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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #200 on: May 17, 2019, 06:14:58 PM »
Looking forward to watching this new TCR series. May well give the Supercars a bit of a shake up I think


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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #201 on: May 17, 2019, 07:40:52 PM »
Looking forward to watching this new TCR series. May well give the Supercars a bit of a shake up I think


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Nope, won't happen. Been tried before and the Aussie public still want the V8's.

But, for it to work, they need to have it as an undercard to the Supercars. Can't expect to draw a big crowd to a weekend of TCR and some other rubbish event..
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #202 on: June 16, 2019, 12:03:49 PM »
G'day ,

You honestly can not say that there is Parity in this years supercars .

Out of 24 cars , there are 6 so called Mustangs , 4 Nissans  and 14 Holdens .

Top 10 shootout today- 6 mustangs , 1 Nissan and 3 Holdens . ??? ??? ??? ???
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #203 on: June 16, 2019, 12:12:05 PM »
G'day ,

You honestly can not say that there is Parity in this years supercars .

Out of 24 cars , there are 6 so called Mustangs , 4 Nissans  and 14 Holdens .

Top 10 shootout today- 6 mustangs , 1 Nissan and 3 Holdens . ??? ??? ??? ???

Forget the top ten, just look at podiums.   
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #204 on: June 16, 2019, 12:33:44 PM »
You want draw cards ... BRING back the Stadium trucks .. and Aussie race cars  to fill the slots
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #205 on: June 16, 2019, 01:13:07 PM »
G'day ,

You honestly can not say that there is Parity in this years supercars .

Out of 24 cars , there are 6 so called Mustangs , 4 Nissans  and 14 Holdens .

Top 10 shootout today- 6 mustangs , 1 Nissan and 3 Holdens . ??? ??? ??? ???
That might be the case if 888 were directly behind the 6 Mustangs, but they're nowhere to be seen with massive set up issues.  Customer 888 team outqualifing them and Erebus have no dramas out pacing the Tickford Mustangs.

Having been to the Erebus workshop and seeing their very small resources.  Their pace is nothing short of impressive.

The only parity issue is Scotty Mac.  He's in a league of his own at the moment.

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #206 on: June 16, 2019, 01:15:11 PM »
You want draw cards ... BRING back the Stadium trucks .. and Aussie race cars  to fill the slots
Cams banned the stadium trucks, apparently because they're dangerous...

Yet these stupid 'Superutes' end up on their roof in every race and Cams don't bat an eyelid....

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #207 on: June 16, 2019, 01:45:48 PM »
G'day ,

You honestly can not say that there is Parity in this years supercars .

Out of 24 cars , there are 6 so called Mustangs , 4 Nissans  and 14 Holdens .

Top 10 shootout today- 6 mustangs , 1 Nissan and 3 Holdens . ??? ??? ??? ???

Looks fine to me, duggie.... ;D ;D
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« Reply #208 on: June 16, 2019, 01:59:55 PM »
Looks fine to me, duggie.... ;D ;D

You want to borrow my glasses Geoff , I think you may be getting a little poor of sight .  ;D
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #209 on: June 16, 2019, 04:54:41 PM »
Race Results as of today, Race 16 16-6-2019.   Coloured for a visual effect, Holden, Nissan and Ford to indicate the Podium place getters. 


Car  Driver                            Make        R1    R2    R3    R4    R5    R6    R7    R8   R9   R10  R11  R12  R13  R14  R15  R16

2     Scott Pye                       Holden      NC   17    13    14    06    11    12    08    08    15   16    NC    10    08    10    19   
3     Garry Jacobson               Nissan      19    22    21    24   19     17    24    NC   19    19   19    19     21   18    14     24
4     Jack Smith                      Holden     =      =    =     =     =      =     23     24    =     =    =     =      24    21   20     25
5     Lee Holdsworth                Ford        21    11    09    12    12    09    13    09    15    14    09    09    22   05    06     07
6     Cameron Waters              Ford        22    02    03    03    NC    04    11    11    NC    06   08    03    11    06    04    04
7     Andre Heimgartner         Nissan      13    13    15    18    09    14    18    17    03    13    17    23    08    11    16    11
8     Nick Percat                     Holden     07    05    14    15    08    10    08    07    09    10    07    10    07    09    13    15
9     David Reynolds               Holden     08    09    10    07    04    08    06    03    04    11    10    06    03    04    03    02
12   Fabian Coulthard             Ford         06    20    02    05    05    15    02   02    02    01    01    04    15    02    07    03   
14   Tim Slade                       Holden     17    04    06    08    03    07    07    12    17    09    11    11    13    12    NC    18
15   Rick Kelly                        Nissan     11    24    22    16    16    19    17    15    07    08    15    20    14    NC    21    16
17   Scott McLaughlin              Ford        01    01    01    01    NC    01    01    04    01    02    02    01    01    01    01    01
18   Mark Winterbottom           Holden    09    06    12    11    13    06    04    06    21    17    18    15    09    22    17    12
19   Jack Le Brocq                   Holden     20    21    20    20    15    23    22    22    20    20    20    22    20    20    NC    21
21   Macauley Jones                Holden     =     23    19    22    20    NC    20    20    18    21    24    17    16    16    22    22
22   James Courtney               Holden     10    12    07    09    07    16    05    13    22    24    25    16    04    13    09    14   
23   Will Davison                    Ford         04    08    04    06    10    05    19    14    10    04    06    08    12    NC    12    09       
33   Stanaway/Pither              Holden     18    18    17    21    DSQ 20    16    19    14    23    22    21    25    14    15    23
34   James Golding                 Holden     14    19    16    23    18    18    15    16    13    22    14    13    17    19    NC    17
35   Todd Hazelwood              Holden     12    10    23    17    14    13    14    18    11    16    23    14    19    15    18    13     
55    Chaz Mostert                  Ford        05    15    05    02    01    02    10    10    05    05    03    NC    02    10    02    06
77   Tim Blanchard                 Holden     =     =      =     =     =      =     =      =     =     =     21    18    =      =     =      =
78   Simona De Silestro          Nissan      15    16    18    19    17    21    21    21    16    18    12    12    23    23    19    20
88   Jamie Whincup                Holden      02    07    08    04    02    03    25    05    NC    12    04    02    06    03    05    05   
97   Shane van Gisbergen       Holden      03    03   NC    10    21    22    03    01    06    07    05    05    05    07    08    10
99   Anton de Pasquale           Holden      16    14    11    13    11    12    09    23    12    03    13    07    18    17    11    08

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #210 on: June 16, 2019, 05:23:33 PM »

Just playing around.  Scotty has definitely matured over last year as a driver and now with Penske adding his vast knowledge and know how to the Team, Scotty is on another level.  But if we take Scotty out of the results what does the podium look like? 


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2     Scott Pye                       Holden      NC   17    13    14    06    11    12    08    08    15   16    NC    10    08    10    19   
3     Garry Jacobson               Nissan      19    22    21    24   19     17    24    NC   19    19   19    19     21   18    14     24
4     Jack Smith                      Holden     =      =    =     =     =      =     23     24    =     =    =     =      24    21   20     25
5     Lee Holdsworth                Ford        21    11    09    12    12    09    13    09    15    14    09    09    22   05    06     07
6     Cameron Waters              Ford        22    02    03    03    NC    04    11    11    NC    06   08    03    11    06    04    04
7     Andre Heimgartner         Nissan      13    13    15    18    09    14    18    17    03    13    17    23    08    11    16    11
8     Nick Percat                     Holden     07    05    14    15    08    10    08    07    09    10    07    10    07    09    13    15
9     David Reynolds               Holden     08    09    10    07    04    08    06    03    04    11    10    06    03    04    03    02
12   Fabian Coulthard             Ford         06    20    02    05    05    15    02   02    02    01    01    04    15    02    07    03   
14   Tim Slade                       Holden     17    04    06    08    03    07    07    12    17    09    11    11    13    12    NC    18
15   Rick Kelly                        Nissan     11    24    22    16    16    19    17    15    07    08    15    20    14    NC    21    16
17   Scott McLaughlin              Ford           01    01    01    01    NC    01    01    04    01    02    02    01    01    01    01    01
18   Mark Winterbottom           Holden    09    06    12    11    13    06    04    06    21    17    18    15    09    22    17    12
19   Jack Le Brocq                   Holden     20    21    20    20    15    23    22    22    20    20    20    22    20    20    NC    21
21   Macauley Jones                Holden     =     23    19    22    20    NC    20    20    18    21    24    17    16    16    22    22
22   James Courtney               Holden     10    12    07    09    07    16    05    13    22    24    25    16    04    13    09    14   
23   Will Davison                    Ford         04    08    04    06    10    05    19    14    10    04    06    08    12    NC    12    09       
33   Stanaway/Pither              Holden     18    18    17    21    DSQ 20    16    19    14    23    22    21    25    14    15    23
34   James Golding                 Holden     14    19    16    23    18    18    15    16    13    22    14    13    17    19    NC    17
35   Todd Hazelwood              Holden     12    10    23    17    14    13    14    18    11    16    23    14    19    15    18    13     
55    Chaz Mostert                  Ford        05    15    05    02    01    02    10    10    05    05    03    NC    02    10    02    06
77   Tim Blanchard                 Holden     =     =      =     =     =      =     =      =     =     =     21    18    =      =     =      =
78   Simona De Silestro          Nissan      15    16    18    19    17    21    21    21    16    18    12    12    23    23    19    20
88   Jamie Whincup                Holden      02    07    08    04    02    03    25    05    NC    12    04    02    06    03    05    05   
97   Shane van Gisbergen       Holden      03    03   NC    10    21    22    03    01    06    07    05    05    05    07    08    10
99   Anton de Pasquale           Holden      16    14    11    13    11    12    09    23    12    03    13    07    18    17    11    08
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #211 on: June 16, 2019, 05:32:40 PM »
So the Erobus team with their comparatively smaller budget running Holdens have a car running 3rd in the championship? and all of the triple8 Holdens have been posting higher top speeds than every Ford? In my opinion that speaks volumes about the set up problems the Holden teams are having.
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« Reply #212 on: June 16, 2019, 08:28:44 PM »
You want to borrow my glasses Geoff , I think you may be getting a little poor of sight .  ;D

No thanks duggie. Yours are tinted the wrong colour for me.... ;D

........Erebus have no dramas out pacing the Tickford Mustangs.....

So the Erobus team with their comparatively smaller budget running Holdens have a car running 3rd in the championship? and all of the triple8 Holdens have been posting higher top speeds than every Ford? In my opinion that speaks volumes about the set up problems the Holden teams are having.

Yep. The pace of the Erebus cars dispels any parity argument....IMO....
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« Reply #213 on: June 16, 2019, 08:51:06 PM »
No thanks duggie. Yours are tinted the wrong colour for me.... ;D

Yep. The pace of the Erebus cars dispels any parity argument....IMO....

Scott McLaughlin    14 Podiums
Fabian Coulthard      8 Podiums
Chaz Mostert            6 Podiums
Cameron Waters       4 Podiums

                             32 Podiums from 6 Fords

Jamie Whincup         5 Podiums
David Reynolds         4 Podiums
Shane van Gisbergen 4 Podiums
Anton de Pasquale     1 Podium
Tim Slade                 1 Podium

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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #214 on: June 16, 2019, 09:05:23 PM »
Scott McLaughlin    14 Podiums
Fabian Coulthard      8 Podiums
Chaz Mostert            6 Podiums
Cameron Waters       4 Podiums

                             32 Podiums from 6 Fords

Jamie Whincup         5 Podiums
David Reynolds         4 Podiums
Shane van Gisbergen 4 Podiums
Anton de Pasquale     1 Podium
Tim Slade                 1 Podium

                              15 Podiums from 16 Holdens

Andre Heimgartner    1 Podium

                                1 Podium for 4 Nissans

What's the issue? 888's results (from 2 cars) are pretty much the same as Tickford's (from 4 cars).
DJRTP have their act together at the moment and are dominating, just as 888 have done for many years (just not this year).

Look at the last few rounds. Erebus have been steadily improving through the year, and Reynolds is now at the pointy end. If one driver can do it consistently, it's unlikely to be a parity issue.

I suspect Reynolds is very good at car setup. FPR were going very well until they dumped him, but dropped off markedly without him. Seems he's got a handle on the situation. The others will too, eventually....
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« Reply #215 on: June 16, 2019, 09:10:04 PM »
So the Erobus team with their comparatively smaller budget running Holdens have a car running 3rd in the championship? and all of the triple8 Holdens have been posting higher top speeds than every Ford? In my opinion that speaks volumes about the set up problems the Holden teams are having.


Yep the Holdens may be a little bit quicker in a straight line , this would be due to the increased down force that the Mustangs have built into their body shape . If you look at the rear of the Mustang , they have a wing built into their boot as well as the race wing above .
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Re: Supercars 2019
« Reply #216 on: June 16, 2019, 11:05:46 PM »
What's the issue? 888's results (from 2 cars) are pretty much the same as Tickford's (from 4 cars).
DJRTP have their act together at the moment and are dominating, just as 888 have done for many years (just not this year).

Look at the last few rounds. Erebus have been steadily improving through the year, and Reynolds is now at the pointy end. If one driver can do it consistently, it's unlikely to be a parity issue.

I suspect Reynolds is very good at car setup. FPR were going very well until they dumped him, but dropped off markedly without him. Seems he's got a handle on the situation. The others will too, eventually....

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Scott McLaughlin           1      1        2        3        8        5       10
Fabian Coulthard           2      9        3        12      7         8       6

David Reynolds             3      5        7        16      3         15      9
Chaz Mostert                4      6        5         7       11       7       17
Shane van Gisbergen     5      2       4         1       4         2       5
Jamie Whincup              6      3       1         2       5         1       1

Cameron Waters            7     16      8        19      32       42      -
Nick Percat                    8     10     19       18      22       12      33
Will Davison                  9     15     15        5       15        14      3
Lee Holdsworth             10    21     16       24      14        20     20


No issues.  DJRTP are having a blinder of year.  As are Erebus with Anton starting to perform as well.  T888 seems to be having continued various issues this year.  For all six Mustangs to be performing so well, even by some drivers that their prior Championship record and performs this year can be described as inconsistent, goes to show what a good package the Ford is. 

As I have said previously here Supercars are that far behind the times with it's Car of the Future',  they are now being forced to play catch up with the Penkse Mustang.  It will be interesting to see what happens over the 'off' season.   
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« Reply #217 on: June 17, 2019, 03:34:14 AM »
It was okay when Holdens were six outta the top ten cars in previous years and Fords were struggling.  ::) ???

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« Reply #218 on: June 17, 2019, 07:00:24 AM »
I suspect we'll soon be seeing a Camaro based body style for replace the Commodores?

Dont forget that 888 pretty much dominated the field in the same style as DJRTP are doing now, until about the time that Ludo Lacroix moved from Holden to Ford.
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« Reply #219 on: June 17, 2019, 08:15:05 AM »
I suspect we'll soon be seeing a Camaro based body style for replace the Commodores?

Dont forget that 888 pretty much dominated the field in the same style as DJRTP are doing now, until about the time that Ludo Lacroix moved from Holden to Ford.

Camero body will just not fit over the frame of the Car of the Future without raising it by 150mm.  Effectively end up with a mashed up vehicle that looks worse then the Mustang does now compared to what the actual real vehicle looks like. 
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« Reply #220 on: June 17, 2019, 08:27:31 AM »
It was okay when Holdens were six outta the top ten cars in previous years and Fords were struggling.  ::) ???

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And parity was applied pretty quickly.  Which team or when did/has a Holden driver or team have the same success rate DJRTP is having now?   Yes Scotty has improved but the biggest improvement was the injection by Penske in delivering the Mustang.  If not for the Mustang there are some names in the top ten that probably would still be back mid pack. 

It will be interesting to see what Supercars do over the off season and just what changes they will make to the Car of the Future.2. 
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« Reply #221 on: June 17, 2019, 09:08:38 AM »


And parity was applied pretty quickly.

When was the last time we saw a mid season parity adjustment?  Let alone 3.
Last I can recall is 2003. When the AU got a splitter extension.  Pointless given all the teams capable of winning races were in BA's.


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I liked the old days when they didn't know how to spell parity. The minis use to pass everyone in the corners and the mustangs and camaros would take them on the straight.
Was exciting racing.

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Was exciting racing.
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« Reply #224 on: June 17, 2019, 02:54:26 PM »
I liked the old days when they didn't know how to spell parity. The minis use to pass everyone in the corners and the mustangs and camaros would take them on the straight.
Was exciting racing.

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Agree, now they have to run one makers engine block and suspension
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