no ANZAC day holiday next yr

[heath74]

Sorry, but if you don't get a day off tough luck. It's not about you or anyone else who gets the ****s because you don't get a public holiday. Get over it and move on. I served and worked with the military for thirty five years and I have seen how hard those people work and I would rather that just the serving people get a day off.  At least they deserve it.

 
James

James,
At no stage have I complained about not getting a holiday. So no need to apologise, nothing for me to get over, I don't have the ****s and nothing to move on from for me.
Thanks for your service, and thanks to all of those who served.

Ill re phrase my question,

How does having a public holiday on the Monday become any less respectful to our servicemen and women?

[weeds]

Ill re phrase my question,

How does having a public holiday on the Monday become any less respectful to our servicemen and women?

its not........plus it gives you the opportunity to attend a service that you might not normally be able to get to

at times I got frustrated when I was serving, esp. when my grandfather was still alive, that I could not take leave to attend dawn services and watch parades with family member......

[jkwpajero]

James,
At no stage have I complained about not getting a holiday. So no need to apologise, nothing for me to get over, I don't have the ****s and nothing to move on from for me.
Thanks for your service, and thanks to all of those who served.

Ill re phrase my question,

How does having a public holiday on the Monday become any less respectful to our servicemen and women?

Now I have caffeine in my system I shall answer the rephrased question calmly, I hope  . It isn't really, but the point about Anzac Day, in my eyes, is that it's a day of remembrance and commemoration. It should be a work free day only if it falls during the week. Maybe describing it as a public holiday is incorrect, but that is just as some see it I suppose. My last word on the subject.

Regards
James

[BigJules]

Anzac Day as a tradition is undergoing change. For many years it was a time to reflect and remember those who served in WWI and WWII, and also Korea, and wasn't focused on those currently serving.

Then Vietnam happened; an unpopular war fought by those who had volunteered to protect our country from whomever should threaten it and by those picked by the Govt to do a bloody job, fighting a conflict that did not directly threaten our country. But they did it. Because they wanted to or because they had to, and they stood up for their mates. And to our shame they were shunned at subsequent ANZAC marches for many years. As the plight of many veterans became more understood these brave men and women were eventually embraced within the tradition of Anzac Day and I hope feel hugely appreciated when they march or stand or sit on 25 April every year.

We then didn't have any significant conflicts for 15 or so years, other than peace keeping, until the first Gulf War. Then Somalia, East Timor, the second Gulf War, the Balkans, Afghanistan, RAMSI and many other conflicts and peace keeping, aid or humanitarian missions and so today we have many serving members with recent combat experience and also those who have left but saw active duty in those theatres.

And our diggers from WWI & WWII have all passed and so now there is more focus on the more recent veterans, their service and the sacrifices.

I tend to think there should not be an additional public holiday; that is should be only about remembrance. I see too many people for whom ANZAC Day is simply an excuse to drink too much too early and gamble. Who then think of themselves as patriots because they really put in on Anzac Day.

I'll take an appreciate the extra public holiday if it returns, but I would like to see Anzac Day change from a grog fest to become a focus of national identity, where we acknowledge what we have, how it was achieved and maintained and how we can sustain a good and decent society.

"They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them."

[bentnose]

nt legislation. where a public holiday falls on a weekend the following Monday shall be a holiday.
when Anzac day falls during the week m-f that day is the public hol and the following mon is a normal working day or words thereof etc etc.

[muzza01]

I knew when I read this thread yesterday that it had the potential to go "pear shaped". I wasn't offended in any way by what Lost said and I am sure he didn't mean any offence to serving members or anyone else. I too am disappointed that we won't be having a public holiday. That doesn't make me or Lost disrespect the spirit of ANZAC.

ANZAC Day does not belong to current serving or previous members of the ADF. The day belongs to all Australians equally as I am sure we have all lost relatives or friends in war for the preservation of this country or others.

I believe that we should at some stage of the day "Remember". The celebration of the day could be by attending a Dawn service, watching the parade or a visit to the RSL. Others may choose to have a day of rest or even go camping, so what each to their own.

[edz]

Well put Muzz... 

[jkwpajero]

I knew when I read this thread yesterday that it had the potential to go "pear shaped". I wasn't offended in any way by what Lost said and I am sure he didn't mean any offence to serving members or anyone else. I too am disappointed that we won't be having a public holiday. That doesn't make me or Lost disrespect the spirit of ANZAC.

ANZAC Day does not belong to current serving or previous members of the ADF. The day belongs to all Australians equally as I am sure we have all lost relatives or friends in war for the preservation of this country or others.

I believe that we should at some stage of the day "Remember". The celebration of the day could be by attending a Dawn service, watching the parade or a visit to the RSL. Others may choose to have a day of rest or even go camping, so what each to their own.

My very very last comment  . I think we would all agree that due to the service and sacrifice of our men and women in all wars we are blessed to live in a great country and we all are lucky to be able to enjoy all we have in peace. The news bulletins we see each night are proof of it. The lyrics to "God Bless Australia" sum it up for me and it is one of the songs proposed for our national anthem. It is sung to the slow tune of Waltzing Matilda.  It got knocked back due the the religious reference. 

 GOD BLESS AUSTRALIA

Here in this God given land of ours, Australia
This proud possession, our own piece of earth
That was built by our fathers who pioneered our heritage
Here in Australia, the land of our birth

Chorus
God bless Australia, our land Australia
Home of the Anzacs, the strong and the free
It's our homeland, our own land, to cherish for eternity
God bless Australia, the land of the free

Chorus

Here in Australia we treasure love and liberty
Our way of life, all for one, one for all
With a peace loving grace, but should danger ever threaten us
Let the world know, we will answer the call

Chorus (End)

Regards
James

[jetcrew]

I knew when I read this thread yesterday that it had the potential to go "pear shaped". I wasn't offended in any way by what Lost said and I am sure he didn't mean any offence to serving members or anyone else. I too am disappointed that we won't be having a public holiday. That doesn't make me or Lost disrespect the spirit of ANZAC.

ANZAC Day does not belong to current serving or previous members of the ADF. The day belongs to all Australians equally as I am sure we have all lost relatives or friends in war for the preservation of this country or others.

I believe that we should at some stage of the day "Remember". The celebration of the day could be by attending a Dawn service, watching the parade or a visit to the RSL. Others may choose to have a day of rest or even go camping, so what each to their own.

Well said.....

unless your an Anzac get off the pedestal  ...  Just because you have or are serving, the day and passing judgement on it does not belong to you. 

I would like a holiday on the Monday .. that does not make me any less, or mean I lack respect.

This is about remembering, how or where you choose to do that matters not.... Just that you have ....

to suggest that people don't have respect because they want the public holiday to be recognised is just plain silly.

Jet

 

[oldmate]

I knew when I read this thread yesterday that it had the potential to go "pear shaped". I wasn't offended in any way by what Lost said and I am sure he didn't mean any offence to serving members or anyone else. I too am disappointed that we won't be having a public holiday. That doesn't make me or Lost disrespect the spirit of ANZAC.

ANZAC Day does not belong to current serving or previous members of the ADF. The day belongs to all Australians equally as I am sure we have all lost relatives or friends in war for the preservation of this country or others.

I believe that we should at some stage of the day "Remember". The celebration of the day could be by attending a Dawn service, watching the parade or a visit to the RSL. Others may choose to have a day of rest or even go camping, so what each to their own.

x2

[Swannie]

To all, this was always going to end up as an emotive topic. Lets all agree that regardless of holidays, the day of the week it falls, whether you are past or present serving that we all take the time and reflect on what a great country we call home. Everybody deals differently to the day but collectively its a day of respect.

Swannie

[jkwpajero]

To all, this was always going to end up as an emotive topic. Lets all agree that regardless of holidays, the day of the week it falls, whether you are past or present serving that we all take the time and reflect on what a great country we call home. Everybody deals differently to the day but collectively its a day of respect.

Swannie

Well said, and on that note we should end the conversation.

  to all
James

[oldmate]

To all, this was always going to end up as an emotive topic. Lets all agree that regardless of holidays, the day of the week it falls, whether you are past or present serving that we all take the time and reflect on what a great country we call home. Everybody deals differently to the day but collectively its a day of respect.

Swannie

Agreed, pretty much what muzza was saying also

[Swannie]

Agreed, pretty much what muzza was saying also

Yep missed your post Muzza, sorry mate.

Swannie

[Bird]

Well said.....

unless your an Anzac get off the pedestal  ...  Just because you have or are serving, the day and passing judgement on it does not belong to you. 

I would like a holiday on the Monday .. that does not make me any less, or mean I lack respect.

This is about remembering, how or where you choose to do that matters not.... Just that you have ....

to suggest that people don't have respect because they want the public holiday to be recognised is just plain silly.

Jet

 

Bingo.

[bentnose]

hey jkwpajero
I remember the abc used to play that at the end of transmission every night and your right it was in the running for our national anthem but the word god got in the way. when it finished the colored bars would come on the tv screen with a continuous humming sound.
just sung it in my head a few times and your also right about it being sung to waltzing matilda

[Topender]

I knew when I read this thread yesterday that it had the potential to go "pear shaped". I wasn't offended in any way by what Lost said and I am sure he didn't mean any offence to serving members or anyone else. I too am disappointed that we won't be having a public holiday. That doesn't make me or Lost disrespect the spirit of ANZAC.

ANZAC Day does not belong to current serving or previous members of the ADF. The day belongs to all Australians equally as I am sure we have all lost relatives or friends in war for the preservation of this country or others.

I believe that we should at some stage of the day "Remember". The celebration of the day could be by attending a Dawn service, watching the parade or a visit to the RSL. Others may choose to have a day of rest or even go camping, so what each to their own.

Well said.........and if you really want a public holiday why not come over here to WA.    http://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/labour-relations/public-holidays-western-australia