Marschy said if you know which wire or if/where there is a socket let me know.

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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2013, 02:57:29 PM »
Thanx for the reply so far guys, but like Marschy said if you know which wire or if/where there is a socket let me know.

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Mate, FWIW I would check with your Ford mob about where to connect. They should know.
I have been following this general topic on other forums and there are other issues (with other brands) when tapping into the the brake wire down the back.
Namely, if you use the manual brake lever the stop lights do not work and if on cruise control it don't cancel.
Not compliant with the ADR's I'm told.
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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2013, 11:20:57 AM »
Thanx for the reply so far guys, but like Marschy said if you know which wire or if/where there is a socket let me know.

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IN GENERAL, I'd do this:
Step 1: remove rear tail ight, using test light of multimeter, determine colour code for wire that is feeding brake light.
Locate wiring harenss with ing cabin (under carpet etc) then peel back insulation and intercept brake wire accoring to colour code determined in Step 1

Doing this is standard tradesmans' practice to avoid extra wiring dangling along the chassis.

IN PARTICULAR: For vehicles with ABS/EBD/Stability control and other chassis electroncis that are controlled by vehilce sensors and driver input (such as steering yaw and brake pedal activation) vi a BCM or similar...leave it a dealer who has published procedure :)
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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2013, 11:32:29 AM »
Or run the wire to the brake light at the rear of the vehicle. It works, I know this because I did it in my vehicle.

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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2013, 01:05:13 PM »
Or run the wire to the brake light at the rear of the vehicle. It works, I know this because I did it in my vehicle.

Yes it may work but I wouldn't accept that from a tradesperson

Back to Strider's question... I guess no-one knows about Ranger 'plug and play' he was asking for?

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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2013, 01:30:58 PM »
Tekonsha 'THE MANUFACTURER' suggest doing this for a range of different vehicles, including some Fords.

And the answer is NO Ranger doesn't have plug and play for brake controllers
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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2013, 02:05:03 PM »
Or run the wire to the brake light at the rear of the vehicle. It works, I know this because I did it in my vehicle.

Just curious if you have established that cruise is cancelled and the trailer brake lights illuminate from brake pedal and manual application of the brakes.
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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2013, 02:10:10 PM »
I'll send the missus an email and ask her to pose your question to the service department at Stillwell Ford. She works there


Better yet I'll take my sons PX ranger for a spin and let you know the outcome
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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2013, 02:58:20 PM »
The issue of the handbrake not deactivating the cruise control was the subject of a recall for all 2009-2011 PK Rangers. My sons PX ranger is Feb 2013 build so shouldn't have this problem but will check anyway.
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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2013, 07:08:15 PM »
There is a post on the Ford Forum about this, there is diagram from memory that says you can pick up the power at the brake pedal, fairly sure it was the bottom wire on it but would have to have another look to be sure. It was an internal Ford diagram.

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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2013, 12:14:36 PM »
The stop light wires goes to the stop light switch on the break pedal. This is the instructions from ford. Here is a thread on New Ranger.net showing a diagram.

http://www.newranger.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=138&p=14906#p14906

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« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2013, 12:25:25 PM »
You need to be a registered user on that forum to see posts. Could you maybe copy & paste here for all to see.
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Re: 2013 Ford Ranger fitting of brake controller
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2013, 01:28:57 PM »
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